
Torture chair from Torture Museum, Amsterdam (graphic: Timm Suess via Flickr)
The fight in a United Kingdom courtroom over secret documents related to the torture of former Guantanamo prisoner and rendition victim Binyam Mohamed has resulted in a striking new revelation, as reported by Mohamed’s attorney Clive Stafford Smith and British journalist Andy Worthington. Newly unredacted material from a previously censored portion of an earlier ruling by a UK court significantly expands the timeline and scope of the introduction of SERE-style “enhanced” interrogation techniques.”
The newly released passage in the court’s previously censored ruling describes how the torture techniques described in the infamous August 1, 2002 “Bybee memo” (PDF) — written to provide a green light for the torture of Abu Zubaydah — were used on Binyam Mohamed by unnamed U.S. agents while Mohamed was held in custody in Pakistan in April and May 2002. This was some four months or so before the authorization “authorization” of these techniques.
Here is the key unredacted passage, from the UK court’s latest filing on the case (PDF), emphasis added:
One of those memoranda dated August 1 2002, from Mr. J.S. Bybee, Assistant Attorney-General, to Mr. John Rizzo, acting General Counsel of the CIA, made clear that the techniques described [as used upon Binyam Mohamed] were those employed against Mr. Zubaydah, alleged to be a high-ranking member of al-Qaeda.”
The court is talking about techniques used by U.S. agents against Binyam Mohamed while he was first held in Pakistan. The unredacted paragraph makes it “clear” that the techniques in the Bybee memo were earlier used upon Mohamed. The court had originally described these techniques in a seven-page summary of documents that were provided by the U.S. to the UK government concerning Mohamed’s Pakistan interrogation. The seven-page summary, written by the judges themselves in lieu of publication of the full documentation, is currently classified at the behest of the British government, and against the protest of the judges themselves. (Marcy Wheeler discussed some of the intricacies of the document trail in a recent posting.)
What is often forgotten about these first interrogations in Pakistan is that they were reportedly performed by the FBI. If that could be established as definitive, then the role of the FBI in the propagation of torture would be significantly different than what is usually reported, i.e., that the FBI forswore torture for rapport-building-style interrogation.
From Binyam’s diary of the events:
“I refused to talk in Karachi until they gave me a lawyer. I said it was my right to have a lawyer. The FBI said, ‘The law has changed, there are no lawyers. You can cooperate with us the easy way or the hard way.’ On the first day of the interrogation ‘Chuck’ said, ‘If you don’t talk to me you are going to Jordan. We can’t do what we want here. The Arabs will deal with you.’”
Binyam was rendered to Morocco and hideous torture on July 19, 2002. While still in custody in Pakistan, we know from an account by his attorney Clive Stafford Smith in his 2006 book, Eight O’clock Ferry to the Windward Side: Seeking Justice in Guantanamo Bay, Binyam was subjected to suspension-style sleep deprivation, very much like the type that was later described by Stephen Bradbury in his May 10, 2005 memo. With the new UK revelation, we now know that Mohamed was subjected while still in Pakistan to a full array of “enhanced interrogation techniques,” such as were used on Abu Zubaydah.
The timing of Zubaydah’s torture, and whether, for instance, he was waterboarded before or after authorization “authorization” for the torture came in the form of the August 2002 Bybee memo, had been a matter of some dispute. But on August 31 this year, ex-CIA Inspector General John Helgerson told Der Spiegel that oral approval for the use of the “enhanced interrogation techniques,” that is, for torture, came “months” before the written approval in the Bybee memos (H/T Jason Leopold). Most likely, Zubaydah’s torture began shortly before that of Binyam Mohamed, though if it did, it was only by days or weeks, not months. For all intents and purposes, the torture was near-contemporaneous.
The story of Zubaydah’s torture has been told by various narrators: FBI agent Ali Soufan, the Senate Armed Services Committee, the Washington Post, the CIA Inspector General report (long PDF), and Ron Suskind in his book, The One Percent Doctrine, among others. In Andy Worthington’s report on the Zubaydah case, he describes how the continual reference to Abu Zubaydah as a mastermind or major Al Qaeda figure is a sham. This carried over even into internal documents, such as the CIA’s psychological report on Zubaydah.
