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Climate Cover-Up: The Crusade to Deny Global Warming
Question: What’s the difference between a computer salesman and a used car salesman?
Answer: A used car salesman knows when he’s lying.
I was reminded of this old joke when reading Jim Hoggan’s book “Climate Cover-Up: The Crusade to Deny Global Warming” on the campaign to obscure what science tells us about global warming: it’s happening and we’re causing it. Hoggan tells us about the cast of characters involved in this campaign and I found myself classifying them into two categories: those who don’t know they are lying and those that do.
In the first category we have Viscount Monckton of Brenchley, who has delusions of grandeur. He really is a Viscount, but he also claims to be a member of the House of Lords (he isn’t) and to have won a share in the Nobel Peace Prize (he didn’t). Monckton has a degree in classics and no training or experience in science or mathematics but he churns out papers full of equations (which he misinterprets) and graphs (which are wrong) that purport to show that global warming isn’t happening. Monckton recently gave a speech with 2 million viewings on youtube where he declared that that Copenhagen treaty will institute a COMMUNIST WORLD GOVERNMENT. In short, Monckton is a crank.
Now, if Monckton’s pet theory was, say, that the moon was made of cheese or the sun was made of iron nobody would pay any attention to him. But because his theory involves global warming denial, he is now chief policy advisor at a think tank called the Science and Public Policy Institute and touted as an expert on climate science. Hoggan describes a whole gaggle of such think tanks, all with fancy titles and funded by the fossil fuel industry. None of them produce science to be published in peer-reviewed journals but rather opinions than can be published in opeds or quotes for journalists to balance their stories and match a quote from a scientist at a research institute about their data shows global warming is a problem with a quote from a “policy analyst” from a think tank saying that no it isn’t.
Which brings us to the second category of person described — someone who knows when he is lying. An example of this sort of person is Steve Milloy. While Monckton wil say things that are outrageously false and outright crazy, Milloy is much more careful. Instead of telling everybody that cigarette smoke is good for you, he will raise lots of plausible sounding (but poorly founded) objections to studies that show that it is harmful. Milloy would raise these objections at his website junkscience.com, which pretended to be a place devoted to debunking bad science, but actually was devoted to debunking the notion that cigarette smoke was harmful. You won’t be surprised to learn that Milloy was secretly funded by tobacco companies.
The same techniques used by tobacco companies to obscure the science that shows that cigarette smoke is bad for you is now being used to cover up the fact that human activities are warming the planet. In fact the same people and think tanks that argued against a link between cigarettes and disease are now arguing that against a link between carbon dioxide and global warming. They don’t have convince people that there is no link — all they have to do make it appear as if there is a scientific controversy. Journalists help them in this task by seeking sources to provide a balance of opposing views rather than seeking sources with expertise in the subject area.
Too recent to be included in Hoggan’s book is the latest ugly turn in the campaign against climate science. A server in the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia was broken into and code and many emails were stolen and posted on the net.
By any objective standard the stolen data shows no evidence of any scientific misconduct, but private emails are particularly vulnerable to be taking out of context since the context is all previous communications between the two parties. The anti-science campaigners were therefore able to find emails they could misrepresent as proof of fraud. For example, in one email Phil Jones said that he had used a “trick” to “hide the decline”. This was taken out of context as meaning a decline in global temperatures, i.e., that he has dishonestly covered up evidence that global warming wasn’t happening. But in science “trick” just means a technique, and other emails make it clear that the “decline” wasn’t a decline in temperatures at all, but in tree ring density, a proxy for temperature. Before 1960 tree density tracks temperature quite well, but after 1960 temperatures go up while tree ring density goes down, so tree ring density stops being a good proxy for temperature. All Jones was doing was trying to avoid misleading readers into thinking that temperatures had declined after 1960 when they had not.
