Back in May 2007, while researching the activities of the American Psychological Association (APA) in support of the U.S. government’s interrogation program, I came across evidence that the APA had engaged in a discussion of torture techniques during a workshop organized by APA and the RAND Corporation, “with generous funding from the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).”
The workshop was held at the Arlington, Virginia, headquarters of the privately-held but long linked-to-the-government RAND think tank. APA Director of Science Geoff Mumford acted as liaison to the CIA for the meeting. Susan Brandon, a key APA “Senior Scientist”, and former member of the Bush White House’s Office of Science & Technology Policy, helped organize the affair, along with psychologist Kirk Hubbard, who was then Chief of the Research & Analysis Branch, Operational Assessment Division of the CIA.
The workshop was titled the “Science of Deception: Integration of Practice and Theory”, and it discussed new ways to utilize drugs and sensory bombardment techniques to break down interrogatees. Those are signal techniques of psychological torture long utilized by the CIA and other intelligence agencies and military around the world.
According to the brief APA account:
Meeting at RAND headquarters in Arlington, VA, the workshop drew together approximately 40 individuals including research psychologists, psychiatrists, neurologists who study various aspects of deception and representatives from the CIA, FBI and Department of Defense with interests in intelligence operations. In addition, representatives from the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy and the Science and Technology Directorate of the Department of Homeland Security were present…. Following brief introductions and welcoming remarks… workshop participants divided into break-out groups to discuss thematic scenarios….
It was one of the particular “break-out groups” that concerned me. According to APA’s Public Policy Office, which publishes an online newspaper called (with perhaps an unconscious taste for irony) “Spin,” the workshops covered Embassy “Walk-in” informants, Law Enforcement Threat Assessment, and Intelligence gathering (“What are the dimensions of truth?”). But the workshop on Law Enforcement Interrogation and Debriefing had some shocking language (emphasis added, quoted material from APA Government Relations: Science Policy website):
Law enforcement routinely question witnesses and suspects regarding criminal activity. How do you tell if the individual is telling the truth, lying, or something in between? Acts of omission and acts of commission are both important to identify.
How do we find out if the informant has knowledge of which s/he is not aware? How important are differential power and status between witness and officer? What pharmacological agents are known to affect apparent truth-telling behavior? What are mechanisms and processes of learning to lie? Can these be demonstrated within relatively short periods of time (e.g., within a polygraph test session)?…. What are sensory overloads on the maintenance of deceptive behaviors? How might we overload the system or overwhelm the senses and see how it affects deceptive behaviors?
According to writer, Katherine Eban, who wrote about the APA/RAND/CIA workshop in an August 2007 article at Vanity Fair, SERE-cum-CIA psychologists Bruce Jessen and James Mitchell were attendees at the workshop. Eban elaborated in a July 30, 2007 interview with Amy Goodman:
KATHERINE EBAN: …The attendance list is divided into two parts. One was really academic researchers, and the other one was operational, operational psychologists. So these were a lot of people who were associated with the CIA, some whose identity was so classified that they were only listed by first name in italics. Mitchell and Jessen were there on the list, listed as CIA contractors. And I think without that attendance list, I don’t know if we would have been able to put out this article.
AMY GOODMAN: The CIA funded this APA-RAND conference?
KATHERINE EBAN: Correct. And one of the main CIA participants and organizers, a man named Kirk Hubbard, told a key participant before the meeting, “Don’t ask these psychologists what they do for a living. Don’t ask them to identify themselves, because basically their identity is secret and classified.”
AMY GOODMAN: They debated the effectiveness of truth serum and other coercive techniques.
KATHERINE EBAN: Right. That’s correct.
“Secrecy is the freedom tyrants dream of”
So, one participant is told not to even reveal names of who attended this CIA/APA/RAND affair. At least one APA member has written to Geoff Mumford and Stephen Behnke (the latter is Director of the APA’s Ethics Office) asking for more information on the content of the meeting. To date, they have not bothered to respond.
