[Ed. Note: as of 8:10 p.m. ET, the Senate voted 60-39 for cloture on the Health Care Reform bill. Debate on the bill will proceed after the coming holiday break.]
8:22 p.m. ET — There is the usual post-vote speechifying outside the Senate chamber. Reid and Dodd both make predictable remarks about the importance of health care reform. Both have praised their fellow Senator Max Baucus, who after all this time and effort is pointedly missing from this presser.
We note that Sen. Voinovich of Ohio did not vote. Isn’t that interesting?
Sen. Reid has been asked a couple times now about Sen. Landrieu and the public option, to which he said that Landrieu is working with Sens. Schumer and Carper to find a option acceptable to all Democratic Senators. Hmmm…
We’re hearing that Sen. Baucus (D-MT) was not at the presser because he had to fly home immediately due to a family illness; a source says they hear Sen. Baucus’ mother is quite ill (and on government health care). We’ll watch for more details on this situation.
8:14 p.m. ET — It’s been a long road to get to this point, where we can finally expect a debate on the floor of the Senate over the Health Care Reform bill. But we still have a long haul ahead of us. It’s been pointed out that 60 votes are needed to pull the public option out of the bill; we just saw 39 votes which would gladly yank it. We need to keep up the pressure on a minimum of 21 Senators who might be on the bubble. Stay tuned for the next step in this epic battle for real health care reform.
8:10 p.m. ET — Sen. Dodd gavels chamber back in order, asks if anyone wants to vote or change vote; hearing none, the vote for cloture passes with 60 Ayes and 39 Nos. There is applause in the chamber and Dodd gavels it down as not permitted.
(pssst…we’re cheering here, though!)
8:08 p.m. ET — Lieberman was an Aye…phew. Mikulski and Johnson late as Ayes. Now reading off the No votes; sounds like a Republican roll call.
8:-07 p.m. ET — WE GOT THEM! Landrieu and Lincoln voted Aye!!!
8:06 p.m. ET — Could not hear either Landrieu or Lincoln; did one of you hear them?
8:05 p.m. ET — Aye from Whitehouse, Udall before him; still can’t hear some of the votes. Now going through votes not cast earlier. Burris very loud Aye.
8:04 p.m. ET — Shaheen, Specter, Stabenow are Ayes, Shelby predictably a No.
8:02 p.m. ET — Reed of Rhode Island is an Aye, loud and clear.
8:01 p.m. ET — Could not hear either Levin or Lieberman, although there was a pause after Lieberman. Anybody heard it, please add to comments.
8:00 p.m. ET — I’s, J’s, still can’t hear…impression is party line vote. Oh my, Klobuchar is loud and clear as Aye. Apparently Minnesotans have good lungs.
7:59 p.m. ET — Now in E’s, now Feingold, Feinstein, still can’t hear…ah, Franken is Aye, loud and clear.
7:57 p.m. ET — We are in the C’s now, but the votes are difficult to hear.
7:56 p.m. ET — Reid now asks for termination of roll call and that Senators vote from their desks. We are going to see a little drama if this means they will voice a vote seated.
7:50 p.m. ET — Sen. Harry Reid is droning on about the necessity of this health care bill. If only he were capable of better oratory…fortunately one can see in various video feeds from the Senate floor a modicum of scurrying which conveys a sense of urgency that Reid’s speech does not.
7:45 p.m. ET — C-SPAN noted an AP report which said that Senate Dems had 60 votes to pass cloture, including the votes of Sen. Mary Landrieu and Sen. Blanche Lincoln.
But we know we can’t count the chickens until all these eggs are hatched. Stay tuned, and catch the ramp-up liveblog with Jason Rosenbaum at this link.



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Thanks Rayne
YUP!!
Lieberman, I couldn’t hear
Lieberman aye.
probably waiting for his close-up.
is Byrd in the house?
I can’t hear goddammit! I wish they’d mic the senators a little better.
*spew*
Send there have been no cheers, I assume that means everyone has voted as expected so far.
was that 60?
