The point is that an economic team made up exclusively of callous millionaire-assholes has absolutely zero interest in reforming the gamed system that made them rich in the first place.
(…)
There’s no other way to say it: Barack Obama, a once-in-a-generation political talent whose graceful conquest of America’s racial dragons en route to the White House inspired the entire world, has for some reason allowed his presidency to be hijacked by sniveling, low-rent shitheads.
This is the essence of what makes our political system so infuriating. That first sentence doesn’t just apply to Obama’s economic team – it applies to most of our government, on both sides of the aisle. No one wants to stop the gravy train that makes them rich at the expense of the ordinary Americans they’re supposed to represent.
As long as politicians and their spouses personally benefit from corporate contributions and the promise of fat private-sector paychecks, they will continue to place the well-being of corporations and high rollers above everyone else’s. Instead of constructing strong legislation that protects the environment, the economy, our jobs, and our health, they craft potemkin legislation that hides corporate giveaways under a thin glamour of reform.
As for Obama himself, he squanders his eloquence and charisma on pro-corporate incrementalism at a time when we desperately need bold progressive action. It’s like watching Albert Pujols try to bunt for a base hit. With two outs in the bottom of the ninth, when he’s the tying run. Even if he succeeds, it’s still so much less than what he’s capable of, and so much less than what the situation requires.



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Eli…! Long time no see…!
Matt is dead on and the Reichwing has been trying to rip him a new one for it…! ;-)
Hiya, CTut!
Happy Holidays
He’s bunting for the “other” team.
Over on the Seminal I posted an article that cites the Dalai Lama on how important the advisors are that surround the Potus…! ;-)
Not so fast. I was just emailing with Taibbi yesterday pointing out the various errors in his piece (he got a bit defensive.) And then today, American Prospect is out with a new piece that totally takes apart Taibbi’s tirade. He’s a great rhetoricist, but he needs to spend less time writing about football and more time nailing down the facts.
My “may or may not” links address that. And it still has no bearing on the fundamental truth of those two sentences.
good evening ELI…………the Rubinites have caused the Calamities,and PBO loves them,and himself
Hiya sadly!
I am absolutely certain Barack the Populist will be resurrected just in time for the 2012 campaign and if successful, summarily dispatched (again) by Barack the Corp-Tool.
“low-rent shitheads”
Dead, dead wrong.
These guys are high rent shitheads, very high rent and high maintenance shitheads.
How can you honestly say, with a straight face, that Geitner is not a Wall Street tool…? ;-)
Shitheads nonetheless…! ;-)
The “Hopey Changey” Viagra has been replaced with the reality of stuffing a marshmallow into a parking meter.
That’s a scrappy little sentence ya got right there.
absolutely must see TV
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/warning/
Exactly.
And “low-rent shithead” may last as long in our culture as “vampire squid.”
Wow dog, the article may be bullshit but the sentences are fundamental truth? Lotta slack in that.
One way to tell the story is that there was and is no other option. He couldn’t lead in another direction because there is nobody in the entire world of the elites, political or financial, to follow. Nobody he could possibly have put into authority who would not have destroyed confidence. Confidence those in power would keep it. Any change would mean revolution. The system is balanced on the head of a pin. No slight tilt allowed.
I think basically Obama believes in these elites. If he didn’t he was insane to seek the job. If he’s lost it he should be curled up in a fetal position somewhere most of the day. For behind the facade of improvement, financial and economic, the rot remains.
The article is flawed – although Fernholtz’s critique is overstated – but it’s not bullshit.
sad to say,he,Michelle Malia Sasha…maybe not BO have lost me
Well I sure am glad I didn’t say it was.
that’s cool!
Nice synthesis.
Taibbi is a pleasure to read. So talented.
Whoops, I missed your link. Fernholz puts it better than I could:
That’s what he was elected to do: lead.
He could have picked others who were more independent. All the independent voices were left out or ignored or sidelined in other ways.
Be it the MIC or any other ‘third rail’… (pharma, HMO’s, ad nauseum…)
harry reid. what a dick.
Can’t we all just get along? Please, more posts about ponies and rainbows.
It’s going to be the classic response, though — a single error of fact in an outsider critique will be enough to discredit the entire article among mainstream tastemakers, whereas people like Krauthammer and Kristol and Kramer continue to have first-class podia from which to lecture us with their error-filled and -prone screeds.
It was ever thus.
Maybe it isn’t a conspiracy theory.
Maybe Fernholz has an axe to grind, too.
I would love to be a fly on the wall listening to Obama, Emanuel, Geithner and Summers discussing the plight of those on Main Street. What the fuck do these very rich and powerful men [and they are almost always men] know about living literally from paycheck to paycheck? What do they know about wallowing in the day to day anxiety that accompanies waiting for one pink slip, one health calamity, one stumble that takes them over the edge.
These are privileged gents living their privileged lives in their privileged Bilderberg world. They’ll go after the votes [and the consumer dollars] of their lessers, sure, but, like George Will, they don’t suffer denim beyond what they absolutely must.
Well, that’s one narrative anyway.
That’s the part of this piece that’s going to sting Rahm the most. “I am not low rent . . .”
I am pro-unicorn and anti-pony, myself.
How goes servitude to the oil-addicted?
And frankly, it doesn’t really make a whole lot of difference to me whether it’s Goldman Sachs or Bob Rubin. The result is the same.
Kudos on the analogies.
Of course Geithner’s a Wall Street tool. What Treasury Secretary isn’t? Obama wanted some Wall Street tools in there, especially at this time of crisis…the question is who really has the ear of the President, especially as the panic is disappearing but all the problems remain. The jury’s still out on that…Obama could turn out to be a secret Wall Street whore that’s trying to make up for his missed opportunity when he left his editorship of the Harvard Law Review to work as a community organizer. We’ll see…
I guess that actually looking at obama’s voting record as a Senator does not give any signals as to what he would do as Pres. He talked the talk, but when it was time to vote, he either didn’t show up or he went along with the party line. The easiest example is FISA. Then, when he chose rahm the pattern was fixed. geithner, summers, et al were just more of the same. obama wouldn’t even talk to progressive economists. For the true believers it was always that he was playing some 11th dimension chess game while the rest of us were stuck on a two dimensional board. obama didn’t allow his presidency to be hijacked, he has invited these people in deliberately. After all, he and harry felt that they could depend on joe LIE, and I think that joe LIE came through for them.
I’m on vacation. Will be in Manhattan for the next few days. Any firepups out there interested in knocking back a few drinks and solving the worlds problems?
Precisely, he had to preserve the confidence of the elites…a year ago people were really thinking revolution. Had he appointed someone I like such as Brooksley Born instead of Geithner, the system would have gone apeshit and probably wrecked his presidency. But now that people are starting to think he’s a closet Rubinite, in a matter of months, he could replace Geithner with Born or someone without much of a hiccup and be able to keep her there for 7 years.
Taibbi’s mistakes amount to the way he tells the story. It is just a story. Throwing up a bunch of names and implying causality in a number of things.
