On the one hand, I deal with this stuff all week, reading practically everything you see here, and plenty you see somewhere else, and I really don’t need to spend my leisure time going over it all again. But, on the other hand, I feel extremely fortunate to be involved at this level, to have the time and responsibility to get so immersed, and to have the opportunity to help in the fight for a better system, and so I am glad to share what I know.
Or think I know. . . because, of course, when you have to explain a subject to someone else, you reveal to not only some relative expertise, but also the deficits in your knowledge. So, while I responded to question after question, many with answers far too full of caveats and qualifiers for my taste, we all kept coming back to one difficult follow-up after another, all with the same underlying theme: What we will get, if and when a health care reform bill is signed (and I believe something will be signed), will be less than we want, less than some expected during the 2008 campaign, and quite possibly, less than good.
Then what?
I am given to fretting about the consequences awaiting Democrats in the 2010 midterms if they pass a narrow bill with many reforms pushed past 2012; given to worrying what happens when Mr. & Ms. Voter look at their bank accounts and their medical bills and says, “This? This is what we all worked so hard to get? This is what we were supposed to hope for?” The promise of change delayed will look an awful lot like change denied.
And then what will happen? Well, I saw it, even last night, at the dinner table. You see, for everyone that might have been interested and engaged in this discussion, there were about as many who were not. Some were simply disinterested; others were actively hostile.
Some of them were opposed to discussing any of the ins and outs of this absurdly complicated process because, as they said, we all know what the best answer is, the best answer is single payer, Medicare for all, and why are we fighting for anything else?
Others exhibited an even less engaged form of active hostility (if there is such a thing): Nothing ever happens—we keep getting told if we work hard, things will change, and then they don’t change; all sides are just part of some ugly game—stop trying to make me play.
I have my specific arguments for both. If you want a Medicare-for-all bill, go out and organize for it. Demand your representatives commit to it, if they won’t, work like hell to replace them. We have had since the mid-‘90s to regroup and strategize; it is no longer enough to be “right”—not sure it ever was.
And I find cynicism just plain selfish. You might be lucky enough to have a ball that you are just going to take and go home, and maybe you can afford to do that, but I don’t think that absolves you of responsibility for what happens. There are too many in this land of plenty that don’t have a “ball,” that have to spend all of their energy (to extend this metaphor maybe one step too far) just trying to stay on the field, and if you don’t instinctually feel some compassion for their potential suffering, then at least acknowledge that your relative success is in part sustained by the struggle of so many others.
But all of this disinterest seemed to have something larger in common, and through all of the questions from those who were interested, I think I gained a little bit more understanding of it because I found myself thinking and then saying something a little odd.
With apologies to George Lucas, who really stole it from Russ Myer, I came to say: Don’t be; try.”
This is not a steady-state universe, nor a unidirectional march to enlightenment. It is not enough to be right and call it a day. As exhausting, frustrating, and infuriating, as it is, you have to try to make it right. And then you have to keep trying. Because the system is broken in many places, and it will be very hard to get it all “right” with one effort.
And, in a country as large as this—in a world as intricately interconnected as this—what is “right” is bound to change. . . sometimes very quickly. Which is perhaps unfair, since changing “wrong” seems to happen very slowly—but I don’t see any other choice, how can you not try?
And that brings me to the seasonally appropriate part of this musing. Next week, I will mark a year here as editor at Firedoglake, and because it is hard to keep trying to change things every damn day, I know that I would not have lasted this long without the support of so very many: from Jane, and the great writers, editors, administrators, moderators, and techies, who prop me up every day and catch me every time I start to fall, to some very special people who have nothing whatever to do with FDL, who tell me to hang in there, or just put up with me and my ridiculous schedule. And, of course, because I believe that it is not that a tree falling in a forest does not make a sound, but that it doesn’t matter without someone to hear it, I am thankful for all the readers, commenters, and activists who are part of this FDL community because without all of you, there would be no be, and the trying would be very much harder.
Good tidings—and good “tryings”—one and all.



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Thanks for all you have done in the past year – seen and unseen. You have worked miracles here.
