Seriously. From the New York Times, via the Huffington Post:
[I]n the interview, Mr. Lieberman said that he grew apprehensive when a formal proposal began to take shape. [...]
And he said he was particularly troubled by the overly enthusiastic reaction to the proposal by some liberals, including Representative Anthony Weiner, Democrat of New York, who champions a fully government-run health care system.
“Congressman Weiner made a comment that Medicare-buy in is better than a public option, it’s the beginning of a road to single-payer,” Mr. Lieberman said. “Jacob Hacker, who’s a Yale professor who is actually the man who created the public option, said, ‘This is a dream. This is better than a public option. This is a giant step.’”
As HuffPo’s Rachel Weiner notes, this goes a long way toward validating the belief in progressive blogger circles that Lieberman, as the Washington Post‘s Ezra Klein put it, “seems primarily motivated by torturing liberals.”
Speaking of tortured, look at the logic behind his attempt to reconcile his previous warm support for Medicare expansion with his current petulant rejection of it (h/t Daily Kos’ BarbinMD):
Stuck in a corner, he offered two explanations. (1) He first said that it appeared like his September comments referred back to his endorsement of the Medicare buy-in 2000, when he was running as the vice-presidential candidate on the Al Gore ticket. (Nevermind that the Post interview was conducted clearly in the context of the current health-care debate.) And (2) he argued that the comments were made before the Senate Finance Committee had introduced its reform bill, which grants generous insurance subsidies to folks aged 55 to 64. (Nevermind that the Senate HELP bill, which passed earlier in the summer, contained similar subsidies and everyone knew that the Finance bill would follow suit.)
Did any of that make sense to you? Do you think that justifies his rewriting the bill to insurance-industry specifications? Do you think this justifies his creating “LieberCare”? Me neither.
As BarbinMD says, he really needs to pick an excuse and stick with it, or else he sounds like the unprincipled opportunist that he is. But it may already be too late: When not even Howard Fineman believes what he says on this, it’s hard to see anyone else falling for this nonsense.
Just call him Senator Hissyfit.



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Ok, freak out. Harkins will put his progressive credentials up against anyone’s” And he’s goin for the bill.
Here, send a message to traitor Joe Lieberman demanding he help enact a strong single payer public option into law.
http://bit.ly/traitorjoe
Don’t give this another thought. Lieberman killed the Senate bill and anyone standing close to him.
We (the base of the Democratic Party) have left the building.
Dayam, Raven
Ya beat me to it.
The kicker is the “don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good” crapola.
I got news, Senator, we would not buying a modest home on a good foundation, this is a ramshackle outhouse on a Superfund Site.
The ONLY way his argument could hold water is if the Individual Mandate is stripped out.
Geh.
At least Rachel isn’t really letting him get away with some things…
FunnyWheelieDiva
But we shouldn’t! Tom Harkin is begging us!!!
FWDiva
Ok, this is pathetic.
Somebody pull the Kool-Aid IV outta his arm…
Whooo, dogies, gotta get outta here again…
FWDiva
There’s a mighty judgment coming
but I could be wrong
L Cohen
Screw Tom Harkin.
These idiots need to be replaced.
Perhaps a real freakout will ensue when and if big brother, in this case democrats, oh the irony, try to force me to buy health insurance that offers , as Dean says, 27% off the top for profits on misery and million dollar bonuses to the execs.
The state can make you buy auto insurance or you can’t drive and auto insurance protects others. What is the gummit going to do to me? Fine me? Suppose I and a million others won’t pay. I don’t know what the fine print says. Maybe waterboarding?
send you to the Nam?
He’s being hammered by Rahm and the White House: “If we don’t get this bill we’ll LOOOOSE next year like we lost in ’94!” Of course, what Rahm’s not saying is that Rahm’s pushing the NAFTA sellout that demoralized the Dem base (and the GOP’s successful demagouging of the tax hike that wound up starting the Clinton Boom) had a lot more to do with 1994 than not passing a joke of a “reform” bill.
The real question is whether or not Michelle is ready to return to Chicago four years early.
yea, it just seems like the end is near. . .again
His Hissyfitness has been so blatant about it that even Howard Fineman — who as a Villager in Good Standing is not supposed to notice such things — had to comment on it.
I’m thinking Joe was only for healthcare when there was no chance it would pass.
