
photo: wallyg via Flickr
Eric Holder came to NYC this week. He met with the NYPD, the FBI, the U.S. Attorney’s Office and the US Marshals Service.
He toured the Metropolitan Correctional Center (MCC), the jail where Khalid Sheikh Mohammed will be housed during the trial. Holder also toured the courthouse and, I suspect, he toured the bunker system that connects them all. Lower Manhattan in a post-9/11 world is a hardened target. Very hardened. I suspect he came away very impressed by the changes that have taken place in NYC in recent years.
I happened to be in court in Manhattan on the day Bernie Madoff pled guilty. He arrived at the courthouse from home by car; the news crews who were camped out in front of the courthouse all got their obligatory shots of him going from car to front door.
Later that day, they were still camped out. I went about my business and when I was returning to the parking garage nearby to pick up my car, I walked over to where the obviously freezing journalists were huddled on that very cold early spring day and asked why they were still there. They were waiting for Bernie to come back out, perp walked in handcuffs with Marshals on either side, maybe an orange prison jumpsuit, on his way to the MCC.
I almost hated to break it to them, but the courthouses are connected to the jail and to other things by a system of bunkers and passageways that are mostly invisible to the public; they are secured in a way which might remind you of the opening scenes to “Get Smart” when Agent Maxwell Smart enters the secure facility of C.O.N.T.R.O.L. They were never going to get a shot of Madoff doing the perp walk once he was remanded to jail. They had been sitting out there all day for nothing, while Madoff was likely already in his cell.
But the same system which hid Madoff from view will not only prevent KSM from escaping, it will keep prosecutors, the judge and even the jurors and witnesses safely invisible.
Further, since 9/11, the major buildings downtown have been bomb hardened and largely brought up to the revised embassy construction standards and the roadways have a barricade system that can be deployed on virtually no notice. The NYPD and the U.S. Marshals Service have not exactly been sitting on their hands training and planning-wise since 2001, either.
This is not some “I dare you” taunt to Al-Qaeda. This is to point out to the scaredy cats who think that we should throw our criminal justice and due process standards under the bus out of fear, that NYC kinda noticed what happened on 9/11. That attack is not forgotten.
NYC has attracted the best and brightest talent; it has amazing capabilities and it takes its own security VERY SERIOUSLY. That best and brightest talent has spent the last 8+ years making our civic center battle hardened. If there is any place on earth that is up to the task of providing a secure facility for the KSM trial, it’s NYC. NYC also managed to successfully host the trial of the “Blind Sheikh” Omar Abdel-Rahman, and that was BEFORE the enhanced security construction was completed.
I’m not saying it won’t be difficult for NYC to pull off, and Police Commissioner Ray Kelley thinks it will take more that $75 million in overtime and other security expenses, including expenses to protect other parts of the city such as the bridges and tunnels, but there is no doubt in my mind that the law enforcement and emergency services in NYC will be deeply and seriously focused on this project. They successfully foiled the Millennium Bomb plot, and did so without canceling the Times Square New Year’s event. I think this team has the physical plant infrastructure, the planning and training infrastructure, the manpower, the experience and the smarts to get the job done.
I am glad to see that they are already at work.



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If New York is afraid Chicago will do it:)
What is Rudy saying on this issue ?
We’re ready, willing and able.
(Kelly)
Funny how the GOP is so scared normally they are so prowar but a Trial scares them?
Giuliani said moving Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the self- proclaimed mastermind of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, and four others from Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, to New York for civilian trials will create additional costs and security concerns for the city. The White House plan is politically motivated, said Giuliani,
Actually, the only public pronouncement I heard from Rudy was soon after they decided to put the trial here ans all he said was that we have done thins successfully before. That it will be a burden on the city, but that we have been able to do it in the past,
The burden comment I took as a pitch to reimburse NYC for some of the police costs
Did he explain this, or merely assert it?
(And a link would be nice, too.)
Showing these boogeymen for the cowards and crazymen that they are is what scares and motivates the right, now. If KSM and his henches become real live mere criminals in the eyes of the American public, people won’t be as frightened anymore. And fright is what powers the right.
No that would have been Abu Graid.
Rudy Mr a Noun, a verb and 9/11 is wussing out!
