Here’s a NYT link to the Stupak Amendment

http://documents.nytimes.com/the-stupak-amendment#p=1

Crunch time!

How many Dem votes to they need if all the Republicans vote for it?

So is this done electronically and does it go in several cycles with some people passing? Can they reverse a vote until the vote is final?

Ya know, I’ve read precisely 13 pages since this started today. Damn.

Time to primary Stupak. Who needs a Vatican mole?

218 is the magic number to prevail, I do believe. Somebody correct my math if need be.

How long ya think they’ll keep this one open? 15 minutes seems unpossible.

yes.

17 Dem votes so far

16 D yeas so far. Are we still expecting 40-something?

Of course, there’s a recorded vote on the Republicans’ substitute bill, and then on the actual health care reform bill itself.

177 GOP + 41 Dems = 218 votes
But if 5 Republicans vote “Present”
172 GOP + 43 Dems = 215 votes (majority in this case)

Marcy Kaptur and Kathy Dahlkemper will have to go as well.

Coke or Pepsi?

it’s too bad there isn’t a web site that shows the recorded votes in real time. They could do it if they wanted to.

Is this stupid piece of shit gonna pass?

and if so, which bill does it get tacked onto?

i suppose that if nothing else, it can be tossed into the crapper in the reconciliation process.

Time to clean the House

It’s live-updated on the C-Span video feed and its repeaters like MSNBC which is here:

talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2009/11

not holding my breath on that one.

It’s very close at this very minute; 4:40 remaining, 124 Aye, 133 nay

Four minutes left why is the vote total so low?

It’s an amendment to the main HCR bill.

We hope it will not pass.

Evidently some Rs are decamping, see “Shadegg to vote present” thread downstairs.

I mean names and votes not just aggregate numbers.

36 — 3 more and you’re toast, ladies!

(assuming 100% of GOP show up & vote “yea”)

they like waiting for the last minute. Adds to their feelings of POWER

Yeah – 147
Nay – 142

41! Yeah!

Your uteruses belong to Bart Stupak!

That’s what every one of Boehner’s speeches asking the Chairman for a “guarantee of conference.” Apparently Obama is telling the Liberals “We’ll work it out in conference” and the GOP got wind of it.

Stupak’s amendment should be defeated on the floor.

Now 41 YAY Democrats.

Because these things always go way long, or else everyone rushes in at the last minute. Sick puppies savoring a moment and/or waiting to see which way the wind is blowing.

they are toast as far as I’m concerned.

43 D YEas at this minute! GODDAMMIT!

There you are! Yay you!

You’ve been Stupaked, ladies

What would happen if Blue Dogs also voted present.

Oh, and primary Collin Peterson

45 D’s in favor of the Stupak so far.

Anybody listening to the yahoos calling in on CSpan? If ignorance is bliss we all live in nirvana.

I do want names. I plan to write lots of letters.

Yeah – 177
Nay – 160

48 dems

Fuck. Primary fund, meet my bank account.

[thunderous outrage - cannot verbalize, will be moderated out of existence]

People calling in on Cspan against health care reform and they don’t have insurance. United States of Morons

Dam sickening.

51 Ds!

AAAAAAAAAIIIIIEEEEEE!

Along with the immigrants….the health care privilege.

Nevahmind….

J.H.F.C. !!!

F*cking Rahm. He did this.

Fuck fuck fuck.

Well, looks like that’s that; up to 53 Dem votes now.

Which means that if Stupak goes down it will be due to Republicans unfortunately. And so far no one’s following Shadegg’s lead on present or Bachman’s lead on voting no. All GOPers so far have voted aye. Doesn’t look good.

Yeah – 196
Nay – 171

53 dems

52 Democratic votes so far; lotsa folks piling on now.

Poison pill.

sternly worded of course. That’ll show them.

Take the pledge

Yeah – 206
Nay – 173

55 dems

Yeah, I’m sure Obama will be really angry with Rahm when he hears about this.

blerk, beep, &^%$, gack

I am actually more pissed about this than Maine prop 1.

