Protestors lined up across the street from the Memorial Presbyterian Church in Roosevelt, Long Island this Sunday. It is one of the most influential black churches on Long Island and it counts U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder’s mother and brother among the congregation. The protestors waved signs protesting Eric Holder’s decision to hold the trial of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in New York City with slogans like “Holder mocks 9-11” and waving flags with the “Don’t Tread On Me” snake.
The church, a very large timber frame building, was filled to capacity with an overflow crowd in the basement meeting hall. People were so pressed together that a young woman was overcome and removed by ambulance. Several older congregants had to be helped out for air. Between the protestors and the fainting spells, the Nassau County police worked hard on Sunday.
The service opened with Associate Pastor Yvonne Collie-Pendelton welcoming the congregation to the Third Week of Advent, when the candle representing Joy is lit. The choir sang, the liturgical dancers whirled around like Renaissance angels, the prayers said, sins confessed and scripture read.
Pastor Tuggle’s sermon, “Do Not Dismiss the Child,” expounded that newborns arrive into this world with gifts and talents from the Almighty and how each child has an obligation not to let circumstances of birth like poverty, bad neighborhoods or broken homes stand in the way of reaching his or her full potential. The pastor pointed out that he is the child of an unwed mother, but did not use that as an excuse to fail.
He said it is the duty of the congregation to nurture the children in its midst and help them overcome. He mentions the struggles of the congregants over 70 who created the opportunities that today’s children are expected to fulfill. And he spoke about the civil rights struggle and figures like Nelson Mandela and Martin Luther King., Jr. It was an inspirational talk.
William Holder, who is an elder in the congregation, introduced his brother Eric. He began with a shout out to the FBI agents, some by name, who keep his “baby brother” safe. It must be an inside joke because Eric is older than William.
Like the sermon that preceded it, William’s introduction is was itself an inspirational speech. He pointed out that Holder inherited a Department that was “tarnished by politically motivated personnel decisions” and which had endorsed torture and which had lost its sovereignty. William invoked former Attorney General Robert Jackson, who as a Supreme Court Justice participated in a decision setting the limits of presidential power and Elliot Richardson who resigned rather than fire the Special Watergate Prosecutor. Their portraits hang in Eric Holder’s private office at Department of Justice. William spoke about restoring the rule of law.
William would be right at home in an FDL comment thread; he’s a hard act to follow.
Finally, Eric Holder took the pulpit. Expectations were high; the previous speakers laid a rich table for him to deliver an inspirational exhortation. Would he announce a reinvigoration of the Civil Rights Division? Talk about mortgage industry fraud and what DOJ is going to do about it? Talk about reforms in the Department? He started with a bang.
“Action is what I want to talk about today.”
AND THEN HE SCOLDED THEM. It is their fault that they don’t get ahead. It is their fault because they tolerate drug dealers and unwed mothers in their midst instead of shunning and ostracizing. He slammed rap music for the violence and misogyny of the lyrics. “A new culture is growing on our community like a cancer.” Was he referring to gangs? Hip hop culture? He didn’t specify.
“We should not treat as leaders those whose only accomplishment is success in entertainment or sports.”
He exhorted the congregants to treat teachers, clergy and the elders as leaders because they “bring infinitely more value to our lives than someone with a good jump shot.”
As chief law enforcement officer of the United States, he believes it is his duty to continue the policies that have led to the disproportionate incarceration of young black men. He seems to think that because he is a man of color, he is exempt from criticism for those policies which are racist in effect. “As a proud black man I am acutely aware of the needs of our people,” and continued on to talk about statistics showing that members of the black community are more likely to be victims of crime, so getting tough on violent crime = equals a benefit for the black community. Nine out of ten black murder victims are killed by another black person.
Then he slammed sex, saying that “more responsible social behavior among those who create children” will prevent children from becoming criminals. I guess he dozed off during the part of Paster Tuggles’ sermon where he talked about being the child of an unwed mother. It’s rude to diss a man’s mother in his own church.
“it is not enough to pray, we must act.” What action does he want? “If we return to the values of past, we can change our future.”
I swear it was as if Sean Hannity was using him as a ventriloquist dummy, with a few Reaganesque hat tips to a wholesome fantasy 1950s day on the set of “Father Knows Best.”
I don’t disagree with a message of personal responsibility. Hell, I’ve got teenagers at home; I give this lecture at least once a week myself. I even use the line he repeated several times, “‘Everbody does it’, is not an excuse.” It’s a classic.
However, the man is the Attorney General of the United States, not the national Pater Familias. It is his job to set the legal policy of the United States Government and to be its chief law enforcement officer; enforcing both criminal and civil laws. I didn’t hear anything about this in this speech; his only mentions related to law enforcement were crime statistics and letting us know that he was going to continue the policies that led to the widespread incarceration of young men of color.
