A Tea Party in Florida? I’m buyin’ more ammo.

don’t forget your “Don’t Tread on Me” flag.

Naw, last thing I wanna do is tell ‘em where I am.

Watertiger!

I really do not know whether to laugh or cry at this turn of events. These people are both ludicrous beyond believe and potentially just as dangerous.

SD – We have plenty of room up here in Montana and the grizzlies and mountain lions are better company and more cuddly than the teabaggers.

Mascot? A teabag of pig poo, aged pig poo.

Rancid, aged pig poo.

Laugh at their idiocy, mock their ridiculous public displays of violent piety, ponder their shrinking numbers.

But they ‘toxified’ the already-tattered shreds of health care reform legislation, murderous members of their clan continue to roam free (bringing guns to Presidential appearances, shooting abortion providers, crowing from behind prison bars), and literally scaring the nation to death.

For a bunch of dismissible, dangerous lunatics, they are doing pretty well. It doesn’t much matter if they win because Democrats, Progressives, Libertarians step aside and let them rumble by, or if their ‘friends-in-high-places’ carve out wide, unobstructed paths for them to tread.

It matters not how long it takes them to eventually erode, say, Roe, nor does it matter how few they are in number, nor how crazy they look accomplishing it.

How many pieces of federal legislation have passed since 1992 that advanced a woman’s right to decide her own reproductive destiny? I cannot think of one.
How many times have anti-choice forces chipped away at Roe, or successfully passed state-wide or local laws that curtail a woman’s self-determination? Dozens, possibly hundreds.

Who ever imagined a piece of legislation – inserted into a health care bill by a Democrat – would read like something off of the desk of Rick Santorum? Well, the crazies did.

Yeah, it’s hard to know whether to be really afraid of this development. I mean, on the one hand, the new TPP is comprised completely of insane people. On the other hand…

It reminds me of the old movie, “King of Hearts”.

Thanks, but no thanks. Wouldn’t mind cuddlin’ with the critters but it snows up there. Deep snow. Had to drive through it once in my little green VW. Good thing the heaters worked. Pays to take care of one’s car.

How do we marginalize the nuttery? How do we prove to our legislators that kow-towing to this kind of crazy is not in the country’s best interest?

To paraphrase DeGaulle:

A Nation which produces 300 types of Tea is ungovernable.

We got yer Kenyan Tea
We got yer Islamofascist Tea
We got yer Socialist Tea
We got yer Death Panel Tea
….

I do believe we’re getting there!

If the Tea Party Party has a fundraiser gala, would it be called the Tea Party Party Party ?

Especially when they reside in the Democratic Party ranks, and are embraced by those we MOST need influence over.

First, we institute human sacrifice.

If the pig poo is not available then dogshit can be substituted.

News flash from the World of Science.

Allow them free rein.

It’s our only hope.

And if they serve chili, does it become the Tea Party Party Farty Hearty Party?

Actually not too bad here west of the Divide in the Missoula Valley, but you do want to stay out of eastern Montana in the winter. The pass leading into the valley and town from the east is Hellgate Canyon and we know which side hell is located on. 8-)

don’t even get me started on the legal documents.

“The Tea Party Party, party of the first part…”

Primaries.

Ignore them, just like you do a three-year-old throwing a tantrum.

One problem of having tea party as your name the initials, of course, are tp which is something you wipe your butt with.

We did. Their names are Stupak, Dahlkemper, Kaptur – Democrats all.

I think those guys are more into ball gags than free rein.

The way you handle all bullies. Get on the streets and stand up. The truth is there are a lot more of us than them. The legislators are so gutless, they need an example of courage.

We can do it now or we can watch the country perish. Our choice, as always.

i really hope that guy Cao gets reelected, despite the crazies.

I know. Are you really worried about their amendment getting through all the way to a new law?

Thanks to our fav bloggers and K&R, the publik gets to know the problems with it.

Has WT discovered a sacred Cao?

Maybe his being excoriated and/or ostracized by the Repugs will cause him to see the light and leave the party.

