All reports forecast an Obama decision to send 30-35,000 additional troops coupled with a lot of talk telling Karzai he must clean up corruption in return for continued US efforts - and some talk of a vague exit strategy. There are already 9,000 marines prepared to ship out though according to the Washington Post, they will wait until after the Tuesday night speech even though local reports point to Karzai already backing away from any effort to curb corruption.
With opposition to this decision growing, escalation may need a bit of a sales pitch — and here comes Sen Levin right on cue:
Addressing a new Senate Foreign Relations Committee report claiming bin Laden was nearly captured by U.S. forces at Tora Bora, Levin argued that had the capture taken place, “there would be a good chance we would not have forces or need to have forces [in Afghanistan].”
So gosh, if Obama choses more war, it’s really not his fault … it’s all thanks to that Bush crowd.
Republicans, who are getting almost everything they want, are – surprise, surprise – not happy. Today Sen. Lugar argued that we should “put aside the health care debate until next year, the same way we put cap and trade and climate change” and just focus on “the war and money” while Sen. Kyl both compares Obama’s plan to Vietnam and says:
“Let’s don’t have talk of a phased deployment,” Kyl said. “We’ll send a few troops immediately, and then we’ll see what happens, see how it plays out, maybe send some more. That’s kind of reminiscent of Vietnam. That escalation, that slow escalation didn’t work there. You need to put in everybody you can as quickly as you can and deliver a knockout punch to the enemy.”
Even less happy will be the people of Afghanistan who will now face an even larger occupying force. Let’s go back to those
9,000 marines for a moment. The WaPo article frames their deployment as the necessary step since the current 10,000 marines in Helmand can’t occupy all major villages and towns like Marjeh where “the Taliban” operate. Even with the additional 9,000, there will not be enough troops and the effort depends on an increase of Afghan forces – forces who are not showing up:The Afghan government appears likely to commit only 60 percent of the troops that Marine and local Afghan commanders estimate that they need for the assault, a senior Marine official in Helmand said.
While General Conway, the top Marine officer, notes that putting US troops on every streeet corner is not ideal, he also assures us that “Where we have gone, goodness follows,” a sentiment Col Pat Lang rightly questions.
Yet hidden deep in this article is the following which suggests that no matter how many US marines are sent into the area, local residents are likely to question all this “goodness:”
Karzai intervened to halt an attack into Marjeh by U.S. Special Operations forces and Afghan troops this year after residents in the area complained of excessive civilian casualties, senior military officials said.
I’ve sent a copy of Tom Englehardt’s speech he wishes Obama would give to the White House – and joined Rethink Afghanistan’s No War campaign on twitter and facebook . I hope you will join me.



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Good evening, Siunshine.
Republicans, who are getting almost everything they want, are – surprise, surprise – not happy
I just want to put that on a banner behind a plane… don’t you?
Now to finish reading your post.
Thanks Sium.
Obama the candidate demonstrated some capacity to learn from mistakes. Obama the president… not so much.
30-35,000 more troops. More Afghan deaths. What is the point. Oh, I forget, O will dazzle me with rhetoric on Tuesday. I can hardly wait.
Just think how much worse it would be if he wasn’t a bona fide nobelpeaceprizewinninpreznit. So much worse.
The more things change in ways I can believe in the more they seem to stay the same as things I can’t…
Name a single example when O the candidate learned from mistakes. Not saying it didn’t happen, just can’t remember one.
Dya think they should retire the “peace” prize (and the econ prize) before they are a total mockery?
These days I have the same involuntary reaction to Obama that I had to Bush, I turn away in disgust. Not a real leader but he plays one on TV.
Nodding … they don’t even wait until after his speech to voice their “not enough, more, more”
Only in ways that helped get him elected. He, or perhaps it was just his staff, was more competent at campaigning than at governance. Not worth rehashing details.
Sunday choir practice in session I see.
Well, O is more articulate than W, FWIW.
The Republicans are a culture of death and destruction and that’s all.
Is there any precedent for the Nobel committee rescinding a Peace Prize?
Would you like to suggest the tune and the lyrics for the next practice session? We have only a week to get ourselves in voice for the next performance, so surely you have helpful hints to add.
I’ve only read a few articles on the “proposed war tax” but did not see what kind of tax it might be, income?
Shouldn’t it be a direct tax on war profiteers?
Amen…..and Amen
If they wouldn’t take it away from Kissinger & Arafat, you might as well trash it.
So perhaps you know the tune and the lyrics. I want to make sure I’ve fot it right.
Wasn’t there a song entitled “Oh, What a lovely war it was”?
Change ™ we can believe in?
Obama Promise To End The War, 2007 – “You Can Take That To The Bank”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LsSppYxSHk
The last war tax was a small amount on all phone bills – many of us refused to pay that often – it was a very small amount most folks didn’t even know about.
