Fox earlier today had the number pegged at 30,000 – but warned that:
Officials said President Obama will not announce his decision until after he returns from his upcoming trip to Asia and stressed that no final decision has been made, even in private.
NBC – via MSNBC – has the decision still a bit unclear saying:
But White House sources tell NBC’s Savannah Guthrie the president has not made a final decision and is still considering three options.
Before reporting that:
Officials said a substantial increase in troops is all but inevitable, but the precise number is less important than the message that an expansion and refocus of U.S. commitment in Afghanistan would send.
Yet, just moments ago, National Security Advisor James Jones told Bloomberg News that:
Obama hasn’t received final options that he has requested, neither has he reviewed those alternatives with his national security team, said National Security Adviser James Jones…
“Reports that President Obama has made a decision about Afghanistan are absolutely false,” Jones said in a e-mailed statement today. “Any reports to the contrary are completely untrue and come from uninformed sources.”
So, are the reports all over the establishment media spin or solid reporting? And who’s their source? CBS only mentions “a senior officer” and “informed sources,” while Fox, for all its caveats, included lists of specific forces to be deployed. Given the earlier PR pressure from McChrystal’s camp, it’s hard not to wonder who is putting this out now.
But spin or truth, this would be a good time to let the White House know that we’re not willing to pay for more of the same.



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Flesh is burning.
What why a hurricane is headed for La, Miss, Georgia we might need more troops forget class 2 the levies holding the river back are not at what the army Corps of Engineers would suggest. Water gets to a certain level past the dikes the foundation is threatened and after Katrina without a full inspection I won’t bet those dikes will hold.
Nobody in the WH is a structural Engineer? I grew up with stories of Government cutting corners rain on the other side of the dikes when water from the river on the other side could is already flowing could undermine the support for Dikes! And if not now they will later.
Imagine every barge on the river held up crops, Iron ore etc held up and not delivered on time the late fees for late delivery or fail to deliver?
So far he’s escalated twice in his first year. How many more times will he escalate? Obama is murderous war criminal no different from Bush. McCain would probably have been marginally better since McCain opposed the use of more predators in Pakistan.
Want to know why Obama won’t prosecute Bush’s crimes? Because they are all Obama’s crimes now.
Siun your a Chicago broad our Corn, Soybeans not going to export markets the extra cost of train delivery Illinois risks ruin!
Current forecast 8 inches rain max. Current winds 65 mph. Track essentially headed for Mobile. Storm surge of 3-5 ft. It is no longer a Class 2 hurricane.
If the levees to the west (which will admittedly get heavier rainfall) can’t take 8 inches of rain and a 3-5 ft storm surge, there will be hell to pay for the Army Corps of Engineers.
Does anyone have any suggestions about how to achieve this?
We’re putting in another mega-base in Pakistan, and a nice one in Afghanistan, and increasing the number to 6 in columbia.
While they wring their hands and pretend it’s all about terrorism, in reality its gas, oil, minerals and pipelines.
Whether 20,000 or 40,000, or some other number, the result is largely the same.
Obama just signed another 680 billion defense appropriations bill.
I don’t think he’s listening.
Well guys this will cost more than healthcare. Gee! They don’t mind spending our money, sending our troops to die, and going against what most of the people want when it comes to war.
We need the troops to fix the levy’s
More attempts to box in a young uncertain president with Pentagon leaks? Nice pushback from Jim Jones, that’s for sure.
Where are these 40,000 troops coming from?
Where’s the forty billion dollars a year coming from to pay for them? If they are staying four years, that’s $160,000,000,000. It’s way past time to review these expenditures over their entire commitment, since we’re passing a “trillion dollar” health care bill.
Dude, I don’t think “broad” cuts it around here.
We need the Army Corps of Engineers but we don’t have enough private contractors with steam shovels to do it not in time for next Hurricane season we need guys with shovels now or are any of you GOP or Dem willing to wait?
No river barges the midwest economy goes to pot.
Wait there’s more
Agreed we need more than the troops to fix this Now.
Should it turn out to be true that Obama intends to escalate the war in Afghanistan by upping the troop level, that would, for me, strip away his last vestige of credibility. It would put him in the same category as the last president: the punk-ass liar war criminal category. This is a heart-breaking moment for our country.
Yep, and the opium/heroin and THEIR distribution routes!
Air America is alive and well and flying high in the sky for Milo Minderberner, Inc.
American, Iraki, and Afghan blood for more profit or put a lot of those middle class war industry engineers out of work. Gee, lemme think…
Dear Mr. President,
Imagine how different things would be today if democrats controlled the White House & both the house and senate?
And by the way — Happy Birthday, Pat Tillman – again.
Too salty, ya think, sailor?