But none of this matters to the anti-science campaigners. Monckton claims that the emails were proof of fraud and has called for the criminal prosecution of the CRU scientists. Milloy denies that the emails were stolen, instead claiming that they were released because of a FOIA request and supports a call for Al Gore’s Oscar to be rescinded.
Regardless of what Monckton, Milloy and co say or do, the planet will continue to warm. Reality will eventually make their campaign untenable, but the danger is that they might succeed in delaying action to mitigate global warming.



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Jim, Welcome to the Lake.
Tim, Thank you for Hosting today’s Book Salon.
Hi everyone, glad to be here
My pleasure!
I’lll kick things off with a question for Jim:
There is a report that whoever broke into the CRU server and stole the data first broke in a month earlier and only released the stolen emails just before Copenhagen. And now there are reports of attempted break ins in Canada. Do you think this is an organized campaign, or a coincidence?
Not a coincidence. There have been well coordinated efforts to find way to spread misinformation for two decades. Jim
We actually just did a release on the weekend about break-ins and attempted hacking at the Canadian government’s modeling center at the University of Victoria.
Jim,
Do you have any background on the break-in/hacking of the emails?
Welcome to FDL this afternoon Jim and Tim .
Jim, I have not had an opportunity to read your book but do have a question? (and forgive me if you answer this in the book) but how often does anyone ask the deniers what we do if they’re wrong with the deniers and global warming is in fact happening (which we know it is)?
Seems like that question, at least seems like it would force them to think about the problem (although many of the deniers seem incapable of actually imagining that they could be wrong).
I find it interesting that even with the theft of private emails deniers still have to exaggerate what the emails mean. Jim
Hey, Jim & Tim! A question for both of you — how would you respond to the opinion of those like Judith Curry, who are arguing that scientists need to be more open in engaging “skeptics” like McIntyre? Personally, I’d worry that such an approach creates the artificial sense that there are “two sides,” an impression that benefits vested denialist interests, but I’m curious as to your take.
We have sources at the University of Victoria who choose to remain anonymous.
I have been curious myself how emails that mock the deniers constitute evidence that climate change and global warming doesn’t exist.
Here’s a link to the Desmogblog story on the break in attempts in Canada.
James, so wonderful to have you here. You guys do such amazing work.
People may not know that you run one of the smartest blogs around — DeSmog blog. Can you tell us how that got started?
Good question. The likelihood that your house is going to burn down or flood is very remote, yet collectively we invest billions a year to protect from such things through insurance. Whereas the likelihood of catastrophic effects from climate change is much higher, yet there’s a reluctance to do much about it. And for many they’re willing to deny that it’s even happening.
a case of accidental activism, i got upset when i saw the PR fingerprints on this confusion campaign. I though we owed it to people to point out these PR tricks masquerading as science. Jim
Welcome, Jim and good luck with your work. Do you think that more widely circulated pictures of the disappearing glaciers in the Alps and in the Himalyas would help people understand that this is indeed real. It would help also if someone could explain in simple terms the devastating consequences once the glaciers are gone.
You can’t argue against an open process, but the climate skeptics need to get down to doing real research in peer-reviewed journals and quit harassing real scientists.
I think you need to be careful with emotional photos. Although they are compelling people do have finite capacity for worry. I always combine a few shocking photos with a lot of solution points. Here’s an interesting piece of research on the psychology og communicating climate change research http://www.cred.columbia.edu/guide/ – jim
But that would take work!Kidding.
But seriously, one of the things that strikes me about the be more “open and transparent” argument is that it is reasonable, but there is also a trap there; the more data that’s released, the more it’s open to constant distortion and nitpicking, which beyond everything else takes an immense amount of time to respond to.
Rats. I was hoping they’d traced the hackers and were ready to release the information. Welcome Jim – we need all the push back we can get.
I think about the people who spread the lies. You said that you saw the PR fingerprints on the campaign. What were those fingerprints? Is there anything illegal about them lying?
reading about people like this viscount, I really find myself wondering why so many people on the other side are so obviously lying demagogues or extremists and why they are, despite this, so effective. Above all, I have to wonder where is the real, loyal, legitimte opposition?