Was that 59?
Per clerk’s read of the vote, HolyJoe is a YES
I think that’s 60.
Lieberman aye.
Holy f’in hell. Wonder what that cost.
I think those last two pushed it over the top. That announcer lady messed up my count!
Good Work, Jane Hamsher!!!
Summary of ayes was 58 I think, then 2 more ayes followed. summary of noes: 38.
As long as it cost more than Landreau and Lincoln combined, Joe is happy.
Fox News is calling it for the Yays
We’ll find out. I’m sure it wasn’t cheap.
Here it comes. 60/39
WooHoo … and on we go!
OK so who didn’t vote
“The motion is agreed to!”
– Chris Dodd, November 21, 2009
60 ayes, 39 nayes; who was missing?
did Snowe vote?
HoJo doesn’t have what it takes to go it alone. He also was probably told that there would be consequences over this vote.
so we won the right to have a debate on the bill.
all those no votes are from senators who think the american people should shut the fork up.
Whew.
I have to hand it to Harry Reid on this one…
And Rockefeller, Wyden, Harkin, Dodd, Cantwell, Stabenow, Klobuchar…
Elections matter.
Snowe voted no.
I’d like to ‘second’ this comment ;-))
Third!
well that was anticlimactic.
Of course. She was always going to.
and obama did whatever he could to get her vote
when is this man gonna learn, we are not going to get a bipartisant bill
but he knows that, he uses it for cover
I was waiting for Short Ride to be a No Show.
Was that Byrd I saw wheeled in toward the end of the vote?
yes, and he’s looking pretty frail.
Jane Hamsher, you’re the best! Thank you.
4th!
Shuster says they need 60 votes to strip out the PO
I have to hand it to Harry Reid on this one…
way too soon for that, imo.
There are a myriad of ways in which he can, and most likely will, still cave in.
Why was this thing even up for a vote? Isn’t cloture normally a motion to *cut off* debate?
So why did Harry have his a** hanging out in the wind?
Which Republican didn’t vote?
per Twitter, Voinovich of Ohio did not vote. I wonder if that means he’s gettable, since he’s retiring. Might make Holy Joe irrelevant.
I expect the R’s to try and amend it to death.
And Jayt@40:
I meant in terms of getting THIS vote to 60.
Consider that they lost Ted Kennedy in August.
That Franken was not seated until… June?
That Baucus has been flying across the nation b/c evidently his mother is extremely ill…
In other words, finally having almost-60 in June, then losing Kennedy… then other factors (including tea-baggers), then that last-minute insult from the healthCo industry just before final action from the Finance Committee…
Basically, Reid was at max of 59 until a short time ago.
when is his seat up for grabs?
he’s gonna become more and more democrat as his primaries get closer and closer
on this you can bet whatever is left on your house
Harry Reid, on CSPAN, says we can see the finish line. And that not all 100 Senators agree on how to move ahead, but all agree we must move ahead.
Not sure about that, Harry.
So, at this point we have a cloture on Senate to proceed on debate of legislation that Harry Reid finalized?
What’s the bill number?
What’s the bill actually contain?
When does FDL start to review the bill pdf, and report on what they have agreed to debate?
And then, there’s the end to debate,
Can amendments still work their way into a final bill?
Who in the closed door smoky rooms where brandy laced creamed lobster sauce is poured over Main Lobster, along with their Louis XIII big ass crystal snifters, will control a final Senate bill?
And when do we get to hear a final Senate bill?
And when does it go to Committee, when House and Senate debate the final resolution and CAST the final reso that Obama is presented with, to sign?
Just curious, ya know.
*G*
It is a strange, ungainly bill, and will most likely get even more that way.
Aye!!!
He has joined us on a number of important votes. That’s really good news in my book.
Shuster says they need 60 votes to strip out the PO
Was the Stupak Amendment also included in the Senate bill, meaning that it would also take 60 to get rid of that pos? (I’m thinking that that would not be possible at this stage, but):
Parliamentary issues make my tiny little head hurt.