While Abu Zubaydah was being set-up as a “high-value” member of Al Qaeda, one of its supposed top officials, Binyam was being linked to the purported “dirty bomb” plot of Jose Padilla. This frame-up was to be cemented by beatings and psychological torture. The only problem was Binyam refused to go along. This may be one reason they dropped the “dirty bomb” charade with Padilla, and shipped him off to the Naval Brig in Charleston to become a guinea pig for extreme sensory deprivation and possible use of hallucinogenic drugs.
In subtle but powerful ways, the news that Binyam Mohamed was subjected to the “enhanced interrogation techniques” in a period of time contemporaneous to that of Zubaydah, or behind the latter by only a matter of days or weeks, changes the torture narrative. Zubaydah is no longer the key experimental figure in the torture narrative. There was at least one other, and if one, then most likely others we have not heard about. Some of these prisoners appear to have been “disappeared.” For instance, Omar Gharmesh and a teenager who were seized at the same time as Zubaydah were rendered to Syria and have never been seen or heard of again.
For more on Gharmesh, see the follow-up to this article.
Next: Using Photos of Abu Zubaydah’s Torture to Intimidate and Threaten Other Prisoners



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This is in line with what many of us thought. The Bush Administration signed off on torture and only as the criminal implications occurred to those involved did it go back and put together a legal CYA framework to protect the torturers, and, of course, those who ordered the torture.
My bold these techniques used by U.S agents not other techniques? Sounds like someone asked Yoo to write the torture memo for stuff that had already happened maybe Yoo had fore knowledge?
Someone did
Jeff, have you seen THIS yet?
Govt. Investigation Confirms ABC News Report on Secret CIA Prison
Source: ABC News
Lithuanian Investigators Say State Security Helped Arrange “Black Site” For al-Qaeda Suspects
A Lithuanian government investigation has confirmed an exclusive ABC News report that the CIA operated a secret black site prison in the country, according to a report on Lithuanian television.
According to Lithuania’s LNK TV, sources have told investigators that state security was involved in coordinating the construction of the prison, and have also provided the code name of the operation to transport terror detainees to the prison. Arydas Anusauskas, head of the parliamentary committee investigating the prison, did not respond to an ABC News request for comment, but has previously said the results of the probe will be made public Dec. 22.
On Nov. 18, ABC News revealed the location of a secret prison, where harsh interrogation techniques were allegedly used on accused al-Qaeda terrorists, in a converted horseback riding facility 20 kilometers northeast of the Lithuanian capital of Vilnius. Where affluent Lithuanians once rode show horses and sipped coffee at an attached café, the CIA installed a hidden concrete structure where it could hold up to eight “high value detainees” at a time, a current Lithuanian government official and a former CIA official told ABC News.
For many of the residents of this former Soviet state, it is reminiscent of the KGB’s secret prisons. “As a Lithuanian,” a local woman told ABC News, “I am not very proud of this.”
“The activities in that prison were illegal,” said John Sifton, a New York attorney whose firm One World Research investigates human rights abuses. “They included various forms of torture, including sleep deprivation, forced standing, painful stress positions.”
Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/investigation-confirms-se…
He was held by us and then turned over to a third party we told him would torture him which they did that means we outsourced torture and committed a war crime.
No lawyer was involved in the planning of torture this is to stupid where is the plausible denial? Yoo was brought in after the fact to make everything legal as best he could.
How is England handling the News Tony Blair must be as popular as mud right now at all the fancy dinner parties.
thamx for the read jeff, as always great insight
I hope you can make one edit;
could you put the word “authorization” into quote dittos please?
the fact that a memo gives fakes justification does not mean there is actual ‘authorisation’, a judge can’t “authorise” me to murder my wife even if he writes an opinion that says I can
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/27/AR2009112702325.html
My bold Kathleen Parker with the official GOP line on the subject the GOP hopes that if they repeat a lie often enough it becomes true.
Sorry not in the real world how soon Kathleen before Bush can’t go to England anymore with this information out there?
Hmmm. At least the British court said Zubaydah was merely “alleged” to be a high ranking al Qaeda member. That’s kind of interesting on its own.
Thanks for a terrific post, Jeff.