Here is another story. The financial boom lead by Wall Street since the mid 80′s was essentially criminal. The deals and derivatives often fraudulent. The longer it went on the worse it got. Virtually every MBS created after 2005 was a fraud. How exactly else could X trillion worth of mortgages create ‘value’ in XXX trillion of derivatives of said mortgages. It is impossible on it’s face.
Matt’s story my botch some facts or more often imply facts. Complex reality cannot be described with a few dozen facts, so a story is better. His is a good story. Closer to the truth than any 1000 hours of CNBC.
So why not just say what you think and skip the references?
Great baseball analogy in your last graph!
I’m not even a huge sports fan, and I still appreciated it. What a Phyrrhic victory, when you really stop to think about it. Win an election and lose the everything else.
well, whatever, but why then is he the one critiquing Obama more effectively than Taibbi?
That’s the part of the second sentence that’s a little weak. I agree that Obama didn’t get snookered; he knowingly *chose* the sniveling low-rent shitheads. It’s the waste of his political talent that frustrates me so much – he’s one of the very few politicians who could have sold the public on a progressive agenda, but he has no interest in doing so.
Carter Glass, Henry Morgenthau, Lloyd Bentsen, even John Connally and conceivably George Schultz, to name a few non-tools.
there ya go
ted, gay marriage bill got yanked from NJ senate by majority leader. didn’t have votes. getting it through the lame duck session looks like it’ll be tough indeed.
Yep.
vampire squid? I think I missed that one
hahahaahahah
he didnt have the balls to mimic FDR
“i want them to hate me”
My friends at GSE say this is all part of a plan. Assembly needs to go on record before the Senators will. Not sure I believe it, but you’ll see some real Jersey heartbreak if it doesn’t happen.
I would not be surprised to see the entire movement re-think its marriage focus, should we lose Jersey.
snicker. I hate arguing with someone who knows what they are talking about.
Some funny gay marriage signs in this slideshow from Huff Post
You want me to marry your sister? :)
is the magic-Phx game on espn later? anyone know?
Exactly. It’s a tremendous waste of potential.
Many Leftist ‘Conspiracists’ opposed his nomination from the outset…! Too many cited the same old song and dance… “Why appoint the fox to be in charge of the henhouse…?” Where’ve we heard that refrain before…? Ooh, I know where… The Bush administration…! 8-(
Yes, Eli, you are absolutely correct.
I wish we could graft some of Alan Grayson’s DNA onto him or something.
10:30 est
“Jesus Had Two Daddies” is a nice one.
ok. hope so. i had high hopes for NJ supreme court and that didn’t work out. i thought NJ would legalize marriage for everyone one way or another – court or legislature. but the churchies really have an organization. i guess you know that from CA as well as anyone.
actually… I thought he ran and won on change by pro-corporate incrementalism. That was the change we can count on. Unfortunately, some progs didn’t read the fine print. I’m sorry, I still think shouting betrayal is hypocitical here, even if I really am disgusted by what his administration has failed to do.
I like the one where the clown is holding up a Gay Sex is Sin sing and a guy covers sin with a sign reading FUN!
Ah, mikesong@26, please then indict Obama for his real failures.
Here ya go:
he seems to be very uncomfortable with ambivalence,and heated controversy….thats too bad really
aw that’s no fun
excellent. that’s my… team. i almost said that’s my boys. that would have been a poor choice of word, yes?
hopefully they’ll all want to play tonight.
Agreed. There was a line in the article somewhere that instead of a team of rivals, Obama got a team of Rubins. Then, there’s this line: “…he’s [Geithner's] a living symbol of the Rubinite gangrene crawling up the leg of this administration, although I wouldn’t limit the gangrene to this administration. Sadly, it is systemic in what’s left of our republic, imho.
Engulf and Devour from Silent Movie
So conspiracies are bad unless they are your conspiracies.
I try (not always successfully) to avoid the use of the betrayal frame, as I thought Obama was a pretty lukewarm centrist before the election. But that doesn’t mean that what he’s doing is good for the country in any way.
Which team? I’m watching the Georgia AAAA football championship game and listening to Rachel!
word
yeah. frustrating beyond measure. was thinking about what a sack o’ shit the HCR bill has become and about the escalation of the war and was thinking about the campaign and the inauguration and jeez i was bummed. so much….. well… hope.
That one is probably my favorite so far.
Exactly. I knew about the FISA reversal, had other reservations and voted for him anyway, because the alternative was unacceptable.
My vote did not endorse the prior poor behavior, and the betrayal argument is a strawman for sure.
Magic. They’re the only game in town in The City Beautiful. Only pro game anyway. i don’t follow h.s. football here. or college, really.
It’s like having Mario Batali to make you a grilled cheese sandwich with Velveeta cheese. Somehow, you get the feeling that maybe you’re missing something.
America is no longer a great and powerful nation without great and powerful financial institutions whose people move in and out of government. We in theory can have a more free and more fair and more just country or we can have a great and powerful nation. It is either or. Since a huge swath of the political elites and a good portion of the populace thinks the great nation is an existential necessity that is what they will serve.
Nick Anderson!
Howard Zinn is on with B.Moyers……….just fab
yeah. i second that “exactly.” i could never get the loons on the right wigging out about this “most liberal senator.’ he wasn’t. no way. still, HCR and the war……………. fucked up, man. verrry disappointing.
That seems to be exactly what’s making us a lesser and weaker nation, actually.
i like velveta. and their microwave mac & cheese…. good stuff.
when i see the Free Health Clinics,i know the nation is horribly askew
Seriously? I’d rather drink cooking oil.
Hi, Eli. How is the article flawed? I guess I enjoy his writing so much, he has a way of distilling the truth to an essence and expressing it provocatively, I missed that.
Fantastic…and the first segment, too. Thanks
Oh, I have the same problem. I almost don’t want to know the inaccuracies.
If you click the “may” link, it takes you to a Fernholtz piece debunking some real and imagined Taibbi errors. The “may not” link debunks the debunking.
YES!
What you do is put in whoever you have to at the top, and then insist that they hire specific people in slots, people who might get it right, to force change.
Eli’s first two links include the, um, takedown and response to Taibbi’s article.
Oh God.
He lives in town. Still works for the team. But he’s still remembered for that one thing – missing those 4 free throws in a row.
And for me it was the shot that beat Indiana in Bloomington on Superbowl Sunday.
the problem is that these same elites have, for the first time in historical memory, now managed to endanger our status as a great and powerful nation. Wiping out the world’s largest economy and pillaging the treasury isn’t sacrificing justice and equity to the cause of imperial glory – it’s just treasonous greed. This isn’t noblesse oblige or sacrifice for the greater glory of the empire. It’s just theft. Theft of the life boats from a sinking ship, capsized by the same thieves.
Yeah, but I’m afraid reading those will detract from my pleasure of reading the original piece.
Part of me is convinced Obama became a community organizer merely as a way in which to flesh out the resume he would need to pursue political office.
But: Is he really that cold and calculating?
I don’t know. How could I?
I just get pissed off at the things he does [and the things he does not do] and project that into him personally.
His Wall Street policies cause millions of people unnecessary pain; and by rewarding those who caused the pain in the first place.