Senators Bad-Nelson and Landreau are already demanding that exact language in the revised Senate version.

Edit: And as we know, ObamaCo wants their win.

Dick Armey and the Teabaggers seem made for each other. Probably only a matter of time before the REALLY conservative folks start a Fisters Party. Let the good times roll.

Just some quick thoughts and since I’m in Florida…

There are 31 political parties registered with the state of Florida, including the Tea Party and the Florida Whig Party. I tried to copy the list from the drop down box at the Supervisor of Elections site (its on the register to vote form and ya have to scroll down) but to no avail. How many registered voters would transfer from either major party to the Tea Party?

How beholding would either major party be to any of these 3rd parties? Do the Dems target the socialist party members for money?

The Tea Party Party bears close watching but I’m not seeing an immediate effect.

Off to climb in my tree.

Namaste

No.
You.
Diiin’t.

Primary these dirtbags. And don’t even get me started on Smokin’ Holy Joe.

I respect that he voted for his district. Gee! And made no apologies, I believe.

In a flaming paper bag.

They can keep him, we don’t need any more Conserva-Dems.

I strongly suspect something very like that will in fact go through the Senate. There a number of forced birthers among the Blue Dogs and all of the Dems are more afraid of the Christofascist zealots than they are us. This latter is something we have to change very soon.

Good point. I had a momentary spell, but it’s starting to pass…

okay, you fine assortment of delectable bonbons, i need to get up early tomorrow.

don’t take any candy from people who can’t spell.

i have no idea what that means.

Oh, yes, I did. And no power in the universe was able to stop me.

Nighters WT.

If they are late is it the Tarty Tea Party Party Farty Hearty Party?

Niters. I suspect that the Tea Party Party are no threat to anyone but themselves and possibly the Republicans, but if these asshats take over the Republican Party it really could be dangerous for the country.

Have a good snoozer…

nite wt

Only if they bring a tart.

That’s how I see things. See Krugman today?

agree. If we don’t we will never know if we should have. If we do we may go to jail. Which is worse?

Exactly. A big part of our problem now is creeping infiltration by folks who would have been moderate Republicans before the species went extinct in the 80s (including the Clintons and apparently Obama).

Night.

ah, the daily FDL Two-Minute Hate.

so refreshing, after the dirty feeling when the House Democrats pass an abysmal corporate-welfare, health insurance reform bill along to be further sullied by their colleagues in the Senate.

yeah, point and jeer, but the whack-jobs on the Right have put in place a structure to channel mass, populist outrage – outrage that is sure to expand as the multiple crises in this country continue to worsen.

the (D) captured Left cannot credibly express populist outrage, because their captain is now on the bridge, uttering soothing lies while continuing Bush’s costly, failed wars and funneling trillions of dollars to his biggest backers on Wall Street.

The crazies in Louisiana are anyone who doesn’t take the government’s utter disregard for anything important to them personally. Does anyone remember that? Citizens’ lives being destroyed has turned into a thug industry. FEMA is nothing but a political arm of corrupt government and Blackwater has replaced the reserves, who are now, to their surprise, infantry for immoral and unnecessary wars meant to make the rich richer and thin the herd of the poor. I’d mention the middle class, but there isn’t one.

Yeah. Very sobering to think about. They really do not have the numbers to actually take control of the country, but they are large enough to seriously gum up the works, especially with the royal fuck ups we have in charge of the Democratic Party in Washington.

Have ya been to jail for justice?

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If they are smart they will bring them in a cart.

B.Y.O.B[ag]

Watertiger !

Not yet. But with my mouth and excess of spirit it may well happen.

and I like that song.

You do realize that Missoula is stuck between hell and the Alabama side of the Cascades. Don’t you?

More importantly, will there be uniforms and armbands?

10/6 headbands

Amen, Mac Mah Brotha !

Doc, do you think the Stupak from the House is a bargaining chip for Senate Blue and House Blue Dogs to enable the watering down of the House HCR Bill? Once the watering down is done, Stupak goes away, etc.