I’m going to write it up later, but today I went to hear Eric Holder speak at a church on LI, Across the street were a mess of tea baggers and they had signs about how Holder mocks 9-11 which I took to be a reference to his decision to hold the KSM trial here.
I took evil pleasure in the fact that an ice cold rain started to come down on them as I was walking into a nice warm church.
And yes, I confessed that during the confessional portion of the service.
And Rudy has never done anything polItically motivated? When were Fair Trials politically Motivated has Rudy ever seen the Constitution?
Looking at Raven’s comments my guess is someone changed Rudy’s mind? Can we trust a Presidential Candidate who can be Leaned on?
as another nyc i don’t even know what to say about these senators and pundits reiterating how much danger this will put us in: nyc is always in the crosshairs of these unpleasant people. the idea that this can’t be handled and secured in our civilian courts only demonstrates that they don’t spend much time in the city and don’t know new yorkers. it may be politically expedient, but it is, in fact, condescending and ill-informed.
personally, i view the bush administration — and by that i mean dick cheney — acted as though we were children who couldn’t protect ourselves so we had to be protected from the “evil doers.” i would be reassured to have these fools treated like the common criminals — the thugs — they are and be judged by those they hold in the most disregard: infidels and women.
clearly, the military has not handled this. let nyc take care of it the same nyc took care of that mess they created downtown.
and for god’s sake, let’s get on with it.
Well damn
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aEsxveP.9qnA
My guess is the GOP is terrified that a fair trial means torture will get mentioned and of course who gave the order. Tell me any chance this trial will be on TV Prime Time during the election? After all WWMDD
What Would Mayor Daley Do, Rudy has seen nothing yet as to polItically motivated trials if Daley were running things:)
Wow, Raven. That is so different from what he said when it was first announced. It sure seems like a) he got leaned on , and B) he caved to the pressure
Ever watch the Security Chief of Morgan Stanley explain in 1998 that the next time they would fly planes into the WTC?
Cynthia how is New York handling the news are they terrified or ignoring the GOP fear like the rest of us?
Ghouliani said that the only things that kept him off the McCain ticket in ’08 were long, sexy Tresses and Ho Boots … which will be added for his ’12 campaign.
*Why yes, I have had a few Brewskys today, how ever did you guess ?*
Dang Petro!
Great news, it’s going to be the safest show trial in world history. I’m so thrilled that prosecuting a person whom we’ve tortured is going to be safely out of public sight.
Does that mean all the due process-eroding precedents won’t be binding out here in public sight? Or that, when we execute him, when we perform a human sacrifice on the altar of our vengeance (for that’s what the death penalty really is), that will “bring closure” to the war on terror?
All snark aside for a second, I’m amazed that this post doesn’t bring up any of the long-term costs of trying someone whom we’ve tortured, all while the ones who authorized and implemented the torture walk free among us. How Kafkaesque!
Is there any doubt in any reasonable mind that the verdict and sentence have already been decided? Who thinks KSM has any chance of acquittal, much less of ever going free? There are still people in Gitmo whose release has been ordered by courts, and ignored by Obama.
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So, of the hundreds whom we detained in Gitmo, “the worst of the worst,” we were told, no more than 40 will get a trial. “With liberty and justice for all” never sounded more hollow.
What’s so great about a safe show trial? What’s so great about making a perfect mockery of the rule of law?
Now if only we weren’t too terrified to give the other prisoners in Gitmo a chance at a trial of their own.
I want to be a juror on KSM’s trial. Once in a lifetime experience.
And, except for Wussie Rudy, I’ve noticed that target-rich NYers as much less worried about terrorism than citizens in low target rich environment seem to be. Small sample, but a consistent one.
the REAL AMERICA
Rudy sways in the wind. He thinks denigrating civilian trials for terrorists will appeal to the base. He hasn’t given up on his political aspirations. NY gov & senate are mentioned.
You mean NYC is the REAL America. *g*
You sure Rudy won’t just get a newer younger wife for those
course maybe Sarah will like him that way?
Actually, yes. Most people, urban and rural, aren’t wetting their pants about this.
