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I’ve been looking at the list of signers on the conservative “Manhattan Declaration” that was released yesterday.
One group of signers are the leading culture warriors and theological purists in the Roman Catholic church. Cardinal Rigali of Philadelphia was joined by conservative archbishops like Chaput (Denver), Dolan (NY), Kurtz (Louisville), Naumann (KC Kansas), and Wuerl (DC), and bishops like Malone (Portland ME), Olmsted (Phoenix), Sheridan (Colorado Springs), and Cordileone (Oakland). Many of these were part of the efforts in Maine to overturn same-sex marriage, and are pushing against the DC city council over the same issue.
But notice who *isn’t* on that list. Other than Rigali, no active cardinals signed on (no Mahony in LA, George in Chicago, or O’Malley in Boston), nor any of the retired ones. This isn’t a broad representation of the leadership of the USCCB, but a narrow slice of it — those concerned with theological purity, both inside and outside the church.
Another group that’s easy to spot are the evangelicals: James Dobson and Jim Daly from Focus on the Family, Chuck Colson, Jonathan Falwell, Richard Land, Russell Moore (Dean of Southwestern Baptist Seminary in Louisville), Tony Perkins, and various others. They’ve been fighting their purity battles as well, not only in political circles but also the in-house battles within their groups and denominations.
A third group, and less obvious unless you follow the doings of the Episcopal church, are four Anglicans: Bishops Peter J. Akinola of Nigeria, Martin Minns of the Convocation of Anglicans of North America, and Robert William Duncan of the Anglican Church of North America, as well as David Anderson of the American Anglican Council.All four of these are part of the conservatives who have split off from the Episcopal Church, when the election of a female archbishop and a gay bishop proved too much for them. These are the Anglican counterparts to the RC purists.
What makes these three groups interesting to me is the rather unnatural alliance among them. They may be united on abortion, gays, and a desire to be able to practice discrimination in their secular practices without breaking the law, but there are a lot of things that divide them.
Catholics and evangelicals have a long history of mistrust. Theologically, Catholics view evangelicals as lacking in respect for the hierarchy of the church, while evangelicals look askance at Catholic rituals, vestments, and papal authority. On political issues, they are similarly divided. As long as “culture of life” only means “abortion,” things are fine between these groups; once you start talking about capital punishment, however, they are at opposite ends of the spectrum.The USCCB has been on record calling for the abolition of the death penalty for decades, while resolutions by the Southern Baptist Conference and the National Association of Evangelicals demonstrate their strong support for it. Similarly, despite Benedict’s outreach to disaffected Anglicans, even the conservative Anglicans like being Anglicans.
So why unite on these issues?
Timothy Kincaid at Box Turtle Bulletin has an idea about that:
While on the face of it, this manifesto purports to be a rededication to fight two specific political issues, I think that this is but surface dressing for a deeper meaning.
This is not a war over civil marriage definition – nor, indeed, has that ever been the real motivation behind anti-gay marriage drives. Rather, this is a war over religious domination, a fight over who is “really a Christian” and an effort on the part of a long-suffering religious subset to spite those who have long had what they coveted.
And what they have coveted is power — inside the church and out in the political world. As the Washington Post notes today, “Some political activists said the declaration was evidence of evangelical leaders trying to lure back Catholics who voted Democratic in 2006 and last year.”
I sense that we’re going to be seeing and hearing a lot from these folks, so get used to it. This is an opening salvo in a new round of the culture wars. But these warriors are going to have a tough time keeping this group together, because there is a lot that divides them. While there are short term benefits to this partnership, the battles each group is fighting for purity inside their own community will, in the long run, make it harder for them to keep their alliance for purity together with the others.
Stay tuned.
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One last thing. Before anyone starts talking about yanking tax exemptions, take a deep breath and do some reading at the IRS website. According to the IRS, a 501(c)3 tax exempt organization (like a church but also including groups like the Humane Society) cannot endorse candidates, but they can speak out on issues, lobby their elected officials and unelected government bureaucrats, and advocate for ballot propositions. They can financially back their words with lobbying efforts, as long as the spending doesn’t amount to a “substantial part” of their overall budgets. This document and the related political efforts aren’t even close to crossing that line. More on all this can be found on the IRS FAQ.



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That’s a perfect picture to go with this post. Indeed, who would Jesus hate?
In answer to the photo,”Who Would Jesus Hate?”He would hate all the egotistical,lying,hypocritical bigots that would bother to sign the damn thing.
Thanks for this, Peterr.