There are, in theory, real and reasonable arguments to be made about climate change by conservatives. They could argue that the costs of a rigourous policy response of the sort we would like to see from Copenhagen and our own government exceeds the benefits. They could say that the best defense against harm 75 or 100 years from now is to focus on economic development so that we will have the means to protect our people from inevitable climate change, rebuild our storm-devastated infrastructure and cities at that time. They could even try to argue that their bloody precious free market provides the best possible means to develop technologies that’ll help .. more so than inefficient government policy responses. They could argue lots of things – and I would think they they would be dead wrong… but they could fairly do so.
But they don’t. They just deny the science and say that their god won’t allow anything bad to happen. It all makes no sense.
Thers asks about Judith Curry’s suggestions that scientists should try to engage with skeptics like McIntyre. I admire her efforts along those lines; to get the skeptics interesting in doing science and trying to discover things rather then just trying to prove the scientists wrong, but I don’t think she has caused them to change at all.
Making more data and code publicly available is a good thing, but the skeptics are never satisfied. McIntyre got his start when Michael Mann gave his data for the hockey stick paper. McIntyre kept asking for more: more data, the Mann’s sorce code, more explanations of each step of the process. Scientists really don’t have time to individually teach each skeptic climate science. Mcintyre then wrote a paper based on his misunderstanding of the data, arguing that the “hockey stick” temperature reconstruction was wrong.
I think where the push back needs to happen is with the mainstream media who are not asking the tough questions:
Who performed this illegal hackjob, and how did they do it? Who paid for it? What was their motivation?
And why are there no stories out there about how quickly the right-wing think tanks and the industry-funded deniers were set up to get out so fast and so loud on this.
The most vocal people stoking this controversy are the central figures the book and the research we’ve been doing for the past 4 years.
Groups like:
Center for a Constructive Tomorrow: owns and operate ClimateDepot.com, which has been a main clearinghouse for the right-wing climategate echo chamber. ClimateDepot.com is managed by Marc Morano, former aide to Republican Senator James Inhofe. CFACT has received grants from Exxon Mobil, Chevron, and well-known right-wing foundations like the Carthage Foundation and the Sarah Scaife Foundation.
American Enterprise Institute: Offered to pay “experts” $10,000 to write papers that countered the IPCC reports. AEI has received close to half a million from oil-giant ExxonMobil, former Exxon Chairman Lee Raymond sits on AEI’s board of directors.
Media Research Center: run by Brett Bozell, this group also operates the popular right-wing blog, Newsbusters.org. The Media Research Center has received over $257,000 from oil-giant ExxonMobil since 1998.
Cato Institute: Is the main front group for the most prolific climate denier, Patrick Michaels. Cato is the second largest recipient of funding the foundations run by Koch Industries Inc. (the largest private energy company in the United States).
Interesting that the Viscount (Christopher Monckton) along with his close colleague, Nigel Lawson, were key advisers in the UK government under Prime Minister Thatcher.
I have always been interested in exploring how the long arm of Milton Freidman’s Chicago School of Economics may play into the modern day climate denial movement.
McIntyre shows he is more interested in PR than science by the way he exaggerated what his analysis actually found and in his failure to mention the dozen or so other hockey sticks that independently confirm the research of Michael Mann. jim
I like to point out the financial backing of these front groups. But for the right wing media that run with the stories that is both not acknowledged and if it is, it doesn’t discredit them. Hannity and Rush repeat the “there is confusion.” and global warming is a hoax” they have no problem carrying forward the lie. How would you go about getting Rush and Hannity to admit they are repeating a lie? Can you get on their shows and get then to see the real science?
James, How do you think CRU should have responded? Did Phil Jones do the right thing in stepping down?
Jim, is Cap and Trade a serious solution which activists should get behind, or is it just another charade attempting to funnel wealth into Wall Street?
