Well, I had a bit of a revelation today, and I am telling you, that all ends right here. I am holding out. No more Mr. Easy Post. I have some things I, um, need in advance.
But first, perhaps you wonder, why the change? Well, I am taking my queue from a few patriotic Americans that have pledged their lives to serving their home states and, no doubt, the all the people of America.
First example. . . Blanche Lincoln.
The election of Barack Obama filled many with hope, and many with a whole lot of questions, but one thing that seemed fairly hopeful and certain, was the death of the stupid, offensive, and wholly counterproductive policy of using federal funds to promote abstinence-only sexual education. The programs actually increased rates of teen pregnancy, and a president that lived in the reality-based community seemed to understand that. So, when Bush-era funding expired over the summer, and its renewal was not included in the first Obama budget, it seemed like sanity had scored a little victory over moral imperialism and moralistic opportunism.
Enter health care reform—notably, the Senate merged bill that is searching for 60 votes. Hey, wow, what’s that you say? $50 million—Fifty. Million. Dollars—for abstinence-only programs are in the bill? Whatever for?
What to make of abstinence-only’s restoration? I don’t think it’s off base to read this as a slight concession to the Senate’s social conservatives: backing off the strong abortion language but offering up a significant pool of money for abstinence-only programs. Orrin Hatch, after all, was the man behind both the abstinence-only funding and the push for the Stupak provision—and he won at least one of those battles. Admittedly, a $50 million grant is unlikely to make Hatch an ardent supporter of Reid’s bill. But it might do something for an on-the-fence Democrat like Blanche Lincoln (who, by the way, voted yes on abstinence-only funds in that previous Senate Finance Committee vote).
Oh, Blanche—you know how to roll a log, don’t you?
Example two. . . Ben Nelson.
TPM is reporting that Majority Leader Harry Reid is going to exclude a provision that would remove the anti-trust exemption for health insurers from the Senate health care reform bill. The move is apparently being made to grease the gears for Sen. Ben Nelson, one of three Democratic hold-outs, to vote for procedural motions in the run-up to a final vote. The provision was a huge fear of health insurers, particularly of America’s Health Insurance Plans (AHIP) and Blue Cross Blue Shield. Both of those organizations are represented by former staffers to Sen. Nelson and fellow hold-out Sen. Blanche Lincoln.
Way to go, Ben—that is how it is played!
And, finally, example three. . . Mary Landrieu.
Sen. Mary Landrieu’s state of Louisiana is still ailing years after Hurricane Katrina devastated its largest city. So Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid could be killing two birds with one stone by including in his health care bill $100 million in federal Medicaid aid for any states (aka, Louisiana) that have suffered a natural disaster in the last seven years. That’s much needed help for the poor in Louisiana, and also a sweetener for Landrieu, whose support for health care reform has never been terribly certain.
Mary Landrieu—you are a baller!
Now, Senator Nelson has given his word that he will vote for tomorrow’s motion to proceed to debate on the health care bill—it’s first “test”—but Senators Lincoln and Landrieu are still keeping mum (don’t you dare call it dithering!), proving that just because you have had your demands met, doesn’t mean you can’t ask for more.
Just imagine what might have happened if, say, I had realized this brilliant tactic earlier. . . or if a block of liberal Senators had. . . . You might be staring at a blank page with a comment box beneath it (don’t go getting any ideas)—and you might have a truly robust public option paid for with progressive taxes and open to anyone who wanted it just as soon as the ink dried on the president’s signature.
OK, so, here’s what I want. Read, comment, tell your friends. . . yes, I want all that. . . and your everlasting adoration, too. . . blah blah blah. . . but here is what I really want: I want my Democrats (that’s my Democrats—one’s that represent me, and not AHIP) to play hardball like the ConservaDems appear to. Then I want my president’s political team to realize that backing up my wing of the party is the winning proposition, not this regional, factional, piecemeal, chasing the money instead of the votes strategy that they seem to endorse along with Majority Leader Reid. And, then, to prove I am not blowing sunshine, I want all of you, dear readers, to pledge that the next time Jane or any of the FDL Action crew asks you to make a phone call or write a letter, you will do that—because we may not have the kind of money the masters of Lincoln, Nelson, and Landrieu have, but if we take our wit and intellect off the blog and on to the streets, we have something pretty wonderful.
Don’t believe me? Well, why are we even still talking about the public option at all?
And why did I just write 1,000 words without getting your promise in advance?
Let’s make a deal!