Why am I not surprised to find out (1) that the FBI tortured and (2) torture was used to extract false confessions. Ho hum, what else is new?
True and as far as war crimes go thats international jurisdiction the Bushies may have a deal with Obama but anywhere else in the world it looks like they might soon be fair game.
In June 2000, my Polish relatives, while touring me around, drove by a military facilityin NE Poland, remarking: the Soviets moved out and the U.S. moved in. Some 7 years later, it was identified as one of the CIA secret prisons.
Jeff,
Thanks for the post.
I have been following this case daily.
So, we have premeditated and conspiracy?
Do we have any idea where in Syria? Location could provide further clues.
We can hope.
Someone official is actually saying it happened not just a few reporters and the Lefty Bloggers it now gets harder for the MSM to ignore.
Now we just need a low level Bushy like Condi to get picked up in Italy buying Bruno Magli thigh high boots and the MSN can sputter fake outrage all they want. The GOP can start excusing and at the same time denying everything which just gets the story more coverage.
The Obama Justice Dept can start stammering why the Brits and not them are moving on this.
This story is getting to big to officially ignore even in America.
thanx
I think it should read;
“This was some four months or so before the
authorizationdirected and flawed opnion” giving false cover for these techniques.”there, that should do the trick
I’m hopeful :)
It would also not come as a surprise that the some European justice systems are better than the U.S., just like their medical industries, their food, their wine, etc., etc. Sucks to be an empire.
Who ever planned the torture was not a lawyer and did not talk to a lawyer until after it was done. This is obvious.
England is certainly impressing me right now. Tony Blair could lose his invite to all the posh political cocktail weenie parties him and his wife at the very least face social leprosy.
Given how Authoritarian the Bushies are this could scare them more than prison. What good is it to be an Elite but not belong?
and whatever lawyer gave what he believed to be legal cover for those crimes needs to be disbarred at the least and charged as an accomplice if possible
But think of all the S&M invitations the Blairs will be getting.
Well, certainly these revelations makes THIS more than mere coincidence:
Declassification of secret documents to be delayed – The Boston GlobeNov 29, 2009 … WASHINGTON – President Obama will maintain a lid of secrecy on millions of pages … “This is information that is not just from years ago, …
http://www.boston.com/…/declassification_of_secret_documents_to_be_delayed/
NOTE: This is a superb piece.
Sure from Iraqi’s
Got page not found at link.
http://www.boston.com/…/declassification_of_secret_documents_to_be_delayed/
Link not operable!
The “high-value” prisoner characterization is an attempt to obtain political permission for aggravated acts that remain illegal. It is a claim that a suspect – at a time when claims against him or her remain unmade and unproven – is such a lethal enemy that any actions used to find out what he knows (or doesn’t know) are inherently legal. It’s also a claim that implies such acts were used sparingly, on few prisoners. It’s a variation on the claim that “exigent circumstances” justify otherwise illegal conduct.
The legal landmine sitting beneath both Bush and Obama’s claims is that there is no “exigent circumstances” exception under the laws that ban torture. In fact, exigent circumstances are explicitly cited as an insufficient excuse to engage in torture, precisely because all governments would claim they exist every time they torture, in order to evade liability for their conduct.
As Bush and Obama’s conduct makes clear, the first thing governments attempt to avoid having adjudicated, other than the existence of torture itself, is whether those exigent circumstances exist, even before arguing whether they are a sufficient excuse for torture.
Lots of Muslims in England I don’t know if Tony has kids or grand kids but they had better be careful having a night out in the pub.
Anytime his kids make a play for a member of the opposite or same sex I’m sure their friends will causally mention there dad, grand dad is Tony Blair.
Sure the kids, grand kids are rich but you can’t see people like that socially unless you are so far down the social scale that dating war criminal kids is a step up.
Or maybe you just like negative attention in which case the Blair kids would be the hot ticket for Internet Trolls, Right Wing Media types, Nazi’s,and Right Wing loony Snipers and Bombers.
4 children. Think none of them are married yet, no grands.
I may be antisocial but I do understand whats really important to other people its called Empathy. It might not make sense to me but it makes sense to them and thats all that matters.