One more thing.Speaking of egotistical,lying,hypocritical bigots.Look at the senate debate today.And let’s not forget our Rock Star In Chief.I had such great hopes when Obama was elected.I can’t even bring myself to call him President anymore.
I’m a little surprised that these people haven’t called for healthcare reform to deny benefits to gays. I mean.. they already have the Stupak amendment… so why not take the next obvious step?
Jesus would not be at all happy with the “money changers” who seem to run our world today. At every level it’s all about money and I don’t know how we stop it.
Akinola is a revolting human being, beneath contempt. Christian? I doubt it.
From the Britannica link above:
He’s an affront to humanity.
I don’t think Jesus would hate anyone, but he might be inclined to advance an enlightened point of view in order to attempt to teach them a lesson. Most of the Pharisees never learned and continued in their scumbag ways. The fact that people can carry a sign like speaks volumes, as does the merchandise being sold with that Psalm being used to advocate something really heinous.
I could go on but cannot. Too depressing for words.
The despicalbe Jesus campers have a new vile trick.
Praying for President Obama’s death and for the impoverishment of his children.
-G
[Trying to figure out how to tie Declaration with Project in a way that doesn't get me mod'd]
Excellent post, thank you. I believe this is a sign of the oncoming battle to convert the United States into a theocracy. It is no secret that this has been a goal of some elements of the so-called “Christian” right. (These folks stopped reading the Bible after the Old Testament, so they don’t even really know who Jesus Christ was). However, the fact that so many high level leaders of the RC Church are now allying themselves with the Christianists is truly alarming. How long before Sarah Palin (or someone like her) is a legitimate candidate for President? I shudder to think…but I trust the Constitution is still strong enough to withstand such assaults.
I like to think Jesus would use his jesus-power to turn all these sick well-fed Cheney-church pigs into penniless homeless disease-stricken forcibly impregnated 12-year-old girls.
*sigh* i always did think jesus was just too nice ..
Peterr, you really have a tough time keep this one on point, but I will try: I did take a breath and I did read what the IRS says about tax-exempt status, but the fact remains that these religious constituencies do tacitly endorse candidates and anyone who thinks they are not financing candidates by funneling money thru “non-profits” really must think that over. So I maintain that if they want to advocate for a position or a candidate in the public arena they should have their tax exempt status revoked. I know, I know, I know, I heard you the first time. But that don’t make it okay. These are political entities just as insurance and banking lobbies are.
I am deeply invested in my own spiritual consciousness. I have no dispute with people of faith: these are not people of faith, they are corporations and should be treated as such.
Asking such absurb questions as “Who would Jesus hate?” is, in my understanding, as deeply divested of real alignment with Christ as assuming you have an answer to the question.
And as far as I can tell our president has been as deferential to all people of faith as anyone possibly can. Just because he lives his life in his own skin does not make him disingenuous: sometimes I think many people just hate that he accepts himself with such ease that it makes less aligned people envious.
Anyone who brings their own bias to their interpretation of the Constitution, let alone assumes they are the arbiter of all truth according to God, and influences and disrupts other people’s private lives with such bias is a bully. As a person of very personal faith that is what repulses me. And is, to my mind, totally counter to the separation of church and state concept.
It would serve us, I believe, to deal directly with what is before us without judging these folks in the same way they judge and condemn those that oppose them. I am pretty sure Jesus didn’t have that in mind, and if I’m wrong I don’t want to know it.
Culture wars. Abortion. Gays. Stem cells. A Christian nation.
There are other things religionists might ponder, however. For example:
In the 20th century alone, the World Health Organization estimates that 680,000,000 children aged 5 and under died from starvation—one of the most agonizing and protracted ways one can die. Every 24 hours on planet Earth another 18,500 innocent children will similarly die in various 3rd world hellholes. Meanwhile, in the Christian industrial nations [that run the global economy that cause the conditions that lead to the mass starvation], a bad day for some kids is when they only get one instead of two desserts after every each heaping meal. And their God sees all.
Then there are earthquakes and volcanoes and hurricanes and tsunamis and floods and droughts and tornados. They call these *acts of God* with nary a trace of irony.
God is said to be omniscient so he is aware of these horrors; God is said to be omnipotent so he could stop them all at any time. He does absolutely nothing instead.
If, therefore, this allegedly just, merciful and loving God is the foundation upon which these reationary religionists have forged their own moral agenda, they deserve each other.
This ongoing tax exemption argument really needs to stop. I can’t imagine anything more likely to inflame those who claim an anti-Christian bias in American cultural elites than any effort to hinder churches’ operations by removing their favored tax status.