Tags: Barack Obama, Ben Nelson, Blanche Lincoln, Health care, Mary Landrieu, US Senate
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- It Sounds Like Reid Is Planning To Sell Out The Public Option
- CBO Scores Senate Bill, Would Reduce Deficit $127 Billion in 10 Years



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I am sure there are some earmarks Harry could use as leverage…
But ‘teh Comity’ would be shattered, and Reid could no longer cuddle up in McConnell’s loving arms. Perish the thought!
Thank you, Gregg.
Maybe Landrieu can return some of her Katrina bonus that, I’ve heard, was quite generous.
I’m in. I got video cam, I got a wee bit o’donation cash, and I got game.
Fortunately, I got DeGette in the House; unfortunately I got the untested Bennett in the Senate. That’s where I’ll go with the cam.
Deal, Gregg. Letters, calls, those I can do (and do, as often as possible).
I know I share with you thedeep depressive feeling I got reading about abstinence restoration and, sigh, throwing out the anti-antitrust exemption.
Jeebus.
OT – Oh No! Another TV heavyweight retires! Lou Dobbs, Oprah Winfrey, and now Bill Moyers!
Bill deserves whatever he wants or needs, but this is terrible news.
I don’t understand Rachel’s assertion that if Lincoln helps kill the PO that her constituents favor, a primary challenge will excite the base and help get her reelected. What am I missing?
Orrin Hatch is a wet fart.
Perhaps funding for middleschool pray the gay away would get the Coburn vote.
Leaving in the anti-trust exemption? Great. I mean. does anybody else hear think this bill blows and it’s gonna get worser during conference?
A wonderful post Mr. Levine. Remember that reporter Irving R. Levine? Just thought of him. Anyway, you’re 100% right that if they wanna win they gotta do it with us and if they don’t have us they lose. So I’ll promise.
It is an uncharacteristically flawed (deeply) political analysis on the behalf of Ms. Maddow. Just a brain fart.
Start at the video clip at about 1:09
“it’s gonna get national liberals excited in supporting her (Lincoln)”
What that means is there’s pressure from the LEFT rather than the RIGHT, and she has to do what we’ve been pushing for.
She’s still a piece of shit DINO. There’s no primary talk here. There’s just making Blanche DO the right thing. That’s what Rachel is saying IMO.
They still can why they don’t I don’t know this issue is more popular than the Democrats it has to pass. We can afford to kill this bill saying its not enough we compromised plenty to get here already voters know that.
My original hope was we steal France’s healthcare system wholesale and copy it and make drugs in America the same price drugs in Canada and Mexico are.
Its sad when immigrants go back across the border to get their medicine.
I read somewhere that she only eats once a day, after the show. Maybe she just needed a snack.
That’s not how I heard it. I thought she said by opposing the public option she’s getting the base excited. I dunno. I’ll have to go back and watch it but i was switching back and forth between Rachel and the basketball game.
I promise too.
Edit–meant to reply to BFL @ 11
Next up… EFCWA. And Blanche Lincoln pisses off the base yet again. Lefties will never get excited about her. Fuck her.
Correct. She thought it through, but did not articulate it.
Ack! No! No! No!
Watch Nate Sliver nod, and then Spitzer go “Yup, don’t abandon your base, dumbasses.”
They’re talking about narrowing the debate to where the Dems can’t abandon, just as the rethugs can’t abandon their teabags.
That’s the way I see it anyways.
Heck lets tell the Texas Senators this healthcare bill provides extra funds for border patrol to search every car crossing the border for Immigrants and illegal drugs including medicine Big Pharma would throw tons of cash our way. John McCain another border Red State GOPer would be hurt too.
I want to see the GOP argue no we really don’t want more border guards. Right now we pay more and these Red State creeps skate because they can go over the border!
Not what I’m hearing. Perhaps Rachel meant that the pressure will pull Lincoln to the left but it is not at ALL what she said and personally, I don’t believe that is what she meant. I get the distinct impression she is saying the threat from groups like FDL of a primary challenge makes Lincoln more electable, period.
It’s in the above clip. Start around 1:09.
Next Tuesday – 7:30 p.m.- Barnes & Noble, East Colonial Drive, The City Beautiful. I might go.
Maybe. It was remarkably inarticulate if that is the case.
Fair enough. I can see why someone can get that impression.
The whole thing to me though is very Overton, and my POV is that Rachel is saying, yup, do it lefties, pull Lincoln left on the vote.