Declassification of Secret Documents to be Delayed
Poor kids they should change their names and move.
Thnaks. Just found it myself in another window.
Remember the papers from England early in the bush years all of which have proved to be true, that the good ol hard chargin american MSM simply ignored? Well, what is to prevent the same thing from happening again? Remember this, the MSM oligarchs care nothing about what those on the internet say because too few people read. The sheeple will continue to get pap and pablum(ABC NEWS, last nite)-like all the time devoted to empty talk about Tiger Woods accident and then the major empty talk about the WH party crashers. At least 15 min wasted, then of course we have to go to the “happy talk” stories, about 5 min on movie Blind Side. And there you have your 22 min broadcast. Oh, I forgot the 90 sec story from WH talking head, speculation about what Obama will say tonite.
Any odds on whether fox will carry speech or will just continue regular pgms?
Big sigh about total lack of balls and spine by any/all dems. Except, Grayson. And the “spokesperson” for Reid did a nice smackdown of McCain-apology to come?
You can google the article and get connected that way.
Incidentally, I keep thinking of Viktor Bout and his allegedly supplying the airplanes that were rendering these prisoners to secret CIA locations.
EW did a thread on Bout this past August,if I’m not mistaken.
Nothing about torture will be covered by the U.S. media unless some Bushie is arrested abroad.
The documents referred to in the article all date before 1981. What do you think is the relevance to U.S. torture post 9/11?
Given the way this investigation is going odds are that one low level Bushy will get picked up in Europe for war crimes. That sets everything in motion the Bushies do not want to be banned from Europe they will fight in the media.
Obama can’t ignore a former Bush official getting picked up for working for the government even if the job was torture. Obama’s justice Dept will finally be forced to make a public decision on prosecuting war criminals.
I keep hoping that John Yoo gets a sudden urge to travel to Spain. :)
What does no prosecution of torture cases mean? Will torture come out in KSM trial? Why no attempt by Obama DoJ to investigate/ prosecute said torture? Is this all because Obama is above all a pragmatist who will give up almost everything in order to get rethug participation on important legislation? Does Obama-or any of his advisors-realize that the rethugs will do anything to win in 2010? Does Obama understand that his failure to follow up on campaign promises is driving the sheeple that voted for him into the rethug camp and that he has a pretty good chance of losing the House in 2010 thereby making his entire program irrelevant? Or does he really think that he can give a real stemwinder of a speech-like the one on race-and bring back all the excitement of his campaign?
@36
Well , the article goes on to delineate what some of the implications could be for more contemporary docs,AND the procedures being snafued in the future by setting a precedent.
Also, the consequences of showing the possible collusion on MANY fronts,within our own government- and in tandem with others-could be VERY revealing in hindsight. Not to mention for use in legal actions,IMHO.
I’m at work as this went up, this is a good point, and I’ll attend to it in awhile. Also get to all the other comments.
For those asking or wondering, there’s alot more going on in England over Blair’s lies on Iraq and torture than there is currently in the U.S. It’s as if the entire U.S. (minus some of us) have captured a new virus, “Gerald-Ford-ism”.
I knew that. I don’t know how but I did.
I am going to have to go back and look in my notes and see if I can figure it out. I’m finally starting to understand why so many people thought I was nuts. I was very alarmed about this stuff.
The whole thing is a huge trauma and we still have to solve this problem. I imagine a lot of people are finding it very depressing.
and how will that force our MSM to get on the story? We are already damn near the most ignorant group of people in the world, our MSM has made sure of that by simply ignoring anything that does not fit the overall story line, which is something that they have been doing for years. One days headlines do not make a story because those headlines will be forgotten within the week.
I was pretty much out of the country from 1975 to 1998 so really don’t know what happened to the news gathering profession, but I was in DC for much of the Watergate hearings and was an avid reader of the news from the time the story broke, at least then muckraking was an honored part of the news. What happened? Why do we now get more news time devoted to party crashers , Tiger accident and feel good movies than to real important news? Are we as a nation that freekin dumb?
There was some group that was keeping track of flights.
Lets brainstorm on how we can pop that bubble and get them to cover it.
Wouldn’t he be surprised to just find himself there?
Washington is still operating at 60,000 feet.