GODDAMMIT!

It’s only women. They don’t matter.

Stupak currently has 53 Dems in his corner, with 197 for & 172 against. No one has voted present, no Reps have voted against.

I want specific names. I will also need a straight-jacket for an hour or two so I can’t hurt myself or anyone else.

I’ll say again ( and I’ve never said this before today) – it is time for a third party.

These whores (and I use that word with no gender identification) do not represent me.

Monday is gonna see lots of phone calls into Congress. Anyone ready to march ?

Stupak is political history.

Not in Afghanistan or the United States. If this were happening in Europe there would be riots in the streets.

My favorite was the 25 yo ijut with a family who’d rather have no insurance for his wife and child.

Yeah – 219
Nay – 183

57 dems

Over. 219 Ayes.

1 R Present

219 for Stupak. Have to go to the closet now so my screams and cursing will be somewhat muffled. 60 fucking Dems.

kinda too late for that I think.

First present vote.

Now, there’s no way back to 218.

And there goes Shadegg’s Present vote.

Hey Rayne, you guys got a primary challenger up there for Schtuppak??

That’s what it will take. Torches and pitchforks to put the fear of political death into these reactionaries.

always.

Rahm represents the antithesis, and representatives of, of every promise Obama made wile campaigning.

I really don’t get it.

57 Dems voting for wire coathangers. Shameful.

Yeah – 236
Nay – 190 (One gooper present)

63 dems

Why isn’t this unconstitutional?

Our uteri today. His ass tomorrow!

Primary primary primary.

Yeah – 238
Nay – 191 (One gooper present)

64 dems

why don’t we send a bunch of coat hangers to the Dems who voted for this amendment?

Never forget.

Even if reconciliation strips this.

I hate to say it but I told you so. Rahm will have his bargaining chip to use against progressives in the conference.

“Do you want a PO, or do you want poor women to have access to abortions?”

I surely want to see how many women in the yeas…..

I like that!

Ok women. To the back of the line.

Must.Not.Pass.

Not = for women, means not = for anybody. That’s what’s coming.

Start over.

So gals, how does it feel to be chattel?

Me too. I’m in for $100 bucks worth of hangers.

Where to send?

Not a single Republican voted no. So much for Bachman.

You mean send them some back?

Republicans and Dems like Stupak will corner the market on coat hangers to try and turn a tidy profit when the need arises.

Stupak Amendment
Yeah – 240
Nay – 193 (One gooper present)

64 dems

So is Roe overturned by this fucking idiot Stupak? (assuuming that it gets through reconciliation)

And a promise to primary every damned one of their asses, as many times as it takes, to get them out of office permanently.

If the DNC wants money from me, I’m not available. Ever.

I like the coat hanger idea. I think we need to flood the House mail room with them.

Oh, first no negotiated rates, no single-payer for the states, and now that it’s got Stupak in it (and let’s not delude ourselves of any guarantee that center-right Obama would or could have it pulled in conference)… exactly what are we gaining from this bill again? Closing one more loophole for the insurance companies in exchange for allowing them to tax us? Scuttle it and start over!

Rayne, thanks for doing this.

maybe we can at least shove it down Boner’s throat.

I guess the leadership who caved and allowed Stupak to bluff them when he NEVER had the 40 votes from the get-go. That would be Pelosi, Hoyer and Clyburn, for starters, I guess, plus Stupak.

Stupak Amendment – FINAL
Yeah – 240
Nay – 194 (One gooper present)

64 dems

At this point hope Boner’s amendment passes.

Yes they do. And they vote.

Let’s send the hangars to the White House.

OMG I am just sick. Who are these Democrats? They have now determined that any woman who wanted to buy a policy in the exchange – even with their own money – will no longer be allowed to buy a policy that allows her to have a legal procedure. They have effectively made this the most discriminatory bill conceivable. Women are the losers and this bill deserves to go down in flames now.

