It’s because if we let everyone buy guns, the the only people who will be unarmed will be the people who actually believe that the Constitution and law are more important than the 2nd amendment, and that means they’re DFHs, right? (And that makes them fair game to some people, yes?)

Hey Eli!

judas forking priest (major eye rolling)

Also, why should they have stopped Hasan? He had no record, and he wasn’t diagnosed anywhere as mentally ill. (If they saw he was military, they probably assumed he knew what he was doing with handguns.)

And that’s why the states and countries with tougher gun laws all have such high incidences of violent crime!

Hey egreg!

Maybe they didn’t have reason to stop him, but if they already had concerns about him it would have been helpful to know that he was buying guns.

Heh!

Again, guns don’t kill people, the holes left by speeding bullets kill people. When will legislators wake up and outlaw holes?

iirc his name had already been flagged as a potential terrorist due to his emailing with that religious leader. he could buy guns and might or might not have had trouble flying.

Because if they don’t word it carefully enough, they might make themselves illegal.

Hope springs eternal.

So all this spying on us to keep us “safe” — not so much.

mine are stuck in the back of my head.

at least assholes

Seems risky. You think there’s an obesity epidemic now…

It’s also a lot harder to keep trim when you have two faces.

*spew*

you can send the keyboard replacement check to Ellie Elliott, El Street, Elliott Town.

perhaps spew was the wrong choice of word.

Sending it via the El train.

Gun-control is one of dozens of third-rails in American politics. Thank goodness for checks and balances.

What was all that eavesdropping for, anyway, if not to catch up with guys like this? What, the Fibbies thought Quakers were more dangerous?

He was corresponding with an Imam.

Maybe… Richard Nixon was a Quaker.

Richard Nixon’s mother was a Quaker.

Nice video. Back when “super-groups” could transport all their gear in one small truck.

:)

they did indeed

Are the gun purchases minimized? Do they wipe clean all the online communication with my debit card issuing bank or credit card company, or just a file they keep of purchases for 24 hours? Seems like an awful lot of work just to ensure the 2nd amendment gets the respect it deserves; why not just ship the data to the Feds, who seem to lately exhibit an insatiable appetite for the stuff?

By all accounts Dick was too although they probably don’t claim him.

Here’s a bit of useless trivia, Tricia Nixon is a Sidwell Friends School alumnus (but not sister Julie). Dan Froomkin also attended Sidwell Friends.

The only people they want to contain are the ones who want real change. You know, peeps like us. Letting the “muslim killer types” do what they will only makes the reactionaries more resolved to take away our liberties. Compare the treatment of the Teabaggers with the demonstrators at the repug convention. And do we ever hear anything about McVeigh and his ilk? Or was the lack of appropriate response to the Fort Hood shooter just reversed mission creep?

All things receive a pass if you are Republican. Bill Clinton was responsible for 9/11 despite having a counter-terrorism program and Bush/Cheney/Ashcroft were not even though they pulled the plug on the program during their first 8 months in office.

We just keep breeding domestic terrorists in Kansas, i.e., Fred the Asshole Phelps, Sam Snake Eyes Brownback, Scott Shoot ‘Em Up Roeder, and Timothy McVeigh’s cohort in crime. Sad fact, guns do kill people.

So does Todd Tiahrt count?

(I’m thinking he’s more like an accomplice)

An enabler, at the very least…

Hi Eli. Great post. Guns don’t kill people– reckless NRA-funded policies do.

Tiarht is possibly the GOP nominee for the Senate, and if so (from Kansas) he’ll likely be elected to succeed Brownback. Yay!

That’s what I like about this place. You know exactly what to say to make me feel better.

Gun control is not possible without drug legalization.From the retail drug dealer who fences the stolen guns of addicted customers to international suppliers, these markets are completely symbiotic and fungible.Even Dubya ? If memory serves,we were all terrorist suspects under Dubya.

I don’t see what the point of this post is. That progressives should support the denial of civil liberties to people on the terror watch list?

There are approximately 1.3 million people on the list, the vast majority of which have never been suspected of any crime. The list is permanent and there is no way to appeal, despite the fact that it causes you to be harassed whenever you fly and employment discrimination has also been reported.

I’m sure the corporatists will be more than happy to further abridge our civil rights in the name of homeländ security. I see no reason we should help them.

wild west shootouts are a wingnut’s bestess wet dream. And of course in that space that is reserved for normal people’s minds, in wingnut world, the wingnut is always the hero killing the islamofascist in a blaze of bullets right before the cops arrive.

There may be a medium term solution: have Congress draft a law that says the largest caliber a man can own is the caliber into which his Cheney will snugly fit. That would maximize caliber size, especially amongst wingnuts, to roughly a .22-short. Not the perfect solution, obviously, but still in line with the “keep and bear arms” proviso.

