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	<title>Comments on: Even Joe Scarborough Knows It’s Wrong</title>
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		<title>By: Mason</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/11/08/even-joe-scarborough-knows-it%e2%80%99s-wrong/#comment-2012609</link>
		<dc:creator>Mason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with your statement.

There is no excuse and certainly no honor, decency, or humanity to be found by turning mass murder into a video game.

I am haunted by this grieving Afghan father&#039;s remark, &quot;I took a piece of flesh with me home and I called it my son.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your statement.</p>
<p>There is no excuse and certainly no honor, decency, or humanity to be found by turning mass murder into a video game.</p>
<p>I am haunted by this grieving Afghan father&#8217;s remark, &#8220;I took a piece of flesh with me home and I called it my son.”</p>
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		<title>By: jeaton</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeaton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Predator drone strikes or suicide bombing: I see no moral difference.  The enemy is us!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Predator drone strikes or suicide bombing: I see no moral difference.  The enemy is us!</p>
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		<title>By: Mohammed Ibn Laith</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/11/08/even-joe-scarborough-knows-it%e2%80%99s-wrong/#comment-2012552</link>
		<dc:creator>Mohammed Ibn Laith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking as an Iraki who daily sees, hears, and smells the results of American viciousness I can see no difference &lt;i&gt;none&lt;/i&gt; between the war mongering pigs called &quot;Republicans&quot; and the war mongering pigs called &quot;Democrats&quot;. There is only one political party in America and that is the War Party. Your &quot;Democratic Party&quot;  President Obama continues the hateful and hate filled policies of his &quot;Republican Party&quot; predecessor because they are his policies also. As one of the people against whom you Americans are waging war I do not distinguish between whichever pack of war criminals you have voted to represent you because there is nothing to distinguish between them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking as an Iraki who daily sees, hears, and smells the results of American viciousness I can see no difference <i>none</i> between the war mongering pigs called &#8220;Republicans&#8221; and the war mongering pigs called &#8220;Democrats&#8221;. There is only one political party in America and that is the War Party. Your &#8220;Democratic Party&#8221;  President Obama continues the hateful and hate filled policies of his &#8220;Republican Party&#8221; predecessor because they are his policies also. As one of the people against whom you Americans are waging war I do not distinguish between whichever pack of war criminals you have voted to represent you because there is nothing to distinguish between them.</p>
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		<title>By: sporkovat</title>
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		<dc:creator>sporkovat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 07:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Least-Worstism at work!

those who voted for Obama, &lt;em&gt;knew&lt;/em&gt; his positions:

1)  that &#039;all options were on the table&#039; against Iran, including a nuclear first strike.

2) he would &#039;focus&#039; more lethal firepower on the people of Afghanistan and Pakistan

3) he would not withdraw from Iraq.

so most firepups voted for him anyway, and have to live with the cries of survivors on your conscience, all for what? a centrist Supreme Court Justice? was it worth it? 

maybe, like Madelaine Allbright, &lt;strong&gt;Democrat&lt;/strong&gt; Bill Clintons SoS, Democrats in good standing are able to think a half million innocent civilians is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;worth it&lt;/a&gt;, but great swathes of this country, left right and center, are getting mighty sick of the terrible human and financial costs of Obama&#039;s continuations of Bush&#039;s stupid wars.

Youth I talk to know the score - they do not differentiate much between the (D) and the (R) wings of the War Party, and they are right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Least-Worstism at work!</p>
<p>those who voted for Obama, <em>knew</em> his positions:</p>
<p>1)  that &#8216;all options were on the table&#8217; against Iran, including a nuclear first strike.</p>
<p>2) he would &#8216;focus&#8217; more lethal firepower on the people of Afghanistan and Pakistan</p>
<p>3) he would not withdraw from Iraq.</p>
<p>so most firepups voted for him anyway, and have to live with the cries of survivors on your conscience, all for what? a centrist Supreme Court Justice? was it worth it? </p>
<p>maybe, like Madelaine Allbright, <strong>Democrat</strong> Bill Clintons SoS, Democrats in good standing are able to think a half million innocent civilians is <a href="http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084" rel="nofollow">worth it</a>, but great swathes of this country, left right and center, are getting mighty sick of the terrible human and financial costs of Obama&#8217;s continuations of Bush&#8217;s stupid wars.</p>
<p>Youth I talk to know the score &#8211; they do not differentiate much between the (D) and the (R) wings of the War Party, and they are right.</p>
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		<title>By: wigwam</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/11/08/even-joe-scarborough-knows-it%e2%80%99s-wrong/#comment-2012362</link>
		<dc:creator>wigwam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 05:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to confess to something of a perverse fascination with drone technology, and I was particularly impressed by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-drone-eyes2-2009nov02,0,3816238.story&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this article&lt;/a&gt; by Julian E Barnes on the front page of the November 2, 2009 issue of the LA Times:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Predators and other unmanned aircraft have just revolutionized our ability to provide a constant stare against our enemy,&quot; said a senior military official. &quot;The next sensors, mark my words, are going to be equally revolutionary.&quot;

