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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/11/15/america-regrets-were-unable-to-lunch-today/#comment-2016243</link>
		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But it’s all professional wrestling. When the fight is done, the media maestros walk arm in arm from the tavern, singing self-congratulatory songs about their big-spirited bipartisanship.

Too often, “bipartisanship” is just another word for Sophie’s Choice. One side says save two children. The other side says let both die. The bipartisan solution is to save one at the sacrifice of the other. Politics, after all, is the art of compromise, &lt;strong&gt;even if the compromise is morally bankrupt.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Brilliant.
And far, far too true.
Thank you for such insightful analysis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But it’s all professional wrestling. When the fight is done, the media maestros walk arm in arm from the tavern, singing self-congratulatory songs about their big-spirited bipartisanship.</p>
<p>Too often, “bipartisanship” is just another word for Sophie’s Choice. One side says save two children. The other side says let both die. The bipartisan solution is to save one at the sacrifice of the other. Politics, after all, is the art of compromise, <strong>even if the compromise is morally bankrupt.</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>Brilliant.<br />
And far, far too true.<br />
Thank you for such insightful analysis.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn W. Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn W. Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very important points, concisely put.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very important points, concisely put.</p>
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		<title>By: Phoenix Woman</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/11/15/america-regrets-were-unable-to-lunch-today/#comment-2016230</link>
		<dc:creator>Phoenix Woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 20:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That just says it all, doesn&#039;t it?

Fitzgerald started out admiring and envying the rich, then -- when he had the chance to see them up close -- being appalled by them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That just says it all, doesn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>Fitzgerald started out admiring and envying the rich, then &#8212; when he had the chance to see them up close &#8212; being appalled by them.</p>
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		<title>By: libbyliberal</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/11/15/america-regrets-were-unable-to-lunch-today/#comment-2016222</link>
		<dc:creator>libbyliberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 20:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Glenn. Shrum wasn&#039;t even on my radar, such an insider he is, or as so recently an ostrich citizen, I am such an outsider to the power behind the seeming power. Would like to explore further shenanigans of the puppeteers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Glenn. Shrum wasn&#8217;t even on my radar, such an insider he is, or as so recently an ostrich citizen, I am such an outsider to the power behind the seeming power. Would like to explore further shenanigans of the puppeteers.</p>
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		<title>By: DavidKaib</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/11/15/america-regrets-were-unable-to-lunch-today/#comment-2016221</link>
		<dc:creator>DavidKaib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 20:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Searching for individual level explanations for common, institutionally driven behavior leads us in the wrong direction.  Their behavior is a product of the system - that does not excuse it, but it does help us understand it better. Attacking them, or anyone else in their institutional position, will not change things. Many good people with impeccable left credentials have been ruined by the system - that is what must be dismantled, if we want anything to change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Searching for individual level explanations for common, institutionally driven behavior leads us in the wrong direction.  Their behavior is a product of the system &#8211; that does not excuse it, but it does help us understand it better. Attacking them, or anyone else in their institutional position, will not change things. Many good people with impeccable left credentials have been ruined by the system &#8211; that is what must be dismantled, if we want anything to change.</p>
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		<title>By: mattcarmody</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/11/15/america-regrets-were-unable-to-lunch-today/#comment-2016219</link>
		<dc:creator>mattcarmody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 20:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could it be that they can cohabitate because they&#039;re not that different?
Carville did go to Venezuela after the US coup failed to try unseating Chavez the &quot;electoral&quot; way and that didn&#039;t work. That doesn&#039;t make him any champion of the left by any measure.

He&#039;s a shill and she&#039;s a shrew.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could it be that they can cohabitate because they&#8217;re not that different?<br />
Carville did go to Venezuela after the US coup failed to try unseating Chavez the &#8220;electoral&#8221; way and that didn&#8217;t work. That doesn&#8217;t make him any champion of the left by any measure.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s a shill and she&#8217;s a shrew.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn W. Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn W. Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 19:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with you on the solutions. It is doable, and it is more than a dream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with you on the solutions. It is doable, and it is more than a dream.</p>
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		<title>By: DavidKaib</title>
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		<dc:creator>DavidKaib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 19:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glenn,

Beautiful post, as always.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Too often, “bipartisanship” is just another word for Sophie’s Choice. One side says save two children. The other side says let both die. The bipartisan solution is to save one at the sacrifice of the other. Politics, after all, is the art of compromise, even if the compromise is morally bankrupt.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This isn&#039;t quite right. How about this: There are two children in danger, one side says kill them and 10 more. The other side says - we need to come to an agreement, let&#039;s not save any. They compromise halfway - no one is saved, and 5 more children are killed. 

Republicans never give up anything in the name of bipartisanship - which is a club they and conservavdems used against the rest of us. Conservatives of all stripes have learned how to take advantage of the rule of the game, but that&#039;s not the same as believing in the rules (which is irrelevant.)

&lt;blockquote&gt;If we could reduce the cash profit in politic campaigns with, for instance, public finance and free TV time, we might be surprised at the wisdom and respectfulness of a broadly informed public. I doubt there’s much hope for such reforms.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

You are right, but I have three thoughts. One is - we can make progress on clean elections at the state level. That is nothing to sneeze at.  