The secrecy is not surprising, nor even relatively new. The APA and CIA have a very long history of working together on interrogation techniques, in particular on sensory deprivation and use of drugs like LSD and mescaline in interrogations, and other methods of breaking down the mind and the body of prisoners.
Use of drugs to influence interrogations, in addition to sensory deprivation, distortion and overload or bombardment were signal techniques in a decades-long interrogation research program that came to be known by its most famous moniker, MKULTRA (although these torture techniques were studied and tested by the CIA even earlier, in its 1950s projects Bluebird and Artichoke). Such techniques were codified by the early 1960s in a CIA Counterinsurgency Interrogation Manual, also known by its codename, KUBARK.
According to numerous researchers, the CIA, and the psychologists and psychiatrists they contracted to work with them, including many of the top behavioral scientists of their day, experimented with many drugs in their quest to find a “truth” drug that would open up the recalcitrant and expose the liar and the dissembler. The CIA has declassified a paper from its in-house intelligence journal from the early 1960s, “‘Truth’ Drugs in Interrogation,” where they discuss research on drugs for interrogation ranging from scopolamine, amphetamines, and barbiturates to cannabis, LSD, and mescaline. The CIA authors discuss the limitations of using drugs, based on research, and conclude that a special use for drugs may be found in detection of deception.
(A discussion of CIA research into truth drugs, use of LSD, and other topics is thoroughly discussed in H.P. Albarelli’s recently published book, A Terrible Mistake: The Murder of Frank Olson and the CIA’s Secret Cold War Experiments.)
But the quotes from the CIA/RAND/APA deception workshop are not from 40 years ago. They are from 2003. Evidently the research into using drugs on captured or arrested or incarcerated prisoners or “enemy combatants” has not ended.
In an article last June, I noted that the current Army Field Manual carries an allowance for use of drugs on certain prisoners which is less restrictive than even John Yoo allowed for in the Bybee memos. For months, the the Pentagon Inspector General has been investigating the use of drugs upon prisoners at Guantanamo and elsewhere, but we have not heard where that investigation is headed, nor when it will be concluded. An email request for more information was not returned.
It is infuriating that the planning and implementation of torture, such as that which took place under almost public purview–i.e., it was practically bragged about by the APA on its own website–does not lead to a full set of investigations. Psychologists within APA who attempted to bring the issue up were unable to get any answers.
On November 9, members of Psychologists for an Ethical APA jettisoned its attempts to (for the most part) reform the APA from within, stating on their website that they have “initiated a movement to coordinate a mass resignation from the American Psychological Association (APA) on the part of APA members who are concerned about APA’s actions and policies regarding psychologists’ participation in interrogations and detention in extra-legal War on Terror prisons, as well as about APA’s unresponsiveness to widespread member efforts to change these policies.” They set up a petition site to record member’s resignation statements, as well. Who can blame them, at this point? (For the record, I resigned from APA in January 2008, citing the APA/CIA/RAND workshop as one reason for leaving.)
Something very rotten is going on at the heart of American behavioral science, and I’m not talking about decades-old scandals — I’m talking about right now. Along with collaboration with the CIA and military on possible new abusive interrogation methods, the APA is fighting to keep its links with the military, and to keep psychologists as essential components of their interrogation practice. This is the program behind the Intelligence Science Board’s Educing Information (large PDF) report, which was accepted recently by the Obama administration as their new template for interrogation practice. In a future article, I’ll discuss how this report was set up by the CIA and military as a snow job to mask the use of pernicious interrogation methods that include techniques of psychological torture.
In the meantime, won’t someone with political clout open up an investigation of the CIA/RAND/APA meeting that plotted torture?




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If only the United States Senate had a Committee for Governmental Operations, surely that would be an excellent venue for such an investigation!
A committee with oversight responsibilities?
What a concept!
Sounds good. I’m not sure what Congressional committee would investigate. One of the main problems with the CIA is the lack of oversight. The Intelligence Committee?
our government has become what the founding fathers warned against. the entire constitution has become useless and only means what our government tells us it means.