Chuck Todd says there is no looking back, only forward. We could pop their bubble by having a tax day revolt next year that makes last year look like a tea party. We could just fail to pay the bill. That would be a boycott that would really get their notice if it was a large scale thing, a big vote of no confidence.
No taxation without representation!
Do you feel represented? because I sure don’t.
Tim, the Brits has a scandal a couple of years back involving the Saudis and the US and UK governments-same Lord Goldsmith figured prominently in that one,too. here’s an excerpt:
BAE System’s Dirty Dealings
by Sasha Lilley, Special to CorpWatch
November 11th, 2003
It sounds like the stuff of pulp fiction: The UK’s largest armaments producer running a £20 million ($33.4 million) slush fund to finance prostitutes, gambling trips, yachts, sports cars, and more for its most important clients the Saudi royal family and their intermediaries, greasing the wheels of the largest business deal in UK history.
These are the accusations made last month by a former employee of weapons giant BAE Systems. And evidence has surfaced that members of the British government were aware of the bribe arrangement, but looked the other way.
BAE Systems, formerly known as British Aerospace, is one of the world’s top arms producers. It manufactures warplanes, avionics, submarines, surface ships, radar, electronics, and guided weapons systems, generating annual sales of £12 billion ($20 billion) in 130 countries. The arms giant was formed as a nationalized British defense corporation in 1977, which was subsequently privatized in the early 1980s, and changed its name to BAE when British Aerospace merged with Marconi Electronic Systems in 1999.
BAE Systems’ North American branch has an unusual special relationship with the Pentagon where it is treated as a domestic arms company. According to Ian Prichard of the British Campaign Against Arms Trade (CAAT), “BAES North America appears to be virtually a separate company – even top UK executives are not privy to the more sensitive work carried out by ‘their’ company in the US.”
For years the company has been accused of selling arms to impoverished and dictatorial regimes, polluting the environment, and has been dogged for years by allegations of corrupt dealings.
Now those allegations have exploded into the open. Revelations point to BAE’s provision of enticements to the Saudis over a fifteen year period, starting in the late 1980s, using a front company Robert Lee International (RLI), to divert funds to the arms clients and their middlemen.
According to documents published by The Guardian, the British government’
s Serious Fraud Office (SFO) alerted the Ministry of Defense of the possible involvement of BAE’s chairman Sir Richard Evans in the bribe scheme, but the Ministry of Defense did nothing.
Excerpt Corpswatch
This was part of a twenty year deal with the Saudis called the AL Yamamaeh contracts-dated back to the early eighties and continues till today.
There a LOT on the net about this but nary a peep I remember form the MSM when this originally broke.
BTW, the entire article is worth reading .
Any student of the drug war already knew the FBI were dirty.
Pragmatism, like terrorism, is a technique useful in getting what someone wants. Being pragmatic bears no relation to one’s goals or whether one is committed to achieving them. As Mr. Obama uses it, pragmatism is an excuse to avoid disclosing what he really wants. What is becoming clearer week by week is that whatever President Obama wants, not much of it is what candidate Obama claimed to want when he sought the presidency.
CorpWatch : BAE System’s Dirty DealingsBAE System’s Dirty Dealings. by Sasha Lilley, Special to CorpWatch …. McLean says that BAE Systems’ dealings in India are not an anomaly. …
http://www.corpwatch.org › Industries › War & Disaster Profiteering – Cached – Similar
NOTE: Interesting that the body of the article refers to India as an impoverished country when this was originally written,in 2003.
MY,MY – what a BIG difference six years and , ahem , a few other things have made to India’s economy.
Readers of today’s story should be interested in this UK Guardian article from Nov. 24:
Yes, I caught that, too, and meant to comment on it. I think if we get a chance to see everything the British judges have written and/or the original U.S. documents, we might have a better understanding why they wrote “alleged”. On the other hand, it might simply have been because they understood that every prisoner is innocent until proven guilty before a court of law.
In 21st century America, such a sentiment is deemed old-fashioned and “quaint.”
I’m one of those sheeple. I’ve pretty much decided at this point, that unless something dramatic changes with this administration (meaning he starts to finally live up to his pre-elected campaign promises), I will not be voting for Obama or any Dems.