I bet Hamsher is on the phone. heh.
If I had Maddow in my rolodex, I would too.
I think she’s saying what excites us is when jane goes on her show and says Blanche Lincoln will get primaried so fast it’ll make her head spin. And we get active like that, Lincoln is more likely to do the right thing and hence more electable. I like when she mentions FDL and Spitzer is saying “What the fuck is a fire dog lake?”
Yeah, because Lincoln move leftward somewhat or at lwast will do some things right. For now.
Yeah, but look at what follows:
“Republicans look at that and they say “Look at that, they’re screwing Blanch Lincoln. She’ll never get elected in Arkansas again.”
I don’t think Lincoln or any pol who opposes a PO can be swayed unless we’re willing to pay them a higher bribe than the ones the receive from their corporate masters. That ain’t gonna happen. They’ll screw their constituents (which is their usual M.O.) and attempt to spin their way out of it at election time.
anyway, Rachel’s cool, so I’m not losin’ any sleep. It was good for FDL to get a mention anyways.
Progressives should be running from this healthcare bill like the plague. It is becoming more and more like the portrait of Dorian Gray, the one up in the attic.
It won’t contain prices or deliver universal affordable healthcare. Its reasons for being. The list of its negatives mandates, giveaways, delays, tiny PO, abortion restrictions, no anti-trust provisions, now abstinence only, these are the sores and ulcers of the true portrait. We truly betray our principles and trash our credibility in supporting this garbage.
Meaning they think she’ll be replaced by a Republican candidate. The whole thing is gibberish to my ear.
Yes, almost schizophrenic. Blogs like FDL demand Blanche Lincoln behave like a democrat and threaten Blanche with a primary challenge, which excites the national democratic base to support Blanche and closes with a comment about the democratic base not turning out for a “centrist.” Totally incoherent and normally I would merely give Rachel a pass, but FDL does yeomens work for progressive issues and it is annoying for Rachel to throw stones at this house.
that’s what I asked in my #10. I’m not alone in thinking that it really sucks it dry, I guess. I just want this whole thing put out of its fucking misery. just get Obama a bill – any bill -for god’s sake and let him sign it and move on to something … anything … else.
Ok, right. I get it….. You stand strong against the rightwing and the forced abortion wing of the wingnuttiest of wingutty by funding the very people that are trying to undercut what you just stood strong for!!
Wow. That’s just goddamn stupid.
Oh, and it’s good news for John McCain.
Well, yeah.
We’re not going to get a bill we like. At all, and this time around.
Not Rahm, not anybody else but Obama decreed so, when he gave the “The Bill You Like Least” speech. That’s what we’re going to get. The suckiest bill.
The point is pushing these fuckers around so they get on record, and then we push the progressive machine again. Rinse, lather, repeat.
We’re talking years of action, not weeks or months. This is HEALTHCARE not Gay Rights, but I know from the latter, we ain’t getting what we want today.
Hah – we’re all gay now.
Get used to hunkering down and fighting the long fight. They haven’t even started fiscal reform.
Should but won’t. When I read the comments at places like TPM and KOS there is still a lot of blind support for Obama and belief that whatever version of HCR passes will be a fulfillment of his campaign promise. Apparently you CAN fool some of the people all of the time.
Right, infighting Democrats are the Republicans bread and butter, and to us it’s what we have to do. Rachel also makes the point that there are problems with taking down a prized (by who is of no concern here) piece of legislation. Like having zero institutional support in the caucus.
Note: We are talking about the same caucus that keeps Lieberman alive, so maybe you are right in the abstract.
Yeah. I agree 100%. Rachel deserves a pass. I think we could be here talking about this all night and wouldn’t come any closer to understanding what she meant. she has e-mail, right? somebody should drop her a line.
But I’m tired.
Remember when the House was gonna pass a bill before the summer recess?
So am I. Are you fekking kidding me?
Be tired, cause frankly you’d be insane if you WEREN’T tired.
Just don’t quit. Just don’t quit. Just don’t quit.
I’m just like…. Health care reform? make it stop!!! make it go away!!!
Well, now I know. :)
On the infrequent occasions I’ve been asked if I am gay (I think the standard assumption is that I am undesirable to people of all persuasions) I responded by saying, “Gay? I WISH!” It was like hitting their reset button, you could see their brains rebooting before your eyes.
Kelly, invoking the straight mans burden again.
You can go back to Teddy Roosevelt for how long universal healthcare has been out there. It has already been years, decades even.