Or do you really fear Stupak is stand alone and NOT a plot by corp interests/WH/ObamaDems, etc?

Yes, but we are protected by the largest population of grizzlies in the lower 48, as well as an abundance of mountain lions and wolves, not to mention the moose. You really got to watch out for the moose. And the big horn sheep in the road. Fuckers have no fear at all outside of hunting season.

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hey petro
Tonight’s cover-charge – if you have universal health care, you have to do hand-stands as you pass through the portal, and you have to buy the house a round of Kamikaze’s and Heinekens.

I think Stupak is the jujitsu poison pill. It is intended to kill health care reform, but if it passes, it still advances the conservative agenda. Make no mistake, Stupak is a C Street Christofascist conservative, even if he has a “D” after his name.

I’m with you.

On Countdown this evening, KO reported that Ben Nelson and Mary Landreau have said that they demand Stupak-language in any bill that comes to a vote.

How about Yaeger Bombs and Stella, instead ? *g*

You’re in Rome now.

ROFL !!!

Took ‘em awhile but I think the corp tools have found the magic bullet that will kill HCR for this go-round.

Time for me to toddle off. Take care all.

I don’t understand why these gyno-Americans are so upset their health care choices were limited on Saturday. It’s not like we men took away their right to vote or anything.

Although — there’s a thought….

Nite Doc.

Besides the public(/s), only one person is badly served if HC does not pass – The President.
He will do what he does – get a bill, any bill, at all costs, and he will sign what they send him.

1) As you and everyone at FDL know, CA is screwed up because of the legislature’s 2/3 vote issue.
2) There are 23% whackaloons out there, and they won’t be able to grow their numbers because of job loss.
3) Prog/lib displeasure with Obama and the Dem Party does not necessarily translate to loss of indies and enough voters to bring a quite destroyed GOP back to rule.

Krugman makes a lot of mixed up entangled alliances in his posits, to tie his fear together and share that fear with us all.

Weakest piece he’s ever written, and shows NO knowledge of CA politics or CA reality, aside from the doom and gloom.

His extraction of CA’s problem to a possible national equivalency as a result of Tea Baggers is preposterous.

Course, that’s just my opinion, and I am NOT a Doctor.

*G*

I am a CAian. Since ’63.

They’ll be so peeved that they prolly won’t vote …

As long as we’re reforming health care, we might as well throw the NRA a bone and include a nationwide right to carry amendment.

Ben Nelson and Mary Landreau-neither have any chance of ever getting pregnant.

There are millions of us. We need a guy like Trumka to spearhead the drive. This is completely doable, but the window is about three years. And we all better have twitter accounts-that was the lesson of Iran.

I like Missoula really well. Maybe move there some day.

Met a young woman in Central OR biking solo from Missoula to Eugene OR then on to Northern CA. Nothing that remarkable except that it was in October and snow had already fallen on the passes in the Ochocos, not to mention the Cascades.

Never did find out if she made it but didn’t hear of any search and rescue missions along the path.

I rather admired her, even as I thought it was somewhat of a misjudgment to travel that way so late.

“T]he takeover of the Republican Party by the irrational right is no laughing matter. Something unprecedented is happening here — and it’s very bad for America.”

What’s worse for America is the democratic party masquerading as progressive.

Concealed carry? Kool.

I dunno, their reelection is undoubtedly contingent on servicing the scaly peter of Beelzebub.

I want Mexican Kami’s!

3-2-1 of Hornito’s, Cointreu and Rose’s Lime Juice.

Shaken, strained into chilled Martoooni Glass!

Consume, rinse, repeat!

*G*

I can’t drink tequila any more.

Do we really want another semi-moderate Republican in our party? I think the tent is about to shred from the stretching.

Yeah, Stupak don’t fool me . . . I just thought this whole abortion amendment was a bought for and paid by Corps, Bishops, and made up and led by RhamObama to be USED as a chip to water down HRC for the final bill.