I don’t know exactly who I will vote for or how I will rationalize voting for all those wrong people (I thought I was voting for the right ones last time – wrong!), but I’ll work something out.
So sad. There was so much that could have gone right that died before it was ever born, and so quickly.
I hate to pop anyone’s bubble,BUT check this out:
Science-Tech
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A.I. Anchors Replace Human Reporters In Newsroom of the Future
Published on 12-01-2009
Source: Popsci
A.I. Anchors Engineers at Northwestern have created an entire newsroom operation using artificial intelligence, even using avatars to anchor the evening news.
In the great media reshuffling ushered in by the Internet Age, print journalists have suffered the most from online journalism’s ascent. Broadcast journalists, however, may be the next group to feel technology’s cruel sting.
Engineers at Northwestern University have created virtual newscasts that use artificial intelligence to collect stories, produce graphics and even anchor broadcasts via avatars.
The project, dubbed “News At Seven,” goes beyond simply regurgitating news stories gleaned from the Web.
The system can generate opinionated content like movie reviews or pull the most relevant facts from a box score to pen a hometown sports story. The AI is even learning to crack wise, injecting humor into reports.
NOTE: Is that what has REALLY been going on in MSM-especially Meet the Press with David Gregory? (/Snark)
Even more, it appears that torture was an integral part of arranging the cover story for both the Global War on Terrorism and the push for invading Iraq. Zubaydah was hyped as a mastermind. Binyam Mohamed and Jose Padilla were supposedly conspiring to nuke an American city. It was all about building boogie-men for a scared U.S. population, suffering collective PTSD from watching the fiery planes on 9/11 over and over again, and freaked out about biological or chemical warfare. And they used torture to break individuals to get the confessions, the coerced identifications, and in Zubaydah’s case, to make it appear they needed a very special “new” kind of interrogation to deal with a super-terrorist, who was really a brain-damaged, psych case.
I believe they didn’t even think much about getting legal coverage for some time. They must have thought the earlier “authorizations” and memos or opinions were sufficient. Of course, the guys in the field knew different. This doesn’t make the latter heroes, by the way, just more careful than Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld, who had soaked up too much hubris and sadism over the years.
Jeff, I wanted to share a resource site I recently came across that has extensive documentation on info relating to MANY of the subjects discussed here on this site, and most particular on this thread about who knew what when about torture.
Perhaps you are familiar with it-I wasn’t.
Its called PERRspectives.com.
The left hand side of the page has links to the research documents,aggregated by topic and date. Incredible acumulation.
Hope this will be of value to many,on many fronts.
Thanks, and passing along the documents page, which is a little hard to read on my version of the home page, here’s the URL:
http://www.perrspectives.com/resources/documents.htm
Well, you can’t just kidnap someone and bring them to Spain (or wherever), as that is a very bad felony crime, and will get you many years in the penitentiary…. unless you work for the Executive Branch of the United States, where under the tag “rendition” you get to kidnap people for the government, and if you’re in the military, even get medals for doing it!
That would explain it.
I wanted to report what I did with my local paper to check up on the cover up media is perpetrating over the torture story.
I phoned the news editor and asked if they were covering the torture story. When she started to explain AP, I started to explain I was a local activist who was pretty darn unhappy about the way my local paper thought the news could be stopped at the waters edge.
I explained how their denial led to my torture, yes a US citizen, and how it was fraud on their part. At that point she wanted to know if I was local. We had a rather long chat considering how upset I was getting over the whole thing.
I think it might be good if a few other activist phoned their local papers and ask them why they cover up the very serious crimes, like torture, that our government is doing.
I explained that the difference between the false reality the US press was creating, and the actual reality we read on line was killing their business. then I asked her again to cover torture as a story.
I figure by combining all these points, it makes a overwhelming argument.
Next she will probably check into it and get fired, but if we are lucky the paper will start covering the torture trials. That would break the story and all the other news outlets would follow suit. It is worth a try and if more of us do it, we have a better chance of success.
It often seemed to me like their efforts to cover their butt were in response to my efforts at exposing them.
But that was a long time ago and I have been through a lot. Notes will have to be checked, timelines drawn, etc. Please forgive me if I am just not up to it yet.