The thing that I think most people still don’t get is just how bad the economy is going to be in 2011. It will make current conditions look like the good old days. It will make this atrocious bill irrelevant but only at an extremely high price.
Nice turn of phrase. “g”
Nobody’s perfect hunny. :) [I just love you bunches, in that bloggy way you know]
Here’s the thing from my POV: The wealth meter has tipped so far, that you’re all gay now.
You are all second class citizens. You all have less rights than you had before, because you have less money than you had before. You all are more taken advantage of than you ever have been before. You are less equal than you have ever been before. Witness your Senate overlords, as they decide what rights and obligations you have, or lack of rights.
With the “opt out” they’re putting your health care to vote, just like my marriage rights.
Welcome to my world.
Snuggy, isn’t it?
You mean, it’s really not a choice?
I predict by late 2010/e time.arly 2011 they’ll be a “Bonus Army” again, but not like the last
Okay, sent Rachel a mild missive:
Hello Ms. Maddow,
No, you don’t have a choice.
You may not be gay, but you’re screwed.
A favorite saying of mine. Trust is like virginity, if you lose it you’re screwed.
I understood what you meant and agree.
We’ve reached a point where wealth usually ensures acceptance if you are a person of color. Unfortunately, even if you are wealthy and gay you can still be treated like a second class citizen. As bad or worse if you are an atheist and god help you if you are a gay atheist.
So many self-proclaimed patriots who think the promise of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness only applies to people exactly like them.
That’s the perfect email.
I will bet she has one very clogged inbox, and while I think I know where she was going (not where it sounded like she was going), I acknowledge the lack of clarity.
Well done.
Yes. (What, you thought these !@#$%^&*() would improve it?)
She is usually immaculately coherent. I think she just missed her mark, but she threw an elbow.
It was very weedy. Great having Silver and Spitzer on.
I always say, “Not so far but things could change.”
Oh jeebus, I hope she doesn’t read that on the teevee machine.
Anyone out there who can point me to documented stories of bush ignoring the warnings of impending 9/11 attacks, like the August 6, 2001 PDB memo = and the anecdote of some young staffer trying to warn bush in a meeting about al Queda and bush replying back – æok, now you’ve covered your ass..”
I have to answer a glenn beck fan on facebook about why I blame bush for the attacks on our soil … thank you in advance
Maybe she was up past her bedtime last night standing in line for “New Moon.”
Okay, I like to assume it is self-evident but just in case…
/s
Start here.
Yeah, I’m suspicious of absolutes. I’m inclined to think at 48 I would know but maybe I haven’t met Mr. Right.
The WaPoo review of Ron Suskind’s “One Percent Doctrine.”
The selected quote is about halfway down the page.
I see three phases to our descent into full depression. The first is the stock market bubble. It could go anytime but I’m thinking that companies will try to keep things pumped up until the end of the year to bank their bonuses on. But I don’t expect the holiday sales numbers to be good so the stock market should slide next year early on. (This part I am less sure about because the market is based on psychology not reality. It will stay up as long as the various fools are still willing to trade paper back and forth among themselves. However when the rush for the exits starts, it will get nasty.)
The second phase is most of next year. The fundamentals like debt, employment, foreclosure rates, profits, investment, etc. continue to go south. But 2010 is an election year and I think incumbents will be doing their own pumping up until the election. After the election, we enter phase three and there all bets are off. If Summers and Geithner leave or are booted out, it will be at this point. I don’t think any of our elites of the left or right have a clue with how to deal with the economy. They certainly have shown none so far. So depression is the likeliest outcome. The best case scenario is Japanification but I only see this if the fundamentals stabilize and to date they really haven’t.
Parenthetically, this is what pisses me off about economists like Roubini and Krugman because they see the deteriorating fundamentals and then talk about how this will slow recovery, instead of extrapolating to where this deterioration is dragging us.
Ummmm, Gregg: [holds out hand] !
Well, the best one is on the face of it; happened on his and Condi’s watch.
We’re not safe because Bush didn’t protect on 9/11. If you need the “My Pet Goat” ammo, it’s here
It was! What do you think about Spitzer’s future? Will he re-emerge (is this a word?) on the political scene? New Yorker article earlier this year was pretty clear that he isn’t happy about working in the fam biz.
Hey Chris!
With insight like this – he was way, way out in front of the housing crisis – we need him. I don’t know how close people in the Dem party will let him get to them, though.
Bad link, bro.