Aside from his actual motives.
Barack Obama, November 3rd, 2008:
We are in the middle of the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression. 760,000 workers have lost their jobs this year. Businesses and families can’t get credit. Home values are falling. Pensions are disappearing. It’s gotten harder and harder to make the mortgage, or fill up your gas tank, or even keep the electricity on at the end of the month.
At a moment like this, the last thing we can afford is four more years of the tired, old theory that says we should give more to billionaires and big corporations and hope that prosperity trickles down to everyone else. The last thing we can afford is four more years where no one in Washington is watching anyone on Wall Street because politicians and lobbyists killed common-sense regulations. Those are the theories that got us into this mess. They haven’t worked, and it’s time for change. That’s why I’m running for President of the United States.
[snip]
After twenty-one months and three debates, Senator McCain still has not been able to tell the American people a single major thing he’d do differently from George Bush when it comes to the economy.
John McCain just doesn’t get it. Remember what he said when he was here on September 15th?
That day, more than 5,000 jobs were lost and more than 7,000 homes were foreclosed on. The day before, former Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan said we were in a “once in a century” crisis.
[snip]
Well, Florida, you and I know that’s not only fundamentally wrong, it also sums up his out-of-touch, on-your-own economic philosophy. It’s a philosophy that says we should give a $700,000 tax cut to the average Fortune 500 CEO and $300 billion to the same Wall Street banks that got us into this mess. It’s a philosophy that says we shouldn’t give a penny of relief to more than 100 million middle-class Americans. And it’s a philosophy that will end when I am President of the United States of America.
Look, we’ve tried it John McCain’s way. We’ve tried it George Bush’s way. Deep down, Senator McCain knows that, which is why his campaign said that “if we keep talking about the economy, we’re going to lose.” That’s why I’m talking about the economy. That’s why he’s spent these last weeks calling me every name in the book. Because that’s how you play the game in Washington. When you can’t win on the strength of your ideas, you make a big election about small things.
[snip]
Florida, at this moment, in this election, we have the chance to do more than just beat back this kind of politics in the short-term. We can end it once and for all. We can prove that the one thing more powerful than the politics of anything goes is the will and determination of the American people. We can change this country. Yes we can.
[snip]
When it comes to health care, we don’t have to choose between a government-run health care system and the unaffordable one we have now. If you already have health insurance, the only thing that will change under my plan is that we will lower premiums. If you don’t have health insurance you’ll be able to get the same kind of health insurance that Members of Congress get for themselves. And as someone who watched his own mother spend the final months of her life arguing with insurance companies because they claimed her cancer was a pre-existing condition and didn’t want to pay for treatment, I will stop insurance companies from discriminating against those who are sick and need care most. That’s the change we need. That’s why I’m running for President of the United States.
Just saying….
what a great cut and paster
Nice baseball metaphor, Eli! Looks like you’re fishing for an appearance on Countdown!
That’s awesome – why didn’t we elect *that* guy?
My favorite comment to Tim Fernholz um, takedown;
3 comments say you are a douchebag, tim.
let’s make it four, shall we ?
Posted by: yer a douchebag tim | December 11, 2009 3:52 PM
because he did not exist…an apparition in an empty suit
was i at that speech? the one I was at he talked about pie.
hehe. please be sure to bring that up again when the debate on cap and trade comes up again… Goldman, Sachs already has a plan to make the mother of all financial killings on carbon credits and carbon credit derivatives.
Well, We Did.
And I am sick to death of the frikking apologists who say crap like “you didn’t understand what he said; he’s only doing what he said.”
No. He’s. Not.
He’s done an about face, a 180 degree, and like it or lump it, that’s what we have.
“you didn’t understand what he said; he’s only doing what he said.”
and no pie, either
Sorry, forgot the link for the actual text of the speech ONE DAY BEFORE the election:
From his own website: http://www.barackobama.com/2008/11/03/remarks_of_senator_barack_obam_155.php
He’s not fucking doing the major pieces of what he said he’d do.
Hmmm KellyC
which is why one shouldn’t vote on mood speeches. My problem was with his campaign’s near total lack of solid solutions not with his ability to set the right mood. shrub set the right mood with his propaganda too. Then he shot us all in the back.
“Rubin was the man Barack Obama chose to build his White House around.” Or maybe he merely built his White House around economic policy experts who had been mid-level officials in the previous Democratic administration? To my knowledge, Rubin has not been involved with policymaking efforts.”
Rubin was made to scram when the shit on Wall street hit fan. To call Lawrence and Geithner mid level is totally fucking disingenuous.
The forgotten little factoid: “Summers was on the staff of the Council of Economic Advisers under President Reagan from 1982-1983.”
havin a stroke there are ya?
Ain’t that the truth…! Obama is caving into the status quo at a perilous rate…! I highlighted some of his foreign policy failings…! 8-(
and he made it clear over and over… this won’t be easy. it won’t come about overnight. i’d cut him all kinds of slack if he was going in the right direction. stimulus was to timid, war escalation is wrong, health care reform is a mess. didn’t have to be that way.
My position is very clear.
http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/12/11/hhs-knew-about-reids-annual-limit/#comment-69161
which position, like it or lump it?
fuckno will be glad to talk with you I am sure.
oh yea, why don’t you type in all caps and bold so everyone knows just how pissed off you are?
Too true, BFL…!
That’s right – you see your moment and you double down.
Well put.
precisely
Bait me all you like. I have a very clear position with facts and links to what was said and promised.
Make a counter argument.
Taibbi has exposed the motivations of most of these folks…greed…and a system that makes them, their families and friends wealthy. I’m wondering if the simple solution is to insist that our representatives must live lives of ascetics…single, living lives of Gandhi-like poverty, and truly be public servants. Of course that might lead to a counter-attack, as happened to the true early Christians and the
Catharii.
I think that our current bunch misunderstand what “Serving the Public” means. They have taken it to mean treating us as a huge banquet…to take every dollar we have earned through our sweat, tears, long aching days, and sleepless nights and to return it to the corporate executive, politician, and their obedient minions.
we’ll just have to agree to disagree on this point. I find myself writing the same critiques of his positions here now as I did in early 2008. Never liked the candidate.. don’t particularly like the president either. I’m a wonk… I admit it. I look at hard numbers… and I’m automatically opposed to politicians who refuse to provide them when asked. The mere ability of certain candidates to repeat words like “change” over and over again whilst refusing to provide the most rudimentary explanations of the math behind the words is basically proof to me that the guy will be at best a failure and a worst a cheat.
Mmmmmm…. cooking oil.
There is always this possibility.
The idea being that he really is committed to “changing the way Washington works” but had he done so [re the economic crisis] the global economy itself might have collapsed all around him [and us]. Once that is back on more stable ground, he’ll aim the rewards at Main Street.
I just don’t buy it. Obama has lived among and around the Bilderberg crowd now for years and years. What little experience he had among the “bitter folks” was crammed into his political trajectory way back when in the 1980s.