Unmanned MQ-9 Reaper aircraft now produce a single video feed as they fly continuously over surveillance routes, and the area they can cover largely depends on altitude. The new technology initially will increase the number of video feeds to 12 and eventually to 65.

Like the Reaper and its earlier counterpart, the Predator, the newest technology program has been given a fearsome name: the Gorgon Stare, named for the mythological creature whose gaze turns victims to stone.

Unmanned aircraft, used both for surveillance and for offensive strikes, are considered the most significant advance in military technology in a generation.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
The Reaper flys at up to 250 mph, twice as high as its predecessor, the Predator, at up to 50,000 ft, which is twice as high as the Predator.  It currently has 12 times as many video feeds but the will increase to 65 times as many within a year, at which point they expect to have 50 Reapers in the air at all times. Also: 
 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Officials also plan to store weeks of video feeds on computer servers, so that analysts will be able to look back in time to follow the movements of people or vehicles.

&quot;Using the all-seeing eye, you will find out who is important in a network, where they live, where they get their support from, where their friends are,&quot; said the senior military official. &quot;This gives you the option to arrest the individual, talk to the individuals or . . . wait till those people have gone down a lonely stretch of road and take them out with a Hellfire missile.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;


The problem is that the people who design and control these gadgets seem to have no appreciation of the fact that drones are assassins&#039; weapons.  These gadgeteers seem to have no understanding of the art and purposes of assassination.  

Unless an assassination is intended to make an example of someone, it should be made to look like an accident or an unfortunate medical affliction, for example, these: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/12/21/204054/20/397/675926  Assassinating people with Hellfire missles and killing whole wedding parties in the process is Bush league amateurism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to confess to something of a perverse fascination with drone technology, and I was particularly impressed by <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-drone-eyes2-2009nov02,0,3816238.story" rel="nofollow">this article</a> by Julian E Barnes on the front page of the November 2, 2009 issue of the LA Times:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Predators and other unmanned aircraft have just revolutionized our ability to provide a constant stare against our enemy,&#8221; said a senior military official. &#8220;The next sensors, mark my words, are going to be equally revolutionary.&#8221;</p>
<p>Unmanned MQ-9 Reaper aircraft now produce a single video feed as they fly continuously over surveillance routes, and the area they can cover largely depends on altitude. The new technology initially will increase the number of video feeds to 12 and eventually to 65.</p>
<p>Like the Reaper and its earlier counterpart, the Predator, the newest technology program has been given a fearsome name: the Gorgon Stare, named for the mythological creature whose gaze turns victims to stone.</p>
<p>Unmanned aircraft, used both for surveillance and for offensive strikes, are considered the most significant advance in military technology in a generation.</p></blockquote>
<p>The Reaper flys at up to 250 mph, twice as high as its predecessor, the Predator, at up to 50,000 ft, which is twice as high as the Predator.  It currently has 12 times as many video feeds but the will increase to 65 times as many within a year, at which point they expect to have 50 Reapers in the air at all times. Also: </p>
<blockquote><p>Officials also plan to store weeks of video feeds on computer servers, so that analysts will be able to look back in time to follow the movements of people or vehicles.</p>
<p>&#8220;Using the all-seeing eye, you will find out who is important in a network, where they live, where they get their support from, where their friends are,&#8221; said the senior military official. &#8220;This gives you the option to arrest the individual, talk to the individuals or . . . wait till those people have gone down a lonely stretch of road and take them out with a Hellfire missile.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>The problem is that the people who design and control these gadgets seem to have no appreciation of the fact that drones are assassins&#8217; weapons.  These gadgeteers seem to have no understanding of the art and purposes of assassination.  </p>
<p>Unless an assassination is intended to make an example of someone, it should be made to look like an accident or an unfortunate medical affliction, for example, these: <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/12/21/204054/20/397/675926" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/12/21/204054/20/397/675926</a>  Assassinating people with Hellfire missles and killing whole wedding parties in the process is Bush league amateurism.</p>
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		<title>By: DeanOR</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/11/08/even-joe-scarborough-knows-it%e2%80%99s-wrong/#comment-2012361</link>
		<dc:creator>DeanOR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 05:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and we&#039;re winning these hearts and minds with our ghastly robotic warfare in a very politically unstable country that has a stockpile of nuclear weapons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and we&#8217;re winning these hearts and minds with our ghastly robotic warfare in a very politically unstable country that has a stockpile of nuclear weapons.</p>
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		<title>By: Siun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Siun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 05:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ET - thank you. I too hope to some day hear this piece.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ET &#8211; thank you. I too hope to some day hear this piece.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Doty</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/11/08/even-joe-scarborough-knows-it%e2%80%99s-wrong/#comment-2012295</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura Doty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 04:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope to hear this work in live performance someday.   Thanks, ET, for all you do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope to hear this work in live performance someday.   Thanks, ET, for all you do.</p>
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		<title>By: EdwardTeller</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/11/08/even-joe-scarborough-knows-it%e2%80%99s-wrong/#comment-2012258</link>
		<dc:creator>EdwardTeller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 04:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Predators are being supplanted or replaced by the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MQ-9_Reaper&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Reapers&lt;/a&gt;, which are far more capable.  This is batshit crazy.  