These arcane Senate rules drive me nuts. I already feel as if all my teeth had been extracted without Novacaine. They have already said everything they have to say today so why not just vote up or down and be done with it.
thanks teddy
Where’s Baucus? he’s not there at the presser.
Byrd is in Class 1, was re-elected in 2006, up in 2012.
He is the longest serving Senator (1959) and, scarily, is third in line to the Presidency as the President pro tempore of the Senate. Should something happen to Obama, Biden, and Pelosi, Byrd would be Commander-in-Chief. During what presumably would be a very very scary time at the very least.
Here’s the pdf of the bill
So, we now proceed to debate of the existing Senate legislation at hand, which is a piece of shit?
What do ya think we’ll get after they are done debating?
You know much more than I . . . honestly askin what do ya think from here?
next year, and I agree.
Teddy is correct 2012. (edit)
My understanding is that there is no Stupak language in Harry Reid’s bill, although there is abstinence (syphilis-friendly) education funding to the tune of fifty million dollars.
Right, the Senate will now debate the bill after Thanksgiving. It’ll be subject to amendments.
The bill is here for folks to read:
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3590/text?version=ocas
Not in a hurry are you *g*
Whats in the Snifters??
curious minds want to know
Stupak was not in Senate bill, so 60 to add it.
He flew back from a family emergency for today’s vote and, per Harkin, has returned to Montana to be with his Mother.
Alternative to what, I missed that
Harry Reid just publically endorsed Schumer’s efforts to compromise on the public option to get Landrieu et al on board.
quick Kelly..
Now that is an interesting surmise…
I’m still thinking that Harry’s hair looks darker.
Re-election time draws near.
Oh oh thanks
Amendments are next, then debate on the final bill, then a vote on the bill. If it passes it goes to conference with the House bill. The Rethugs can draw this out with amendment after amendment.
I have a stoopid amount of bookmarks on this issue; Firefox tells me it’s 342.
Sometimes it’s easier to google instead of looking in me damn bookmarks!
thank you.
Not yet. Rethugs have the opportunity to amend the bill after the Thanxgiver break.
Very good, so far.
Louis XII is a very good, very expensive brandy.
Aw, I know what you mean.
And I’ve had to operate by Roberts Rules more than once.
IMVHO, Enzi, Ensign, and some of the other R’s don’t have enough brain cells to master such convoluted, arcane, rules.
Which gives Reid the upper hand going in; anyone with a mastery of the rules always has an advantage. But still, getting some of those BlueDogs into the fold had to require infinite patience. Corralling prima donnas is no easy task.
If you really master the rules, you have an advantage.
I’ve won a vote or two that way myself, on a much smaller, less important level. It’s kind of fun, actually.
Now yer killin me.. . .
I’m not up to reading that shit, much less interpreting it.
And youse KNOW it?
YOU read it?
Hush up, make me a hot toddy, and let me pick and sang to annoy yas.
Blues in Em . . . . 1,4,5 changes.
Killin me, just killin me.
Glad it’s early, I might bail sooner.
Been a long day following it all.
*G*
West Coasters, turn on your NBC nightly news for a quote at the top of the broadcast from Jane Hamsher, I am told….
pass it around!
Senate bill lacks the COBRA extension; Sec 113 of House measure.
COBRA extension would allow those unemployed on COBRA or state COBRA extensions to continue with their plans until the exchanges are established.
Without that millions of unemployed will lose their health care because anyone with a significant pre-existing condition — and that includes being on almost any maintenance drug for asthma, diabetes, high blood pressure, high cholesterol — cant buy insurance at any price.
Please spread the word to lobby for this in the conference and Senate amendments.
Maybe not, it sounds like they’ve made a new WCoast version of the newscast.
Hold out yer glass. The brandy tastes just as good out of a jelly jar as a crystal snifter.