NYC is, unfortunately, a target for attacks, trials or no. Just like DC. So I’m not sure how much you can sever out the extra protections needed for a trial vs. needed in general – especially while we have unpopular policies affecting the Muslim world or segments thereof. But no city pulls things off the way NYC does – it’s got capabilities that make it sui generis.
Besides, we don’t have to worry about “them” over here, as long as we’re fighting “them” over “there” and it looks like that’s going to be years and years and years now.
I guess someone could always ask Giuliani if he really thinks the trials will cause more issues than the health dangers he hid from clean up workers.
Nice post – thanks for the courage.
D’oh, here’s the link to Worthington’s article:
116 Guantánamo Prisoners Cleared for Release; 171 Still in Limbo
How is NYC reacting? I don’t speak for all New Yorker’s but mostly there is talk about how expensive it will be.
I think the reaction is similar to the days leading up to the Millennium. We knew about the Millennium Bomb plot, we had been told that the plot was disrupted, but we were also told that there was going to be a ton of security precautions.
So, it was really just a question of how inconvenient it would be.
Is every day of the trial going to be a “gridlock alert day”?
That kind of stuff.
Like I said, there were some people protesting Eric Holder today, so there are some riled up locals
I wonder if by chance the whole mess could contribute anything constructive about the horror, which you describe, of the death penalty?
Speaking of NYC & terrorism, anyone know if NYC ever got the $20 billion that was promised by the fed govt? It’s a story that disappeared from the press to my knowledge when they were arguing about the first $10 billion.
I thought the GOP was afraid because torture was going to get mentioned and this was going to be a public trial?
I didn’t say the trial would be out of site. The trial will be in a regular courtroom. Just like the Libby trial. I am also sure a ton of press and those members of the public willing to wait on line to get in, will be there.
Good to hear that. My small sample is mainly from the group table at the ski lodge, and I suspect the ones who live in MN and other such places probably live in gated communities and have metal gates on their windows & doors.
And because it will bring up bad memories in the greater NYC area, You know, everyone has pretty much forgotten.
Every day is gridlock day in Manhattan. Couldn’t be any worse than the R convention when they shut down large sections of midtown.
Cool I do not want to hear the GOP is managing to raise the fear! Then I would start to get worried about the direction of our country.
Will the lake get the chance to live blog this or is it going on tv?
We need to find the guy who took cell phone pics of Saddam Hussein’s execution.
Wouldn’t remembering 9/11 help the GOP? Or would it remind everyone Osama is still loose cause Bush decided to invade Iraq?
Actually, getting around Manhattan is not usually too hard, You’d be surprised how much easier it is for driving than , lets say, central London, or Paris for that matter.
But the WORST was during the rein of Bush the First. Whenever he came to NYC, it would almost only be unannounced and they would close of the roads to every overpass along his route.
Since you cannot get from the airports w/o taking some road designed by Robert Moses, it’s ALL overpasses. Queens would just freeze up for hours at a time
I was kidding. No one with any real connection has forgotten anything.
That may have been the only time Bush ever tried to tone down a death penalty story. Hmmm to end the death penalty let more people watch?
Federal Court does not allow TV broascast. As for FDL liveblgging it, I don’t think anybody has made any decisions yet. Certainly we are able as any other organization to request Press passes, and after the Libby trial it would be very hard to turn us down.
Double d’oh! I’m so mad I can’t link straight.
116 Guantánamo Prisoners Cleared for Release; 171 Still in Limbo
The usual route to midtown was off the FDR Drive at 53d St, which passes right under my balconey. I can’t tell you how many times I was tempted to throw raw eggs on W’s limosine.
I thought you lived in the boonies?
I was trying to support your reasoning:) Still normally the GOP loves Trials, Death Penalty Cases TV cameras for them to try and walk away from all that suggests they are very afraid of torture.
Normally I would expect Bush to be bragging about how he wanted to pull the trigger and OMG! can we get Bush to testify in this case even if he refuses if we can get a public refusal.
Then play some clips about his past death penalty cases.
If Bush was in Chicago I’d take the train in to throw eggs:)
Will torture be an issue discussed at this trial?
I have an apt in Mahattan and a house in the country. Until about 2 years ago, I spent most of my time in the city. In the last couple of years, hardly any at all. I haven’t sold my apt yet, however, because I’ve noticed that I get tired of certain things and switch around. So now that I love being in the country all the time, I could get tired of it.