He did not talk about a new anti-gang initiative, which is needed. He did not talk about the brilliant use of Safe Streets grant money to create recidivist diversion programs in Chicago, a success that could be repeated elsewhere. He didn’t announce a change in drug enforcement policy, though the DEA reports to him.
Nope, he just scolded the people that who don’t need any scolding. He scolded the people who come to church, who are upright and solid, at a church that places an emphasis on helping the children overcome the obstacles of their birth and which raises money to give out nearly $20,000 in scholarships because it views education as key to success. The people in that church, the ladies with their wonderful hats and impeccable suits don’t need to be lectured on self-respect and standards. The gentlemen, all in coats and ties, shoes polished to a fare-thee-well, don’t need to be lectured about responsibility or being a role models. These are people who walk the walk and lead by example in their community.
What they needed to hear, and did not hear, was what the Attorney General of the United States intends to do to right the wrongs committed during the Bush Administration; they did not hear what the AG intends to do to course correct the national path back towards the rule of law, nor did they hear what he intends to do to rehabilitate and reform organs of the DOJ, like the Civil Rights Division and the Voting Rights Section, which have become the opposite of what their names imply.
We do not need a national cultural scold; the FOX media conglomerate has cornered the market on that, actually glutted the market. What we, as a nation, DO need is an Attorney General with a vision for restoring our national fidelity to law, a plan to carry out that vision, and the ability to articulate that vision and plan to the rest of us.



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Wow.
Can this Administration’s top officials be any more tone-deaf or more completely self-absorbed?
Yes, OK, soundbites are easier than actual thought-through policies. But iirc the lesson of the 2008 election was NOT that they’re a good way to convinge the electorate to put or keep you in charge of governing.
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot!
Feh! Faugh, even.
FunnyWheelieDiva
I wrote Holder a one-sentence letter, “Why have you done nothing to help Don Siegelman?”
No answer yet.
Birds of a feather? Obama, Holder, and Bill Cosby?
Holder may be the biggest asshole in the administration. And that’s saying something.
Hasn’t there been enough scolding?
He certainly passed on taking responsibility.
Give people jobs crime goes down moron.
Sounds like he read
http://art-bin.com/art/omodest.html
And did not understand the Snark!
Right. And I’d add:
Uphold the Rule of Law for everyone, and more people see the point of behaving lawfully, moron.
FWDiva
http://art-bin.com/art/omodest.html
My bold Mod if you must cut my comment please keep the bold. Hopefully Eric, Hannity or Glen Beck won’t read this and take it literally.
Yeah when are the Bankers going to jail they steal more than everyone White, Black, Hispanic, Asian etc put together!
I guess he felt the need to preach since he was standing in a pulpit. Too bad that kind of preaching is what makes people doze off in church. What a self righteous prig with an attitude that will accomplish no real justice or change.
It makes me wonder what they have on him, that he has not begun to right the wrongs from the Bush administration.
Sounded like a great service, up until Eric got there. What a shame.
I haven’t heard this much self absorbed crap from a WH since Reagan was in charge! Maybe we can start a game Did the Reagan or Obama WH say something stupid about African Americans, Minorities, Gays, Women or poor people and then we start writing quotes and let people guess who said what.
More and more, ya really gotta wonder about Obama’s judgment in choosing colleagues and employees…
Yeah did he raid the College Republicans of all their African American members?
What I want to hear is that the AG is looking into death penalty cases in Texas where the DA fell asleep. What I want to hear is the Gov Goodhair is being investigated for frying that innocent guy accused of killing his kids who his own team before he fired them thought was innocent.
the pie who came in from the scold.
Since juries are more likely to find African Americans and all dark people guilty how about we don’t let the jury see or otherwise know the color of the accused?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1759791.stm
How about we give out legal fines based in proportion to the ability to pay?
These ideas alone could be posts.
Kevin Alexander Gray:
Unemployment among blacks was high before Obama took office. For blacks in the 16-24 age group it’s been double-digit unemployment for decades. Nevertheless, in the time between George W. Bush’s relocation back to Texas and Obama’s move into the White House, the unemployment rates for the parents of many of those unemployed youth nearly doubled. As of September, the “official” Bureau of Labor Statistics data shows the overall black unemployment rate at 15.4 per cent: 16.5 per cent for adult men, 12.5 for adult women and 40.8 per cent for teenagers. Some economists estimate that the actual overall rate is in the 27 to 30 per cent range, with the “unofficial” teenage rate far surpassing the 50 per cent mark. Perhaps, the only uptick in young black male employment in the last year has been in illicit drug sales.