I&#039;ve gotten into some hefty arguments with my fellow Alaska progressives over this.  They just don&#039;t want to talk about it.  Obama&#039;s going to be here this coming week refueling on the way to Asia.  Some Democrats might be meeting him, but nobody&#039;s going to invite me to the show, even though I&#039;m a party officer.

I&#039;m writing a set of pieces for orchestra, called &lt;em&gt;Afghanistan&lt;/em&gt;, which will premiere in Anchorage on May 14th.  The 2nd movement is called &lt;em&gt;Obama&#039;s Reapers&lt;/em&gt;.  The first movement is called &lt;em&gt;Bamiyan Voids&lt;/em&gt;, and is about the destruction of the Buddhist statues at Bamiyan by the Taliban in 2000.  The other two movements are about simple life in Afghanistan and about Afghan women musicians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Predators are being supplanted or replaced by the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MQ-9_Reaper" rel="nofollow">Reapers</a>, which are far more capable.  This is batshit crazy.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve gotten into some hefty arguments with my fellow Alaska progressives over this.  They just don&#8217;t want to talk about it.  Obama&#8217;s going to be here this coming week refueling on the way to Asia.  Some Democrats might be meeting him, but nobody&#8217;s going to invite me to the show, even though I&#8217;m a party officer.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m writing a set of pieces for orchestra, called <em>Afghanistan</em>, which will premiere in Anchorage on May 14th.  The 2nd movement is called <em>Obama&#8217;s Reapers</em>.  The first movement is called <em>Bamiyan Voids</em>, and is about the destruction of the Buddhist statues at Bamiyan by the Taliban in 2000.  The other two movements are about simple life in Afghanistan and about Afghan women musicians.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Doty</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/11/08/even-joe-scarborough-knows-it%e2%80%99s-wrong/#comment-2012251</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura Doty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 03:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Charred stuff&quot;  including human beings; what&#039;s left of them, anyway.  

It is a war crime not to take steps to ensure the safety of civilians.  There have been too many mistakes to argue that this method reliably discerns the difference between soldiers (or insurgents) and citizens.  This must stop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Charred stuff&#8221;  including human beings; what&#8217;s left of them, anyway.  </p>
<p>It is a war crime not to take steps to ensure the safety of civilians.  There have been too many mistakes to argue that this method reliably discerns the difference between soldiers (or insurgents) and citizens.  This must stop.</p>
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