In the ongoing leak war surrounding Obama’s decision on a new or new-new Afghanistan strategy, the McChrystal team apparently has competition. Last night, we learned of the leak of a cable from US Ambassador to Afghanistan Eikenberry which goes even further than his “memo to officials leading the civilian effort in Afghanistan” which David Dayen at FDL News Desk reported earlier in the day. In that memo, Eikenberry warns about the “lack of a credible government partner.” In what appears to be a second cable to the White House:
He said it was “not a good idea” to send more troops, the BBC has been told.
The cable arrived days before Mr Obama held a crucial strategy session – to discuss the question of whether to send tens of thousands more troops to confront and push back the Taliban.
The cable appears to be a dramatic and last-minute intervention by the ambassador, BBC Washington correspondent Adam Brookes reports.
The BBC goes on to report that:
Gen McChrystal was “fuming” about Mr Eikenberry’s intervention, sources said.
Following this news, the AP reported that Obama is not buying any of the current Afghanistan options.
It’s impossible to parse the various leaks with any certainty as various factions attempt to influence and spin the current deliberations – and perhaps send up a few trial balloons. Still, after the McChrystal/DoD campaign for major troop increases, these new reports of opposition to McChrystal’s troop requests are a welcome shift – if they represent a genuine rethinking of Afghanistan by Obama and perhaps an increasingly influential role for less hawkish voices in contrast to the pro-McChrystal stance of Clinton, Gates and Mullen.
It’s also unclear whether Obama’s displeasure with the McChrystal options actually represents an unwillingness to send more troops or simply a desire for a different escalation timeline or additional conditions on the Karzai government, but Eikenberry’s cable and its leak suggests a significant shift in policy may be developing.
Eikenberry, who served as the top US commander in Afghanistan during the last administration is reported by the New York Times to have some interesting history with McChrystal:
General Eikenberry crossed paths with General McChrystal during his second tour in Afghanistan, when General McChrystal led the military’s Joint Special Operations Command, which conducted clandestine operations in both Iraq and Afghanistan.
I’m left wondering if McChrystal may have overplayed his hand.



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G’mornin’ Siun !
Have there been any “leaks” from Petraeus & Odierno ?
I do believe that McC. is another too-tightly wound officer. Obama apparently tried to wind him down to no avail. He really has become the face of how America loves some war & militarism. I think Obama gets that.
Biden and most of the intel and foreign service community (in other words, the people who Hillary, as Secretary of State, should be listening to instead of doing the standard insecure-civilian-pushover act so she can’t be accused of dissing the military men) are in favor of inviting those Talibs that are amenable to the negotiating table and getting their aid in going after Al-Qaeda, who most of them aren’t too crazy about anyway.
Dreyfus in Rollingstone analysis just before Eikenberry’s report.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/30493567/the_generals_revolt/1
I personally think this is big.
I do believe that McC. is another too-tightly wound officer.
Corn cob up teh butt syndrome.
Obama and Hillary (as apparently did her spouse Bill) suffer from Insecure Civilian Disorder, which affects people who’ve never served in the military. It manifests in an excessive deference to and unquestioning trust in guys with stars on their shoulders. Obama seems, with Biden’s and Eikenberry’s help, to be throwing this off, but Hillary’s deep in its clutches, to the point where she’s blowing off the people in her own shop (namely the foreign service community) in favor of McChrystal and Company.
There have been turf wars between the regular military and special ops for some time.
McChrystal’s Mentor…
Technically, McChrystal and the other generals can do what they want. They don’t have to listen to Obama. I mean they are the generals.
Prez Obama needs to get on the phone and call Admiral Fallon and offer him the position of SUPREME COMMANDER over all this nonsense in Iraq and Afghanistan.Get rid of the three stooges McChrystal,Odierno,and Petraeus.This would go a long way in raising morale and winning the wars.
I heard on Matthews last night that the US simply does not HAVE the troops. Now that’s just about as scary as escalation.
False
And put in the reminder about his role in the Tillman cover up. Why would anyone put trust in a known liar?
Perhaps Gen. McChrystal should explain to us why the lives of still more American soldiers should be put on the line for a government more corrupt and deceptive than Fox News.
Not to mention all the lives of those we have come to recognize euphemistically as “collateral damage”.
Obama is beginning to grasp that no one is really able to grasp what the hell is going on over there. And though we go back and forth in places like this arguing about the same thing, we are even more in the dark. Much more.