Actually, re investigations, I should say that the organization Psychologists for Social Responsibility have issued a call for an independent investigation of psychologist/APA collaboration with government on torture.
Full disclosure: I pay dues to PsySR, and exactly because of their positions on this and like issues.
Fantastic work, Jeff. I see that the date for the meeting was June, 2003, so the waterboarding of KSM already had taken place, so at least his case was retrospective for the meeting. The “Spin” document mentions an FBI meeting in February, 2002 that has its final report here (pdf). Many of the same pyschologists, including Mitchell are listed as having attended. I wonder how much planning was done at that meeting…
Thanks, Jim.
An interesting thing when I revisited the story for this piece, I noticed that the FBI had been involved in this meeting, something I hadn’t noticed before.
The FBI gets the nod for being against torture — and in fact, historically (I only just discovered), when asked to join MKULTRA planning by the CIA long ago, J. Edgar Hoover led the FBI to be alone in rejecting cooperation with that project, while other fed agencies, like Bureau of Narcotics, went along — in fact, their track record in the Bush years is more nuanced, and not in a good way.
I’ve got the research on an article sitting on the back of my desk. One of the main points in this someday article is to demonstrate how top FBI officials had no problems joining up with key Mitchell-Jessen personnel to run security businesses after MJ got exposed. Being a torturer in this intel-security milieu is not a black mark against you, evidently. I’ll get to that article someday soon.
the torture program was done by members of team b, teh incredibly few in the cia who went along with the program, all others were appalled
team b was put together by rumslfeld/cheney to dismantle nixon’s treaty of detante under ford, they manufactured lies about the ussr just like they manufactured lies about Iraq
it’s team b and I guarantee the professionals in the cia will be more then happy helping in the investigation
Oooh, from the executive summary of the document I linked (from the section “relationships with key communities”:
Emphasis added.
And there’s more (from the section interrogation/interview techniques:
Emphasis added again.
You’re pulling on a very important thread, here, Jeff!
when the Democrats take over Congress in 2006, they will surely have investigations into the outrages of the National Security State!
oh, oops, that was a timewarp from 2006, like when Glenn Greenwald wrote:
Hm-hmmm. from May 24, 2006.
Forget about investigations, and note the wisdom of the principled Psychologists for an Ethical APA, who had the courage of their convictions and bolted from the thoroughly corrupted, craven, servile to power parent organization.
it is increasingly difficult to reconcile ‘progressive’ even humanitarian values with the Netrootsian imperative to vote Democratic, no matter what. Heed the courage of the Psychologists for an Ethical APA and split.
Many here “”loves the Democrats, for they are the one true vehicle to Progressive Change, and despise the 3rd Party heresy” but are the (D) politicians not equally tolerant of abhorrent torture?
parse some differences for me, provide some links maybe, because on this issue of the distilled evil of torture, there ought to be some examples that Lesser Evil apologists can come up with.
feel free to take potshots at the messenger as well, en route to your substantiated rebuttals!
Yes, and I wrote about this at the time, as I was incensed that the FBI and friends (with APA connivance) were essentially asking psychologists to turn into Patriot Act-style finks on their patients. After having researched the military therapist confidentiality issues for bmaz and EW recently (on my own initiative), coming off EW’s work on the Hasan story, what that doc you have referenced does is try to turn civilian psychology work into something akin to military psychology.
Maybe one way to think of all this is that with the “war on terror”, following upon the “Cold War,” we are really talking about the militarization of the whole society… and that is a very dangerous thing.
But, but, we don’t need any stinking investigations…..
No potshots from me. I think the Democrats (as a party, there are individual exceptions) have a lot to answer for on torture. That’s one reason I keep bringing up the Army Field Manual/Appendix M issue. I didn’t do it in this essay (for which some may say hallelujah) but it certainly speaks directly to how torture is being treated under Obama, that and the whole accountability issue, closure of Gitmo, etc.
(my bold)
Which leads individuals to practice self-censorship. Which creates high suicide rates.
Cheers, I wasn’t intending to include you, just broadening out to the quandary of loyalty to human values, political beliefs vis-a-vis loyalty to (D) electioneering.