Dang – worked for me. Howzabout this “My Pet Goat”….
The HC problem will not be solved by this legislation, especially since we are looking at a Japan like lost decade with upwards of 12% unemployment through 2020. The PO is to small to compete, and a U-6 unemployment of 18-20% will leave tens of millions unable to afford the rising premiums.
If this thing is killed, however, then Obama has a big zero in his win column, and the only way to assuage the public and pull out some victory in the midterms would be to steamroll, in a bipartisan manner, the Financial industry with major structural changes and significant regulation (dem. majority). The economy/jobs issue is presently more significant that even healthcare. But, if he gets a W with bullshit HC reform, he’ll let the financial reform slide, and shortchange the jobs problem, which would be disastrous for the Nation as well as the Dems.
Spitzer’s appeal (if any) is that he can now speak with the candor of an outsider. He is a testament to the tendency of power to corrupt. Perhaps better for everyone (including him) if he stays out of politics.
Hey newt!
I’ll read this, but the way he hound-dogged Wall Street before his fall made me realize that many wanted to see him fail. I think he is brilliant, but will the Dems let him back. Clearly he has been working his ass off, and paying penance. I think that he can be a real asset to the party (but what do I know? I’m from Ohio, where the only good thing is Sherrod Brown!).
I want Spitzer in politics more than most any other pol.
If he could (would) steamroll the financial sector, I will eat my hat.
He belongs to the weakness that Daschle and Gephardt started, and Reid and Pelosi perpetuated.
But I wish him well.
10-4; hookers and blow for all of them, so they all get outside!
Okay that made me laugh out loud.
If he loses HC where is he going to get that vaunted W? Without a W, he’s a has been and so is the dem. majority.
Spitzer is wicked-smart and tough. But Republicans rise from their ashes, and Democrats, not so much. I would like to see him get his licks in, though.
Which is why we absolutely had to keep the House Progressives… who were picked off for little or nothing.
Amen, brother Kelly.
Agreed!
Bill Clinton being the anomaly, of course.
You’re thinking like any president or politician:
Must. Have. Second. Term.
That drives this sort of behavior. I want him do do the right thing; he wants to be re-elected. What we’re going to get is the Prez re-elected, and the right thing won’t have happened.
That’s why I keep saying, this healthcare fight is a long slog.
Yeah I’m pretty sure that’s what she’s saying.
Particularly with regard to health care, Rachel’s very aware that people in the country (and in Arkansas) want the option of a public option, so by pressuring her from the left, you make her more “electable” if she responds.
It might have had another meaning if she was talking another issue, but we’re not pushing her on an issue that will make her out of step with her constituents. Just the opposite — that’s her point I think.
I will ONLY mention Spitzer, where the vitriol seems to be less? Aw shucks, I loved seeing Rachel’s show tonight.
I’m taking account of Rahm’s thinking, and regard HCR as it stands as worth killing.
Yep. Even Cox was good on that panel, and she knew when to hang back and let the wonks talk.
Bill didn’t so much rise again as never let go. I’m not wild about the guy but he possessed a political toughness I’d like to see in more Dems. Look how happy we were when he pushed back during the Chris Wallace interview a couple years(?) back. It was because we are so unaccustomed to seeing Dems do that.
True.
On the day he was impeached, I was very proud to have voted for him.
Right. That’s why Rahm wants to kill the PO.
All the kewl centrist kids (lobbyists)are totally on board with a gutless PO and mandates.
Cabbage!
And I am loving the Jimmy Fallon Show, again!
Hey, I watched him the other night when they did the Palin bit. Funny stuff!
I just don’t see Rachel doing a 180 on healthcare. Inarticulate snark? THat meets the Occam Razor test for me.
Nate Silver was nodding. I think they all had that vibe going. If I’m wrong, well, then I’m wrong.
And I love Fallon’s thank you notes… please, you are killing me!
Rahm wants to kill the PO with triggers but keep a win at any cost. I, on the other hand, want to see the W at any cost denied.
Are we talking past each other?
thank you kindly, sir.
He delivered a rousing speech here (University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign) the next day. Then Air Force One got stuck in the mud while maneuvering on the short runways at the local airport, so it was kind of an undignified exit. I was still proud of his defiant attitude toward his Republican critics, though.
Oh newt, we split our sides with that one!
If Jane agrees with you that’s good enough for me.
Believe I’ll head out. Splendid evening to all.
Probably.