He’s now on top of the world and only those who are clamoring to get up there with him have his ear. From the healthcare industrial complex to the military industrial complex money talks a language all its own. Obama is quite fluent in it now. And if he gets confused occasionally, Rubin, Emanuel, Geithner and Summers are more than capable of filling in the blanks.
Well, unless of course I’m wrong.
watching Olbermans free Medical clinics,is so very disturbing to me…the fact that these people have to beg for care,disturbs me to the core
Well, then I am not articulating properly.
I disagreed with him then on FISA and Afghanistan, I disagree now on those same issues which is no surprise, and I claim he was prevaricating on other issues where one could not disagree with him at that time prior to election.
Is that more clear?
So 95% of the people here agree with you and you rant on.
“fuckno will be glad to talk with you I am sure.”
Raven, can you please hew to the topic at hand, contribute something more than the brain-farts of a bean brain calling himself Raven because he’s misplaced his dapper cap feather in his ass?
There was the Obama he said he was, there was the Obama we *thought* he was, and there’s the Obama he turned out to be. Each one worse than the last.
Please don’t do that. You don’t know Raven.
To each his own.
He was my dog that died fuckno.
you’ll recall that he was asked repeatedly during the campaign to provide specific policy proscriptions and the justifications for those proscriptions on the environment, healthcare, financial reform and the economy. He repeatedly and consistently refused to do so, and what details he did provide, he refused to answer questions on.
You’re probably right on FISA and Afghanistan, but I honestly didn’t pay much attention to his foreign policy as I typically vote on domestic positions, and I’m pretty hawkish myself on foreign policy and national security.. ‘cept for torture which I categorically despise.
You can characterize my comments however you like.
You must notice though, I have not characterized yours.
Yeah.
Only the nameplate on the door is different.
“Powerful” is easy enough to calculate: just tally up the GDP, the bombs, the military bases around the globe.
“Great” on the other hand can never be pinned down. It is always predicated on whatever particular moral and political values you subscribe to.
And going all the way back to the pre-Socratics we have ever been arguing over that in a completely fruitless and futile attempt to decide what this actually is.
In my view, three things are fundamentally crucial in the pursuit of greatness:
1]
a willingness to anchor human social political and economic interaction to the rule of law
2]
a willingness to offer as many people as possible the opportunity to succeed
3]
the existence of a strong and stable middle class
Right – look at the Florida speech I excerpted. It was all domestic, and short on policy, but long on presumptive promise.
It ain’t happening, and that’s my point.
I didn’t give him money after the FISA thing. I gave to the DNC instead. (But not that much money.)
Why the bumper sticker on my car reads ‘Get Disappointed By Someone New‘.
g
I take strong issue with the whole notion that Obama is either eloquent or charismatic. And as for bridging some racial divide that is more a credit to those that elected him, not to Obama.
On the first point Obama is not eloquent he is a liar. Once you catch on you see that what he says is practiced and insincere. There is an arrogance and posturing that you see in a cheap two bit actor.
It all adds up to nothing more than self delusion on his part. He is convinced that he can make others believe him but he is unconvincing. He is of a sort with Bill Clinton. They both leave you with a feeling of false sincerity and disgust.
As for charisma that is up to you. What one may find charismatic I am only maddened by the sight of the man.
Neither is he a once in a generation talent. Enough of this cheap crap. He is a weakling and a prevaricator. He is clueless as to what he wants to achieve and he is far along in achieving nothing of note. Not because events just conspired against him, but because he is flawed and unable to take advantage of what was layed on his lap.
He is basically a sycophant in awe of wealth basting in what he believes is his natural state. A poor deluded nuveau riche sap.
Thanks Twain, don’t sweat it though.
Sorry to nitpick, but it’s clearly 99% or more.
I just cited Spencer today saying the same thing…
*g*
Comedy gold. Thanks for the laugh.
Raven – let me put it this way; did you get what you wanted in leadership when you voted for President?
If you say yes, fine with me. You got what you wanted. We just happen to disagree on what we wanted.
mikesong,
apparently Tim Fernholz has a reputation as a second hand hack, yet if you don’t care for Taibbi’s assessment of Obama’s loyalties, how about Barry Rietholz’s? At least her’s a name of note and not some hack ‘wannabe’.
When Did Obama Sellout To Wall Street?
http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/12/did-obama-sellout-to-wall-street/
and what is that supposed to mean, Twain?
I’m sure someone else by now has taken apart the Am. Pros. piece. Matt got the Ruben guy wrong, it seems.
Every other point AP makes AGAINST Matt is weaker n a well drink at a cheap casino.
There’s a comment at the AP thread, that spells out the glaring weakness of Tim’s rebuttal at Matt.
I won’t go into detail here . . .
You don’t really know any of us. Most of us have been around a long time – you have not.
I’m sorry to say that I agree… disappointment we can believe in
Yes! Exactly.
Thank the Flying Spaghetti Monster that Rosa Parks, MLK, Susan B. Anthony, Emma Goldman, Gandhi, and countless others didn’t have your attitude. See, they believed in “incrementalism” and understood that these things are generational fights that aren’t solved in a year or less.
Perhaps you and most others here have some online petitions to sign or something…sitting here…at your computers…
Twain, go back and read the thread: I did not go at Raven! More over, having marked this blog with urine doe’s not make it your’s or his dead dog’s exclusive romping place. I’m beginning to wonder whether justice did not indeed have your number yesterday.
That is quite an assumption you are making. I call shit on that statement. Most of the people I know who are commenting here work hard at reform. Both on and off the computer. geez.
What does “doe’s” have to do with it? The thread/community are quite open, as you surely notice. It’s an exchange and not a romping place. Why are you being demeaning?
Where exactly did you fucking come from? You didn’t used to be here. You are a provocatuer .
Dood…! What’s this…? ;-)
You had us worried for a spell…!
You are simply amazing. I don’t know why you have this fetish about me but every time I say something you decide to take me on. Let me be clear. You are like the playground bully. You came into this blog a short while ago and apparently thought that you were going to run the place and that everyone had to agree with you. I am tired of you and your attitude so STFU!
why don’t check the time line, before pouncing?
yes that was a cheap shot
Sorry, after spending months getting called a mindless Obamatron and troll for leaving long, respectful, and constructive comments that just happen to go against the prevailing opinions here, I’m starting to get a little punchy.
Well, the few end-of-week glasses of wine might have something to do with it too…
First, you take Manhattan.
THEN, you take Berlin.
*G*
Enjoy, hoss.
No, dahling – you decide to take me on when you throw accusations that don’t hold water! Check it!
The impudence of youth…
You take care now. Wish I had some wine.
It is, isn’t it?