By any economic measure the black community is in a severe depression. African Americans make up about 13 per cent of the population but represent 17 per cent of the uninsured. Nearly 25 per cent of blacks, or 9.4 million people, lived in poverty in the United States in 2008, compared with 8.6 per cent of whites, or 17 million people. Of the 2.3 million people in jail or prison, half are black. Among black women ages 35 to 39, one in 100 is behind bars, compared with one in 355 for white women in the same age group. Yet no targeted youth or adult jobs program was part of the $787 billion stimulus package. The most that the jobless got out the stimulus deal was extension of unemployment benefits, if they hadn’t already dropped off the rolls. At best, stimulus dollars forestalled some teachers being laid off and kept road crews working. If hiring more cops is a good thing, the bill did that as well. Yet, unless the parents of those unemployed young people were fortunate enough to have a public works job, many were facing foreclosure and other financial woes.
george:
It seems Obama and his crew are determined in every way, shape and form to run the nation as they imagine Fox News would want them to. As though hip hop and baggy jeans were largely reponsible for the demographics above.
Has Eric Holder ever seen the television series The Wire? Does he [or Obama] have even the vaguest of clues of what it must be like to grow up in the wretched circumstantances of so many of our urban environments? Where is Obama’s program to change that?
I wonder of Oprah raised any of these pressing points in her Christmas jaunt at the White House last week. I think not. Now isn’t the time.
Shorter Eric Holder, “I have to continue to prop up and advance a configuration of economics, social order, and militarism that makes sure to put the screws to you people especially hard. When you feel the temptation to follow your only possible paths to improve the quality of your life given the deck I’m helping to stack against you; don’t. Just take my exploitation, and like it.”
What an asshole.
I’d rather see kids listening to – and creating – rap and hip-hop, than see them using drugs and committing robbery and burglary. (Personal opinion: put art and music back into schools. We might at least get better quality graffiti. And they’d know that music doesn’t have to be loud to be good.)
If you don’t provide a good education or jobs with decent pay, then you get the kind of citizens you deserve.
If you do that for enough years, you will have what we’ve got now.
GASP!
But that would be a socialisto-fascist re-distribution of wealth! UNAMERICAN!!!
FWDiva
Phoenix Woman is upstairs!
Senator Hissyfit Lets the Mask Slip
maybe holder should have been the first african american president.
Finally, Eric Holder took the pulpit……
A jack-ass in the pulpit?
blame the victims.
we’re back to Dickens.
Why is it that whenever a black leader asks for some community responsibility a bunch of the most stereotypically ignorant liberals start crying foul? If I had ever ONCE heard a so-called “leader of the black community” acknowledge that this is part of the solution, instead of completely dismissing the idea, I might agree that folks like Holder & Cosby should stop repeating the same message… but I haven’t heard that, ever. All I ever hear is that it’s somebody else’s fault and that it’s ignorant to suggest otherwise.
The plight/situation of the black community in this country is deplorable and certainly not historically their own fault, but for God’s sake, acknowledge that the negative attitudes towards education, crime, and women in popular “urban culture” have a very poor influence that needs to be minimized or eliminated as a positive step in the right direction. It’s like trying to say “I want to swim, but I refuse to take this anchor off my leg”.
Here’s another comment you can flame me for: seems to have worked for the Latino community.
You have not been here very long I suppose, and should be forgiven you unfamiliarity with the site.
Go back and read some more before you bring that charge. Please. It is without foundation.
I will add, that I agree he should have talked about what the government can do to help as well, and if he did not, that is a major failing. I believe the solution involves both what he talked about, and what he failed to.
Education, productive industry, and economic mobility are in the shitter in the United States. What are these people supposed to do within the system to make sure they have opportunity to elevate themselves out of poverty.
We live in times when a $125,000 college education buys you almost nothing, and a graduate degree is typically worth roughly the same.
Couldn’t agree more. And my response is not really, at all, about the black community, as it is about some of the posters here, which are indicative of the attitude I see frequently (especially hailing from the Bay area), which refuses to acknowledge that the points Holder raised (which I’ve only read the excerpts here, I admit) are valid ones.
I certainly do not subscribe to the “just pull yourself up by the bootstraps!” argument… as you point out, that doesn’t hardly even work for the lower/lower-middle class white folks let alone economically and socially disadvantaged minorities.
But pulling yourself up by the bootstraps IS a valid PART of the way out of the darkness. It does no one any good to get riled up and angry whenever it is mentioned… that just distracts from the real issues (which some folks have raised in the comments, yes).
If the point of anger is that he ignored the role of government and society as a whole, I agree entirely. But if the point of anger is that he deigned bring up the idea that “urban culture” is detrimental and should be condemned by all black leaders with a voice, then I disagree entirely and suggest that ignoring or pretending that issue is untrue is doing much more harm than good.
Sounds like the wrong brother is at the DOJ.
Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses?
Yes, if they don’t keep pulling it out of the way as you reach for it.