If you could see my un-smiley face, well…
Nighty night! [smooch!] Pat Bob on the head on your way to slumber…
He fucked someone other than his wife, and he affirmatively avoided telling the truth (lied) in the Paula Jones deposition.
There should be Hell to pay for that. But crashing the Republic – I don’t see that.
So, a bill with a worthless PO is the beginning of a hard and lengthy slog, you think?
Kelly,
What is the W at 101? Am I stupid?
Yes.
I predict the same thing will happen about financial/Wall Street regulation.
Neither Health nor Money reform will be meaningful, in the immediate sense.
Repeat: In The Immediate Sense
Just because Bush isn’t in office doesn’t mean we get our way, right away. The odds are just a bit better.
Just Don’t Quit. This is a long game. Long game. Totally worthy of playing. If you quit, you lose, you know.
Bill was stupid but if we couldn’t impeach Bush for lying the country into war committing perjury about cheating on one’s wife certainly doesn’t qualify.
You’re not stupid. Its a W for Win in the Win Column.
think spencer tracey in it’s a mad mad mad mad world….
Well, if another 30 years is what you are bracing yourself for, I doubt you’ll have to wait that long. This trajectory is un-fucking-sustainable. Blood will run in the streets if patience is the game plan.
They are miles apart. I don’t agree with Turley, that Clinton should have been impeached. But both Clinton and Bush let themselves get dragged into battle with the ‘little captains.’
And for the record, I do not support capital punishment.
Hey, I’m not a single issue guy, but I have been working on gay rights for 30 fekking years.
By being what I want to be, I have more of what I want to have; and yes, it’s taken a very long time.
That’s what I meant upthread. You’re all gay now. Prepare to slog. That’s the way it is.
Doesn’t mean it’s all TERRIBLE! It’s concerning, but you can have fun along the way. Join Billionaires for Wealthcare!
Ok greg, I agree in principal, but (and with that start you expected a but).
“I want my Democrats (that’s my Democrats—one’s that represent me, and not AHIP)”
Now I have been playing with the Open Secrets numbers, their data, becuase I got curious, after being annoyed.
Ms Blanche Lincoln, has taken $1,399,597 from 783 individual PAC donations. The 783 PAC donors is the highest number of individual PAC donors in the senate.
In the same period, the 2009-2010 election cycle Ms Lincoln has gained $39,259 from individual donations. Some of which may not even be in Arkansas.
Please ask yourself, Just who is Ms Lincoln beholden to? The voters or the PACs?
It would be nice to lambast the politician in Ms Lincoln as being dishonest, crooked, sleazy and so on. This is too easy. Would it be fair? Would it be correct?
So a last question: Are the people who mis-represent us in Washington dishonest to the core, or is the game, the system, so corrupting that it’s impossible to survive if one fails to go along with this system of patronage?
We’re not done with our analysis of the open secrets numbers. There are so many things buried in these numbers that they would fill a web site. And they will.
When you are saying “you’re all gay now”, you do realize that you are talking about 95% of americans! That, is not your average gay party. That’s the whole middle class losing the middle, and then some!
Seems like it starts out as a parasitic relationship, and evolves into a symbiotic thing.
Yep. I mean it. You’re all screwed, and you need to earn your shit back.
By shit, I mean “Adequate Representation From Your Congress Critter.”
You are now second class. The Money interests are more important than you, and that fact is in your face.
Sorry to be blunt and rude, but, well, it’s true.
It’s like the “Blue Dress” theory, but with a boa and a champagne cocktail.
You fail to grasp, however, that your groups second class status could never challenge the status quo, – no one up there really trembled. What’s happening here and now to a vast majority, is of a different order of magnitude.
Good analogy. Parasites kill their hosts.
For purposes of the bitch-slapping to come, that is a distinction without a difference.
Tell us the day, please, when we will have an Executive and both houses of Congress to do OUR bidding.
Yep!
Like I said, welcome to my world.
I take it on faith that Senators and critters head for DC with at least the prospect of altruistic behavior in mind.
How long it lasts is another tale.
Can you feel the LOVE? This is why most Americans look at liberals as “nut cases”. We need to quit attacking everyone we have a petty difference with. Whats up with the need to toe the “party line”? Are we all mind-numb robots? We can agree to dis-agree.
what, have I got a crystal ball?
Long, slog – ok. What are you expecting to happen and when?
All I can say is that the Chinese are pegging the yuan to the dollar because they fear their subjects, and there is nothing America can do about it.