*G*
I’m certain a massive new infusion of troops and capital into the Afgan theatre will finally buy Obama the acceptance by the right-wing that he so clearly craves… /s
A few days ago Seattle felt Storms lightning it was wrong very wrong something is up? Imagine Global warming as a guitar string first pluck before the string goes out of tune every strum after that is out of tune. Thunder and Lightening 4 or five times almost before I can count Thunder for Seattle off the Sound
We can’t ignore the storm.
Chevy Volt Now cars Cash for Clunkers
From the link
Italics mine
. . . acceptance by the
rightcorporate-wing that he so clearly craves… end snarkGood point, hoss! *G*
Exactly.
Yeah, like I should trust this motherfucker.
So it’s a funding battle to the death between … death panels and death squads.
Maybe we have misunderstood the teabaggers. When they compare Obama to Hitler perhaps they mean it as a compliment…
Strangely a better Diary is missing?
referring to?
And my manners . . . . Siun, thanks for the updates on all of this.
The depth and breadth of the obfuscation of details is insane.
Is our president getting punked by MacCrystal?
Is the military holding our government hostage?
Is our president REALLY as bad as Bush, and culpable for all the crimes Shooter N Junior started?
How we can waste more and more money on bank/fin bailouts and on useless warmongering is beyond me.
But then, it was all beyond me for Vietnam, too. How could we have done that?
Sigh. Plus ca change . . . yadda yadda yadda, I guess.
Thanks again for the info.
Confusing as hell to sort out, so SOMEONE is certainly getting punked, likely we the people.
Wonder if we’ll move School of Americas to Bogota and train a whole new generation of death squads. Hopey-changey, my ass.
LOL McChrystal sorry
I have a standard I like to impose, perhaps it will help to clarify it all.
If accusers don’t compare someone to John Wayne or Ronnie Raygun, it’s an insult.
No question.
Sorry, SD – We’ve already exported too many professional jobs abroad. The economy can’t take any more corporate relocations.
Ahh, McChrystal — a staff officer responsible for so many leaks & cover ups, he isn’t allowed aboard any U.S. flag ships for fear of sinking them.
Forget the Hispanic vote every non Cuban hates them and all those El Salvador immigrants have been telling the rest of us Frak Spanish media I had God’s knows how many of them at my local McDonalds telling me shit.
Seems like I saw an episode of Frontline or something similar a few years back which said the Salvadoran generals who ordered the murder of those nuns (in ’79?) were retired and living in Florida. Any of your neighbors like to be called Generalissimo?
I’d rather get punked like this.
Or This, Love Me Some Pogues!
Hope it ain’t too early to go o/t w/ a lil music?
Just feelin a lil punked, ya know . . . feel better already . . . honest. ;-)
I was serious. With our presence on something like 6 Columbian bases I wouldn’t be a bit surprised. It would effectively remove SoA from public view. The protests at Ft Benning (on edit – not Gordon, fenderhead) would disappear, the cost to tranport Central American personnel to and from would go down for those fledgling dictatorships, a lot of pluses for the Army/CIA etc and the Columbians.
And to be fair to the Cubans the younger ones are hearing the same shit too.
Good lord, are you speaking Spanglish, or Esperanto?
I can’t understand a thing yer sayin hoss.
Not a word. Nor a point.
Yer losin the audience, throw us a bone, man.
Shoot us a clue! I really wanna understand!
Not any that are still alive.
Most of them live around Miami, in and around Dade County. Along with Corales.
Nothing says freedom quite like no extradition treaty.
I guess edit didn’t work for me.
That should read Ft Benning, not Ft Gordon. I’m a sailor, what can I say. They all look alike to me.
watertiger is upstairs!
Late Night: The Teabag Party Makes it Official, But Still Needs a Mascot
The Obama administration is putting out the 40,000 number to judge the mood of the country before making a final decision. Politics as usual. Complain LOUDLY about the troop build-up and it might not happen.
Who do the El Salvadorans hate? Or the cubans?
Be careful of those trial balloons, LKN2.
That’s Texas’ new state motto since W relocated to Dallas, “Remember the Hindenburg!”
I read somewhere that they’re out of bodies to throw into the meat grinder. They want them to have at least a year off because the personal toll on the surviving troops is too great. I think I remember something like only 11,000 is all that can be sent at this point. The mercenary business is booming.
Heroin accounts for most of the GDP of Afghanistan – right through Karzai’s No. 2.
Profits made from extracting their resources will not go to any of the
little peopleTaliban.When is the change going to start? Some of the hope was pretty audacious but where’s the change?
With all this change, you should head to the vending machine.
I have to say the Mac Crystal spelling is rather charming … and I share your Pogues appreciation!
Sorry to miss comments – ran out to get some dinner and ran into a waiter who forgot to put our order in for … about an hour … argh