I would argue that hard national power has been irredeemably compromised by these jokers. A bankrupt country can’t buy as many missiles or warships as a solvent and prosperous one, and a manifestly corrupt country weakens itself in diplomacy vis a vis the rest of the world. How can we say that under these people we’ve become more powerful when other powers hold trillions of our squandered debt, when much of the world ranks the US unfavorably compared to our principle strategic rivals as a threat to global security, when our oldest and closest allies are demanded that we cut back or shut down our overseas military basis, when they don’t even want our warships calling on their port anymore, when we’re bogged down in and arguably losing wars, when our oil companies are getting tossed out of concessions not because they’re getting outbid but because nobody wants to cut loaded and unfair deals with us, when the Indian Ocean has become, in a few short years, a Chinese lake surrounded by a large and growing network of their bases, when Russia thumbs is noses at US interests and our European allies openly applaud them, when we don’t even have a safe domestic water supply anymore and 20 millions a year get sick over basic waterborne diseases ’cause we can’t pay for basic levels of maintenance for infrastructure, when the dollar is the sick man of global finance?
doggies…
scrooooooooooooll…
okay beddie by…night all
Thanks ever so much for telling me I don’t know anything.
Tell me why I’ve been here for years?
g’nite sadly, give Bazzie and the rest a hug from me
“There you go again….”
Hey, y’all. Please tell SD hello if he checks in & remind him to watch Moyers….it is very good tonight. Say Good night, Gracie…night, gracie. Cheers.
Twain,
I came in at 118, at 123 my name gratuitously appeared under Raven’s handle.
Check it. The rest is what it is.
The mood on the threads lately prolly helped as much as the wine.
For Ghu’s sake, stop digging that hole.
If you want everyone but mikesong to think of you as a troll, you’re doing a really good job of it.
G’Nite Gracie. Peace to you.
care to comment on the first part of my comment though, about all these history makers who understood these were generational fights, and many of whom never even saw the fruits of their labors in their lifetimes, yet they still believed enough to go full blast until the day they died?
Raven, please tell me where you found this comment.
http://firedoglake.com/2009/12/11/two-sentences-by-matt-taibbi/#comment-2031762
Let’s not paint Grayson all that desirable considering his take on a few issues . . . which I can’t name off the top of my head, but others will . . . I don’t trust that guy, as much as I like him, I don’t trust him for real prog issues.
At least not ALL of them, and without all of them, ya can’t trust an elected offal farther than you can spit OR pee.
Dude, you are being a dingus. Must I school you again?
Look, this joint is an activist spot. A nexus for coordinated action. To change things.
Like I said before, are you in it to whine or to win?
Separate feeling from fact. When you have a feeling, say it’s a feeling, and that it’s different from other people’s feelings is natural, doesn’t make them a monster.
But you’re not entitled to your own facts. You don’t have to like them, and indeed, say you do not like a fact.
But just cool it with people. Unless you just enjoy being annoying.
I have never been able to pee that far.
Grayson is a bulldog who never backs down, and the Democrats need a lot more of that.
liar
There is some reason his name isn’t fuckyes.
It’s a girl thing, sweetie.
I am shocked!
I understand your frustration. The problem is that we are in dire need right now and we don’t have a generation or two to fix things. There are some things that Obama could repair right now. I supported him and expected great things. Now, if I let myself, I think I would sit in the middle of the floor and howl. I am very worried, not just because he’s not a progressive, but because I don’t know what he heck he is or where he is going.
Well, duh. :)
Ya just need some altitude and a good tailwind…
Oh, wait… that was me… never mind.
But Mommie, Raven did it, too!
‘Spose one of those funnel thingies with the long tube would help too.
Huh, Mario would take you to Spain, get you drunk, let you hang with Gwynneth Paltrow and that other dude, maybe get laid and he’d STILL cook the fucking grilled cheese with velveeta over grape vines in an open wood fire in a vinyard while getting schnockered at lunch in the middle of the day.
I like Mario. *G* He’s a rascal.
But. See. Here’s the thing….we actually really like Raven.
Difference.
Pithy! La Poetessa!
Look, I’m just all Rodney King here. Can’t we all get along?
The answer is “no”, which is fine. I’d just prefer that comity rule the day.
I’d just prefer that
comitycomedy rule the day.(Wait a minute. I clicked on #202 not on #197, I think)
I read the article and I say this Obama has sold us out period. The only way to correct this situation is ask for resignation of Geithener and everyone at the top level of the Treasury Dept period. The same for Summer and his team cause there only concern is for wallstreet not mainstreet.At the same time he need not reappoint Berdanke he also part of the problem. The only man who has spent trillions of dollars and will not disclose what he did with the money. By the way some in congress are already saying these people should be fired I agree with them. The fact is only Obama can correct this situation and I hope he does it sooner than later.
Being a great and powerful nation?
What kinda shit is that?
Are you INTO imposing our nations will upon the rest of the planet?
Sometimes, I don’t agree with yer words.
That’s because I dance around pretty fast.
I’d prefer a substantive argument for an attack.
I believe I responded in an appropriate manner, neither ad hom, nor personal in any way. If I did, please point that out to me. I really tried not to do so.
I have yet to receive a response from Raven.
As long as you dance with me we will be just fine.
Dude, will you NEVER stop busting people’s balls and vagina’s over ANYthing that amuses ya?
Come on, shooting in the same foxhole ain’t kewl after most of them are dead.
And it’s not sardonic wit, no matter HOW you think your sarcasm is . . . LIGHTEN UP ON YE PUPS!
(killin me)
Hey, I’m down with the idea of an America strong and prosperous enough to offer good wages and affordable healthcare to all.
*clink*
Eli, need an addy to send you the bill.
You killed my keyboard.
And a nice post, too . . . I disagree with a bit, but it’s not worth mentioning in detail.
The keyboard, is. *G*
*G*
Loved that one!
Prefer what you like.
I’m sure someone has already covered it…
I was merely questioning rapier’s contention that our elites have succeeded in projecting national power at the expense of domestic justice and prosperity. Instead, they’ve failed on both accounts, horrifically.
But to your subtext, I’ve made no secret of the fact that I’m a Dem with hawkish foreign policy tendancies relative to the peacenik arm of our party. One can be progressive on domesic policies while favoring an assertively internationalist realpolitik (as opposed to one that bogs us down in silly vanity wars in Iraq).
Did I say anything to attack Raven personally? I didn’t think I did. If I did, tell me.
It was such a bizarre argument that I wondered whether it was actually sarcasm.
That’s as good a summary as to why we should doubt Obama as many two page treatsies on the same subject.
That was good, thanks, I enjoyed that immensely.
Gregg Levine is upstairs!
Late Night: How the Joe Stole Health Care
Please, we can’t allow ourselves the luxury of Troll Hunting. I know, it’s fun. But it means the paid trolls can confiscate the dialog. That’s what they’re in training to do. They probably don’t have a real income living on Daddy’s money, so this is their way of feeling useful and meaningful. And loaded to the gills with good coke.
Let’s not give them that satisfaction.
I like pie, although I found this one a little stringy.
You want that in the animal fat lard for deep fry or the extra virgin Spanish or Ital Olive oil?
I just said what I said.
I haven’t received a retainer or nuthin’.
This tree ain’t worth barkin’ up.
mmmmm
Cabbage-Patch pie.
Nerves are frazzled over the health care debacle and everything else. Seems to make it more difficult for folks to resist the bait.
Thanks for the thoughtful response.