Happy anniversary, Gregg — FDL is a better place for all your efforts.
Happy anniversary Gregg!
Let’s hope it doesn’t take another Pearl Harbor to awaken the sleeping giant that is America’s enormous capacity.
Oh, wait.
Seriously, I don’t have an answer.
And Gregg who?
Author of this post.
Let me guess: five is your lucky number..
If I had a lucky number I probably smoked it.
See, my lucky number is “J”.
You can never have too many, unless you get pulled over.
Egregious, thank you for helping with my login problems. Much appreciated.
Gregg, Congratulations and keep up the good work.
I have to remind myself everyday the fight is worth the effort. Heck, we should win one every now and then. I’m still waiting. All the promise of this country seems so vain. And we continue to hope.
It just may be that that capacity has been so eroded that it won’t be there ever again. That’s my fear.
I continue to be struck with how uninformed the majority of us are as to just the basics of logic and science, and thoroughly confused as to medical matters. I don’t blame them. I blame the corporate machines marketing everything from snake oil to the more deadly lies and misinformation..
As Gregg is, I think, describing most folks take a lot of educating before one can even get to the facts.
Peter Finch was right:
“Leave me alone and let me watch my teevee and enjoy my steel-belted radials.”
Or something like that.
If infidelity to the Constitution won’t wake ‘it’ up, I don’t know what will. Breadlines, perhaps.
Gregg, thank you. For this post, and all you do every day. Thank you.
Thanks for this story and the musings, Gregg.
I’m currently in LA with my kids [young adults]. Today we went to an exhibit [two, actually] on the Civil Rights movement.
The first exhibit was the “booking photographs” of Freedom Riders at Parchman Prison [MS] in 1961. Next to each was a “current photo,” and a write up of what the individual had been doing over the last 50 years. Fascinating seeing the energy and commitment of these folks; prompted musings of where those qualities are today.
The second exhibit was of photos from freedom rides, protests, the Poor People’s March, etc. Again, it was moving to see how hard folks worked, how devoted they were, how they never gave up.
Again, in the midst of all the horrible injustice and poverty in this country, where is the mass movement, the marches, the demonstrations?
Thank you, Gregg, for your efforts to help ignite the spark.
Crikey
has it been that long? *winkity*
There’s a harbor full of pearls?
I will have to cogitate on this a bit…
Be careful what you wish for, the next mass movement is not guaranteed to be from the left.
mMmmm brownies.
You is a wise man, Sir RFood
I should have said ‘was.’
Now it is probably whatever would be my ideal cholesterol level.
Oh my! Yummy nums!
I like this sentence very much.
I don’t know if it’s full but there ARE Minnie.
Gregg, you do a great job and we are lucky to have you here. I especially like the idea of “don’t be, do.”
thanks.
he hee he
its been a year? already?
happy anniversary gregg. may you always have time for pie
Brownies?
Pie?
If it weren’t for that turkey soup…
I do too.
Wow, not a lot of thoughtful replies to a rather well thought out post by Mr. Levine. Anyhow.. The ramifications of failure to the Democratic caucus are going to be very clear in the next 12 months. Not just Republicans, but fire breathing conservative Republican will start taking seats of Democrats and formerly-moderate Republicans. These folks won’t show a fraction of the timidity of their liberal counter parts in enacting their ideological agenda.
It’s maddening to me to see Democrats so scared of the mandate they were given. They bound themselves to the media’s framework instead of challenging it head on. As the media shouts “too far, too radical, Socialist?” they put lunatics like Glenn Beck on the cover of mainstream news magazines as if he’s a rational commenter with worthy and reasoned opinions.
As a result we get a weak supreme court pick, a stimulus watered down with tax-cuts, more troops in Afghanistan, and in all likely hood, a health care bill that ends up benefiting the trillion dollar insurance lobby instead of the people sick and dying for lack of care.
The march of progress is not forever forward, we face a real danger of backsliding and some very scary people getting their hands on the reigns of power because the people we elected were too scared to lead.