Hell, from the figures I have, I will pay less by paying the fines. Why pay for insurance I don’t have now, because I can’t afford it now. This is asking me to engage in “medically induced” bankruptcy. No. No. No. If enough Americans say No, what are they going to do? $750 a year per head? Thats way cheaper than an individual policy, on this market, that doesn’t cover anything anyway.
Gee, I guess Short Ride’s reallllllllllllly pissed at us for supporting Lamont. Oh, well. Too bad, so sad.
Verizon appears to have major server issues. I’ve had a better transfer rate with dial-up than I’ve had today. To busy at work workin’ and teaching myself Windoze 7 and Excel 2007. The VBA code in my templates is outdated and has to be updated. Gonna have fun with the debugger.
sup ya old tar
I’m thinking Joe wants to blame us for supporting ideas he supported in the past as the reason why he changed his mind.
Forget about doing whats right its all about pissing off Jane, Koz and all the bloggers who opposed his senate run after all its always been all about Joe.
an’ cut yer hair.
So I signed my name and became a star, having a ball with my guitar.
Driving a big, long cadillac. And fighting the girls off’n my back.
But they just keep a comin, screaming, they love it.
So I picked my guitar with a great big grin
And the money just kept on rollin in.
And then one day my Uncle Sam said (thump, thump, thump) “here I am!
Uncle Sam needs you, boy. Gimme that guitar. Take this rifle. Yeahhhh – gonna cut your hair off… .
Sure seems like it, doesn’t it?
Don’t know whether I’m comin’ or goin’. I’m gonna have geek dreams for the next couple weeks. Sure is fun. Won’t get my new VBA book ’til Thursday earliest. Slick shit.
No kidding!
Wow! Rachel Maddow is really on it tonight: Republicans are NOT the problem. We KNOW they are 100% against anything that doesn’t make this President look BAD. But WTF is wrong with Democrats. OK, that’s a paraphrase, but she’s really bringin’ it. (and schoolin’ Snarlin’ Arlen Specter, to boot!!!)
I feel like that Windoze 7 commercial: It was my idea! I’ve been emailing her every time she talks about ‘Thuglican obstruction to remind her that the real prob is Democrats.
Yay me?
FWDiva
cool bra, hang tough
ok, yay u
And before that he was pissed at Gore for not automatically backing him in 2004, even though he singlehandedly dragged Gore down low enough to allow the election to be stolen in Florida. But loyalty is always a one-way street with the Hissy One. (See also: Backstab — Clinton, Bill, 1998.)
Eeeeeeeeeeek!
Srsly.
And come to that, I’d rather give $750/year to the gummint than $400/month to the MurderBySpreadsheet industry. Guess I’m not teabagger material—I HATE the insurance fat cats more than I hate the gummint. By orders of magnitude.
FWDiva
I’m wondering when the latest polls come out on this plan? If anything the longer this takes to pass the more time we have to educate voters on exactly why this is a crappy bill.
But do we have to do that at all this time I wonder Joe threatened to filibuster the bill publicly unless he got his way I’m thinking most voters won’t take that as a good sign.
Rahm pushing Harry to cut a deal another bad sign. There is no way Obama will get any bounce in the polls signing this bill.
There is no way the Blue Dogs or Harry will get political cover passing a healthcare bill like this although they are acting like they think it will.
Lets see who in the Senate has a Spine after the polls come out.
So petty! Lieberman, that is.
And I thought men were supposed to be more objective about being beaten in competition. Guess Lieberman’s not that manly.
Surely, there must be something unconstitutional about this mandate. Anyone know if the ACLU is already investigating that angle?
Thanks.
But who are you, and what have you done with Raven McCrankypants?
FWDiva
Yes and I’m thinking even the Press will twig on to that.
somewhere out there is a barrel of tar and a pillowcase full of feathers with Lieberman’s name on it.
All in good time
Joe is a very small man. Supports money for death and opposes money for healing. Too bad we are the ones that have to live with that.
And a rail to ride him on.
Don’t forget the dull deer antler.
I thought Harkin made a lot of sense. Get what you can and add on when you can.
That is the way progressive change has always been accomplished in this country.
It’s a house built of sticks and straw, sitting on a sand dune. And we need to set up some big fans pointing at it ….
We know this bill if it passes will be unpopular. We know Joe will get all the credit for the bill. Thus any failures come election day will all be Joe’s, Rahm’s and the Blue Dogs fault.
What kind of health insurance do they have there?
rut ro
When I was there it was pretty good!