I hear ya and understand the frustration. I obviously don’t know your background, but for an example I’ll say that single-payer healthcare has been one of main issues for my entire adult life. I even organized a public forum in my community at the time to discuss the issue in 1992. My cohorts and I were excited about Hillary’s advocacy for healthcare reform, even though we really disliked Bill (and our hunches about him unfortunately proved true).
The failure of any “reform” at that time killed our momentum and stalled our efforts for more than decade. Never in my adult life have we had more advances in this issue as we have had this last year. This is why I’m frustrated with the defeatist attitude that dominates in many Liberal circles. This is the beginning, not the end of the single-payer movement.
That’s why I’ve consistently made the argument around here in support of “incrementalism,” especially in a historical context, and why I feel Obama is the perfect person to be in the White House right now to get some big things done over the next few years.
I offer that again in hopes that you don’t feel the need to howl and worry. So many things are at our fingertips right now. We should by nothing but motivated and encouraged right now, in my opinion. We just gott fire up and make it happen. Thanks again.
Knit picker. :)
You’re sweet and smart and well, I could go on, but you know…public place and all.
Politico and Rasmussen got it at only 63%.
Everyone I know…work, family, here.
I’m trying to fly below the radar these days.
What she said.
And some others are frying my ass too.
Newbies.
Raven’s beggin to remind me of the grumpy old uncle.
Thank ya verra much. Be certain to check out Gregg’s holiday themed post upstairs.
I like Raven. I think Raven likes to stir up chaos and laugh about it. Like a Raven.
The crows are my favorite birds, lived on the shoreline for 17 years with the crows. They do have my deep respect.
The ravens just schwoosh by with their magnificent wing power. They don’t hang out.
Me included. You’re right.
What is it?
The truth!
Out of the muse.
Rather rant political, the fodder and inspiration there is endless, is it not?
Mahalo, ya island livin lovin mango feeder! (jealous, just jealous I am)
*G*
OK, OK… enough with the forks and knives…
Gregg’s brilliant Late Night is right here.
I should clarify this by saying that I do not support shrubian unilateralism in any form. I think that we need to function cooperatively in a true multilateral framework. But I also believe that this framework only maintains the peace when it’s principal actors reserve the capability to project a credible military and diplomatic deterrant. Until recently, the US was the best equipped to serve this role in a trustworthy manner – until our leaders failed us and undermined both that role capability and that perceived trustworthiness. Now I honestly don’t know what we can do to salvage the mess that we are in.
Ok, yet another pet peeve of mine as it hinders my limited ability to understand WHAT the fuck you are trying to say.
A little sentence pause here n there, a comma, a period.
Some sentence and paragraph breaks, too.
Your run on scribe is harder to read and fathom than the musings of Kerouac. . . .
“So in America when the sun goes down and I sit on the old broken-down river pier watching the long, long skies over New Jersey and sense all that raw land that rolls in one unbelievable huge bulge over to the West Coast, and all that road going, all the people dreaming in the immensity of it, and in Iowa I know by now the children must be crying in the land where they let the children cry, and tonight the stars’ll be out, and don’t you know that God is Pooh Bear? the evening star must be drooping and shedding her sparkler dims on the prairie, which is just before the coming of complete night that blesses the earth, darkens all rivers, cups the peaks and folds the final shore in, and nobody, nobody knows what’s going to happen to anybody besides the forlorn rags of growing old, I think of Dean Moriarty, I even think of Old Dean Moriarty the father we never found, I think of Dean Moriarty.”
Rut Roh . . . .
I can appreciate that. I’ve wanted to PEE of a few elected offals in my time, but never could reach them.
You ARE aware that he’s building a rep for his future political career?
You ARE aware he’s been WAY on the wrong side of a couple of huge issues which I forget but have been pointed out here at FDL and other places?
You ARE aware of this? For THIS we wasted our money on more than a few electeds come Blue Dogs.
Pick them CAREFULLY, Eli, CAREFULLY!!!!
Grayson has yet to prove he’s worthy . . . he’s just barked a lot and made is snark lovers happy.
Sigh, they turn on each other so easily these days . . . /s
now you’re just trying to be hurtful.
Bill. Keyboard.
I’ll have the AR Bike Path cyclers dump it off on yer lawn as they pass by tomorrow.
And don’t gimme none of that ‘the deer ate the bill’ shit, either, lady . . . . ;-)
Mixed… But on the worthiness scale, he is ahead of no less than four hundred of his brethren in the House. And gaining.
A well schooled woman of the outdoors can shoot and guide streams like a nozzle out of a fire hose.
Or so I’ve heard. I’ve just seen their names in the snow.
Kelly you ignorant slut how could you be so stupid?
*G*
Insolance, rains.
Very interesting program. Who could have foreseen that the financial world might collapse due to unregulated derivatives? Brooksley Born.
Yes, I’m all about the internal anymore, too.
We had a history where we did the external thing, I GUESS it was a good thing we did in WW2.
But we’ve LONG passed the point of that rescue, or the need for it.
Time to come home, close the military doors, open the diplomacy doors, and use our might for only the good of humanity.
Yes, it’s the Merlot waxing wishfully . . . just a red grape dream . . . back to reality . . *G*
Damn yer a funny fellow . . . thanks and don’t ever LOST that . . . it keeps us ALL alive and a bit saner. ;-)
There are NO reasons to be hawkish in a military way beyond our shores in this day and age.
None.
But it’s a free country, and you are welcome to your pov.
Thanks, but I fear it’s getting more and more gallows-y every day.
That was nice, I enjoyed reading that . . . thanks.
Sounds good to me.
(If we can get understandable explanations of what the health insurance actually covers and how much it actually costs, even better.)
(not sure if that was directed at me, and don’t really care…)
It’s been rather comical to be called a “paid troll” and some of the other things I’ve been called here ever since I started suggesting that Obama might be a better candidate than John Edwards, who was a dominate front-runner here and some other leading Liberal blogs like DKos.
Especially since I’ve been a regular reader here, and commenter shortly thereafter, since some of the earliest days. I remember a comment thread in the blogspot days when people were excited that there were 20 comments.
Now, some of the “regulars” who dominate the threads and call any dissenting view a “troll” started showing up here years after that point. Funny, that.
You pretty much nailed a bit of the native american history regarding the Raven.
Nicely done.
I’d say it’s a whole lot stingy.
Ravens like to play, too. Never seen a crow play.
Most of us could benefit from more fiber.
Nope, I hate reading shit without breaks and punctuation.
Just tellin ya how I feel.
You want me to GET what you say it’s gotta be easier to read.
I know, I’m nobody . . . but others might feel the same, too.
And YOUR positions would be more clear to us all, and likely, proven to jive with ours, as well!
Sorry. Just break it up a bit, please? Make it easier for me to read . . .
I’m way too jaded and careful and mistrustful anymore to fall this fast . . . *G*
Thanks to you too. I always appreciate your sentiments and the nice balance you have of having strong opinions, yet also open to healthy and honest debate.
Good on ya, hoss.
well, gee, thanks for that vote of confidence in my right to have an opinion that differs from your own, I think.