Apparently just the money, not the right…..The golden rule…

No. The spirit of it sure is undercut substantially though.

(with sock stuck in mouth) how soon will we have the names?

Can some one remind me why I even want a health care reform bill now?

just think about it for a moment. Should it make it through conference and into the bill what are the odds of court challenges going anywhere with the courts stacked by the Bushies?

Coat hangers also to Rahm and Obama—they let this happen.

I am simply amazed at the depth of this sell out.

I wish C-Span would stop taking phone calls.

I mean – I know that there are a shit-load of stupid people out there – so why am I forced to listen to them?

I wish that C-Span would publish the number of phone calls that they have to field in order to be able to present false equivalency.

To which the correct response is “Do you want a bailout for your fellow Pharisee money-changers, or not?”

I am so furious. I’m going to send a bunch of cheap wire coat hangers to the Democrats who votes for it.

I don’t want one now. Rather go without for another year or two, because maybe we can kick some of these @W#E$R%^&*() out of office next year.

This bill is turning into a piece of shit. Just what Obama would seem to have intended.

it’s not just women wanting them. This insures that no plan on the exchange will have them covered. period.

we are ready here

A repub voted no on Boners ammendment – brains will fall out

Gotta say I was very surprised at HOW MANY Dems voted for Stupak, WAY more than I thought would.

Boehner Amendment
Yeah – 167
Nay – 250 (One gooper nay)

Dems – 0

looks like Boner already lost.

(Cut the cameras to a weeping Boner – PLEASE!)

We certainly don’t matter to 64 Dems. I want their names so that I can work against them. We need to know if we gave money to them, too.

Fund raise immediately. Ads by Monday. Turn this shit back.

“In addition, Speaker Pelosi felt that offering a single-payer amendment would open the floodgates to amendments proposed to limit abortion funds, restrict immigrant access to health care and other regressive legislation.” ; so everybody genuflect to Pelosi for killing any single payer consideration because she was concerned about ‘opening the floodgates to amendments proposed to limit abortion funds’.

AND with the vote totals,everyone ought to be focused on at least getting the part out where it prohibits anyone receiving a ‘subsidy’ in using their own money to purchase a policy that covers aboertion.

Thank you Nancy Pelosi for selling out your sisters.

We don’t have one identified yet. Believe me, it’s going to be discussed in two weeks at the next state central meeting.

And Stupak had better not show up.

As for everyone clamoring for a primary contender: get to know the district. Seriously. This is going to be one fucking big job, one of the worst in the country. In many more populated and metropolitan areas, it’s no problem to find a candidate.

The Boner bill fails to pass

yep.

It’s a feature, not a bug.

Boner’s substitute (would that be a sex toy?) failed.

Now the main attraction.

Shitheads. Pardon my language but that is what these Democratic yes votes are.

Dont forget Pelosi ALLOWED this travesty. I am so ashamed of Stupak and the Bishops and the followers. What awful people they are.

Also: Lysistrada time. No hetero-sex for men until this is fixed. I am serious.

Another year or two??? Think more along the lines of 40 years but by then the U.S. will have collapsed under the weight of it’s own corruption, inefficiencies, irresponsibilities and inequalities. Perhaps a Euro-Sino alliance will be the liberators of a failed experiment.

Looking to Jane:

It’s not fair Hamsher, to peg you for an immediate, coordinated action. But you got any ideas to marshall the troops around?

What I want to do, is probably not what I should do, but I want to max my credit card, and order about 20 yards of sewage sprinkled with coathangers and have it dumped in front of 1600 Penn.

AAAAAAAAA!

Boehner Amendment – FINAL – FAILED
Yeah – 176
Nay – 258 (One gooper nay)
ONE no-vote

Dems – 0

No coverage for women, no bill. Fuck these assholes.

We need to get rid of at least 100 white old men in the damn House. We need some women who can lead. I am tired of some damn old men who can get Viagra whenever they want telling me what I can do with my reproductive life. Let us all vote next year and CLEAN. HOUSE.