Adherence to government contracting language is something else altogether.
And there it is. We can def go after them for failure to comply. Most every federal contract written had multiple pages of “clauses incorporated by reference” where all they do is list the specific federal laws by name and number and those become part of the contract.
These are often called “Just standard Contractual Boiler-plate” but they are, in fact part of the contract and subject to full enforcement on those accepting federal contracts.
(I saved a previous employer a lot of grief and embarrassment by knowing some of the specific clauses and was able to stop said employer from violating them)
The odd thing is that the evangelicals are moving in the direction of a supreme leader who insists on and enforces a certain purity of doctrinal view, just like the Catholic Pope and the Anglican Archbishop of Canterbury. This is what happens when you abandon a central tenet of Protestant faith, namely the right of the individual to interpret the Bible.
Do you like to give the folks who already think people on the left are “anti-Christian” the extra ammunition they would have if we went after the tax exempt status?
We may feel that it is a wink wink nudge nudge type deal with the line against endorsing specific candidates for office. But, for the most part, the religious organizations are within the existing law.
I think it’s also called picking your battles and this is one the left would lose while losing adherents because of it.
As always, YMMV.
The phrase “theological schizophrenia” comes to mind.
Well Ted Haggard is trying to start a new church
You make a point. It is not a perfect world.
Forgive me for smiling now but I am not a wink wink nudge nudge sort of gal; operating within existing laws or not, that is what these folks are doing. Whether we pick that battle or not — and I agree that picking it would be an exercise in futility — it needs to be observed for what it is. The opinion of an entity whose business is promoting their interpretation of God, is still a business. As such, it is no more valid than any other corporate interest. I just don’t think that we need to be more deferential to those entities because they are in the business of marketing their interpretation of spiritual law.
The reason that I think observing this distinction is so important is that, if we can’t make it, we lose the ability to give that very personal part of ourselves the reverence it warrants. My relationship to “Creation” is critical to my experience in the world and, if I let these folks politicize and co-opt my right to have that experience, I am not do my job.
Get a bunch of true believers together and soon they are a mob doing very un-Godly things. and to top it off, they don’t even have to pay taxes for the privilege, so the rest of are footing the tab for them to disrupt our lives.
That is why, while I may not go to the mat on that fight, I have to keep observing the distinction.
When I was down in rural Texas and some of the good Christians my Moma hangs with out in the country found I out I practiced Buddhism, one of them said, “I pray for you,” a friend of mine said, “Tell her you speak with God everyday and he’s never mentioned you.” That about sums it up.
I don’t think the threat of yanking tax exemptions is any more inflaming to these charlatans than is the actual working towards true equality for all Americans. They will scream like stuck pigs at any hint of cutting off the government gravy train or limiting their special rights and status. I think Thomas Jefferson, George Washington and Ben Franklin would be just as alarmed as we are at their operations and the potential to bring down the republic.
These groups have been unable to create a theocratic America (and each has their own version and lust for ultimate power) through honest appeals to American voters and they have been engaged in subtle and nefarious underhandedness in response to that failure for a long, long time. There is nothing new under the sun. I do strongly object to these lowlifes receiving any kind of taxpayer funding while allowing them to discriminate against any American citizen — let them raise their own funds.
While some religious groups have done good things for the commonweal many, many more have caused untold harm to girls, women, the divorced, families, LGBTs, sexually-active teens, and those whose beliefs are different and I don’t see it balancing out at all. Pretending that advocacy for discrimination, pseudo-science (like abstinence-only education, healing by prayer, etc.), and tax-exempt political machinations are not harmful because it would cause outrage and be hostile towards some religious groups is a very dangerous position to be in.
These zealots are prepared to use any means (see Bernard Slepian, et al; Transgender Day of Remember, etc.) to achieve their ends and they are fighting to the death. Once again liberals, progressives, and good people in general are facing a knife fight with ruthless, cruel, hate-filled people who push their crazies to the front lines and we are armed only with platitudes and goodwill. It may be the way of Jesus, Ghandi, and King and it may win in the end but there will be much suffering and loss along this road. They have successfully infiltrated all levels of our government and society and that is how we ended up with the Michelle Bachmans and Scalias and such anti-American affronts as the “Faith-based Initiatives” office. They are very, very dangerous.