It’s funny though, what used to be the ‘middle class’ is now just another lower class of subjects.
And not ha-ha funny.
How divinely technical of you, with all that yuan and arbitrage business.
What you are failing to grasp, if I might borrow a term of yours, is that YOU are now a Second Class Citizen! Unless you’re a million/billionaire of course.
You just don’t count as much as you used to. You shall be marginalized to the extent possible.
You’re now in the same canoe I’ve been in for quite a long time.
Serfdom and second-class-ity just don’t feel good, now, does it?
Except for that horrid Ana Marie Cox, I kept thinking “this is what Meet the Press should look like.”
It beats me why and how you and Kelly derive so much pleasure out of watching misery befall 100s of million of people, many of whom fought all their lives long for all human rights.
Wrong, if I may say so flatly.
I do, however, have a sense of history and a sense of humor about it.
Well, I spend 80 % of my time in europe enjoying dual citizenship. Have fun living in a 2nd rate country.
WWWaaayy back in 2002-ish[?] a group of women in our community formed Women’s Forum for Change. We held public forums on the new Patriot Act with speakers from countries who understand the concepts behind the building of a police state. Local citizens.
We held forums on the Gagging of Librarians and people who’d received letters telling them not to talk about the “incident of the pocket-knife found on they’re carry-on luggage. They were informed that they were on a watch list and to shut the fuck up or else.
We held forus on health care back in 2004.
We held forums on the new No Child Left Behind catastrophe.
We held forums on the assault on Women’s Rights. In 2004 we sponsored 2 life-wire young women to go to the March For Choice. In a community of 600 full time residents 9 people attended that march. My daughter[15] and I [her mother] cashed in our Bush Tax Bribe and welcomed in her Womanhood with a trip to DC. Hotels,modest room service, and the intense Public Vibrations imaginable. It was incredible!!
And yet, here we are…..same as it ever was. Only worse.
Sorry about that, youngbloods. Wish there was a better chance for Hope and Change.
PLEASURE? MISERY?
You completely mis-read me. I take no pleasure in this.
At all, and whatsoever. With what is happening with Stupak/Pitts, and as well with the lack of diligence on what Really Must Be Done With Wall Street, me and women are at the bottom of the barrel. My fate is tied with women, and we’re not doing a very good job with women’s reproductive rights. We’re going backwards.
And that bodes way way way ill for me. The shittier women are treated leads to the shittier I am treated.
And how all of us are getting fekked over on the fiscal side is no laughing matter.
My point to you is, HELLO! You’re now second class, and it’s pretty much official. That’s a difficult skirt to wear now, isn’t it?
I don’t mind you’re discomfort one bit. You should be mad, and discomfitted.
Now you’re gay and destitute, – knock yourself out!
I have a reliable government healthcare and a semi-enlightened social democracy to cuddle up to.
Did anyone truly belive all that “Hope and Change” BS? Com’on-it’s time to grow up-the politicans will always fuck the people.
How nice for you! No wonder you can’t relate. You don’t have to!
Your judginess is so awesome. Really. I so appreciate your participation.
Congratulations.
Kelly – if we ever meet fuckno, he is going to think we are an item.
Well, aren’t we? I always assumed you loved me.
I’m saving myself for when Laura Ingraham wakes from her neo-con coma.
This could take a while…
I’m simply DASHED!
fuckno is not a European to my mind. An American ex-pat of some sort, not having to deal with what we are dealing with, and on some sort of high horse.
The Euro types I correspond with, REGULARLY, simply don’t get that we already don’t behave well as regards health care and other issues. They’re in my camp, and I am in theirs.
They wonder “why?” as do I.
I don’t begrudge people from other places for having a thoughtful government (in some situations), but I think there should be a large cover-charge for coming in here to tell us that we are fucked, fucked-up, and thoughtless, then head to the doctor for his taxpayer-funded checkup.
Not hope in Obama,…for one brief moment…hope in the American people after years of marching in the streets. Hope that they were shaking off the drug of the Media Massage.
Crap. My kids were raised marching in the streets. In other countries we’d be disappeared.
Ask Sarah Palin how well the abstinence only education model works.
Okay, I’ll donate $5 more to Marcy Wheeler’s thermometer if you promise never to mention the stupid,evil bitch again. I have to use all these adjectives because we can’t say the “C” word.