I see NO way women, progs, libs, gays don’t go thru the roof and to the streets and polls if Obama dares to sign ANYthing that’s anti choice, on top of watered down HCR.

I’d expect a major fuckin riot of sorts.

A peaceful one, but with pitchforks and torches at hand.

I perceive Stupak Shit to be the line in the sand Obama can’t possibly cross unless he thinks he can survice a Dem slaughter in ’10, and his own in ’12, at the polls.

Me neither. Damn shame because it sharpened my senses and made me a better driver…

Why do you shake your drinks and not stir them?

Me neither … I pour it over my Corn Flakes … *g*

Right on the money. Sacramento to Davis was never smoother. Every night for a number of years.

Once, a long time ago, I went to a party in Sonoma at a winery. There was a cajun band from Oregon (?). We went to my friend’s house after the party with the band. My friend was writing a book about tequila. Lord. I cannot tell you how sick I was the next day.
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bleeck.

Hilarious!

Heading out. Sweet dreams to all.

A Tea Party Party Party Party……

i.e. A Tea Party!

[! = "bang" in mathematics lingo]

Sure, to be expected.
So what?

Reid has two bills, undefined and un reconciled, as of yet.

What’s he stalling for?

And then, the two chambers have to merge in committee, and unveil something BOTH chambers can pass!

Do you REALLY think either Chamber is capable of passing anti abortion legislation, and that Obama would sign it?

The revolt would be swift, and furious.

And we progs best be sending that message to all, in a hurry, in case ANY of them are thinking they can get BOTH watered down HCR, AND a slaughter of women’s rights rolled up into it.

Sheer lunacy. Pure political folly, and political death at the polls.

A rallying cry that good would be a killer of the Dem Party.

Will that be enough to send the GOP back to a majority?
I don’t know. Not sure I’d care of Obama signs anything with anti choice provisions.

He can’t be that stupid.

Too much p and not enough arty.

Christine !

Just doing my part to keep everyone smilin’ …

Geebuz, you kids. Frat crap, that’s what that is!!!

*G*

Show me you can handle 12 Daniels N Anchor Steam boilermakers, and I might respect you in the morning!

*G*

Orwell´s Animal Farm got traction with wide readerships six decades ago because of the absurdities and atrocities in Stalin´s Soviet Union. The Tea people have yet to show us how they might govern, but that shouldn´t stop satirists from mining this rich vein of stupidity and venality prontito. A sitcom (Tealand?) about scared, angry and kooky people and the people that exploit that fear, anger and kookiness might have legs. Even better, it has dual-audience potential. Gogol´s short story Old World Landowners, for example, was reworked into the parody Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman, which ran on for two seasons in the late 1970s — in a late afternoon slot in the Midwest and late evening on the East and West coasts. Non-teabaggers could enjoy the program as tongue and cheek, while teabaggers could take it as straight commentary on their tribulations.

G’nite Dood !

Vacation in Canada introduced us to vodka martinis. One martini and one Campobello sunset = bliss.

He can’t be that stupid.

I cannot tell you how much I wish I agreed with this statement.

nite ratfood

First they came for the gynos, and we were safe.

Back in the day maybe, now I know what that does to your body/energy/soul …

pres obama is sealing his fate to be a 1 term president IF he makes it out alive… jus saying…

somewhere along the way he lost his backbone….

*G*

The snark runs deep in you tonite, ma deah.

Use it voraciously!

I get yours, then.

Simple answers to simple problems.

*G*

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Good lord, cuz it’s kewl looking, and James Bond wants it that way!!

And besides, ya don’t bruise the likker!

Dang, tough crowd tonite. . . Ratfood, I get yers too?

Man I might wake up slow tomorrow at this rate . . .

lol

you mean Wednesday…

Petro, I’m taking it that this our way of sending a message to DC. Am I right?

*G*

Hey, we gained an extra day recently, I’m kewl!

LOL

back atcha Petro!!! and kisses ;o)

The “not voting” promise or the Yeager Bombs ? *g*

Are you coming up any time before Christmas ?