Gregg asks the question Then what? with reference to a bad bill, but he never answers what public option supporters will do. And that’s important because we have known for a considerable length of time now that whatever bill comes out of this process will be not just bad but godawful. So while all this talk of Try sounds nice it rather misses the point. The question I have as a single payer advocate for backers of the public option is What will it take to move you into opposition? Try as in supporting the process only makes sense if there is a reasonable chance of getting something minimally worthwhile out of the process. That is not going to happen. So what is your endgame, Gregg? What do you get out of sticking with a bad process and a worse product, except blown credibility? And of course it won’t be just your credibility that will be damaged but a lot of us out here who as you derisively say got it right. I see a schism on the left, not just between Democrats and progressives but among progressives between those who support single payer and those who went for the PO. The PO has fallen apart. Yet rather than dissecting what went wrong with their product and their effort Gregg, at least for me, seems to be trying to tell the rest of us where we went wrong.
Pie? Oh, no….
Been there, and seemingly determined to do that again.
I keep seeing these statistics – that more and more people think that Darwin was full of beans – and someone noted today that, if asked while standing next to a neighbor for instance, of course they would answer that way. But I am not so sure. We may indeed be subconsciously driven to lazy-ass our way to Gomorrah.
I don’t have a ball, and I certainly don’t need a rock which this bill would likely give me and others with poor or moderate incomes.
Don’t get me wrong. I can’t overstate my appreciation for Jane and everyone at FDL for your efforts, but it looks like any legislation likely to pass will be horribly compromised. Worse, it will destroy proponents of real reform politically for
yearsdecades.I kind of think that those of us who thought we were electing a leader are still feeling kind of blindsided by the wimpola and his minions who have sold us down the river. My neocon twin brother kept saying, “You don’t know who you are supporting. You’ll be sorry.” And I didn’t. And I am.
The rub is that handing a deafening political defeat to Obama is no guarantee that he will turn around and pursue honest and sensible reform next year, or the year after that, and so on. The issue would likely become so radio-active that another 15 years would pass before anyone musters the sack to try again.
And this is a singular failure of Presidential leadership. We are on Obama’s timetable, and if he was not prepared to do it right, why do it at all?
That is, IMHO, the question we should be asking ourselves, long term: Why now?
WADR, your neocon bro was correct, but in a manner he could not possibly have imagined.
As Frank Rich suggested. We’ve been punked.
The RhamObamas have extended great energy to enfeeble any efforts by the progressive caucus and grass roots groups to stand up for what Obama promised..
Personally I have had enough of my values thrown back in my face for the money, phone calls and house parties I gave or participated in.
right beside you, TS
sad irony, to be sure
WADR? (I’m slow on this stuff.) But, no…..he told me he thought Obama was an empty suit with no experience and a cadre of bad friends. He figured Obama would be a one-termer and leave us all in bad shape — maybe not as bad as McCain would have, but bad. My brother & father, both die-hard Republicans, refused to vote for McCain, but both would have voted for Hillary —- the devil you know. You know?
“Beware the Socialist Revolution” is their mantra.
We should only be so lucky, compared to these developments.
Sorry – With All Due Respect…
And I would prefer an empty suit with bad friends, to a Ronald Reagan Republican.
Thank you, Gregg, for the thoughtful post and the year of accomplishments. It’s been a hell of a year.
Sometimes I wonder how much more fight I’ve got left in me. Then I smack myself upside the head for being a whiner.
I’m getting a look at how socialized healthcare works this week. My brother in Finland is in an extremely serious medical situation. The difference in attitude alone is shocking. When I talk via long distance to the nurses and neurosurgeon it feels so comfortable and relaxed. There isn’t going to be a catastrophic bill and they’re using all the latest equipment. there’s no sense of hurry. They actually talk of letting his body rest and regroup before the next procedure!
I can’t stomach the Health Reform bullshit after seeing a glimpse of real healthcare. I’d only read about it before. It’s better in real life. It’s worth fighting for.
If the conversation took place in the Spring, I’d agree with you, but we are not alchemists and the pile of base metals the options being considered by congress is, will never transmute into any part of gold.