Each of us should send at least one to every Dem who voted Yea. With a note attached. (Hmmm….wonder if coat hangers would get through security ??)

Wait a minute– don’t lump us all together in this!

I think it’s time for Americans to start sending their medical bills DIRECTLY to the Congress to be paid!

Cantor up.
How proud his parents must be…

Now the vote on the fucking Trojan-Horse’d HCR bill.

Ooh, move to recommit. Maybe this was the idea?

Good idea.

the congress woman i just saw on TV said there’s already language in the bill prohibiting expenditure of fed funds for abortions. so how’s the amendment go further than that? she seemed to talk about the amendment as if it was redundant but i think it goes further?

what’s up with this?

Oh, I like THAT, too. One for each DINO who voted Yea, and one for Obama.

I said it before, and say it again – if primarying Stupak fails, support third-parties or GOP over Stupak in 2010. Punishing Stupak is a much more important goal.

Eric Cantor (aka “the stupidest man is Washington, D.C.) up.

Could someone please remind me again of Cantor’s title?

It always cracks me up.

To the women in America – you are all Catholic now.

The bishops and the Pope will determine what rights you are entitled to.

Wellll, maybe not. Cantor. Again. sssssssssssssssssssssss

see my comment at 127

I’m a hetero-male myself and willing to sacrifice.

probably not in the Capitol but their district offices.

One? How about a box full…a truck full… dump them right on the Capitol steps and in Lafayette Park

Alternatively, we could send burkahs to all the Republican wives;

HEY, Try it on!

the Stupid shit won’t make it outta conference anyway, yes? isn’t it kinda early to be wiggin’ out, guys?

do both.

Ruprecht.

so yo – Cantor – what will tort reform save? Is it .2% of total costs or .02%?

whadda dick.

(48 out of 50 state already have institute medical liability caps)

I have been e-mailing Stupaks corporate donators. Time to boycott them. Tell your friends and neighbors.

It’s time to get stupid people out of Congress.

I can’t imagine any woman arguing with that strategy. Guaranteed to get the attention needed – quickly. Overnight, you might say.

Rep. Eric CantDoAnythingRight.

Are the Rs trying to strategically force the Ds to accept the motion to recommit to committee to get a crack at stripping the Stupak crap before the floor vote on the bill?

I know exactly what this means. It has effectively made abortion unavailable for any woman who wanted to participate in the exchange. Which is what I said and why I think this bill should go up in flames.

Let’s see, Harry Reid, how’s he going to deal with this. IIRC he’s a no-choicer.

Oh, I forgot, send burkahs to the Conservadem’s wives too.

Hey now, I didn’t have anything to do with this crap!

Federal funds have NEVER been used for abortion. It’s already illegal. Score a big win for the wingnut crazy fuckers. They just went a long way to taking the right for abortion away. Those who live in rural areas may have just lost their right alltogether.

RevDeb I put your Pledge link up on my Facebook page. Will anyone else do that too? Let’s get this viral.

Alternatively, we could send burkahs to all the Republican wives;

ummm, can I vote for that alternative?

The church has been doing this from the very beginning. Remember when they tried to cast Mary Magdalene as a prostitute?

my question is how does Stupak amendment differ from language already in the bill prohibiting expenditure of fed $$$ for abortions??

Like that idea. When they call asking for the money I’ll just say I’m waiting for my bailout and they can contact my Representative in D.C. Fuck all these a holes in D.C.

Well then speak for yourself.

Capo of the House

Stupak’s district is poor and getting poorer-the unemployment rate is horrific and the state/counties are slashing services. But, hey, they have the Right to Lifer’s gratitude.

but that’s what I’m asking. how does Stupak change that?

I will, link please.

think i’ll call dr. stupak’s office on monday and see what his first available appointment is, find out what medical procedures i’m allowed to have. think he takes kaiser?