This piece is typical of you people. Any chance to attack the Second Amendment you jump at.
If citizens don’t have the right to defend themselves they will be sitting ducks (think Chicago).
One reassuring fact: In the US there are more guns than people.
In the US there are more guns than people. (I just love saying that).

You need at least a 38 special to stop someone from killing you.

(I just love saying that).

that’s typical of you people

You know since most of you people do not seem all that knowledgeable about guns, let me give you a few pointers. Consider it kind of a public service.
First, I recommend all of you own at least ten guns, three rifles and seven handguns. The three rifles should include one assault rifle and one with a telescopic sight. The seven handguns should include at least three revolvers (more dependable).
If you can’t afford ten guns, then at least own five.
Use at least a 38 Special. A lesser caliber has a good chance of getting you killed by not stopping the intruder. Also, hollow point bullets are preferred in self defense. You want to kill the intruder but you don’t want the bullet to go through him (or her) and hit someone else. Hollow points will prevent this.
When you feel you life is in danger (intruder) remember don’t pull the trigger, squeeze it. Also, when you aim, you want to hit your target dead center. To accomplish this aim up and slightly to the right to compensate for the natural tendency to shoot low and left.
Fire two shots then count to two. Then fire two more shots and count to two again. Continue until you run out of bullets or until you hear a loud thud.
If you don’t think you can remember this, print off my post and tape it up somewhere at home.

truth.

Excellent. Just because some people believe that the police are there to protect them(big myth) does not mean that they can force their antigun rules on the majority of citizens in this country-there are, as of the last time I looked, CCW laws in 38 states and as of today, I do not see the bloodbath predicted by the antigun people. If someone breaks into your house, what will you do to defend yourself? The police will clean up after and maybe catch the crook, but you are still dead. But you did not protect yourself, so you must feel pretty good about that, no?

FYI My 13 year-old daughter does pretty well with a .357 Desert Eagle. Her 16 year-old brother does even better with a .44. And, I am about as politically liberal as you can get. One of my goals for the new year is a concealed carry permit. I think you would be surprised how many of us “progressives” believe it is an individual right.

Ah, there ya go destroying tinman’s perfectly good stereotype of all libruls as unable to handle a fire arm and shoot or anything.

He doesn’t quite understand that some of us grew up in the country, learned firearm safety from our fathers, attended the local Rod & Gun club camps and have even served in the military.

I’m a very good shot, if I don’t mind saying so myself. And good with a bow and arrow, too.

No, I don’t. I’m seventy, and thus far haven’t even needed a pea-shooter.

Guns are for cowards only.

Where the hell do you live? The last four intruders I had were last Thursday morning — four mule deer does in my backyard at about dawn. Two were laying down, watching whatever deer watch, one was munching grass, the other sneaking some bird seed out of the bird feeder. That’s the most “intruders” I’ve ever seen at one time in seventy years — unless I would have counted the blackbirds in the spruce trees when I was a kid.

Where did your paranoia come from? Any ideas? Too much TV, maybe? Comic books?

My 13 year-old daughter does pretty well with a .357 Desert Eagle. Her 16 year-old brother does even better with a .44. My kids do pretty well with… There, I fixed it for you.

I hope for your sake you never need a gun. In fact, since you’ve never owned one (and sounds like you’ve never fired one), for my safety, please don’t buy one.

Not to speak for frugalchariot but I think that’s the point – very very few people “need” a gun of any sort.

Actually, I learned how to shoot when I was ten years old and yes, I owned gun/guns until I matured and realized that since I no longer cared to hunt, why should I have a gun? That was fifty years ago. Interestingly enough, no one has killed me, nor have I been forced to kill anyone who was trying to kill me. I even retired my pea shooter. Guns are useless. Except, of course, for males with small Cheneys, or for cowards — assuming there’s a difference.

Very Very troubling.

I am a firm supporter of gun ownership just as I am a strong supporter of gay marriage rights, a strict separation of church and state, and sweeping reproductive rights but this gun law is completely insane. Insane doesn’t even cover it.

This law is so defective its perpetrators should star as the crazies on the crime show Criminal Minds. This 24 hour law is born of pathological pugnacious paranoia. Its obsessive compulsive and belongs in a study of stupid laws.

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“Islamic terrorists”? .. we have plenty of christians ones, and jewish ones too.

How about American terrorist?

You shouldn’t be troubled thales, these gun haters are not progressives.There has always been this element of culturally sheltered paternalism who will gladly give up their freedoms pursuant to trampling over others’.They ,,like the tea baggers ,are too simple to even reflect on their fascistic nature.