The problem is not that Yoda is wrong, but that we don’t use that standard when renewing incumbents. We are the bosses and we are whining that our employees don’t do what we want. The Power is ours, and we loan it in 2- 4- or 6-year chunks for the purpose of our needs being served. The arrogant bastards (AB’s} now in office have somehow come to believe it is their power. And once they get that way it’s beneath them to listen to us. They are the cynical ones, in that they believe that anything they say will be accepted as reality, despite obvious action to the contrary. The entire Congress, save for fewer than 5 have demonstrated that there is nothing so weak as to be unworthy of us. Why?, because many of them have been delivering this level of performance for decades, and have been returned to office.
Some of these AB’s were so unwilling to do what we wanted them to do that they wouldn’t even discuss if they would do it. Some of these AB’s are so corrupt, that they are promising billions of our grandchildren’s dollars to greedy extortionists in exchange for a very small cut of the take. Some of these AB’s just like being in power, effectively doing nothing but occupying a slot a public servant could otherwise use. And some AB’s, this term, are just absolutely refusing to do their job at all, in order to try to make another of our employee’s look bad. For whatever reason you care to assign, your congressman and senators have not been working for you. Because Washington DC is now wholly rhetorically-driven, if only 70% get fired, they’ll make up a rationalization that it was this or that. To reassert our Ascendency as the source of Power under the constitution, we all must fire all of our incumbents. If we do it in ’10, we may not have to fire so many in ’12, and we’ll have real healthcare reform in place by the next election – not 2014!
I would like to suggest that all the angry,disillusioned,combative,yet beloved commenters check out the music of Playing For Change.Peace Through Music. playingforchange.com The perfect solution. It’s time to rise above the pain. Time to reconnect with the humanity we all feel. In other words “Break Time”.
I have no connection to this awesome project. Well, except that they made holiday gifts easy and affordable. One deluxe set- DVD and CD. But wait!!!! If you go to playingforchange.com right now you can buy a double deluxe set[2 pack] for the same price as a single. $20 plus shipping. I’m paying $2 shipping for 3-4 day ground. Also, Grandpa Elliot released his first CD this year. I’m putting it in my shopping cart. We saw him in concert for the Playing For Change tour. $13. I could have bought it at the hall and had him sign it. Damn!!
Doesn’t it just fuck with your head when there’s no Capitalism involved?
Right on! Our problem in Pablum Rick Larsen’s district in Washington state is that it’s an ingrained process. Elected for life seems to be the state motto. Though I’ve noticed he’s actually sending out a lot of “constituent” communication. He sure didn’t do that the last election. He never got off his butt until the August healthcare town halls. He’s Blue Dog in an increasingly progressive state. Wonder if he has concerns.?
stupid me. i thought i was – i though supporting fdl and the political progressive blogosphere WAS supporting the infrastructure that was going to be part of that organizing. after all, for years, everyone claimed to be for single payer universal heathcare as the only solution. how was i supposed to know that a dem party elite position was going to be supported instead of any policy that made sense (compromise or not) and the thousands people who had been doing on the ground grass roots organizing, educating and policy analysis were going to be treated as the enemy?
i was open to being persuaded (even blindly supported the whip efforts here). but when after many many requests over a period of months for a detailed explanation of what the policy was and how it was supposed to work — something more than nonsensical talking points (or worse, dishonest propaganda provided by hcan) — and having my questions ignored or worse, i went back to supporting the only policies i think can actually work and won’t discredit progressives.
that’s not hostile and i’m tired of it being mischaracterized as such.
I might be missing something..not a huge surprise..but doesn’t all this just funnel down to a simple solution. Kill The Bill. Period. It’s shit.
Obama can not be our savior. We’re gonna have to do this one ourselves. So I’m throwing my trust to Jane and FDL. Marcy,Gregg, Bmaz,oh so many others. Alan Grayson. The only politician who thanked me for my support without overtly asking for more. Wyden.Etc.
Peace.
BTW Frank Rich gets paid big bucks to have opinions and a make-up artist.
He’s no Yoda.
A shill is a shill, no matter how life inexperienced. I’d love to watch Frank Rich physically solve a drainage problem on his land. Or fix a dead battery.
