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		<title>By: onitgoes</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/11/12/early-morning-swim-211/#comment-2014184</link>
		<dc:creator>onitgoes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re lucky to have Republican friends who are mostly sane. Most of the ones I know are either full-on teabaggers or teabagger sympathizers. Mostly, though, these are the fundies who are of the authoritarian mindset, and I observe directly what Phoenix Woman indicates is in a John Dean book: these people are incapable of caring or relating to anything, unless they directly experience it themselves and sometimes not even then (as in: they vote against their own self-interests all the time). Their churches definitely go out of their way to encourage this kind of narcissistic self-absorbed selfishness.

We have Repub neighbors whom we like a lot, and sadly, their son has some mental illness issues, which led to him being institutionalized for a time. The son is now struggling to finish college. The father snapped out a kind of nasty comment last Sunday about the House HC bill that barely passed.

My husband said to me later: the bill sucks, but you&#039;d think that they would appreciate and be in favor of something that will force Big Ins to ignore pre-existing conditions. If things stay as they are, good luck to their son ever getting any Health insurance under any circumstances.  Beats me how our neighbors can see this as &quot;bad.&quot; 

I see most Republicans, esp some of my family members, as certifiable. They simply make no sense anymore, and the level of their inarticulate rage is, well, crazy. At the end of the day, I think they are all boiling mad because they are not &quot;in charge&quot; anymore.  Plus BHO is black, ya know....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re lucky to have Republican friends who are mostly sane. Most of the ones I know are either full-on teabaggers or teabagger sympathizers. Mostly, though, these are the fundies who are of the authoritarian mindset, and I observe directly what Phoenix Woman indicates is in a John Dean book: these people are incapable of caring or relating to anything, unless they directly experience it themselves and sometimes not even then (as in: they vote against their own self-interests all the time). Their churches definitely go out of their way to encourage this kind of narcissistic self-absorbed selfishness.</p>
<p>We have Repub neighbors whom we like a lot, and sadly, their son has some mental illness issues, which led to him being institutionalized for a time. The son is now struggling to finish college. The father snapped out a kind of nasty comment last Sunday about the House HC bill that barely passed.</p>
<p>My husband said to me later: the bill sucks, but you&#8217;d think that they would appreciate and be in favor of something that will force Big Ins to ignore pre-existing conditions. If things stay as they are, good luck to their son ever getting any Health insurance under any circumstances.  Beats me how our neighbors can see this as &#8220;bad.&#8221; </p>
<p>I see most Republicans, esp some of my family members, as certifiable. They simply make no sense anymore, and the level of their inarticulate rage is, well, crazy. At the end of the day, I think they are all boiling mad because they are not &#8220;in charge&#8221; anymore.  Plus BHO is black, ya know&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Quebecois</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/11/12/early-morning-swim-211/#comment-2014172</link>
		<dc:creator>Quebecois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Morning PW,

  I can run a couple of minutes before the pain becomes overwhelming.  For a guy who&#039;s not supposed to walk, I&#039;ll say that it&#039;s a wonderful result.  Biking should be back in my life next year.  Hope you are well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morning PW,</p>
<p>  I can run a couple of minutes before the pain becomes overwhelming.  For a guy who&#8217;s not supposed to walk, I&#8217;ll say that it&#8217;s a wonderful result.  Biking should be back in my life next year.  Hope you are well.</p>
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		<title>By: kyeo</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/11/12/early-morning-swim-211/#comment-2014163</link>
		<dc:creator>kyeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t know if this is a mistake, but the second and third links go to the same article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t know if this is a mistake, but the second and third links go to the same article.</p>
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		<title>By: klynn</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/11/12/early-morning-swim-211/#comment-2014162</link>
		<dc:creator>klynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gosh, so is Dobbs going to run for President with Palin? There is a Dobbs4President 2012 website.

And as for the quickie version of the Palin book, she must be totally panicked to change her release date and went for a shorter book because of Levi&#039;s Playgirl &quot;spread&quot; and article. Or, she&#039;s trying to make more bucks off of his article by releasing her book at the same time creating the media frenzy of she said-he said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gosh, so is Dobbs going to run for President with Palin? There is a Dobbs4President 2012 website.</p>
<p>And as for the quickie version of the Palin book, she must be totally panicked to change her release date and went for a shorter book because of Levi&#8217;s Playgirl &#8220;spread&#8221; and article. Or, she&#8217;s trying to make more bucks off of his article by releasing her book at the same time creating the media frenzy of she said-he said.</p>
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		<title>By: karenjj2</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/11/12/early-morning-swim-211/#comment-2014151</link>
		<dc:creator>karenjj2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See this to confirm the extent of the corruption.