POSTSCRIPT: So Reid just confirmed that Chuck Schumer is working with Mary Landrieu and Tom Carper to reach some kind of compromise on the public option that can satisfy everyone in the caucus. The dealmaking has begun. Expect the word “trigger” to come back into the political lexicon any day now.
Well, tonight’s been one small step for health care reform.
Let’s just hope we can get that giant goddamned leap done without falling into the abyss!
Are ya nuckin phutz?
COGNAC, LOUIS XIII is in the snifters!!!
All my friends are daft . . .
*G*
Blanche Lincoln reminds me of Jane Hathaway, Mr Drysdale’s uptight secretary on the Beverly Hillbillies.
No!!!!
very late to the party tonite.
Today I continued spreading in a very small, person to person way, my thot that all Ohioans with a stake in this should contact retiring Sen. Voinovich and prevail upon him to follow whatever Sen. Sherrod Brown does until he leaves office.
Yes. I know it’s a stoopid idea, or maybe not. So what. Everyone in the line at the drugstore today thot it sounded good. And Senator V. keeps showing more and more stutter steps of late as he tries to toe the pure R line. Who dares to say he can’t possibly do something upstanding and decent at this late hour?
Thanks for all the fine work Jane and Pups.
try reading the Patriot Act sometime.
Much shorter obviously, but without a full law library, and a veritable army of clerks running back and forth to check each seemingly tiny change in language – cross-check it with every other existing law which it might luckily enough to occur to someone that it could affect – no fucking chance. I tried to read the fucking thing, but gave up after about 15 pages.
And I forget which was which – one house of Congress got one day to look at it – the other body got two days.
Total set-up – but it had a real catchy name…..
*clink*
Heh.
She always makes me want to say “Why the long face sister?”
Thanks hoss, ‘preciate that.
As Mz. Jane has said, it’s not over, and the nuances and such are not over, either.
there’s Jane and our ad.
All my friends are daft . . .
all my friends drink draft.
I gotta start hanging around with a better class of people, (in meat-space).
She was one of the nicest people I’ve ever met. And was she liberal !
There’s not enough greesin’ formula in the world to save ole harry’s image.
I think XII is better than XIII. Matter of taste.
There’s our Jane: “There’s nothing that says just because you’re in a conservative district you need to sell your political soul to Blue Cross.”
(rough gist)
woo-hoo, network!
$120 a shot, or more, anywhere it’s poured..
Course, that was long ago.
*G*
You can actually do a pretty good job of reading the strikes and so forth by copying and pasting the section of US Code you’re interested in at the Cornell Law site here.
At least that’s what I do.
Keep it up, Adie. Maybe it will work. I sure would love to see HolyJoe made irrelevant; I think Blanche and Landrieu will come along eventually.
Wouldn’t it be wonderful if the last holdouts were single-payer advocates, though?
Yeah, shure . . . $120 a pop . . . no charge for the lemon twist ..
*G*
Thanks, Teddy, I’m on ‘puter . . . .TV is not on.
Got a summary?
second trip of the day to the grocery coming up. First time was for cleaning supplies – it’s time for food. bbl.
Excellent news. My priority is to get rid of the fraud like dropping people for getting sick, and denying coverage because of preexisting conditions. I have mixed feelings about the public option. But one thing is for sure… we HAVE to put the insurance companies in their place. This is just ridiculous that they treat this industry as a “business” instead of as a moral obligation to society.
What really angers me is the fact that we’re still fighting two wars which I believe we shouldn’t be, which are both sucking up so many of our dollars! If these two wars didn’t exist, the $8XX billion price tag would already be paid for… and we wouldn’t be in debt. I just can’t believe that the country that the Founders gave us has morphed from a free republic of sovereign States, into a monolithic goose-stepping, blood sucking, war-mongering Empire which plunders its own people (and other countries’ peoples too) :(.
Oh, boy.
I don’t see Wyden or Rockefeller being very receptive to that idea, for reasons they have articulated quite well.
Uff….
Per CTBob, I hope the Dems don’t fall into the abyss.