Look, I don’t engage in ad hominen attacks on the writing style of my non-troll fellow commenters. Nor do I mock their opinions. If I disagree I will say so and provide what I hope are credible (or at
least, entertaining) reasons why I disagree.
I don’t think it’s too much for me to ask that you at least try to do the same.
Rainbows? RAINBOWS? Why surely you know what RAINBOWS stand for!!!!
And as for ponies, don’t they just shit in the punchbowl?
Single-payer/Medicare-for-all would be my preference. I agree with Jane that it’s not politically viable right now (hell, it’s hard enough just getting a public option without trading away women’s reproductive rights), but it seems like such a manifestly great deal that I’m still kind of amazed that that’s the case.
Such is the whammy the corporations and their pet media have put on our national psyche, and even more importantly, such are the hooks the insurance industry has in our politicians.
obama is a politican first and foremost.
he knows what it will take to win in 2012
the only way he can be defeated is if a third party takes away his votes and allows a rep in office.
the liberals like the demos are too timid to do that.
and the independents are all over the place.
no it will take much more suffering due to the decline of our wealth to cause a voter revolution. as if one in eight families on food stamps is not enough suffering.
not really americans are one of the selfish nations on earth with their capitalism and individualism of survival of the fittest mentality.
dont let the religious fool you their bake sales are to make them think they are good christain people doing jesus work while they defeat health care reform for all.
check history things have to get really bad before people will get up off their lazy boys or off their cell phones to change the system.
the have mores play the middle class like a fine violin.
ask reagan how easy the middle class are to fool.
give them a slogan and you got them. ie gov is not the solution it is the problem.
ask the heating and air guy today why we dont have the money for health insurance for all in america.
he did not have a clue.
few americans do.
it is called the industrial military complex.$$$$$$$$
we are imperialists to the core and dont have a clue we are.
he hated the gov but had no idea where our money is going.
the genius of the have mores throughout history is the have mores have raped the have nots and the have nots dont have a clue what to do.
in america the have nots actually think their vote counts and their politicans care for their needs.
the health insurance debate and so called reform is the have mores best acting yet. most of the have nots actually think the demos are trying to have reform.
at least the repubs dont need to act they admit their desire to represent corp america and the industrial military complex and our wars for profits.
fools! in america follow the money then you will see who wash really represents. all of them. the system is rigged.
I didn’t see it as an attack. Large blocks of text really *are* harder to read. It’s something I struggle with myself – lots of times I end up breaking paragraphs in places that just don’t feel right, rather than have a giant undigestible block of text.
Which that probably was…
“jive with ours”
There is no ours. There is a broad cross section of progressive viewpoints in this country, all of which are represented in this forum. I would hope that, as liberals, we don’t do litmus tests and commisar-like enforcement of party orthodoxy like the worst of our Republican friends.
This is the point I try to make again and again in “discussions” with Obama apologists. Most of us aren’t criticizing him for not producing a miracle in less than a year. What we’re criticizing him for is that he doesn’t try, he doesn’t seem to care, and, yes, he’s not going in the right direction.
As a matter of fact, he’s putting a LOT of effort into going in the wrong ones.
I keep hearing that “Once he has us back on our feet, he will fire the thieves he
keptbrought in to straighten up the joint.”This I do not believe, and time is NOT on his or our side.
I agree.
Progessives have never had sufficient numbers to form an enduring governing majority. The last thing we need to do is litmus test anyone left of center out into the political wilderness.
In terms of power, our current situation is about as good as it is
likely to get anytime soon.
His 30 billion a year for the 30,000 additional troops in his speech on Afghanistan is not the true cost. Does not include contractors, which is over 100,000, pay offs, maintenance of the ANA, which Afghanistan cannot afford the upkeep for, and other expenses. Numbers won’t do if they’re not accurate.
Here’s a takedown of Fernholz by a man who does know his stuff: Felix Salmon:
Fernholz vs Taibbi:
Fernholz: “Is it disconcerting that employees of the financial industry make a ton of money? Yes. Is it the revolving door between Washington and Wall Street problematic? Yes. Does the Administration take it too easy on the banks? Absolutely. Are White House advisers too centrist for progressive tastes? Sure. But when you try and tell that story with a lot of lies and innuendo, and misunderstand the basic policies that these people are producing, you don’t hurt them. Now anyone who criticizes the Administration will just be lumped in with Taibbi’s meandering conspiracy…
Doing the work is hard. But if you want to make a dent, you have to do it.”
Salmon: “This is quite astonishing. Fernholz is basically saying that Taibbi is right, and that not only is he right but that he will now and henceforth utterly overshadow anyone else who’s criticizing the Obama administration from the left. At the same time, however, despite Taibbi’s astonishing ability to encapsulate and personify the entire group of people who criticize the administration, he’s not even going to manage to “make a dent”, because he’s not going about his job in an evenhanded J-school manner.
Personally, I love it that Taibbi exists, and I’m impressed that his 6,500-word screed (into which a great deal of work clearly went) in fact has very little in the way of factual errors, let alone “lies”. Yes, Taibbi is polemical and one-sided, and he exaggerates his thesis, and he’s entertaining; I daresay he’s learned a lot from watching Fox News. And no, I would never want to live in a world where everybody wrote like that. But Taibbi is one of a kind, and we can enjoy him and learn from him as such. He might not end up changing policy in Washington. But he’s doing a much better job of making the policy debate relevant to Rolling Stone’s readership than anything Tim Fernholz has ever done.”
Read it, worth while: http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/12/11/fernholz-vs-taibbi/
Next to Climate Change, Matt Taibbi’s current Wall Street beat is more important to pay keen attention to than even HCR. Failed HCR while heaping misery upon a population already in deep shock, is not likely to, on it’s own, have the ability to bring the American economy to a screeching halt. Wall Street in tacit collusion with our government, certainly can. Paying attention to the rarefied relationship between the Banksters and our Government which, without hyperbole, may well be described as Fascism; may well be the most important task the American public should feel personally dialed into.
“Bernie Sanders, as he did earlier in the year with the nomination of Gary Gensler of the CFTC, is placing a hold on the re-nomination of Ben Bernanke to the chairmanship of the Fed. I wonder sometimes if Bernie is the only Senator who is actually worrying about who is running our key financial institutions.
The problem with the Fed is that almost nobody outside the financial community understands how it works, and as a result the popular outrage over its behavior is not nearly at the level it should be. The Greenspan legacy of providing a sort of permanent, built-in backstop for Wall Street by continually loosening the money supply every time the financial services sector blows itself up in this or that idiotic speculative craze is something that should make every citizen muy enojado. Now it’s even worse — direct bailouts of companies and billions in discount window lending coupled with zero transparency, zero taxpayer access to the Fed’s books.”
http://trueslant.com/matttaibbi/
I think that’s right. The Obama agenda bus has not been hijacked by Goldman Sachs and the Rubinites; Obama hired them to drive it.
This is exactly true and we will not be able to fix it with legislation. It is like asking the fox to guard the chickens. This is what will make the people rise up.What we need is elections paid for by the government. Short election cycles and term limitations.