http://www.vetvoice.com/showDiary.do;jsessionid=BA5B73C2AD0E9BC7FE9738CA2B583CD0?diaryId=3397 

karen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See this to confirm the extent of the corruption.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.vetvoice.com/showDiary.do;jsessionid=BA5B73C2AD0E9BC7FE9738CA2B583CD0?diaryId=3397" rel="nofollow">http://www.vetvoice.com/showDiary.do;jsessionid=BA5B73C2AD0E9BC7FE9738CA2B583CD0?diaryId=3397</a> </p>
<p>karen</p>
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		<title>By: Bilbo</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/11/12/early-morning-swim-211/#comment-2014144</link>
		<dc:creator>Bilbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that you mention it, I do remember reading that this morning.  But, the sense I got was that Eikenberry feels that the Karzai regime is fundamentally unreliable and corrupt.  If true, it&#039;s hard to imagine that this will change them to any meaningful degree.  Surely whoever released the story realized that it would also have a significant impact in this country too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that you mention it, I do remember reading that this morning.  But, the sense I got was that Eikenberry feels that the Karzai regime is fundamentally unreliable and corrupt.  If true, it&#8217;s hard to imagine that this will change them to any meaningful degree.  Surely whoever released the story realized that it would also have a significant impact in this country too.</p>
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		<title>By: WarOnWarOff</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/11/12/early-morning-swim-211/#comment-2014141</link>
		<dc:creator>WarOnWarOff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saw a documentary on Atwater a couple of years ago.  All that toxic thinking must have killed him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saw a documentary on Atwater a couple of years ago.  All that toxic thinking must have killed him.</p>
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		<title>By: twolf1</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/11/12/early-morning-swim-211/#comment-2014140</link>
		<dc:creator>twolf1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://firedoglake.com/2009/11/12/mcchrystal-reported-“fuming”-over-eikenberrys-afghanistan-warnings/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;New post upstairs...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://firedoglake.com/2009/11/12/mcchrystal-reported-“fuming”-over-eikenberrys-afghanistan-warnings/" rel="nofollow">New post upstairs&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: RevBev</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/11/12/early-morning-swim-211/#comment-2014139</link>
		<dc:creator>RevBev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I understand the &quot;share&quot;, it was directed at Afghan. governance and corruption.  Think they&#039;re listening?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I understand the &#8220;share&#8221;, it was directed at Afghan. governance and corruption.  Think they&#8217;re listening?</p>
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		<title>By: Phoenix Woman</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/11/12/early-morning-swim-211/#comment-2014138</link>
		<dc:creator>Phoenix Woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They have no other choice.  They cannot lose their racist crazy base, the one whose racial fantasies they&#039;ve spent the last four decades encouraging.   &lt;a href=&quot;http://mediamatters.org/research/200708230009&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Per Reagan strategist Lee Atwater, way back in 1981&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;        Questioner: But the fact is, isn&#039;t it, that [President Ronald] Reagan does get to the [George] Wallace voter and to the racist side of the Wallace voter by doing away with Legal Services, by cutting down on food stamps ...&quot;


        Atwater: You start out in 1954 by saying, &quot;Ni--er, ni--er, ni--er.&quot; By 1968 you can&#039;t say &quot;ni--er&quot; -- that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states&#039; rights and all that stuff. You&#039;re getting so abstract now [that] you&#039;re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you&#039;re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I&#039;m not saying that. But I&#039;m saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me -- because obviously sitting around saying, &quot;We want to cut this,&quot; is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than &quot;Ni--er, ni--er.&quot; &lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is why the GOP was willing to cut loose the Hispanics, who less than a decade ago were touted as becoming the GOP&#039;s new base because of their social conservatism&#039;s allegedly meshing with the GOP&#039;s.  They could not keep both the Hispanics and the racist crazy base.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They have no other choice.  They cannot lose their racist crazy base, the one whose racial fantasies they&#8217;ve spent the last four decades encouraging.   <a href="http://mediamatters.org/research/200708230009" rel="nofollow">Per Reagan strategist Lee Atwater, way back in 1981</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>        Questioner: But the fact is, isn&#8217;t it, that [President Ronald] Reagan does get to the [George] Wallace voter and to the racist side of the Wallace voter by doing away with Legal Services, by cutting down on food stamps &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>        Atwater: You start out in 1954 by saying, &#8220;Ni&#8211;er, ni&#8211;er, ni&#8211;er.&#8221; By 1968 you can&#8217;t say &#8220;ni&#8211;er&#8221; &#8212; that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states&#8217; rights and all that stuff. You&#8217;re getting so abstract now [that] you&#8217;re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you&#8217;re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I&#8217;m not saying that. But I&#8217;m saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me &#8212; because obviously sitting around saying, &#8220;We want to cut this,&#8221; is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than &#8220;Ni&#8211;er, ni&#8211;er.&#8221; </p></blockquote>
<p>This is why the GOP was willing to cut loose the Hispanics, who less than a decade ago were touted as becoming the GOP&#8217;s new base because of their social conservatism&#8217;s allegedly meshing with the GOP&#8217;s.  They could not keep both the Hispanics and the racist crazy base.</p>
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