Jane, you are my FEARLESS Leader…
Congratulations to all, I’m thinking “Triple Chocolate Meltdown” (Applebees) is in order while I work on this stew (that I poured a big bottle of burgundy wine into) that has simmering pretty much all day —-
Best Wishes—-
Excellent placement. Five minutes into the national network news’ lead story on a huge issue reported by the WH scribe.
When I lived in LA the brother of a good friend was a distributor. It was not uncommon to find a $400 bottle of wine on Tom’s counter. Tom and I also had a fondness for VSOP so his brother would bring by some of the top top shelf stuff. Louis XII and XIII go for about $1200 a bottle today.
You gots brave, downright reckless thots perkin’ for a fella with more/less 25-sordid felines a-boppin’ ’round alldedamthyme. *tip of the glass with shpirited admiration*
LOL. Nowadays I’m lucky to be able to afford a $40 jug of single malt. The wines from the Baltic countries are quite good and inexpensive. I do like a good cognac, though.
I couldn’t handle 25. Take me all damn day just to clean litter boxes and feed ‘em. In one end and out the other.
David Dayen is upstairs!
With Conservative Resistance To Public Option, What Was The Point Of The Opt Out?
so we won the fight to have a discussion when we could have just had a public policy if reid wanted one
not real happy, this just drags it on, which is pretty much what the republicans wanted, they do not want us going the other route
Course, ya COULD just put a jug under the Old Oak Tree.
With a $5 dollar bill.
Sigh.
Heh, I don’t have a better class, other n the Pups in here.
*G*
Dude, I was one I short of the Good Louis.
*G*
Yep to Da Louie!
$100 a shot or more!
Teh XIII!
Or more!
Mama, come get me, I’m thruuuuuuuuu. Been on this thing pretty much since 9 this mornin’. Gonna go listen to some HuDost and do the lap lump parade.
Be good to yourselves, and all other living things.
Namaste
jayt, this was a cloture vote to “cut off debate.” The debate being cut off, however, wasn’t on the bill itself in advance of final passage (as is normally the case), but rather, merely on the “motion to proceed” to the bill (which was not yet on the Senate floor). Without ending the debate on the motion to proceed, the Senate couldn’t proceed to the debate on the bill, never mind vote on final passage. [This process applies to every piece of legislation brought to the floor, absent unanimous consent.] Which would have meant spending the next few weeks taking repeated cloture votes to try to get the bill on the floor, while holding other Senate business hostage, or abandoning the effort to get the bill on the floor.
So far, Harry Reid’s moves with regard to the handling of this bill look smooth and smart. [Item: Reid got a Unanimous Consent Agreement Thursday that allowed only the bill's title to be read upon a successful cloture vote. Thus, the evaporation of Senator Coburn's threat to torture the Senate Clerks into reading the whole bill aloud.]
Next Up: Amendments, which may also (but won’t necessarily) be filibustered, and thus require cloture votes to proceed to a vote on the merits. Two amendments are already in line for call-up and debate, on Monday, November 30th: one from Harry Reid, one from Mitch McConnell [their contents not yet known]. This process can be handled in different ways, some democratic, some undemocratic, and Reid will have to play this smart too. [An undemocratic, Party power-play 'nuclear option' always in reserve is the ability to move to "table" an offered amendment, which requires only a majority vote to kill it, without anyone taking a vote on the actual merits.]
And, of course, as we all know, a final filibuster to prevent a vote on final passage is also likely and will thus require another cloture vote to bring debate (on the bill itself) to a close. However, the optics, if meaningful, democratic and deliberative debate and amendment takes place for 3-4 weeks on this legislation [that's the "good" way to handle amendments] will not be good for anyone [like Landrieu] who threatens to frustrate all that work in the end by preventing even a vote on final passage, or who [like McConnell] tries to pretend that every Senator wasn’t given a fair chance to change the bill, or to claim that the Senate wasn’t allowed to democratically work its will on this legislation on the floor.
Summary: So far, so good.