‘A message from the Government of Canada.’

;>)

Your latest slight of HoJo is magnificent !

I cannot see how the thugs would want to lose abortion as a get-out-the -vote issue. The master thugs probably hate Stupak and Smith as much as we do.

Unless they know it won’t happen, but it will damage dems.

On the other hand, I have a friend who can drink tequila, but corn alcohol makes her sicker than … I’d say a dog, but she has cats, and a sick cat is a very unhappy critter.

coming up thanksgiving sunday thru tuesday.. same hotel ;o)

I wonder if construction is completed around that Thai Restaurant … *g*

They don’t need to.
It will take generations for a complete abolition (Roe), and ultimately their goal is to seize control of women’s bodies. In the mean time, they can so-restrict access – insurance, de-fund clinics and PP and other women’s health organizations, that they can without winning.

Edit: Oh, I forgot one – murder women’s health care providers.

Hah! It was a very long week, wasn’t it?

the dems have been scared shitless by the teabaggers imo… where’s our answer to them? other than rep grayson and weiner who stands up to them??

hehehehehe! i figure you’d know but i forgot about that construction………

Whether it goes into the final Bill or not will depend of the citizenry … this is the time to step up and define what country America should be.

… care for a wee drum dram o’ Highland Park ?

listening to rep maxine waters now… says bluedogs have too much power and progressives have wimped out… my sentiments exactly!

Thanks, P.

Joe’s need for attention merits a meager consequence.

;>)

“Jagermeister, Jagermeister, Jagermeister, All Night Long.”

Forget what song that’s from, maybe some Todd Snyder thing . . *G*

The baggers are a vacuous lot. They don’t need push back. We just need to watch while they fuck themselves.

And when young women die in the process and orphanages are overflowing with starving children, what is the PR campaign? “just say no” was, um, not effective.

I would LOVE some Highland Park! It makes me debate with a smile. *s*

Anyone in need of a laugh, please click to see DB’s rendition of HoJo

not so sure about that.. once a mob is stirred up it becomes a tidal wave… but lets hope you’re correct ;o)..

The thugs by now are aware that abortion as a get out the vote issue only will work on their 23% base!

Their base is going to KILL them no matter what the Dem’s do, and Obama is counting on that.

But GIVING IN to anti choice will kill Obama, he knows this.

And so, Obama is gonna kill HCR, appease the corporate feudalists and mildly screw what’s still a fairly stupid electorate, regarding full understanding or DESIRE for more understanding, of how HCR might or not work.

He can still fool much of the electorate on HCR, no matter what we progs do in the blogs.

But he can’t fool the nation and the majority of women and men and gays who support women’s rights to choose.

Yes, I’m a broken record, a 45 of 1:57, over and over again . . *G*

Exactly what it is now.
Attack the victims as sluts and their parents as contributing, hold up pictures of fetuses, and open their wallets to the dollars which are tied to the issue.

You are talking about people who even now, claim Terry Schiavo was a fight worth fighting.

That is how I maintain my equilibrium … *g*

Honey, we are the mob. We are waiting for the perfect time to activate.

Sigh, all kidding aside, they all are anymore . . .
But we hope on.

Exactly … they are linked to Beck & RushBo, which means that eventually the Repug leadership will have to smack Glenn & his surrogate Dad.

Or is it the Tea Party²?

I think anything that involves advanced mathematical calculations [like "squaring" a "party"] is beyond their pay grade [and brain power].

Yes. Dem’s have not wimped out on teabaggers, or 23%.

Dems, the elected one’s, are caved to corporate feudalists who own them, AND the GOP.

Gotta keep the real issues up front and not get blinded by sidebar issues the MSM tries to sell us.

The teabaggers are not to fear, it’s the elected offals and the MSM are the one’s doing all the damage to we the people and our constitution.

How many times have anti-choice forces chipped away at Roe, or successfully passed state-wide or local laws that curtail a woman’s self-determination?