Oh man, I think it could be a new Reality TV thing. Lilly white manicured hands doing real life shit.
Yeah, I know what you mean. I think we liberals, being the smart folks we are, usually have the right approach. But I see a limiting belief in myself and others that once we have the smart approach laid out it will be recognized. Now if any stupids are reading this – the following is just a joke. The problem is the stupids don’t understand the smart approach. They want to use a smart approach, but they are stupid, and they just get it wrong. I have on occasion lamented the stupid, and blamed them unjustly.
I have come to see that it is an even playing field both Left and Right have the job of winning over the stupid. We smart liberals just keep saying smart stuff, while the Right communicates with the stupid at their own level, and gets their message across. Makes me rethink who the stupids are.
Now all we citizens are being victimized by a common oppressor – Congress. Our oppressor is dividing us by raising up false choices, cleverly naming their policies with emotional misdirection, and throwing out a few crumbs to some of us desperate not to lose them. If we are so smart, we must find a way to convince the stupids to join us – they wont understand the wonk argument – we need to find a way to reinforce a positive emotional response to our side, or a fear response – it’s just basic marketing. Once we take our congress back, the level of public discourse can once again match our expectations from civics class.
“My neocon twin brother kept saying, “You don’t know who you are supporting. You’ll be sorry.” And I didn’t. And I am.” –
Your neo-con brother should be pretty pleased by now. Obama is and always was a conservative. The continuing effect of the skillful marketing of Obama is that people still refuse to believe he’s a right-winger even as he proves it over and over again.
http://www.zcommunications.org/znet/viewArticle/23196
completely agree with you here.
and not just obama, looking for political saviors doesn’t work. the hard work of democracy puts the responsibility squarely on the citizen. all citizens.
that’s why i don’t think it’s fair to look to even people like jane and marcy. first, because everyone sometimes gets stuff wrong and no one can do it all.. second, because that’s not how democracy works. we are every bit as responsible to do our own thinking (even if we’re not as smart, talented, etc – speaking for me, not you) as they are. and finally, because we have our own moral responsibility to figure out what we think is right and wrong, and putting that on any other human is an unfair burden to them and a shirking of our own responsibility.
my two cents.
we have a hostile media and a hostile political process (Ds too). not enough people read the blogs. so unless we ally ourselves with a hostile media or the D party, our only way to really get the message out is the hard work of local organizing. talking to anyone who will listen. giving talks, organizing teach ins. going door to door. leafleting. actions that force attention and appeal to the moral sense of the community.
it’s really really hard work and it takes a very long time to even begin to see change (it’s been that way for all human rights struggles). but i’ll put my faith in the american people, even the right wingers who can be persuaded, long before i’ll put my faith in the politicians who have been bought and sold by the corporate interests we fight against.
this is social movement politics. not deecee politics as usual.
Good point!
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Exactly! We should pay closer attention to Pat Buchanan, slime bucket that he is. It has been a cultural war and frankly they have won.. We accuse them, and rightly so, of living in another reality. But we have also. We have treated the past 30 years as the usual politics of personality. The cultural warriors have been attacking our very cultural values transforming both parities.
I don’t think we need to give up on capturing more of the public media. My response to openhope about Frank Rich is he may be a shill but he is our shill. We need more.
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The DNC doesn’t work for us, it works for the elected officials. We don’t have any commonality of interest with them while the imperial congress thinks they’re in charge.
It is social movement politics, and it is the class warfare Warren Buffet so correctly pointed out his side is winning. Our challenge is to find a way to bring our entire class together in our fight against our common oppressor. And the term social movement will not bridge that communication gap between the tea-baggers and the rest of us abused citizens.