Anyone else think maybe Joe went nuclear with the filibuster because maybe he heard Obama found those missing WH emails?
‘K, whatever.
I’ll just be damn sure to quote you accurately, every time!
FWDiva
“The health system in Viet Nam is a mixed public-private provider system, in which the public system still plays a key role in health care, especially in prevention, research and training.
The private sector has grown steadily since the ‘reform’ of the health sector in 1989, but is mainly active in outpatient care; inpatient care is provided essentially through the public sector.”
And a
railgurney to ride him on.fixed it for you
We hid it in his yard and put a Christmas tree on top. He’ll never notice it.
And we need to introduce the lot of them to each other.
Joe has never been a liberal or a friend
Seems like old times. . .
they might you know. theyve done it before
No, that’s conservatives.
We only eat people who annoy us too much. Like trolls.
JOE LIE outed Valerie Plame? Who knew. Paging Emptywheel!
FWDiva
I remember
joe’s a dick. a great big walking schmekel with urine collored hair.
No, more likely he was writing mash notes to Karl.
Benedict Smarm-old
No, that’s definitely a liberal.
Every shot of the teabaggers had a brain dead jar head standing behind the speaker.
On Talk radio in my town the conservative host gleefully admits that pissing off liberals is his job.
So there is that.
Gibbs said the President pressed joe hard. Well if true then president Obama caved once again bye bye Dem’s in 2010 and 2012
I guess if we don’t ‘pay-up’ we can be fined. And if we don’t (won’t, can’t) pay the fine . . . we can go to jail. Hmmmm, jail. Free healthcare, 3 squares and a roof. There may come a time when that may be appealing, especially to those whose illness render them unable to feed, clothe and medicate themselves.
I remember during the run-up to the war, a recurring theme was Jefferson’s (?) words: Those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither. How, I wonder, would he view those who would sacrifice freedom for (incarcerated) life?
3 hots and a cot
we have to whip the house to kill this thing. lets see if there really are enough republicans who will vote against it to kill it, or if just enough of them will have a change of “conscience” and pass it. then lets hear from some of these same people who talk about how we are all just whiners who cant give some to get some, and the perfect enmeny of the good and blah blah blah. im sure the republicans will become ‘bi-pertisan” heros and the fineman/alter et al media will praise them for being so damn bi partisan.
There is plenty of other stuff on those emails. EW can cause all kinds of Havoc with that information.
What would you suggest Obama do with Lieberman that would lead to his becoming the sixtieth vote?
never thought of that possibility
repeat, dull deer antler
well when enough of us are in jail they can pass a law making it legal to profit on the labor of prisoners and we’ll finally be able to compete with china again. im looking for a way out of this sinking ship of fools. maybe i’ll defect to sweden, or monaco
Kill it, this is ridiculous.
I am 62 and getting $1,000 social security. So I HAVE to pay $2,250 health care. Where is the emergency room? I think I will go somewhere and DIE QUICKLY.
And I think they ought to put her on the de-coding team!
FWDiva
Have you no respect for deer antlers?
wrote my congresscritter this afternoon and said to vote against it (not that he hasn’t heard that from me before).
I wrote that I’d put my opinion of Lieberman in, but the phone lines would melt.
Hard no the Chicago way is they come at you with a knife you pull a gun, they send one of yours to the hospital you send one of theirs to the morgue.
Or in Senate terms Joe no more Pork. Military bases in your state they are all going to close down. Aid for Israel your pet cause there will be no votes on that scheduled until National Healthcare passes.
After all it is embarrassing that we give Israel aid money and they have healthcare and we don’t.
If that don’t work the IRS can look at all your campaign contributors hard.
Except that healthcare in prison can be pretty hit-or-miss. Nothing like the VA, certainly.
I hear the food isn’t that great, either!
FWDiva
Since he is Jewish you might have to try a different approach than a Xmas tree.
Oldgold.. the obvious answer is ~~~EDITED IN MODERATION~~~
~~~ModNote: Violent suggestions, even in jest, is prohibited.~~~
if they do pass this bill as it exists, and im blowing up phones and email accounts to prevent it, im all out of v commerical loot, then we should form a non compliance movement. whatever happens we should stick toether. i learned that going to rock concerts back when there was still something fun to do
I have a high school buddy, went to the Nam a little before me. He moved to Sweden 25 years ago and delights in harassing folks on our Classmates site with leftie diatribes.