When you see who is behind the denier stuff it’s all about profit and being free to pollute. That’s pretty transparent.
I don’t think Monckton was a key adviser to Thatcher. He was an adviser and has a compulsive need to exaggerate his role.
That’s a good question because the sums are huge so you can bet wall street is make some big transaction fees.
I would think they could come up with something simpler.
Jim, thanks for your book – and thanks to you and Tim for your work on climate, as well as for making the time to be here today. Thanks again to Bev for making these Salons happen!
Fair enough, I maybe gave Monckton a little too much credit. But Lawson was Thatcher’s key economic adviser. Just so happens that Lawson’s brother is married to Monckton’s sister. Very tight little group.
What both also have in common is that they both a ZERO background in the area of climate science.
CRU waited too long to speak out. Whoever frames an issue like this first puts others who follow on the defensive. I think the question about Phil Jones doing the right thing stepping down is yet to be determined in the findings of the University and IPCC. If he is innocent of any wrong doing it was a mistake to step down. If there is a issue with the data points it was likely a good idea.
Here’s the kind of yahoo’s we’re dealing with: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpEGBgHxNTQ
Marc Morano, former head spin doctor for James Inhofe and prior to that, Rush Limbaugh’s head researcher in Washington, DC.
Rush Limbaugh admitting he was duped, isn’t going to happen in this life on Climate issues. His devotion to truthiness will always be in the way. Jim
I’d like to see Exxon-Mobil’s emails…
I agree and I think we’re going start a letter-writing campaign calling for people like Marc Morano to release his email correspondence with the Wall Street Journal. Or the Competitive Enterprise Institute’s email conversations with the American Petroleum Institute and the Bush White House.
Would you have any comments re George Monbiot’s take on the leaked CRU emails? I usually agree with him, but I’m not sure in the East Anglia case.
(did love the Knights Carbonic, though…)
Might be entertaining to get the emails between the API and Howard Fineman/Newsweek/WaPo0 and their recent pay to play “discussions”
Here’s a great editorial in the NY Times today by the public editor talking about the CRU stolen email story: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/06/opinion/06pubed.html
George is very close to this story, and he obviously has a right to his own take on it. As for Jones retiring, I am going to hold judgment until we see all the details come out in the various investigations that are underway.
Remember all the crank “scientists” who claimed that AIDS was caused by drugs addiction? They got full air time on TV shows as “experts.”
Or former White House adviser Phil Cooney and his conversations with ExxonMobil and Koch Industries.
Jim, What do you think of China getting the turbine contracts, instead of US companies?
In the case of the anti-science campaigns on behalf of tobacco companies we do have many of the documents that reveal what was going on. And the same think tanks are using the same tactics against climate science.
Yeah, all my life it’s been the same groups fighting and stalling legislation that actually sometimes helps people. They’ve just gotten somewhat better at hiding their money trail. Thankfully, we have places on the net (like FDL and De Smog Blog) that help to out some of the lies.
Similar to that we go into great detail in the book about the history of attacks on the science around tobacco and cancer. Many of those who deny the realities of climate change and attack the science – for example, Steve (Junkman) Milloy – cut their teeth with tobacco companies.
Would you mind elaborating Bev?
The Union of Concerned Scientists put out a report showing that Exxon-Mobil was funding a bunch of foundations and others to spout denial language, and cloud the issue, just like the tobacco industry did to confuse that debate. Here’s the link. Do you have any suggestions of foundations or others who are involved in that kind of thing?
http://solveclimate.com/blog/20091118/made-america-china-new-turbine-factory-offers-glimpse-future
Made in America by China: New Turbine Factory Offers Glimpse into the Future
China-based A-Power’s new deal to build a $50 million wind turbine factory in the United States is about helping America meet its surging demand for wind power, the company said in its announcement.
But it’s about far more than that: The plant is a sign that Chinese energy firms are using America’s renewables boom to establish their brands stateside — and everywhere.