(Or, as one of my friends says, every time she sees the light at the end of the tunnel, someone collapses the tunnel again.)
Hence the “part”. If there are barriers in your way should you stop trying, even if there are seemingly endless new ones?
The way I see it, “urban culture” is a cancer. You can go to the doctor, but part of the treatment is going to be removing that cancer. There are multiple cancers affecting the black community, almost all of which require a concerted effort by the government and US society as a whole to defeat… and hence why I agree that Holder is doing nobody but the autocracy any good by ignoring the greater issues. But you still want to remove all the cancers, ignoring one of them will still kill you.
That’s all I’m saying. I am not blaming black folks for their problems or suggesting they can magically cure the societal roadblocks in their way by burning all their 50 Cent albums or trying to get more kids to want to be astronauts instead of basketball players. But for the life of my I cannot understand why some folks (Jesterfox) cannot acknowledge that this is a PART of the problem.
Why is it when someone points this out they seem less intent on providing the balance themselves than in assuming that those who provide a different balance are just “ignorant liberals”?
As Kouril points out herself:
My own wake up call on the balance between systemic racism and personal responsibility came from watching The Wire. This series was nothing short of a brutal indictment of American leaders for abandoning urban centers to the sort of squalor that mass produces children by the tens of thousands who have little in the way of positive reinforcment.
When my family moved from Wilkes Barre to Baltimore 50 years ago we were raised in the heart of a working class community.
But back then my working class father had a job at Martin Marietta [Lockheed/Martin today] and then at Maryland Shipbuilding and Drydock. He and many of our neighbors [black and white] also had access to good jobs in the shipyards and the steel mills; and at General Motors and Western Electric. As did I after I graduated. There you had access to unions, to living wages that were the norm for many families. And living wages do wonders for instilling the motivation needed to raise a family with an eye towards the future.
Today of course many shake their heads and wonder plaintively: Why in the world are the “inner cities” falling apart?
Maybe because all those good jobs have long been shipped overseas and now urban poverty, despair, crime, drugs, busted families and the like are the new norm.
No, no many insist, it has nothing to do with that. Instead, it’s all their fault. You know, Glenn Beck will wink and nod, them!!
That’s what we need a balance to today.
You’re right, I should’ve been more verbose and clear in my original post. Society as a whole definitely doesn’t do much, if anything, towards achieving a more egalitarian world and in such a situation it’s much easier to point fingers from the outside than take leadership and responsibility. Please see my followups and respond if you still disagree.
Few jobs, and the ones that exist are minimum-wage, minimal-skill stuff.
Few businesses, and those mostly feeding the stereotypes: liquor, fast food, sporting-foods (those are in better areas). Not many actual grocery stores (even compared with the number of quick-stop places), and those few are higher-priced than their suburban siblings, and with poorer quality food as well.
Schools that are underfunded, in poor physical shape, and with teachers who are either bad or inexperienced.
Few (or difficult) ways to travel to areas where better jobs and better schools might exist.
And they wonder why people from the inner cities aren’t doing better?
Agreed!
Oh, Grandma, what a sharp tongue you have!…Well Done!
Of all the new cabinet members, his performance has been most disappointing. Strikingly fundamentalist, as this story demonstrates, his legal decisions have been very conservative and, incredibly, have exonerated DOJ and WH lawyers, along with others in the Bush administration, who clearly subverted the Constitution. It’s true he inherited a very politicized and dis-spirited agency to manage, but that’s no excuse for his own piss poor performance.
A Justice Department tarnished by politically motivated decisions such as tossing aside the Black Panther intimidation case?
When one points a finger at someone else, there are 3 fingers pointing straight back at his/herself….
Nothing so irksome as seeing my own character faults in someone else. I can spot them a mile away.
I think Eric is trying to be one of the ‘big boys’, and escape his own responcibilities, by pointing fingers.
This privileged snobbery act is just not cutting it.
Come on, Eric, grow up and accept your challenge. There are some good role models out there to emulate. Step it up man.
Oh please define “Urban Culture”.
Did you actually read my post? I specifically said that I agreed with his message of personal responebility!
And if he had coupled that message with something actually having to do with Justice polciy in this country, I would be reporting that.
The problem is, he didn’t talk about justice policy, except to say that he felt justified in putting ots of black peole in jail because black peole are the most common victims of crime committed by other black people.
My conmplaint is that he did not provide any vision for justice policy. He’s the AG! He wasn’t invited to speak at that church because he was recently voted father of theyear, or pop culture czar.
He was invited to speak BECAUSE HE IS AG.
I agree with your commnet 34.
Great Idea TCU, Great Idea!
If we did that we would be able to balance the budget, pay off the national debts and provide a Public Option.
But here’s the problem with such an elegantly simple solution. What would the big corporate stooges (aka senators & reps) our dumbed down electorate puts into office have left to do – Govern?