Yeah, neither did I, but we”ll put more pressure on the turncoat Ds this way, won’t we?

I’m not wigging out at all. The law of the land prohibits federal money to be used for abortions.

I’m amazed. I didn’t understand that this thing could actually pass. Lesson learned.

What does this actually mean, though? Cuts off any federal funds from being used for abortions. But does that mean that a public health insurance option – which would not be funded by taxpayer $ – could not cover an abortion?

There are no guarantees.

Brown-Wait’s Up–

Is that a Waterhead hanging from her endometrium?

.

Yeah, well, what else?

It means that any plan that wants to be in the exchange will have to strip coverage from it which effectively will give private insurers an out. The only health insurance plans that will continue to cover it will be the ones serving large corporations whose users insist on keeping it. Good luck with that.

I wouldn’t even tell them you want a bailout. Tell them you’re going to send your medical bills to your representative to be paid with your tax money! :-)

I thought it was “the only United States Representative who failed to make it onto his state’s Special Olympics Brain-Game Team”

I wonder if the MSM would be able to ignore a truckload of coat hangers dumped on the Capitol steps? Much easier to ignore a few coat hangers delivered to each congressional local office..

This really sucks.

Now that’s freedom.

I bet it does make it out of conference; there is still another vote after that and they will want the bill to pass.

Yeah, and I think it’s a conservative district. Instead of primarying him we may have to general him– that is, support whatever puke runs against him.

The pukes will hold up the bill if it’s not in there.

I’m with you. Let’s do it. I’ll take mine to the post office tomorrow.

Essentially it prevents any private insurance exchange that receives Federal subsidies from funding reproductive services.

exactly. everybody does it. that federalim/states rights shit worked out well for them in limiting med mal lawsuits. and ya gotta get an expert opinion before you can even file a fucking suit places I’ve been. shit like that. the ins. co.s have already gotten what they want in the states. the bullshit we’re hearin’ from the Repubs in DC is just that–total bullshit.

NOW is the time to make the cocksuckers vote for Medicare for all.

not only that but any plan on the exchange that accepts any federal subsidies.

can’t they have the sergeant-at-arms throw those buffoons out?

what did Nancy trade in order to let the Stupak bill go forward?

House is not in order.

Hi tbsa :) RevDeb gave the link @55 above.

They made a big deal out of the teabag delivery didn’t they?

You do know what a capo was don’t you?

Not necessarily. The conservadems just won their pro-life vote, at least enough to split the difference with the movement forced-birthers.

Single-payer floor vote. Oy, a real strategist, that Nancy. Also: impeachment not on table.

here – you have to get past a “medical review panel” before you can even file.

Be afraid be very very afraid

Rayne is upstairs…
Stupak Amendment Passes; 64 Dems Ask for Primary Opponents

Large corporations are generally SELF-insured and only use the insurance companies as administrators. The question I have now is, will self-insured plans using private insurance companies as administrators be allowed to cover the full range of women’s health care IF the company issuing the plan receives any federal funds.

hey don’t take it out on all us males… there are a few who do support womens rights ya know…..
besides I wanna get some once in a while.. *G*

I refuse to answer that question on the grounds…, etc.

thanks for that. that’s what i thought. which is a heck of a lot more than prohibiting federal funds from being used for abortions — but the dimwit Dem rep I saw on TV didn’t make that distinction – just that Stupak was re-dundant of what was already in the bill and I said “Don’t think so, lady.”

Thanks deb.

She got the Catholic Bishops to support the bill.

CSPAN has a Republican agneda now and has had for a while. These people probably get paid to make these calls, their just so stupid.

Doesn’t the Sergeant at Arms have a weapon?

Way to go Hoyer!

OMG, Stenny’s having a Moment there.

Gotta split. Need to be hopeful in front of the congregation in the morning.

eeeerrrrrgggggghhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Her soul.