And don’t forget that the Supreme Court, which used to be one of our bastions against lunacy [along with a vigorous press], now has SIX Catholics sitting on it.

The Court has already participates in curtailing women’s rights. Their “work,” I fear, is not over.

Mary, sometimes I just wanna hug and bless ya gal.

Same to Ron, in that platonic way, ya know . . . *G*

Spot on, Mary. Well put. EXACTLY what I believe, also.

The pounce, is gonna fast and furious, upon their catnip butts, as we slash and claw and chew them to pieces, if they fuck with women’s rights beyond this kabuki to waterdown HCR.

In all that feline metaphor stuff, that is.

*G*

aaah.

Joe would like to thank all those little people in the dark.

;>)

but the thugs are always the ones who get caught being hypocrites. Just like the Schiavo fiasco ruined Frist and Pick-your-thug in South Carolina. Haley Barbour’s 12-year-old god-daughter in Hattiesburg will get in trouble, have god-daddy handle it quietly, and then her bestfriend will produce a tweet about the whole “affair.”

Moths to a flame.

I kind of lean that way myself.

The Supreme’s are corporate bent, bought and paid for, as our elected offals, as all appointed offals are by our elected offals.

We got a big mountain to climb to fix this crap, for sure.

Great point, and good to CYA, MauiMom!

O.M.F.G. … you gave Don Corleone’s chin to McCain !

If hypocrisy mattered, we would not be where we are today.
Vitter, Ensign, Gingrich, Craig and the rest of the lunks have cost them nothing in terms of public policy.

They should just rattle their jewelry!

“Moths to a Flame” – Perfect analysis and deserving of a Double H.P. on the Rocks …

but one blow job…….. (as Marcy would say)

Let ‘em burn!

Nah, I gave that to Rush. Oh, damn, Joe wants to do another number…

;>)

You know it’s not the Republicans alone screwing California. it’s just the same there as in congress. The talk of the need for a super majority to overcome the minority veto is pure bullshit. You can alter California’s entire constitution with 50% +1 so what’s stopping the Democrats?

Hell while they are it reversing that stupid 2/3rds tax thing they could pass a constitutional amendment saying “Republicans no longer have a right to vote in California“.

I’d just love to see the Californian Republicans try and argue with a “straight” face that it’s wrong to use their state constitution to strip basic rights from a minority group.

That’s such bullshit, they ALL have had blow jobs thruout history.

To single out Clinton . . . harumph.

What’s gonna happen when we elect a woman?

Hmmm . . . . .

Spew !!!

It did cost them votes though, newt. Even some of the hard-asses didn’t show up a year ago. And the real voters that decide things, the indies, ran away from them.

If Dems had any balls at all, the thugs would be completely done as a party. It’s not too late, but it’s late.

…or the bones in their closets.

;>)

Thank you, kind sir!

And yet votes have not translated into federal judgeships, or the head of the OLC, or women’s health care rights, or stripping the HC industry from its position to leach the very life out of the country, or the banksters from robbing the treasury.
As I said earlier, IMHO, it does not matter how few of them there are in the Republican Party, as long as a few are now Democrats. And in this case, it is more than a few. They simply own the levers of public policy as if Mitch McConnell was still the Majority Leader, and Hastert was the Speaker.

Hey, there were only FOUR guys in Da Beatles at Royal Albert Hall that night!

I clicked on the first one, however will I get to sleep now?
You have to sell Dr. Darkblack’s Genuine Brain Cleaner.

The dems are equally bought and paid for as the Pubs, and THAT’S our problem, not a few interlopers of ConsevaDem Striping.

That song’s just the only one bought and paid for by the MSM, who spins over and over.

OUR problem is ALL the elected dem offals.

OUR problem is the up to now invincible corporate feudalists.

Not the ConservaDem’s, or even Bluegoggies.

Our problem is bought and paid for politics, top to bottom, in your town, city, district, county, state and nation.

But hey, you know that, I’m preachin to choir.

My bad.