I’ve read your post a few times. You raise some excellent issues so I want to add to that: As a Buddhist, there is a certain acceptance that in this plane of spiritual existance what we are here for is the “suffering” that ego engagement brings into focus. This is a context for clarifying attention and bringing our better selves to the discourse. I have no expectation that we will resolve all this is my lifetime, but my obligation is to make the effort. And to the extent that I can, choosing to respectfully disagree with some people — to adamantly, vehemently disagree — without forgetting that, while I can choose not to engage the behaviour and I may even have to take steps to disarm them, they are entitled to have any experience of “God” they elect to.
NIcely put Gayle. I have explored Buddhism and find it a deep and satisfying well. But these signers, while free to believe whatever they choose about anything, are my avowed enemies and they seek my physical destruction and daily needless suffering on me and mine as homosexuals.
I do not embrace actively accepting unnecessary suffering for my betterment as part of my own spiritual beliefs since life has provided enough random suffering for me to spend several lifetimes learning, LOL. I became a bit radical after burying the 35th or 36th friend who died from AIDS in their 20s or who committed suicide because of religion-based self-hatred and rejection. I do not fear them but rather I name them and I fight them. Namaste.
Surely, the Catholic Church must also be concerned about admitting to its flock the unintended consequences on the make-up and emotional limitations of its priests by requiring that they remain, that they tolerate and venerate, celibacy.
the catholic church is the one and only religion begun by Jesus himself. Jesus loves everyone, even gays and murderers. abortion is the killing of a human life. that is murder. like it or not those are the facts. these religions aren’t claiming to hate gays, they only demand their right to religious freedom and the right to teach the word of god. the small group that has started this movement will be joined by many others.
Nice how, in your deep understanding of Jesus and the Christian concept of unconditional love, that you equate “gays and murderers” and then proceed to engage in the logical falacy that your personal interpretations (or actually those of the watchdogs of Roman Catholicism) are “facts” because you believe them.
Your concept of “religious freedom” claims the right for you to tell me I am damned and yet doesn’t allow me any religious freedom of my own or to say anything at all because I don’t accept nor agree to your “facts” nor do I believe in your god, your bible, or your Jesus.
Your tone tells me all I need to know about your religion. I left the Roman Catholic church many years ago because of people like you. You’ve shown me again that I made the right choice. Continuing to consort with people like you while pretending that you were somehow part of God’s kingdom would’ve been much more of a danger to my soul than anything I’ve done in my bedroom. Peace to you and may you find enlightenment one day.
No one is saying they don’t have the right to teach what they want.
What I and other Christian leaders — and others of different faiths and who espouse no religious beliefs at all — are concerned about is the desire of people like the archbishop of Washington DC asking for permission to disregard laws, regulations, and ordinances that require equitable treatment for all.
If an organization takes public grant money to deliver social services, it is incumbent on that organization to use the money according to the desires of the people who provided the grant. Every state has grant money for adoption services, and in some states, they also require that an agency that wants to apply for these grants must provide adoption services to same-sex couples on the same basis as opposite-sex couples.
No one is saying the Catholic church can’t teach what they want about gays. No one is saying the Catholic church can’t run an adoption agency the way they want to do it. But if the church is going to take public money to do that, then they have to do it in accord with what the public — not the bishops — prescribe.
[Let me also briefly respond to the other things you raise. All Christian churches trace their roots back to Jesus, not just the Catholics. Abortion -- the failure of a pregnancy to end in a live birth -- happens naturally in many cases, and is medically necessary for a wide variety of reasons in other cases. The mere fact that an egg was fertilized is no guarantee that a baby will be born alive, and to make an idol out of an ovum is to make a mockery of the miracle of life. If every abortion is murder, then God is guilty are far more murders than any medical doctor.]
my use of the terms gays and murderers is merely addressing the many posts before mine that used them. your choice to ignore the existence of ancient slates, scrolls, and books that are confirmed by science and theologians to tell the history of this earth we live on is totally up to you. you can also believe the world is flat. religious freedom is being allowed to teach what is in the bible and not be charged and prosecuted as a criminal because of it. (which legislation that would do just that is trying to be put into place now) you are so wrong…religious freedom does not tell you that you are damned and it does allow you to not believe, just as it allows others to believe. there is only one god and one jesus. your choice to leave the catholic church is you right. one more thing, i have no “tone” just stating facts.