Dear jayt. Clinton did the same thing. It is what the Democratic Party does, always, predictably, when they control Congress and the WH.

the rest of the time they are ‘innocent bystanders’ helpless little kittens, who utter meaningless promises about all the good things they will do if they could ever get majorities supermajorities majorities with no blue dogs …. doesn’t matter.

the voters will return them to ‘innocent bystander’ status soon enough, and, if his first year is any measure, will be sufficiently fed up to allow Obama a chance to compose his memoirs 4 years earlier.

everybody excited about the mandates!? thats always been a central feature of Insurance Reform that hasn’t gotten quite the attention of the wondrous ‘Public Option.’

any plan on the exchange that accepts any federal subsidies.

didn’t the president say very explicitly that a public option would be paid for entirely by premiums and not receive any federal subsidies? how many private plans would be affected, i.e. receive subsidies?

what did Nancy trade in order to let the Stupak bill go forward?

Her honor, if she indeed had any to trade.

IN.?? wow. NJ you just had to get a certification from a DR saying the suit had merit. it was just a total pain in the ass. haven’t practiced in FL but it’s similar. but the med panel sounds like a ballbuster. the bullshit they’re calling for is already being done but the teabaggers keep repeating all that shit — until one of their relatives gets fucked up by a dr. maybe rthey’ll find out what’s what.

I think these are the major differences:

Original bill: you could get coverage for abortion in a version of the public plan.

Stupak: Now you can’t

Original bill: you could get coverage for abortion in any plan in the exchange that got a subsidy, provided there was a mechanism to separate the funds so that only the person’s funds, and not the federal subsidy, paid for the abortion.

Stupak: now you can’t; if you get a subsidized plan, you can’t have one that covers abortion.

That’s an interpretation and may not be precise. Check back about 2-3 posts for better explanation.

nite deb. what’s our gospel tomorrow?

The Portrait of Dorian Grey Nancy Pelosi.

the exchange isn’t the PO; It is private insurers “competing” in the open market in order to “bring costs down”

The PO is another thing entirely. That would be govt. run and hence bound by Hyde.

Thank you very much. I learn so much from all of you.

ROLL CALL VOTE IS UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2009/roll884.xml

thanks. see, i piss off alot of my friends here b/c i don’t have a problem with no fed $$ being used for abortions. but Stupak seems to me to go way beyond that and reaches into private plans which is bogus.

but I’m still pretty confident that it’ll wind up on the conference room floor.

I watched NOW last night and David Sirota was on taking about the Left feeling let down by Obama. Whether it is the War, wiretapping, DADT, marriage equality in Maine, or healthcare, Obama has not kept his campaign promises and, in fact, pulled a 180. Sirota speculated that DEMs are slipping away and it could mean big trouble for them in 2010. I am one of those that is beyond fed up. This is NOT what we worked our tails off for last year before the election. It is hard to believe that Obama really thinks the base will be there after all this crap. Why work for a Democrat? You get betrayed by all of them.

I don’t do gospel. I’m talking about Overton window and thinking outside the box—theologically and with issues. Not much to be done on this one, unfortunately.

I’ll be asking for a coat hanger collection soon.

Blue Dog Donnelly gets a coat hanger. Maybe several. With a note of thanks for condemning poor women to back alleys with that implement.

The REAL kicker is that anyone recieving subsidies to purchase insurance is prohibited from buying ANY policy ANYWHERE WITH THEIR OWN MONEY that has abortion defined as a defined medical procedure.

my clueless rep voted nay. i’m sure she has no idea why. but a vote’s a vote.

Only if the gutless progressives won’t kill this lousy bill.

Among the somewhat shocking names in the Dem Yes list are Murtha and Obey.

My quarrel with no federal funds being used for abortions — presumably because if I am anti abortion my tax dollars might be used — is that my tax dollars are used for a lot of things, like TWO WARS, that I am opposed to.

If abortion is a legal medical procedure, between a woman and her doctor, then the government and the Catholic bishops should have no say in it.