Stuff happens “behind the curtains” in Washington all the time. American foreign policy itself is just another production of the wizard of oz.
GET OUT. like yesterday.
Time for Obama to follow Truman/MacArthur and fire McCrystal.
These three stooges as I referred to them in my last post are the same corrupt Cheney insiders that came before the Congress with their false ass-esmants and lies.They need to be fired today or they will continue to undermine Obama and do the bidding of their corporate masters.
Unless we develop a comprehensive South Asia strategy, the most we can hope for is a temporary peace in Afghanistan.
What would such a strategy look like? Well, at the very least it requires some moderation of the strategic competition between India and Pakistan.
Without attention to this aspect of the problem, we really are only playing around at the edges of the conflict.
For more, see http://bit.ly/3vYHPk
My son served under Gen. McCrystal in Afghanistan/Pakistan in 01/02. My son met with him several times. He had a much higher opinion of McCrystal than some of the R/A generals. The R/A generals had a view of the troops as so much chattel – same extended to view of the Afghanistan people.
It certainly seems that the decision to keep so many Bush military folks in leadership was a big mistake – a mistake Obama is hopefully recognizing finally.
What is really going on in all of this remains impossible to sort out – there are so many factions and machinations, it’s rather like the games we used to play trying to understand who was rising or falling from power by seeing who sat where in photos from Mao’s May Day parades, eh?
AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Siun and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
“I am left wondering if McChrystal may have overplayed his hand.”
Well Citizen, ya think maybe just a bit? But actually, his advice and behavior ever since bein’ tasked to review and report have been coordinated with the domestic political pressure on the White House over healthcare and economic re-regulation. The idea was to force Obama to deploy more troops to give ‘imself space to deal with the immediate domestic political crisis and then be caught with nowhere ta go but forward in Afghanistan. I think that what we have seen in the last few days from the White House to try and get anything on healthcare in order to declare victory there and then maybe announce a withdrwal plan in the political space opened up has fallen flat. To his credit, Obama is not cavin in but he’s sure gettin ta look at lot more like JFK as each scene of this drama plays out.
This is the defining moment of the Obama presidency and in the modern history of the United States. Obama hasta face down the corporate fascists on Wall Street and in the military and the only way he gets the resouces to rebuild the country and face down the banksters is to get the hell outta the ME. No matter what your politics (and mine are sure far to the left of Obama’s) or your religious proclivities, now is the time to pray that Obama has the courage that cost JFK his life.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE FUCKIN AMMUNITION, WE GOTTA GET IT RIGHT THIS TIME!!
Save your breath, it’s already decided here.
you know, “ambassador” doesn’t have the same ring to it as “general under the previous administration and current ambassador”
I know that’s verbose but it settles quite handily those who want to “listen to the generals on the ground”
Raven !
That’s interesting to know – it’s impossible from the media to get a feel for how troops under him find his command.
Citizen Raven:
Clarify please Brother Raven.
Thanks….I do not always agree with you ;), but I sure like straight talk. I hope someone is listening….
In a country scattered with the wrecks of Russian tanks
one would think our future here is painfully obvious!
Russian tanks, British carbines, things like that.
O/T … Canadian Supreme Court to smack NeoCon Government’s handling of Omar Khadr – via globeandmail
Citizen Phoenix Woman:
And American RPG’s and ordnance…thanks Charlie Wilson!
this will do
what’s and American RPG? 3.5, LAW???
Thanks for this, Siun. What a contrast here in Afghanistan for Eikenberry and McChrystal to be making opposite arguments when Petraeus and Crocker were joined at the hip for all the discussions of strategy in Iraq. I still maintain that McChrystal is a war criminal who belongs in jail rather than leading a campaign, so I am pleased that push-back against him is getting some traction.
Shades of Vietnam. The way we got out of that was when the Democratic Congress told Nixon — who got elected in 1968 on a promise to fix what LBJ had botched but somehow managed to get dug in deeper — they were cutting off the funding for the war. Which is of course why now Republicans screech about this and the media joins them in making the cutting of war funding a mortal sin (but they never somehow seem to back the raising of taxes that wars require).
Now, instead of running out of money, we’re running out of bodies.
It is not a country. A country presupposes a central government and a fairly common mindset among the entire populace. Afghanistan is a land mass peopled by competing factions and we are in the middle.
Citizen Raven:
Roger, Citizen…I once asked ya if any of the youngsters around here would ever understand and you said “no”, well, you been way ahead of me for a long time, Brother Freebird. Find some quiet, get a fishin’ poll out and chase a few dreams, Brother.