The second is that we might be able to improve things at the national level - free air time might be seen as less threatening to the system, but would have a great impact (there are serious diminishing returns to campaign media - and ensuring that a challenger or rogue incumbent can get name recognition and their message out there would largely eliminate the advantages of those with big money, in my opinion.) 

Third, a grass roots, face-to-face, volunteer driven campaign (like Cynthia described @2) still works, and if done right, can overcome a big money, media driven campaign. We could make that happen where ever the conditions are ripe - without relying on reform making it through our corrupt system.  (In LA, this approach has been driven by a rejuvenated labor movement, to offer one example.)  

So don&#039;t just dream - organize!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glenn,</p>
<p>Beautiful post, as always.</p>
<blockquote><p>Too often, “bipartisanship” is just another word for Sophie’s Choice. One side says save two children. The other side says let both die. The bipartisan solution is to save one at the sacrifice of the other. Politics, after all, is the art of compromise, even if the compromise is morally bankrupt.</p></blockquote>
<p>This isn&#8217;t quite right. How about this: There are two children in danger, one side says kill them and 10 more. The other side says &#8211; we need to come to an agreement, let&#8217;s not save any. They compromise halfway &#8211; no one is saved, and 5 more children are killed. </p>
<p>Republicans never give up anything in the name of bipartisanship &#8211; which is a club they and conservavdems used against the rest of us. Conservatives of all stripes have learned how to take advantage of the rule of the game, but that&#8217;s not the same as believing in the rules (which is irrelevant.)</p>
<blockquote><p>If we could reduce the cash profit in politic campaigns with, for instance, public finance and free TV time, we might be surprised at the wisdom and respectfulness of a broadly informed public. I doubt there’s much hope for such reforms.</p></blockquote>
<p>You are right, but I have three thoughts. One is &#8211; we can make progress on clean elections at the state level. That is nothing to sneeze at.  </p>
<p>The second is that we might be able to improve things at the national level &#8211; free air time might be seen as less threatening to the system, but would have a great impact (there are serious diminishing returns to campaign media &#8211; and ensuring that a challenger or rogue incumbent can get name recognition and their message out there would largely eliminate the advantages of those with big money, in my opinion.) </p>
<p>Third, a grass roots, face-to-face, volunteer driven campaign (like Cynthia described @2) still works, and if done right, can overcome a big money, media driven campaign. We could make that happen where ever the conditions are ripe &#8211; without relying on reform making it through our corrupt system.  (In LA, this approach has been driven by a rejuvenated labor movement, to offer one example.)  </p>
<p>So don&#8217;t just dream &#8211; organize!</p>
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		<title>By: Mommybrain</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/11/15/america-regrets-were-unable-to-lunch-today/#comment-2016193</link>
		<dc:creator>Mommybrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 19:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>..&lt;em&gt;.we might be surprised at the wisdom and respectfulness of a broadly informed public...
&lt;/em&gt;
I stuck my one and only kid into public school this year, after private schools since kinder.  Granted, it&#039;s a charter school (with an interesting charter - growing food and entrepreneurs) and very high scores - 840 for all the years of its existence - but still public.  I did not have good experience with public school in Virginia.  In 4th grade they are learning about democracy and Democracy, freedom, citizenship and what you need to do to be a good one.  They don costumes and act out parts of history, it&#039;s really crazy good.  And he is very engaged, where he wasn&#039;t at all in private school.  I have high hopes for him and his cohort.

Cynicism  is what the Carville ilk are peddling, a poison that will kill us if we take it as truth. Even the Dem consultants I know are cynical and world weary.  Winning is everything anymore, but what comes next?  Is cynacism depression wearing a mask?  That&#039;s what it feels like to me.

I love reading your posts, Glenn, because you have that deep down river of love, peace and understanding coursing through your veins, which trumps petty, daily bullshit.

Namaste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>..<em>.we might be surprised at the wisdom and respectfulness of a broadly informed public&#8230;<br />
</em><br />
I stuck my one and only kid into public school this year, after private schools since kinder.  Granted, it&#8217;s a charter school (with an interesting charter &#8211; growing food and entrepreneurs) and very high scores &#8211; 840 for all the years of its existence &#8211; but still public.  I did not have good experience with public school in Virginia.  In 4th grade they are learning about democracy and Democracy, freedom, citizenship and what you need to do to be a good one.  They don costumes and act out parts of history, it&#8217;s really crazy good.  And he is very engaged, where he wasn&#8217;t at all in private school.  I have high hopes for him and his cohort.</p>
<p>Cynicism  is what the Carville ilk are peddling, a poison that will kill us if we take it as truth. Even the Dem consultants I know are cynical and world weary.  Winning is everything anymore, but what comes next?  Is cynacism depression wearing a mask?  That&#8217;s what it feels like to me.</p>
<p>I love reading your posts, Glenn, because you have that deep down river of love, peace and understanding coursing through your veins, which trumps petty, daily bullshit.</p>
<p>Namaste.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn W. Smith</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/11/15/america-regrets-were-unable-to-lunch-today/#comment-2016191</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn W. Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 19:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, it was Bob Shrum. Axelrod was really an outsider to the in-crowd, a midwestern breath of fresh air, or, someone who could be that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, it was Bob Shrum. Axelrod was really an outsider to the in-crowd, a midwestern breath of fresh air, or, someone who could be that.</p>
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