BTW I went into the city today to heard the head of the Secular Coalition for America. I’m planning on writing a diary about it tomorrow.
Cool
Bought them both at prices that seem a steal by today’s standards.
Guido Sarducci’s one minute economics
buy low
sell high
I can’t speak for anyone but myself for your penance: I’m happy to be one of the beads.
Well, the selling part remains to be seen.
When I bought my apt in Manhattan I was about 32 and single. I was working on Wall St, but in a reserach assistant kind of job. Apt prices fell in half about the early 1970s recession and NYC near bankruptcy. They hadn’t recovered by the late 1970s when I bought (1978 I think). Everyone thought I was crazy because apt prices had been so low for so long, they could never go up. But it was cheaper than renting and prices certainly wouldn’t go lower. So I knew I was buying low. In the year I looked, and lost one I bid for, prices went up 20%. So I bought PDQ. In the next year, prices doubled. If I hadn’t bought when I did, I would have been priced out of the market.
Good to have options.
So true.
“Guilt is the fear of being envied” – Tom Wolfe, I Am Charlotte Simmons.
And now we’re going to be force fed a show trial, reeking of torture, a steaming hot bowl of poisoned chicken soup for our torture-poisoned soul.
“You’re either on the bus or off the bus.” Tom Wolfe The Electic Koolaid Acid Test
I have lots of guilt (raised R.C.) but none of it is associated with fear of being envied.
Looks like the 80,000+ people at Giant Stadium are pretty nervous tonight!
“Don’t look back, they might be gainin on ya”
Satchel Page
I think that there’s plenty of prosecution evidence on KSM that torture will not enter the trial at all.
Last I read, KSM is refusing a lawyer and will not make a defense, so the whole thing should be over PDQ.
About his trademark white suit he said: “I used to have a lot, now I have about 23.”
What’s happening at Giant Stadium, some kind of terrorist threat?
:)
They not only gained on me, they passed me by long ago.
Giants and the Eagles, that would be football.
They will be if the D-Line doesn’t step up this week.
So the local team, whichever that is, is losing?
True, all my teams ate it today, Falcons, Bears
Kickoff in moments
I actually know that Giants & Eagles are football, and that Giants are the local team in Giants’ stadium (like duh). But I enjoy playing dumb about pro-sports, which is pretty close to what I actually am in that sphere anyhow.
The weather is absolutely miserable–freezing rain. IIRC, Giants’ stadium doesn’t have a roof. Poor babies.
You should have seen the Montana-App State game yesterday, talk about cold!
What we never hear about is how expensive those Billion Dollar Boondoggles were down in Gitmo.
And how much more secure was Gitmo? It was surrounded on three sides by Cuban territory, a nation where Islamic extremists may have easily had been able to enter and quietly prepare an attack.Of course that would have created just the sort of international incident that Cheney/Bush and the Republicans would have loved.
A multi-billion dollar War fomented by a “Remember the Maine” False Flag (or at least the placement of a prime target next to an area where we could expect an attack).
To Whom It May Concern: Typos happen; they happen more so on blogs, often when steel-trap memories and confident touch-typing are rightfully relied upon, and they are only that, typos. But blogs and threads are archived, so:
“And don’t look back—something might be gaining on you” – Satchel Paige (his last ‘rule’ for staying youthful).
Speaking of typos— It’s Ray KELLY
You don’t think the Castro bros would have been dumb enough to allow a terrorist attack of the U.S. from Cuban territory. They have never exhibited that degree of stupidity.
Fortunately, I’m not THAT Canfield
Ah, yes, a roomful of folks reciting
A formative experience in the development of my sense of gallows humor, without which I sincerely doubt I’d be here! Just possibly this trial will help another generation along, per the exposure of part-men described above.
Noun, Verb, 9/11
Well, at least you have the decency to reply. I bow in your virtual direction. Brace yourself, this is gonna sting a little.
Pray tell, how do we divorce torture from KSM’s body? When KSM walks in, in walks torture with him. Either we renounce the acts of torture we all know were committed in our names by promptly investigating and prosecuting them, or we endorse them with this trial, turning a blind eye to state-sanctioned torture as you just did.