The pro surge leaks, if from the Pentagon should be followed up and the perps should be shitcanned.
President Obama needs to establish for once and for all that America is a civilian nation led by civilian leaders not a military junta lead by generals.
-G
Citizen Raven:
I can’t remember what all the stuff was that Wilson and the CIA got to the Afghans…”RPG” was just convenient to make the point. I’m a medical low quarter, Brother and I don’t get into the high level hardware of blowin’ people up.
Next week, gulf coast.
Stingers were the key, heat seekers that waxed the Russkies choppers.
P.S. Citizen Raven:
A lot a the stuff was Russian through the Israelis so even if we didn’t leave a fingerprint on the triggers we paid for the shit.
I knew that, just concerned about the noun-nomenclature.
Ah yes, I can remember it like it was yesterday. US congressmen running over to Afghanistan to wear the local garb and wax poetic about how they were awed by the religiously inspired mujahadeen. Ronald Reagan was so impressed he thought they were the equivalent of our founding fathers.
Fucking rubes.
-G
Citizen Raven:
I remember after I was redeployed to White Sands I got called out to standby in a crackerbox to watch a “Redeye” test…the thing went “clunk” to the ground and the drone pullin the target had more damage than the missle after it hit the ground.
We keep failing to treat Afghanistan as a collection of tribes. It isn’t a viable nation state. We can’t force that evolution to happen when topography and tradition argue against it. Why do we “need” them to be other than they are? Work with 32 tribes if that’s how many there are. Encourage the Afghans and the Pakistanis to cede Pashtunistan (or Pastunisia) to the Pashtuns. Encourage India to cede Kashmir to the Pakistanis via the long promised plebiscite. Stop trying to shoehorn history…
Almagordo! They shipped those dawgs to us in Korea too~
Citizen Raven:
Where on the coast…are ya goin out on the water or are ya gunna toss a few set lines in the surf and lubricate yer mind with a few Red Stripes?
McChrystal is poison. Dump him. Dump the West Point Jesus freaks. We do not have the soldiers, though that is not the reason. We went into this war to get the perpetrators of 9/11. They are gone. Get out.
You want a battle that bad McChrystal?
OK Fine, get out there with your own rifle & backpack and get OBL yourself.
After all, you were trained like all the other soldiers – so go get him!
BTW, expect to go country to country over there trying to find him and getting rid of Al Queda. Bring along another pair of boots!
The guy is trying to be this war’s McCarthur vs Truman so he can run for office as a Republican after he gets fired.
Destin. They shut down the Amberjack and Red Snapper but I’ll still go out on a head boat one day and then bay fish and throw in the surf the others. No booze for 17 years!~
Sweet Jody
For the moment Obama is in the catbird’s seat on this one. He isn’t afraid of the military like Clinton was, has a huge majority, and can face down the fascists. For sure, Petraeus is angling to be the rethug candidate. Obama is looking ahead and smoking him out. He asking those who want to escalate, ‘show me how this works’, and they can’t because what they want doesn’t work. This doesn’t get us out of the woods by any means, but at least we don’t get any further in.
I think Obama is getting revved to withdraw. The necessary “arrangements” are being made to help secure Pakistan’s nukes and special ops will have their hands full. This will surely be unpopular with hawks, but speaking for myself, bring those kids home. Defending the homeland is an honorable endeavour but getting these patriots killed and maimed for a bad strategy is not honorable, it’s politics. I believe this president is about to surprise a lot of people at how tough he is.
Citizen wedidit:
Obama’s task is to get someone over there to forge a bargain with the Taliban and drive a wedge between the Taliban and Osama’s operation. They sent Kerry over last month and that went over like a pay toilet in a diahrrea ward…they can’t send Clinton for many obvious reasons…time for Holbrook or a diplomatic wunderkind but whatever, Obama needs someone with some credibility with the Afghanis and at the same time he’s gotta make some public overture to the Palistinians to back up the effort.
Just read your comment and whole-heartedly agree. He is exactly where JFK was, with one advantage — a bigger electoral majority. I hope to hell he doesn’t get shot.
It’s so easy for too many people/families to say Pro-War comments on blogs, newspaper articles, television news and TV Pundit shows.
After all, how many people in the media have a Husband, Wife, Son, Daughter, Niece, Nephew, Grandson, Granddaughter serving in The Military? Less than 1% of the entire country’s population!