They’re all fired up by our corrupt Democratic Administration already because the shills of the Corporate Kleptocracy have fired them up. We only need to expand the target of their anger to the other 45% too. They’re pissed, they want to take some action; make it to join us in voting the bastards out. And if we’re smart we’ll have some primary candidates to replace the current batch of Democratic incumbents with true active progressives. Perhaps we could call it something like the “hey congress, we got your Change right here” movement. Kind of catchy, no? If the Corporatists can join the tea-baggers, why can’t we. But we don’t reason with them, we just shift their target to the right one and help them to the ballot box.
did you know that close to 200 (last i heard) people have been arrested for nonviolent civil disobedience in support of universal healthcare? that in 2 months almost 1000 people have committed to do so? that there are unpaid grass roots organizers in most (i think all, but i don’t know that for a fact) states doing things like educating, researching and writing legislation?
http://mobilizeforhealthcare.org/
http://www.guaranteedhealthcare.org/
http://www.pnhp.org/
http://www.calnurses.org/media-center/press-releases/2009/november/statement-by-cna-nnoc-executive-director-rose-ann-demoro-on-the-house-bill-on-healthcare.html
http://www.healthcare-now.org/
when i was doing antiwar organizing in 2002 and 2003 it was easier to get favorable press from a nyt owned newspaper than it is today for universal healthcare actions to get favorable press from most progressive blogs.
great ideas! and i love “hey congress, we got your Change right here!”
lots to be done, both inside and outside the system. for those who try to work the system from the inside and don’t triangulate against the outsiders, i’ll cheer them on. sometimes we can work with dems, sometimes even with republicans. but i don’t think there are many insiders — and in this i sadly must include the leadership of top down party associated organizations like moveon, etc. — who are actually on our side. doesn’t mean we can’t sometimes work with them though.
my two cents.
It doesn’t matter. People on the Left and People on the Right have a common oppressor in the Corporate Kleptocracy. They have us divided. First we all, both sides, need to take back our country for the People. The People have been skillfully divided against our own interests. Half of us cannot defeat the CK alone because they have all the media.
I like Talking Stick’s Pat Buchanan suggestion in 56, he’ll know how to get the racists and the isolationists into the coalition. We can use the theft of the SocSec Trust fund to be transferred to the bankers to get the AARP set. Bankers do enough stupid things every day to bring all of us together if we put the proper spin in it.
One difficult issue is the co-opting of Jesus by the Kleptocracy, we need to get some sympathetic clergy to get the man walked with the dinosaurs crowd pointed in the right direction.
excellent point! amy goodman and friends for example are amazing. but for media that depends on corporate and/or party $$$ to survive (and sadly that is true of many/most blogs), it’s tough going, but that doesn’t mean there can’t be real wins and forward progress. my feeling is work all angles and press for weak points. sorta like the 50 state strategy, you never know where an unforeseen opening will appear.
very very true.
…. gotta go, peace out friends.
Two things I guess …
On the basic question of ethics and effort, what else can we do but keep on walking? Frankly only time will tell what the results of our actions have been because the world’s complex and it’s impossible to control outcomes. We’ve taken … and are taking … our best shot out of what’s available, and need to keep doing so even when things look bad.
We’re here to try and keep trying, right? Or do and keep doing … it amounts to the same thing. Yoda’s persona wasn’t talking about results, but about action.
The strategic and tactical question is another matter … given how things stand now, with a crescent moon of a public option that may or may not open up future possibilities, what makes sense? At what point do we pull our support for the bill and urge our cooperating representatives (the Progressive Caucus or some of it in the House, a few voices in the Senate) to exercise their promise and bring down the bill.
I’m not seeing too many ways that makes sense now. If the employer market is dying, we need at least a private market that doesn’t do recission and preexisting. If it isn’t we need the private market without recission to protect those of us who aren’t employed.
Yes, the insurance will be crappy. Are we certain that it’s impossible to direct that outrage towards where it belongs … to the crappy insurance providers? Everyone is saying the rage will go to the Democrats (with some justice), but is that really true, and is that the whole story? I’m not sure it’s wise to burn down the house.
In short, while I think we’ve been sold out, and hate the fact, I’m not sure that it’s in our interest as a people to bring down the bad bill, simply because the status quo is even worse.
But right or wrong … and I’m as conflicted on this as any of us … the main thing is to keep on walking.
Two words, Gregg: Ponzi Scheme.
Or, as we say it in our peculiar California dialect, “Dianne Feinstein.”