The legislation needs to be more like jury duty. People need to be forced to participate in government. Have a random drawing select a pool of residents to fill the legislation openings. Then a panel vet them down to the top 10 candidates. After a series of debates throughout the area a primary to pick the top 2 or 3 candidates and a runoff vote held. These people would hold office for only 1 slightly longer term. There would be no need for money raising for reelection and greatly reduced chance of corporate influence.
Unfortunately who will vote to eliminate their own job.
Fernholz’s piece was a mess. I fact checked three of his claims against what Taibbi actually wrote and in each case Fernholz completely got it wrong. Felix Salmon cited above caught some of the same ones I did, plus when Frenholz “corrected” Taibbi saying that Biden and his adviser didn’t focus on regulatory reform, Fernholz “correction” of Taibbi was to point out that Biden worked on stimulus and jobs sometimes. Uhm, okay.
It appears that Taibbi may have called the Ruben he was critiquing by the wrong first name. That was about it. Fernholz turning that into “Hoo-boy, what a mess” regarding the entire article was ridiculous. Typical TNR nonsense, basically there to uphold the status qou. I look forward to Taibbi’s rebuttal of Fernholz, he usually rips them to shreds. Salmon already did.
It’s all going to make a lot more sense when you stop thinking Obama has been “hijacked” or is somebody’s “tool” and start realising that he his pursuing an agenda he has always had.
“It’s all going to make a lot more sense when you stop thinking Obama has been “hijacked” or is somebody’s “tool” and start realising that he his pursuing an agenda he has always had.”
Which is basically what Matt Taibbi wrote. His last paragraph is this:
“What’s most troubling is that we don’t know if Obama has changed, or if the influence of Wall Street is simply a fundamental and ineradicable element of our electoral system. What we do know is that Barack Obama pulled a bait-and-switch on us. If it were any other politician, we wouldn’t be surprised. Maybe it’s our fault, for thinking he was different.”
It’s interesting in all this how few of the critics seem to have actually read Taibbi’s piece, or in Fernholz’s case, read it with any care or comprehension at least.
“Thank the Flying Spaghetti Monster that Rosa Parks, MLK, Susan B. Anthony, Emma Goldman, Gandhi, and countless others didn’t have your attitude. See, they believed in “incrementalism” and understood that these things are generational fights that aren’t solved in a year or less.”
I had to read that twice and on second reading I decided that surely you were being sarcastic. Because exactly what Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks, and the others did NOT believe in was “incrementalism.” I see now that you were being sincere.
In that case I remind you of these words from Dr. King’s 1963 “I have a Dream” speech.
“We have also come to this hallowed spot to remind America of the fierce urgency of Now. This is no time to engage in the luxury of cooling off or to take the tranquilizing drug of gradualism. Now is the time to make real the promises of democracy.”
I also recommend Dr. King’s “Letter from a Birmingham Jail” condemning the “incrementalist” approach.
There is also Dr. King’s famous book, “Why We Can’t Wait.”
I don’t think his administration has been hijacked.. I think he’s been a fraud from the beginning and I won’t fall for any of his crap again. ONE TERM! Get out!
No, it’s called ‘putting in white space’ so it’s easier to read.
There are comments that I scroll past because they’re so hard to understand, having fewer breaks and more text than yours: so make it easier on the rest of us, and break it into smaller chunks.
A warning to all: Stop assuming Obama is a victim forced to suppress his liberal and progressive inclinations in order to achieve anything. He has no liberal and progressive ideas and inclinations. He is a neocon and free marketeer doing exactly what he wants to do.
There was a pronounced and disturbing element of madness to his speech in Oslo that causes me to fear for all of us.
I regard him to be the most dangerous man in the world.
Yes, and laughed at for a decrepit and predatory health system, mindless gun laws, and a brutal class system which can’t even be spoken of in the media and much, much more.
But I still believe that our problems are NOT that difficult to solve. We have the resources, the brain power, the diversity. But our sick and ossified political structure stands in the doorway.
We’ve gotten away with being corrupt and stupid for a long time owing to there being such a large pie. But events and the world are starting to move fast. We need to let out the clutch and get moving. We should start with adjusting a few arcane rules. Such as the filibuster.
“We need to let out the clutch and get moving. We should start with adjusting a few arcane rules. Such as the filibuster.”
The filibuster is a minor procedural inconvenience, compared to legalized bribery in the electoral and governmental marketplace – the government has been commodified, – that, seems to presently be the biggest thorn in the side of America’s experiment with democracy.
I absolutely agree with your comment about no other choices. There are a lot of people that must believe that we could actually do a Trojan Horse in 2009. As much as we would ALL like change to be immediate on all of the issues that we sincerely believe in, that is impossible. We like to talk about how corporations really control the government, and they do, to some degree, but this specific government is really the BIGGEST corporation. When these wheels start turning, it is REALLY difficult to slow them down. Any change we get will be incremental, or it won’t happen at all without HUGE displacement of people and resources, ie: a 20 state Katrina.
I think we are ALL spending too much time listening to the opposition. Their negativism is rubbing off on far too many people.
I enjoy your comments, but disagree here.
I am currently doing a project that has me reading a lot of newspapers from the late 1930′s. Over and over it is Republicans and Dixiecrats using the filibuster to stifle unions and wages. Later on it was civil rights. If you look back over the long history of the filibuster it has been used most effectively by conservatives to stifle or discourage progressive legislation.
Legislation to fight ‘legalized bribery in the electoral and governmental marketplace’ will never pass or even get tried, in large measure because of the filibuster.
We sit here, right now, tying ourselves in knots trying to wangle some sort of health care out of Congress. The filibuster is a MAJOR tool of corporate obstructionism.
Actually Taibbi only really had two substantive arguments and Fernholz destroyed both, the rest was just complaining about people’s resumes.
The first was that Taibbi says the Gov’t could lose $24 trillion in this. Fernholz points out that for that to happen, basically every single institution in America would have to collapse. The real number is about 100 times less than Taibbi’s, but what’s a zero here or there?
Taibbi’s second argument is that Obama is institutionalizing the ability for automatic future bailouts using the taxpayers’ money without even going to Congress. As Fernholz points out or as was clear to anyone who read yesterday’s news, Taibbi got it 180 degrees wrong. The new legislation allows the gov’t to break up too big to fail banks with no bailout, no tax payer funds.
I could go on, but most of Taibbi’s other arguments were spun so hard that all it took from Fernholz were minor corrections of context to make Taibbi’s argument fall apart. I’m hoping Taibbi’s next piece will be more solid, he is at least one of the only reasons I subscribe to RS anymore.
The $24 trillion estimate came from TARP IG Neil Barofsky. Taibbi attributes the figure to Barofsky. It’s disingenuous to call the figure “Taibbi’s.” And you know that; I pointed it out in the other thread.
I read the Taibbi piece and the Fernholz “corrections,” and Felix Salmon has gotten it pretty much pitch perfect.
Here’s Taibbi’s response:
http://trueslant.com/matttaibbi/2009/12/12/on-obamas-sellout-bailout-tarp-rubin-goldman-sachs-robert-bob-tim-geithner-hamilton-project-derivatives-financial-reform-citibank/