Wonder what it would be this time?
Mostly, it’s just humming.
I believe he was talking about Iraq. He always expressed an intention to double down in Afghanistan.
This?
Probably a luxury tax on something nonessential, like health care.
How’s that promise holding up?
I think Obama is shooting (Dems in the face) for Cheney level approval ratings in record time.
We will leave Iraq because the Iraqis are not going to allow us to renege on that deal. Probably the closest he has come to fulfilling any of his campaign promises and his (potential) success is mostly inadvertent.
Yes. Thank you so much. Makes me have tears.
It’s the same
old song
with a different beat since you’ve been gone
I’ll leave you with this to chew on
Do we have any video of Huck riding around in a tank?
How ’bout “Meet the new Boss, same as the old Boss (war criminal).”
if one is not in jail for not paying one’s taxes one is just as much a war criminal as anyone else.
Obama is not doing what he promised he’d do in the campaign re: Afghanistan.
Because he ALREADY did what he said he’d do, and doubled it– in other words he did two times over what he’d “promised” in the campaign he would do, and nobody seems to remember
All over Kos that’s their O defense position — Well he’s only doing what he said he would do. Rinse Repeat Repeat.
NO! He said he’d send about TWO BRIGADES. (or about 6000-10,000 troops) and then he got in there and immediately sent about 17,000 troops on Feb 17th, 2009, just weeks after his Historic Inauguration.
Obama approves Afghanistan troop increase
Please help to combat this meme when you see it out there. These are kids he’s sending – bodies, lives, with parents, spouses and other kids attached to them. He is way overextending that campaign “promise” and operating on an entirely new level with this surge. It’s a new send that goes beyond what he said he’d do.
Ratfood – precisely right. Obama made no “end the war” promise on Afghanistan. He called it the “right war”
The TomDispatch speech is very worth the read btw …
And it’s one, two, three, four, what are we fighting for? Next stop, Pipelineistan… With a tip of the cap to the great Country Joe McDonald and the Fish.
Yeah, right. Talk to the Irakis about that one. Or the people in Grenada or Panama, or Vietnam, or Nicaragua, or the Philippines, even earlier.
And if we get that pipeline we can burn off the rest of our ozone in a blaze of gluttonous wonder.
Amazing statement, eh?
Siun, what is your take (or knowledgeable friends of yours) on the turnover of control of Pakistan nukes?
Good question Eureka … I haven’t seen any real analysis for it yet but it’s a very interesting move.
Not the first instance of a Huckabee pardoned inmate committing murder.
here is some history of the current suspect Maurice Clemmons and his pardon(s?) http://www.arkansasleader.com/frontstories/st_06_23_04/huckabee.html
Also met Mr. Wayne Dumond convicted rapist and murderer. To be specific: convicted of rape and murder for a crime committed AFTER a Huckabee pardon. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_DuMond
Also pardoned (along with hundreds of others) one Mr. Glen Green convicted murderer. http://www.arkansasleader.com/frontstories/st_07_21_04/huckabee5.html
Apparently the outrage was so great that Gov. Huckabee changed his mind.
http://www.arkansasleader.com/frontstories/st_07_28_04/huckabee6.html
The coverage of Garrick Feldman at the Arkansas Leader provides a history of what went wrong in the Huckabee administration.
anyone who can say that without gagging should never be permitted any role in usa foreign policy. and certainly not one with any kind of weapon involved.
yeah, i know. and a pony.
As Pat Lang points out, that statement sure sounds like more right wing christian military leadership …
Dumond was involved in the rape of a Clinton relative.
I don’t imagine Eikenberry will resign after Obama announces his escalation. It would only be a token protest but if he believes what he said I don’t know how he could stay on the job.
Reading the Tom Dispatch article now.
Documents Expose Huckabee’s Role In Serial Rapist’s ReleaseDec 4, 2007 … Dumond raped Ashley Stevens, Clinton’s distant cousin, …. recused himself from the matter because Ashley Stevens was a distant relative. …
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…/documents-expose-huckabee_n_75362.html – Cached
Reading the Tom Engelhardt speech was a little painful, knowing it likely bears no resemblance whatsoever to the speech Obama will actually give.
Thanks for calling this a surge. I find it incredible that we have gone this long without naming it one since it so closely echoes what Bush did in Iraq.
Of course, we have also gone this long without actually having an Afghanistan policy since about the spring of 2002.
I thought our policy was to win. Win what I don’t have a fuckin’ clue.
It was Bill Clinton’s fault!
There are facts in question with respect to Former Governor Huckabee’s pardon of Wayne Dumond.