The myth is already in the making: ‘KSM got a “fair” trial in New York City(! can you believe it?) thus demonstrating our peerless faith in the rule of law (never mind that his torturers and their bureaucratic enablers still walk free, our failure to investigate and prosecute itself constituting a crime. USA! USA! USA!).
Torture brutalizes everyone. Yes, dear readers, that means you, too. From all the way over here near Seattle, y’all sound like an incredibly witty lynch mob.
Let me repeat it: We tortured KSM as a matter of state policy; talk about an inconvenient truth. The Justice Department prosecuting him played a pivotal role in that torture. The torture lawyers still walk free. And we’re supposed to believe this is a fair trial, a shining example of our faith in the rule of law?
We’re piling injustices upon outrages, and calling it macaroni. Without holding the torturers accountable, we’re going to pretend KSM is getting a fair trial, as if his torture didn’t happen, turning a blind eye to it as you just did.
Pinter was right. Only here in this thread, we don’t have a medium to blame for our debasement, we debase ourselves by ignoring torture. This thread reeks of vengeance masquerading as justice.
And self-hypnosis, judging from the comments here.
I tis my educated guess that the prosecution has enough “pre-torture” evidence to convict and will not need to use evidence that ought to be excluded as derived from torture.
The defense however, would be nuts not to harp on the torture angle. SO, yeah, I expect to hear about it at the trial
Very few blogs have gone after John Yoo or Jay Bybee as ferociously as FDL. Not just the contributors who wrote the posts, but our wonderful commentors as well.
Mary’s contributions, on this topic, alone are a staggering body of work.
And don’t be so sure that there will never be consequences for Yoo and Bybee. Hell, Bybee has started a legal defense fund! I don’t think it’s for unpaid parking tickets.
An yoo may have held on as long as he has because he has tenure, but tenure can actually be stripped. It’s a high threshold of proof, but it can be done.
The wheels of justice have always groung maddenly slowly. You are not the first to complain about the lag time
“Self-hypnosis”, maybe. Maybe it’s more like ‘If this is true, surely it will be stopped’, that kind of naivete; but maybe something like a feeling of powerlessness. Pinter wasn’t being bold in his remarks, he was only reiterating what our own popular culture has been showing us for three decades: État de siège aka State of Siege (1972); Under Fire (1983); Salvador (1986); and many more of varying quality and seriousness. All shown in every city – not at small art cinemas or only in NYC; all shown on TV afterwards. There’s no critical mass of objection.
Two comments here: First, I remember how the building security was stepped up at the WTC post-1993 (and again post-McVeigh). There’s always the assumption that bad people will do exactly the same thing.
Second, the only people who are frightened of these sociopaths being tried in a public courtroom are people who hate NYC to begin with, and drive around in duallies, fondling their .45 every time they have to stop at a red light. The people who live in NYC seem decidedly NOT intimidated. Half a dozen religious whack jobs? Pfft. That’s a quiet ride home on the #4 train.
They don’t have any evidence since the planners of 9/11 are not on trial.
The evidence that they will present will be as phony as a three dollar bill.
Tortured or not the man seems to lie with impunity and couldn’t plan a date to the movies.
Get real.
9/11 was far too complex for the to be done by Al Qaeda… a creation of the CIA to fight the soviet backed government in Afghanistan.
Oh, my bad, thanks. I generalized too much from the Get Smart! reference. So that means we’ll get to see some of the show trial of the century?
And, as Andy Worthington asks, what about the torture? How can any valid claim of fairness for this trial be made while we’re still in breach of the Convention Against Torture (by failing promptly to investigate and prosecute)?
This trial will put the US stamp of approval on torture of detainees. And it sure doesn’t hurt Obama’s myth-making about Afghanistan being the place from which we were attacked, even though the official narrative says they planned 9/11 in Germany and finished their training here in the US.
That’s why I say, jacking electorates with carefully crafted myths is the state of the art in manufacturing consent. As this thread shows, it even works on educated liberals like us.
I don’t know who Ms Kouril is but she needs to brush up on what happened on 9/11 and who what evidence there is that Al Qaeda was involved.
There is none.
Show me what is actual evidence that puts them at the scene of the crime.