So well that part of the deal to get Blanch Lincoln on board the vote tomorrow – Harry inserted it BACK in the bill…
jeebus…
There was a good commentator on Charlie Rose tonight. It was Thomas Friedman. He has recently completed a book called, “Hot,Flat and Crowded.” Friedman pointed out why America is in danger of losing out in the world. We have become paralyzed by our system of governing. This health care bill is an example. It doesn’t really address the problem. It is a design arrived at by trying to please a number of different interest groups. And most of these interest groups are quite narrow in their interest. They just want to make money or maintain control of power, usually by maintaining mostly status quo. The problem mostly is that people don’t understand the need to be actually informed and the need to constantly make demands of government to address our problems, not the problems of the wealthy lobbyists who surround them constantly. We cannot solve problems by voting for celebrities and attractive women and beer drinkers. We need to vote for people who really understand the problems and know the importance of using experts and the importance of focusing on the most important issues. American needs to focus on America now. We are losing out in the world due to distractions and waste of resources on addressing the issues of the few at the expense of all of us in the end. We need to see that our environmental policies and our economic policies both need to be sustainable. When that is in sync, then all will be able to benefit from it. It requires our people to be healthy, educated and involved in transforming our country into a positive example of how to live life so that this earth can go on supporting us and those who come after us. We need to avoid making decisions which are unsound, just because we can right now. That is short term thinking and it sets up disasters in the near future. Good policies remain good. An environmental policy is not just good when Democrats are leading. It remains good when Republicans lead and should not be altered. It is never good to pollute and it is false to say that pollution is good for the economy. It isn’t. It is only deferred expense and will need to be paid for eventually. So, grab this book and lets get busy. We all need to pitch in and our government needs to ask us to do so and soon, before we do lose out.
Thomas Freidman has been so wrong about so many things that he is gaining on Bill Kristol. And when he has been right, it has without exception been years late.
Anyway, welcome.
Oh dude. Thomas Friedman is a the Poster Boy for the men with beautifully manicured hands. He’s an Uber Rich. Born into it and implanted to spread the Good Word of Corporate Control.
I have a wonderful, fun way to learn of Thomas Friedman’s” buddies in thought” expsed by men with Balls -of-Steel. The Yes Men. My heroes.
theyesmenfixtheworld.com
The people I know from Euorpe are mostly baffled about health care in this country. The idea that your health care is tied to your job made a friend from the Netherlands dumbfounded. It took a 15 minute conversation to explain it to him.
The idea that some people just don’t have health care… well you can imagine how long that conversation was…
Yeah, I know. My brother lives in Finland. They have a wonderful health/social services program.
It’s against the law for the Government to allow homelessness. They legally have to provide housing to their homeless.
I think of all the buildings we,as Americans, have sitting vacant in our country. And all the homeless forced onto the streets.
It’s Grover Norquist’s dream come true.
Dr. JOUNI KYLMÄLÄ has researched Finnish homeless men. Homelessness in Finland often is intermixed with divorce and alcohol abuse. Even with housing and support available, some men still prefer to live outside in this cold country. Interestingly, homelessness is often just a “bad patch” in men’s lives and they come back into society. I know one guy who drank for five years, then woke up in car in a junkyard one day and decided to do something else. He built a very successful electronics components business and retired in Spain. The US is making a huge mistake to treat the homeless as social detritus.
Many of the most powerful Democrats are LINO or PINO Democrats. Liberal and progressive in name only. At least when it comes to issues that impact Wall Street.
What most progressives are forced to stomach from the cronyiest of the crony capitalist Democrats on healthcare
reformrevision is The Bill You Least Hate.That depends on who you trust. If you trust many powerful Democrats to back the interests of Main Street over Wall Street on healthcare reform you are better off being disillusioned instead. That way way you will not trust them again down the road.
Reading this early Saturday morning so I’m beyond EPU land, but I wanted to say ‘well done’. And, I’ll take the pledge.
hate to nitpick, but…………..
you say “I am taking my queue from a few patriotic Americans” …
queue means you are standing in a line……… are you?
or are you taking a cue from the others you mention, as in you intend to follow their lead………
i think it makes a difference.
Wrong place for my response.
What did you find wrong with what I shared of his discussion with Charlie Rose? I don’t know anything about this guy, but what I heard him say on that program was very honest and I think he was making a good point.
I know nothing of his background. That doesn’t particularly interest me. On the program, I thought he was making good points. What did you find wrong with what I shared about his comments on Charlie Rose?
Thomas Friedman won 3 Pullitzer prizes. He is currently advocating that we get out of Iraq and Afghanistan.