*bows*

I almost lost a Lung with this one …

You’re a genius, DB !

Point taken – more that more than a few.
If we had any chance of holding, it seems to me it was with Progressive House Dems. Rahm peeled them off (I suppose) as some predicted, and that was that.

Well, I can’t argue there. The refusal of Obama to fill positions in his administration after 11 months buttresses your point. It certainly seems there is only one party, really.

All the more reason to get out in the streets and have the people reclaim their country and democracy. That ain’t what we got now.

I do not strictly agree with Larue that there is only one party – rather, I think a legacy of weakness has led to a generation of weakness in the face of electoral threat, and the Democrats DO NOT KNOW how to fight, so they stand down.

Oh, it’s the Flab Faux you want, eh?

;>)

Suzanne and ES have the concession in that matter, Margot – I merely provide foot traffic.

;>)

I think most dems don’t have the stomach for it. DC is fantasyland for the congress. 95% are completely disconnected from their constituencies. If they ever were idealistic about true patriotism, that has dissoved in the stale haze of insider corruption.

The Bushles … ROFLMFAO !!!

I can understand – if I were a critter and wanted or needed to leave, or ‘involuntarily’ gave up my seat, I might want to stay a while and lobby.

But that was not always the way it worked. Inclusion of corporate interests changed the game, and it changes still. I do not know when it happened, but I could be persuaded that either party could have been in power when the thing started to tilt that way.

Oh wait, maybe it was the other mopsters LaRue was thinking of…

;>)

I firmly believe at some point they were all threatened with loss of DNC and DLCC funding and support, not to mention shunned and dunned by the White House.

Burnt, and stabbed, rendered unable to fight unless they gave their lives.

Which they didn’t, which leads me to . . . oh, hell.

Only Grayson got to run off at the mouth, and he’s mostly theatre, too.

Sigh.

I think the PR companies of the 60′s became the lobbyists of the 70′s and were elevated to Wall Street and Madison Avenue combining to actually dictate the rules to the politicians in the 80′s. Read that as Reagan and his masters.

It’s not about fighting, it’s about being bought off!!!!

Has NOTHING to do with fighting!!!

They are bought off!!!!!!

Gahhhhhhh!!! Simple!

Don’t MAKE me use all caps . . . lol

Here’s a great read from yesterday, Sure, It’s HuffPo, But It’s A Reputable Doctor! Read her recommendations!

Rule #1.

Don’t feed the monster.

Rule #2, see Rule #1.

Sigh, I’m sorry I mentioned it . . .

*G*

I am firmly in Grayson’s corner. Theatre or no, he is shaming people who have it coming, and his hammer is mighty big.
I forgive him for his dodgy stance on what constitutes ‘real health care reform,’ and I don’t much care about who thinks he is a sell-out for it.

Really, he could hold a Pro-Life stance on conscience, and I would forgive him for it, based on his willingness to try and take down some of the most odious creatures who have ever swam in the DC cesspool. His lack of apology for his words is more than refreshing to me.

Bought off with… campaign contributions and support. They fear, above all else, not having enough money to survive electorally.

Newt Gingrich and Bill Clinton perhaps aside, they are not in it for the great head – that is just one of the perks.

Greed became a religion in the 80′s. Between the resurrection from the dead of Ayn Rand and Friedman at the Chicago School, ALL of the spin was that greed is good. Gordon Gecko became a hero of the 80′s. That paved the way for hero worship of scum like Murdoch, who was not only paying for it, but distributing it.

Timing sounds right I guess.
But greed doesn’t seem to be the driver here, and I am willing to be convinced otherwise.

When corporate money became speech, the game was up. To compete, a Congressman needs to raise x dollars every week to stay on TV, to fund direct mail and radio, etc. to compete against some other guy who has x support from some pharma corp or construction fund or whatever.

The driving factor isn’t what they put in their pockets until after they are done; while in office, it’s about staying in office…

IMHO.

but that’s the scam, to me. Madison Avenue and Wall Street found a way to get all the money and have the commoners pay for it. It would very easy draft legislation drastically limiting political funding. The same companies come up with a multi-million $ campaign arguing there’s not only nothing wrong petitioning (lobbying) but it would be unconstitutional to do away with it.