Former Governor Huckabee blames Jim Guy Tucker and Bill Clinton appointees for the pardon of Wayne Dumond. See Raw story from Nov 1 2007. Video clip.
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Huckabee_blames_Clinton_Admin._for_release_1101.html
In the clip Huckabee states “…It’s gonna be a story I’m sure that we’ll deal with, but the facts are on my side on this and they’ll come out, and people will understand what the truth is.”
There were accusations that Huckabee had influenced the parole board members to parole Dumond.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/06/huckabee.dumond/index.html
These accusations came from former members of the parole board.
If the suspect in the murder of the four police officers in Washington was paroled by Huckabee, and if he did commit the crime, what will be the facts? What will the truth be understood to be this time?
The right wing silence may be deafening.
ANYONE WHO CARES SHOULD READ WHAT LINDA BILMES AND JOSEH STIGLITZ WROTE 2 YEARS AGO in the WASHINGTON POST — they predicted the US economy would crash as a result of the Iraq war spending ….
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/07/AR2008030702846.html
With all due respect, Obama is doing what needs to be done. Will it work? Less than even odds. Afghan women and girls need us to at give it a good-faith try, given their abandonment by the Bush administration.
Why anybody gives creadence to Huckleberry is beyond Me.
Obama can’t sell anything if the people don’t buy it, but with the intelligence thay have shown so far, they will eat it like sugar smaks.
This implies that if Osama bin Laden were captured it would put an end to terrorism and whatever tangential relationship it has/had to Afghanistan; a statement which is patently ridiculous. If that’s not what it implies, then the only other alternative is that the end to our policing action would have come about, because we’d have caught the suspect, but we’re not engaged in a police action; we’re supposedly engaged in a war.
The only thing that bothers me more than the specious connections drawn between terrorism and these sovereign locales, are the competing narratives that juxtapose with each other freely to justify whatever militarists need to frame as it suits them.
Iremember54 you are minimizing the tremendous effect of propaganda on people and how the power elite (which includes the Obama administration) effectively use that to brainwash people. There is virtually NO COUNTERWEIGHT to the propaganda line being put out: America is good, our troops are good, so military expansion by America must be good and is to save democracy and the world. Obama was selected by Goldman Sachs precisely because:
1) he’s a terrific salesman; his job on Tuesday will be to sell an unpopular war, just as he has sold unpopular bailouts of Wall St. and banks;
2) he’s a representative of a minority and thus less likely to be attacked by progressive-liberals. But Obama has done zilch for the black community which has the highest unemployment rates in the country: the people who really run the country (starting with Goldman’s Bob Rubin) know that these people are “happy” just to have “one of theirs” in the presidency. What he does seems to be irrelevant to the clueless black community.
I adamantly disagree with every point you stated. We have no right to be in Afghanistan for any reason. Karzai is our government’s puppet and he was not legitimately elected. He has no authority to govern, much less authority to request the assistance of our military to keep him in power. Obama and the generals should be arrested and prosecuted for war crimes in the International Court of Criminal Justice at the Hague.
“You need to put in everybody you can as quickly as you can”
Considering the number of troops we have that are eligible to return to the fray, that is exactly what that 35,000 represents. As it is, if the biologically processed food hits the ventilatory device elsewhere in the world, we won’t have anyone to respond to it.
Ah, nice to see neoconservatism alive and well at FDL. When did you finally decide to get on board the prerogative that it is within the responsibility, capability, and moral-authority of the United States to spread liberal democracy around the world; to trot the globe rebuilding nations in its image?
Irving Kristol would have been proud.
only a whimper will come from americans as americans are more interested in the size of ring tiger will buy for his wife than how many troops o will send to afghan.
americans are used to these wars they have been occuring since the end of the big one world war two.
this is an imperialist nation. 720 military bases around the world is the best defintion of imperialism i can think of.
the imperialist bully is about to get its butt kicked like it did in nam.
the afghans have the mountains and caves and the safe haven in pac land.
americans love their super power status in the world as any bully loves their power and fear over others.
the bully is about to be brought to its knees.
how? economic meltdown and bankruptcy.
who says wars for profits are without karma.
Great posting, Siun. The Obama administration has quickly positioned itself as one of the most inept and clueless administrations in recent times. If it hadn’t been for the criminal Bush/Cheney lawless regime, we’d be hoisting our rhetorical pitchforks.
The Stupak amendment demonstrated the ineptness of the Democratic leadership on health care reform. The ongoing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, with the promise of an escalation in Afghanistan (at what cost! human and financial, which latter ends up also being a human cost), and war without end.
Obama has swallowed the Bush GWOT line in toto. He’s now our LBJ, without the accomplishments.
The drumbeat must grow ever louder: No to U.S. military imperial adventures abroad. Pull the troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan NOW!