My parsing of what is happening is this. Obama wants real answers from anyone proposing a strategy option, and all he’s gotten so far is the usual bullshit. So he’s calling out the bullshit.
Obama want to see an actual exit strategy and a discussion of how they will get strong public support. In other words, it seems that Obama is applying the Powell doctrine in making this decision.
McChrystal is not the only player at DoD. Indeed there has been some discussion about the fact that Eikenberry, a former general training Afghan troops, in addition to distrusting Karzai’s ability to be a reliable partner has a distrust of the Patraeus/McChrystal/Odierno/Sanchez generals who have known each other since they graduated from West Point in 1974/75 (i.e. the years when Vietnam War was supposedly Vietnamized and there were supposedly only a few US troops there). And it seems that General Casey is not comfortable with the Petraeus bunch because of their political end runs and grandstanding. The name Douglas McArthur keeps coming up in descriptions of the Petraeus bunch. And they might have overplayed their hand by leaking McChrystal’s recommendations in London.
Citizen Raven:
Great Citizen, it ain’t about the fish anyway…20 years for me this month Freebird and I been workin out BID for the last few weeks…I may not catch anythin’ this Spring when we go chashin’ ‘em in Lake of the Woods but I’m sure gunna look good doin’ it!! Peace Brother.
roger bro
Citizen Raven:
The domestic commander and I are goin’ ta Negril again this Xmas and we’re takin’ the boyfriends. My older daughter’s pard that she just bought a house with and teaches with has a shotgun in one hand, a fishin’ pole in the other and a neck as red as the Iowa sunset he grew up under. He’s football coach too and completely outta the mold ‘cuz he’s smart as I am and twice as pretty. The other boyfriend is a college senior, a pilot and the son of two NW/Delta pilots and he has been in Alaska several times and out of the Grand Banks a few times. So for the first time since we have been goin down there I’m gunna hafta organize a search and destroy mission off the outer reef. At this point it sounds too much like work but maybe we’ll get sumpthin that will make it worthwhile.
Per syvanen in a comment at TPMcafe: http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/20/war_what_war_at_least_thats_ho/
It is now estimated that there are fewer than 100 Al Qaida personnel in Afghanistan and fewer than 300 in the adjacent portions of Pakistan. Unless we are there to convert the Afghans to Judaism or Christianity, WTF are we doing there? What positive pay off is in it for the citizens of the USA, other than the joy and delight of saving souls for some god other than Allah?
Let him try it, the real deal Pat Tillman will kick his ass.
What ? Was Tillman assassinated to prevent that kind of a choice for the American people to make?
May-be the primaries will between McC and Eric the prince.
Last time I was in Negril was when Elvis died. We were eating conch chowder when it came on the radio.
Yes! of course
Citizen Raven:
Scamble your gear and grab your domestic associate and come on down between 12/26 and 1/2. We’ll getcha space in our little hideaway in the middle a the beach and you can show us how ta intimidate the salt water critters…
Whatever!
Citizen fran:
“Whatever”??!!! “Whatever”??!! What Citizen Foothills Mike said was exactly right and we are right in the middle and our corporate oligarchy put us there and now thinks they’re gunna use the endless, timeless stalemate to bleed the rest of whatever equity the people of this country have in our economy. “Whatever”??!! Get a grip on reality.
Missy wants to run for President again. No retirement seriously considered thank you very much.
Agreed. It is my belief that that threesome are making moves toward an over reach and a Patraeus political run or another coup albeit different from the civilian coup in 2000.
Take out all three losers.
Ya think?
Misguided trust in the corporate CEOs – excuse me- Generals of the military is parallel to trusting the corporate money changers.
It isn’t very much fun to be a general if you can’t fight wars. What general would transform troops into a uniformed Peace Corps? With perhaps a few exceptions, they wouldn’t have the foggiest idea how to even sing “what the world needs now.”.
Several years ago Harper’s magazine published the transcript of a symposium on the idea of an American military coup.
How many credible threats against the civilian president?
I wonder how this affects the NSC, since in effect, the Pres gave them an “F” for their supposedly independent butt kissing approval of options by McCristals/Petraeus/JSoS/Lockheed Marin and Co.
I think we need to take up a collection for the preservation of McChrystal’s precious bodily fluids.
Do I hear a second?
Congressman Stupak?
Anyone?
Drones sweet drones?
Or maybe,
reapers sweet reapers?
Ya knows it!
Hey Nordski,I’ve dragged my ass through 4 years of service
were you there?