As long as you respect my right to disagree to the fullest, and to oppose that particular system being inculcated into MY public policy, fine.
no one that you mentioned wants permission to disregard laws, on the contrary…they want to prevent laws from being passed that would give special rights and privileges to minority groups that in turn would make it illegal to teach what is written in the bible. you can make things as complicated as you want them to be, talking about other peoples money and so on. you are right that all christian religions trace their roots back to Jesus. now i challenge you to do some homework…it is the catholic religion however that was verbally and physically initiated by Jesus himself. the other christian (protestant) religions are either groups that broke away from the catholic church or they are religions started by humans not god or the son of god. your tricky language is truly a good effort to defend abortion. however the fact still remains. killing a living being. god committing murder???? outrageous! when did he do that? i must have missed the 6 o’clock news that day.
My dear thewrongone, you are speaking to an educated grow-up here. I don’t respond to Glen Beck type vagaries about non-existent legislation. And I’ve read Biblical Archeological Review for decades so your childish belief in non-existent tablets, stones, slates, scrolls, books, etc, that do not mention EVER that Jesus founded the RC church has no effect in favor of your argument whatsoever.
As to your tone, that church lady tone is rampant in your comments. I’m not intimidated or impressed by it at all. And for the record, I don’t believe I’m damned any more than I believe you are remotely educated about your own professed religion, legislation, the US Constitution, or the canons of the Roman Catholic church. Once again, I wish you well and may God grace you with enlightenment one day. Namaste.
You are proselytizing, and you should rethink that.
Go to church.
Dear, you are a day late and a dollar short. The Hate Crimes act has already passed and been signed by President Obama. As to ENDA, the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, well it only adds a new class (LGBT) of Americans to a roll of groups against whom it is ALREADY illegal to discriminate, giving them “special rights” and guess who headlines that list? Religious people! Isn’t that precious! And try reading the book of Joshua, just for a start, and discover how God fought with Joshua and destroyed everyone throughout the “promised land”, including the precious unborn! The Magisterium allows lay reading of the bible now, you know. It is full of interesting stories, contradictions, and the full range of human writing skills. I quite recommend it!
And try following up with the US Constitution, which bars congress from passing any kind of law that would remotely interfere with personal religious practice. The only laws we have bar religious groups who take FEDERAL MONEY from discriminating in their use of that money. Simple facts that you will never hear from Bill Donohue or Glen Beck. And they aren’t even inscribed on some scroll in an ancient language. You can read them in plain English anytime you want! Isn’t reality grand?
of course, i and i believe i can safely say all catholic christians respect and support your right to disagree and your choice to oppose anything you want. that is what this is all about…everyone having the basic human right to believe what ever they want and to not be silenced by anyone…including the government.
we should all go to church to learn about god. and Emmett54 has got is right about obama…democrats can vote republican you know… empty promises, did you forget bill clinton already?????
Oh, and by the way, biblical scholars, historians, theologians, and even, surprisingly, RC’s tend to agree that James, the brother of Jesus (which the RC church denies even existed since Mary remained a virgin unto death) was the head of the original Christian Church, based in Jerusalem. Peter, as bishop of Rome, was one of several. The primacy of Rome as the seat of the church was declared many years after the fact as a remainder of the Roman empire’s lust for power and control and was never recognized by the Eastern (Orthodox) church and still isn’t to this very day. There, I’ve completely refuted your claim that Jesus founded the RC Church. That is propaganda from children’s catechisms and a complete falsehood.
it sounds like you have some home homework to do too. you are wrong and your “evidence” fails miserably. just common misconceptions about the catholic church that are so common among protestant religions.
Archbishop Wuerl is asking the DC city council to exempt the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Washington from the city’s non-discrimination ordinances. See the Washington Post article here, or read the Archbishop’s own op-ed in the Post.
He’s asking that the church get an exemption from the law, so that it can discriminate. The law doesn’t say that the church has to ordain gays, or allow gays to take communion, or anything like that. It says that whoever receives these grants must provide medical benefits to all legally married couples. The council is saying that in its secular business arrangements, the church must comply with city ordinances.
There are lots of marriages that the Roman Catholic church does not recognize as religiously legitimate, such as someone who divorces and remarries while their first spouse is alive. But the Catholic church has no problem paying for the medical benefits of the spouse of a divorced and remarried person. Their only problem is with same-sex couples.
As a Christian pastor and as an American, the Catholic church asking for the right to discriminate is unacceptable to me.
more common misconceptions about the catholic religion. you are basing your argument on your beliefs, opinion and your wants, not fact.
I’m basing my argument on the words of the Archbishop of Washington DC, the Reverend Donald Wuerl.
The irony of you proselytizing the Catholic church and simultaneously calling out anyone about facts is mind-bending.
Faith, for all it’s goodness, is by definition, fact-free.