That’s the FDL I came to know and love. What I’m surprised at is the celebration of this show trial, as if it were a victory for truth, justice, and the American way. And the oh so cleverly disguised lynch mob mentality.
Further if Ms Kouril is an attorney her hair should be on fire because they US government and the DOJ, DOD et all have done everything possible to deny the accused of legal counsel have not allowed them to select and meet with legal counsel.
This will be nothing but a soviet era style show trial. I can forecast that based on the fact that these accused do not have legal counsel and it is the US government which is preventing them from having it.
That is disgusting.
Just curious Ms Kouril, which US attorneys did you work for. You resume does not indicate this.
Word to you, SanderO! Al-Qaeda, it should be remembered, used to be on the CIA’s payroll. Pepe Escobar describes them, in the article cited above, as “a thinly disguised brigade of Saudi intelligence.”
So what’s up with that? Why are we in Afghanistan, if that’s true? For the oil and the opium, according to F. William Engdahl.
The only terrorists attacks will be the false flag rubbish such as the phoney orange alerts staged by the Bush administration.
The real terrorists are the state sponsored terrorists such as the US government with their terrorists attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki and Bagdad which they boasted of as “shock and awe”… or Falujuh…
Have your forgotten what terror is?
This is such a disinformation campaign. If you read the paper by Colonel Kathryn H Stone you can see the mindset and disinformation that pervades the military thinking about CIA, SOF and the DOD and what they do, should do legally can do, do regardless of whether it is legal or not.
The CIA has been very active in Afghanistan way before 9/11 and knew everything OBL and his buds were up to.
9/11 was apparently a false flag and they are going to ramp up the war with a show trial. Look for another big terrorists attack (false flag) coming soon as they need to open the Pak and Iran fronts.
check out this forecast
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eePBvYX26zc
Said like a true New Yorker. Bravo big guy.
I don’t know if this trial will meet your, or my, expectations for due process. We”l have to wait until the trial actually takes place to find out.
I lack your crystal ball and cannot see the future. Heck I’m stillnot convinced I know which judge this will be assigned to.
My post did not “celebrate” this trial. It had nothing to do with that. My post had to do with the cowards out there who want to keep KSM from being tried in open court.
So, yeah, in my mind open court is an improvement over a “court” at GITMO, but I do not knw, nor can I know until it happens, if this trial will meet my expectations for due process.
I do know, that the premise of my post, is that New York is a safe place to hold this trial, b/c New York knows how to manage these kinds of risks.
Don’t try to put words in my mouth
Giuliani, Romano and Obermaier
I’m sure that in your self congatulatory tone you are forgetting one thing. The fact that people will go to great lengths to secure their safety only because they have run out of options. They have no recourse other than this fortress mentality because they have no clue why they are under threat.
The obvious irony is lost on you completely. One man is capable of sending a whole city to crouch under layers of security without lifting a finger.
This capacity to fortify itself is not a mark of ingenuity or of the best and the brightest diligently being hard at work to find solutions for the threat to NYC. If you believe that then you fail to see the futility of the task you are saluting. So what if NYC is guarded up its wazoo. How about Kansas City or Miami or Kalamazoo Michigan.
What you are doing is praising fools hard at work digging a tunnel with no escape hatch. The reason NYC is under threat is because of the hatred that is directed that way by an untold number of people that have endless options at their disposal.
The trial of KSM is a show trial, I’m sure the Vegas bookies have given him 0 odds of walking. The so called enemy of the state is likely overjoyed at the expense thay have caused the country to assume.
I think time is much better spent in figuring out ways to allay the root causes of their hate. Just to name two: stop Israel’s dessimation of Palestine and it’s people, just stop it. Withdraw the US military presence from Muslim lands.
If the US is not willing to do these things, then for every one KSM that is tried along with the millions he cuases to be spent, then the US will soon go completely broke and be no better off. That is because KSM is not the only man out there.
Oh, don’t mind Sander. He’s a Truther and no amount of debunking will change his mind because he’s convinced that the CIA and Bush are fiendishly brilliant when they’re just plain stupid most of the time.
Hey, Sander! If the CIA’s such all-powerful, all-knowing geniuses, why didn’t they realize that the Soviet Union was on the brink of collapse until it actually fell apart on TV?