Ironically enough, they won’t be able to jail you for not buying health insurance, because, in order to buy health insurance, you have to not only provide medical history to the insurance company, you or your physician will have to detail every procedure and exam done for you in order to file the claim with the insurance company. Have you ever heard of the Supreme Court decision known as Roe v. Wade that protects your right to privacy? Can we say that the high court has already ruled on this unconstitutional mandate?
Um, I think that was the point?
I got out of Vietnam so here we go again. Burn the bank in IV.
The Gitmo boys could be placed in a new billion $ facility in Windsor Locks.
Or, The sub base in Groten could slip under the the base closings thing for the next two rounds.
or, UTC could build another jet engine we don’t need.
or, green Technology could be required to hire former insurance company personnel first.
or, the Yankees could be moved to the new dome in East HArtford,
or, we could give Hamilton standard a contract to build a space station.
or, the Fed could give Joe a billion $$ in T-bills
or, ….help me out here!
but the bong down and step away
Actually why not the WH needs someone to go over those emails and who knows what to look for more than her?
She will need top secret clearance of course but hey if Jeff Gannon can get a WH press pass I’m sure EW can after all she only said Blow Job on tv she never offered to sell any on the net.
huh
“but the bong down and step away”
huh?
if you mean “put the bong down and step away” I don’t smoke that crap. tobacco is good enough for me. You don’t see an invasion of privacy in a mandate to force the american people to buy health insurance?
too late. We’re already the world’s biggest user of enforced prison labor for profit… everything from blue jeans to airline reservations.
Is a legal US policy.
Here’s the irony. Lieberman’s whole schtick was that he was above partisan politics. Over and over we heard him say that Americans are tired of partisanship. Now he says that he’s dissing the bill because democrats like it.
To do what?
Stand his ground?
I feel my bones collapsing from the negative radiation given off from the TV when Joe LIEberman is on and I have to see his limp weepy face and listen to his whiny ass voice. He is one of the most revolting individuals on the planet.
I say hit Joe where he lives, superglue McCain’s butt-crack shut.
to that cheap pressboard, self-assembled furniture with a Made in USA label?
FWDiva
he gets all that for being evil?
doesn’t it make you feel patriotic? we still have a manufacturing sector!
Just buying his vote.
Isn’t that the American way?…buy a senator??!!
Rayne is upstairs!
Monster, Mashed Up
http://www.instantrimshot.com/
Thank-ya verra much!
Great link!
poor Hadassah is NO looker either and stood off and teh short
I’m tired of having that stupid platitude thrown in my face, too. A bill without a strong public option, that does not contain an end to, or strict limits on, the insurance industry’s anti-trust exemption, that requires citizens to purchase insurance from the very insurance industry that has brought us to this crisis through its abuse of citizens is not “imperfect,” it’s just plain BAD. And ‘the bad’ is the enemy of the good.
I’m also tired of the not-so-thinly veiled threat being made by those who support this gutted piece of legislation that this is our “last chance” to enact reform. It absolutely is not our last chance. We will have as many chances to enact real reform as we are willing to stand up and demand.
I think I am beginning to see how things work on Firedoglake: so long as everyone pats everyone else on the back and plays witty one-upmanship, you’re okay. When someone actually posts a serious but opposing point-of-view, it’s “quick, throw a few ad hominem attacks at him; maybe he’ll go away. Accuse him of smoking dope, because he obviously doesn’t think like the rest of us!” Am I being unfair in my judgement? Prove me wrong.
Here’s our final choice in a literal nutshell, courtesy of the other caving Democrat, Ron Wyden:
Don’t pass this bill and “champagne corks will be popping” at Republican headquarters.
Vs.
Pass this piece of shit and we’ll be home sucking up peppermint snaaps while you Congressmen freeze your butts off knocking on your own damn doors.
Yup, that’s it. Sounds like you’ve read the charter.
FYI, accusing people of smoking dope is actually a compliment. We are dirty hippies, after all.
Knock it off. It’s not like you have been flamed. And if this is the measure of your hide, I suggest you get some sun.
Make your case.
Well, if the shoe fits you, you get to wear it.
(We don’t tolerate ad hominems from anyone, as you’d have noticed if you’d been around here for long. As it is, you sound like every other damned troll who comes by, hoping to hijack a thread and get banned so they can brag about being banned. Don’t let the door hit you, either.)