An idea: Jane, how are your contacts? Any chance some pro-choice Dem could offer THEIR OWN motion to recommit after this vote? And that motion would have the instruction, the only instruction, to remove the Stupak language?

Excellent, excellent points.

Murtha is true to form, but Obey and Neal (MA) WTF?

watch you don’t get Norske’d, with talk like that.

its like Martin Luther, nailing his 95 theses to the door of the church.

look at all the trouble that started!

no, stay with the one true church of More and Better Democrats, no matter what.

if the few primaries that are undertaken fail, as most of them do, because that casino has stacked the decks – back in the big tent with you, because the Republican will be reeeely scaaaary!

Not only that…but the female employees of an employer that wants to put his insurance on the exchange.

This will set workers against workers…those who want reproductive rights will want their firm to compete outside the exchanges. Those who want lower rates will say “let’s change”, lets get on the exchange.

This will make workplaces into battlefields.

Anyone else have the thought that the Dems are ‘betting the house’ on this for the 2010 elections thinking they’ll get enough seats to push thru changes to this ‘set up to fail’ plan?

What’s sad is listening to the callers on cspan who have immediate needs the bill could address and such won’t be available til 2013. And ,of course, that is being mentioned much.

What is the current vote to recommit with instructions about?

A vote to open the bill back up for amendments again before final passage.

When are the Rethugs get up and whine about having to be there this late on a Saturday night. Hopefully their wives forgot to Tivo the college football games.

Jeezus, they’re going to need a big bus to fit everyone under. Eventually it’s going to be pretty plain that the only “people” the Democratic Party serves are corporations.

I wonder if the 13 Dems voting Yea voted Yea on Stupak.

Thank you

Because the current Federal law only deals with direct support for abortion procedures. This applies to every subsidy the government provides, and to the “administrative costs” of managing exchanges. So if a woman or family receives a subsidy to cover part of their health care that woman or family cannot receive an abortion using that health plan.

Furthermore a woman whose employer decides to shift the company-employee health care to the “exchange”…to get more competitive premium rates…would LOSE her coverage for abortions. She would have to seek insurance elsewhere…but with so few companies offering it she might have to pay exorbitant costs. Or she could try and buy a complete insurance…but as an independent buyer (rather than on an exchange) the prices would be sky high.

Hey all of you - come on upstairs to the next phase post

That violates Rowe v Wade, doesn’t it? Tell me we didn’t just take a 40 year step backwards in reproductive rights where only rich women can have abortions?

Yes…no abortions can be funded through a public option plan…nor from plans on any “exchange”. Thus if a comapny shifts their insurance to an exchange employees could LOSE their coverage for abortions.

That’s a tough question as many of the families and women using a corporate plan may receive subsidies on the basis of their income. Given that they cannot use that money for a PLAN that contains abortion services I’d say that women, even off the exchange, are screwed over TOO.

Pretty much so…it will have to be purchased “out of pocket”.

more and better Democrats has always been the progressives mantra – it doesn’t work, Norske or not.

Or if she’s of child-bearing age, she could emigrate to Canada and fugeddaboudit all this BS.

Dear fellow – my position on ‘more and better (D)’s’ is one of merciless mockery.

the unrequited infatuation with the Democratic Party on the part of ‘progressives’ is a major factor in the accelerating rightward drift the USA has been on for 40 years.

And with the brazen disses and betrayals from the party that controls congress and the WH, there is truly no excuse anymore – and the comments are full of folks offering renunciations of voting for, donating, or working for (D)’s again.

I share LindaR’s question above, “why isn’t this unconstitutional?” Planned Parenthod v. Casey is the operative Supreme Court decision. The plurality opinion in that case struck down any governmental provision that places an “undue burden” on a woman seeking an abortion An “undue burden” is defined as any statute that has “the purpose or effect of placing a substantial obstacle in the path of a woman seeking an abortion of a nonviable fetus.” Surely a federal law that has the effect of making it extremely difficult for a woman to get coverage for abortion is an “undue burden” by this definition.