As you point out, the militarization of the entire society has been an ongoing, and rather far advanced, project.
It takes guts to split from corrupted institutions, but this course allows for clearheaded critiques, unencumbered by concerns about retribution from high-status, complicit or implicated leadership types.
see “Veal Pen, the”.
Why haven’t the APA banished these torture experts from their ranks? Are they not familiar with the Zimbardo experiments?
I didn’t take you as speaking about me, btw. As for the “veal pen”… yuck, ever since I heard that term (did Jane invent it?), I experience a visceral shudder just imagining myself trapped in such an awful place. What a bizarre thought to think that people essentially live and work there.
I think they ~ overwhelmed ~ my husband. Really. I mean it. He cracked under the pressure he was under. I was very worried he was going to have a heart attack.
He is a government contractor. Is that a useful legal angle? It seems it might be to me.
I found I really got results lately with Kaiser carrying his 2005 Halliburton gift bag from a conference saying he was a contractor and I had been tortured. “Conspiracy to commit torture.” Loudly. They started to believe me, which of course is scary as all heck.
It would be a good idea to subpoena our mental health records. I really do think the psychologists there set me up for torture. It was torture for both of us, they tricked him into hurting me.
Don’t you think that was torture? It was.
thanks, Jeff, for keeping us up-dated on this APA-CIA-MIA interrogation-torture-deception axis.
i’m just curious as to whether or not such behavior among those involved is part of a normal evolutionary process associated with empires and their feverish plans involving the control of others.
as time goes on i can’t help but think that these types of large-scale unethical activities are part of some deeper phenomena. Foucault’s 1975 Surveiller et punir (Surveillance and Punishment) comes to mind in terms of the institutionalization of the sadomasochistically evolved hierarchies. As you wrote: “it was practically bragged about by the APA on its own website.”
Surely, when one overwhelms the personality with sensory overload or deprivation, or drugs, one affects far more than just the target’s “deceptive” or “truthtelling” behavior. The physician or psychologist who does it becomes responsible for the totality of the effects caused by his or her intervention. Following orders and the never-yet-experienced ticking bomb scenario wouldn’t seem to be adequate defenses to obliterating the personality or doing lasting damage.
Re help… so far that has not been the case. While the team B analysis may work for understanding cliques within the executive branch, the CIA has a far older history with this torture business. We are looking at an entrenched bureaucracy, with bureaus and departments that we don’t generally know or talk about, such as CIA’s Office of Security, or their Office of Technical Services. The CIA’s split between operations (“plans”) and analysis is already well known, and does not correlate exactly with the whole team A/team B business.
That said, you are right about the history of differences re Soviet issue, and even role of U.S. in post-Soviet world. I’m only saying that the analysis only helps explain some phenomenon. Empirically, I have not seen anyone currently in the CIA be helpful to those of us in the anti-torture movement.
You are right, there is no adequate defense.
Meanwhile, an interesting piece someone sent me, from BBC:
Another fun read: Bryant Welch’s article on Fort Hood, and the pathetic intervention of the official psychological establishment into the mental health issue of vets. And then take a look at Marty Seligman’s reply to Welch’s devastating critique of “Positive Psychology”. (I make a guest appearance in the comments section of the latter. This is all great fun for those who have followed the psychology-torture angle, and recognize Seligman as godfather, at least spiritually, to Mitchell and Jessen.)
Torturers and their supporters need to be prosecuted. Which individual came up with the idea of torturing toddler’s testicles as a means to get their parents to ‘confess’?
Focus the issue on the torture of innocent CHILDREN and you ought to be able to get the mainstream of Christian America on our side. Jesus loves him some little children.
Enjoy.
Thank you for this piece Jeff. It adds another dimension, as well, to the claims of drugging that have been prevalent and have been dismissed and pooh poohed – even where they involved drugging of a US citizen on US soil.
I’m told by some who should know that the drugging issue is not dead by any means, and that we will be hearing more about this in the months ahead. Given what we do know already, I hope my sources are right on this.