I already did, and was told to “but the bong down and step away.” Again, you do nothing but prove my point. And I’ll put my hide to the test against yours any day of the week and twice on Sunday, son. The point is that Roe v. Wade dictates that neither the government nor anyone else can force me or you to disclose private medical information to a private or public medical insurance entity, and since no insurance entity will pay claims without details of procedures and a medical history of the insured, the health insurance mandate is unconstitutional.
“As it is, you sound like every other damned troll . . .”
Perhaps your definition of ad hominem differs from that of Noah Webster.
Then quit your crying. You want to win an argument? Whining about being attacked, especially when you haven’t, is not exactly convincing.
is it time for those 11th dimensional chess moves yet?
oh yeah ALL –
do NOT stay home from voting, ever.
NEVER vote for fucking sell outs.
rmm.
When no one counters your argument, you HAVE won. I present a valid point, and am immediately accused of smoking dope. I’m not the one crying.
I think Rick is actually right- jailing someone for not purchasing health insurance will probably be struck down by the courts.
The argument for upholding such a mandate would be to compare it to the mandate by most states for buying auto insurance, but you don’t have to provide constitutionally protected information to auto insurance companies to buy it, so I don’t think that argument stands. I think there are better ways to get people covered rather than threaten them with jail.
well.. shall we head over to Redstate or Freeperville and try to say something vaguely liberal or just vaguely human, much less vaguely critical of their posters, and then see how quickly we get banned, site-locked and reported to the Feds as a possible terror threat?
Who knows what Sen. Hissyfit’s reasons are. They change with the time of day. The consistent theme is a vehement disregard for the welfare of his constituents and their brothers and sisters across America. As I said elsewhere, though, Lieberman is evil, but he’s a straw dog. He’s barking for the White House.
If nothing comes of this….. it illustrated that the Government is totally crooked.
You want to fight with Raven or with SD, go right ahead.
What kind of flowers do you prefer?
He’s trying to get even with Jane for backing Ned Lamont – he can’t stand admitting that he lost an election, and the voters were correct in their decision.
Lot of ego, not much sense.
Whatever you think of Joe, (I hate him) he has members of both parties coddling and sucking up to him. He’s the embodiment of Obama’s bipartisan fetish. Arlen is just a wannabe.
Stephen Colbert is – right at this moment – showing both clips, Lieberman BACKING Medicare buy-in, and Lieberman badmouthing Medicare Buy-in.
Perfectly timed! Hypocrisy: Exposed!
In that video above, does anyone else see Hadassah’s hand up Joe’s ass, manipulating his “jaw”?
May be he’s got some medical problem. His explanations are totally bizzare.
after everyone is done complaining about that bag of assholes, joe lieberman – one might want to start considering why lieberman has so much influence in washington and why so many are keen on appeasing him and are unwilling to cross him
now that would be an interesting topic to discuss
Joe’s Getting Played Folks
If I was Senator Harry Reid, and I wanted to pass a bill similar to the House bill, and I knew I was saddled with Say-It-Ain’t-So-Joe (and a few skittish centrists) in my caucus, I doubt I would do anything different than Reid has done. Not a thing.
Here’s the game: There are two parts to the health reform bill: 1) the insurance reforms (banning rescission, etc.) that can’t be passed through reconciliation and for which you need 60 votes. Then there are the cost controls of competition through a public option and/or Medicare buy-in that can be passed with reconciliation.
If you are Reid and you signal your intention to pass the latter through reconciliation, Joe goes ballistic and filibusters the former part (insurance reforms). If, on the other hand, you take reconciliation off the table, try to pass the bill with the public option and then, with feigned reluctance, agree to give it up in exchange for his approval of the insurance reforms, he thinks he’s won.
The House grumbles and tweaks it a bit, but passes it because, you know, Dems need some kind of bill to take home to Mom. Joe and the Republicans celebrate because the nasty Progressive caucus is screaming bloody murder, which must mean they won.
President Obama signs it and then the very next day, Reid asks the House to begin work on a bill for reconciliation that includes a robust public option and/or Medicare buy-in. Only need 50 votes (and Vice President Biden) to pass that sucker. We get everything we wanted, only NOT IN ONE BILL AND NOT AT ONE TIME, and Joe gets played.
The only thing that could derail the entire process is if the far left manages to kill the first bill in a fit of pique.
QED
You are giving these guys too much credit. Good idea though
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