The firms being hired at exhorbitant prices by Obama were paid by us.

If it goes to court now, the good guys lose. If not at the appellate level, then with the radical rite Supremes.

The result is more money in the game which is divided among lobbyists the way bailouts are handed out to banksters. That’s today’s Amerika. AIG-All In (the) Game.

I’m not arguing that the Supremes were right to come down on the sides of corporations – money equals speech – I am arguing that once elected, staying elected is primary, and to not compete for those dollars ‘feels’ like losing.

If the Dems were all Graysons, and every one of them took on their opposition with that ferocity, and were unafraid to compete, we would not be here. The country IS where thoughtful Dems are – against the Iraq occupation, against paying for Iraq and Afghanistan by borrowing, pro-choice, thought Bush and Cheney were war-mongers, fools and assholes, not opposed to stimulating the economy as long as they, you know, actually stimulated the economy, etc. That case was made and won in 2006.

Yes, money counts, but showing that you have a pair is the biggest confidence-builder a constituiency can receive.

and the exorbitant fees paid to these huge firms by Obama were actually paid for by our contributions. The goal was to privatize everything, rob and loot Americans, and retire to tax-free paradise.

I agree with all of that, certainly. I’m just trying to give some of my reasoning rather than just say the now obligatory, “the one thing that MUST happen is campaign reform. Without that, change will not happen.”

But that may be the most true statement in American politics.

I personally think it is a 14th Amendment argument, but I seem to be in the minority. Without the dollars, it is a real playing field, and the corporate personhood argument flies in the face of equal protection.

Regarding Grayson, I’m so starved for a Democrat with a pair to emerge that one of the first things I do each day is google him, hoping he kicked more thug ass that day.I shouldn’t have to do that with him or Weiner or Feingold or Kucinich or Dean or Maddow or Olbermann. But the fact I can name the entire list in one line is proof of how corrupt our entire system is.

That’s for dam sure. What do the FDL lawyers on board say re the 14th?

I was MIA a couple of days last week, but I happened over to HuffPo and found a piece about him – he was doing his floor thing, and he rattled off the states alphabetically, and district by district, he listed the number of dead-to-come from lack of health care (based on the Harvard study and some other data) in each district represented by a Republican.

It took several youtubes to complete, although I didn’t watch all of it. But it was shocking, the ultimate in-your-face, and it had to be among the least comfortable days in the House ever, for certain members of Congress.

I have pitched the proposition a few times, and had no reply.

I predicted in 2007 that there were only two paths for conservatism in the US: Reason or fascism. I’m so sad to see that I was right.

Anyway, let’s consider the same question applied to the Democratic party: The Ds just completely betrayed themselves over a corporate agenda for the future of American health care. But because the Blue Dogs don’t go around threatening people (well, except for those who will die due to lack of health care) they don’t seem nearly as interesting as the teabaggers. Not nearly as much fun to talk about.

So why is the big story not that the Democrats just sold out America?

Was that great, or what? I read it, but didn’t see it. That’s what we’re talking about.

Noticed you weren’t around LLN. Taking a break?

Part One from the Grayson Channel

I had a computer issue that took several days to resolve, followed by a computer calamity that took several more.
All better now.

Wow, what a strong lead-in to the dead. Had everyone else gone home- at least on the rite?

Nope. They tried several parliamentary maneuvers to shut him down and did delay him for a spell by asking that his words “be taken down”, but Grayson eventually got the presentation completed.

pin drop silence. Like a scene from Capra but in real life. I wonder if there was even a trace of remorse in that chamber.

well, I’m losing it. good talking with you.

You know, we should write something-a script or a play or something. It would be good, I think.

g’nite Newt.

i am out too
nite emerson
nite pups

Eric Cartman…respect mah authoritah, but all we got is a kid riding a big wheel.