The new factory will produce 1,100 megawatts of “highly advanced” wind energy turbines each year at an unannounced U.S. location. That’s enough to power 330,000 homes. The facility will also generate about 1,000 domestic jobs upon completion, according to A-Power.
The venture is the second this year between A-Power Generation Systems, a subsidiary of Shenyang Power Group, and the U.S.-based Renewable Energy Group.
Their first collaboration — a 600-MW, $1.5 billion wind farm deal in West Texas — set off a firestorm in Washington when it was announced on Oct. 29. [snip]
The other even larger source of funding for the climate denial industry and their echo chamber of think tanks is the Koch Family Foundations, operated by Charles Koch, the chairman of the largest private energy company in the US, Koch Industries.
Here’s a backgrounder we have on Koch: http://www.desmogblog.com/koch-industries-inc
This disinformation campaign does not just have an effect on the environment, but it has huge economic repercussions. While the North American media, the think tanks and the fossil fuel industry argues and muddies the science, the rest of the world is moving on and dealing with the issue.
Countries like China are way out ahead, while the US and Canada remains mired in this fake debate that is effectively delaying the move to clean energy economy.
Countries all over the world are so far ahead on this issue and are reaping the financial rewards.
BTW, there’s an amazing new video up on Youtube that completely debunks the right wing’s total exageration of the CRU hacked email story:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nnVQ2fROOg
You’ll love it and please post it widely.
There’s been so many good questions that I forgot to thank Tim, Bev and Jane for setting this up. Thanks so much, this book is doing very well and the more that read it, the more people who will be immune from this PR spin by the fossil fuel industry and their network of free market think tanks.
And of course, you can buy a copy (even an environmentally friendly Kindle version) on Amazon.com: http://www.amazon.com/Climate-Cover-Up-Crusade-Global-Warming/dp/1553654854/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1250889752&sr=8-1
As we come to the end of this Book Salon, any last questions?
Jim, Thank you for stopping by the Lake and spending the afternoon with us discussing your new book and the climate disinformation.
Tim, Thank you very much for Hosting this Book Salon.
Everyone, if you haven’t bought Jim’s book yet, here is a link.
Thanks all.
For anyone who wants to keep up to speed on the CRU hacked email story, grab DeSmogBlog’s RSS: http://www.google.com/ig/add?feedurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.desmogblog.com%2Frss.xml
We have all hands on deck for this one.
And, of course, Tim Lambert is another great source, one of the best blogs on climate science denial ever: http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/
Jim, Tim, and Bev – thank you all!
Thanks again Bev. Love a good swim in the warm waters of the Lake! Thanks for all the great questions everyone, I hope you found it as informative as I did.
I see the Kochs are big contributors to George Mason University, which houses such scholars as Todd Zywicki.
For all the insignificance of one little old University to our understanding of Climate Change globally, it’s difficult to imagine they weren’t somewhat more fundamental to it than that, when they so confidently discussed being able to control the peer review process. Surely that was more than just professional vanity.
That is one conclusion. But I like to ask that question to all book authors. We so often just accept their constant misinformation as a given. I just get so tired of the whole “we can’t challenge them in an effective way.”
I saw Hannity get taken to task by former Gov. Jesse Ventura on the issue of torture. I wish to see more of that.
Thanks to Bev for inviting me to host and to everyone who participated.
Keep up the good work. You are all loyal disciples….
hold it. I thought that the problem was that we were proposing to us government fund to import turbines from China.. which is nonsensical. But if the deal is for a Chinese company to invest I. the US to make turbines with US jobs.. I have no problem with that.
We cannot allow right-wingers to constantly demonize people like Al Gore. It isn’t an argument to accuse Gore of “wanting to take away all our freedoms and destroy America”. That’s just hatemongering, pure and simple, and the degree to which the media enables and indulges it is disgusting.
Actually, the Sun is made of iron…