I absolutely hear you. As a New Yorker I know exactly what you are talking about, but hear me when I say this: this horrifying judgment from the extreme right is never ever acceptable. It enrages me. We are discussing this in a political arena and I refuse to put myself in the place these people are speaking from. Politically, I want them stopped. But if my emotions are manipulated by this primitive reactionary conduct I can hardly maintain myself. We must rise above it. We must be pragmatic and deal with what is directly in front of us, like any good Buddhist, that doesnt’ mean we are passive. I just will not be controlled by other people’s agenda. We do what we can.
You are so absolutely on point. Faith is, by definition, fact free.
Namaste & Blessings to everyone.
faith is a part of religion but faith and facts are 2 completely different things. you ignore the facts
Politically, I want them stopped. your words not mine. i couldnt have asked for a better example. this is the problem with you liberals. you want us stopped…no religious freedom for us and special rights for you.
Fully outed.
you should learn the meanings of those big words before you use them, anyway faith is one thing. fact exists about the history of our world and the people that live in it. obviously you either ignore or are not familiar with a lot of these facts.
well of course, i am not a liberal. anyone opposing your view is not a liberal. how smart do you have to be to figure that one out.
Yes, this guy is outed and I’m clear, at this point, that his reason for being here is to justify his own assumptions.
As to the rest of you “liberals,” no one has demonstrated any views that don’t withstand discussion and dispute so no one is so inexcerably bound to a point of view that they can’t be re-evaluated. Thanks to you all for that.
Jesus, and his friends Buddha and Mohammad. walks.
I’ll be upfront … I’m not a liberal, and indeed I recently added my name to the Manhattan Declaration. Peterr, while I can’t speak for the initial signers I did not add my name out of desire for power or “religious domination”.
I signed because I am deeply concerned about the growing loss of 45 million unborn children in America alone, as well as the cultural impact on future generations of the break down of the family … as we are already seeing as “lifelong commitment” is no longer a core part of marriage and what happens when we take gender diversity out of marriage as well and devalue fatherhood?
Peterr, I read your earlier post about the encouraging Lincoln and Ross to “love their neighbors” without insurance. [As a sidenote, I'd point out that the Samaritan did the hard work himself ... just as Christians should, he didn't get elected and raise taxes on the Levite & Priest to provide for the patient out of their money ... he gave sacrificially].
In this particular case, I’m seeking to love my neighbor, and in my day to day life I seek to back up these values with real actions of caring for the “least of these” in my community.
I realize, that we may disagree on the solutions (for that matter we may disagree on what the problems are), but please recognize that you don’t know the heart of the signers, and paint with such a broad stoke of judgmentalism in belittling this movement.
Sincerely,
Your Brother in Christ
Priscilla,
Obviously we disagree on a number of things, and I would not seek to change your opinion … However, I do ask that you read the declaration for yourself, before painting with a broad brush of hate for all who sign.
http://manhattandeclaration.org/decdocs/ManhattanDeclaration.pdf
The point you seem to be missing is that not everyone believes as you do so why should we be forced to have your beliefs mandate how we live our lives?
And from where did the “45 million unborn children” figure come from? Given that the US only has 300 million total population, that figures seems to be just a tad on the high side?
And if you believe there should be some level of sacrifice, isn’t that exactly what the taxes are? Rendering unto Caesar?
Sorry but you do not get to dictate my life based upon your beliefs. And no one is asking you to change your beliefs. But if you and others want to receive government money, then you must follow the government rules and restrictions. If you do not want to follow the government rules, then do not accept the money.
It’s a very simple concept.
It really is that simple.
I would add that standing on principle regarding the “evil” of abortion sounds, on the surface, unasailable. Look a little further, though, and the folks condemning women’s choices and right to choose on this subject are too often the same constituencies withholding funds for birth control and sex education, then judging women dealing with unwanted pregnancies very harshly. And don’t kid yourselves, your condescension is judgement.
And because it seems to require constant reiteration: no one actually “favors” abortion. We favor choice. We favor a woman’s absolute sovereignty over her own body. Terminating a pregnancy is a dreadful decision and citizennc, it is not you place to comment on something so painful and private. Not yours. Not the church.
If you want to walk the walk, support education and programs to reinforce self esteem for young people and policy that ensures them a future that makes discretion a better choice so that they don’t have that particular challenge too soon in life.
Just stop with the “evil” rhetoric. And if you think my position on a person’s absolute sovereignty over how they conduct their private life without comment from others and especially from the church.