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	<title>Comments on: Stupak Amendment Passes; 64 Dems Ask for Primary Opponents</title>
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		<title>By: dakine01</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/11/07/stupak-amendment-passes-64-dems-ask-for-primary-opponents/#comment-2012218</link>
		<dc:creator>dakine01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 02:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of the abortions performed in the late second and third trimester are in fact for the life of the woman, so I guess saving a woman&#039;s life is pretty damn evil.

Do you think taxpayers should be paying for Viagra and Cialis under the health care plans and insurance exchanges?  Isn&#039;t that a similar situation as paying for the abortion?

If the child is not wanted, would you have the woman be forced to carry it to term?  What then?  How much more does it cost to deal with unwanted children?  If poor women cannot afford an abortion, are you willing to help pay the tab for the child abuse and neglect system to protect the unwanted children?  Or the sicknesses and injuries because someone has been forced to have a child they did not want and probably can not afford?  Isn&#039;t in fact allowing abortion coverage into the exchange the more economical route and better for the total society?  

Or is it just a bad thing that a woman had sex?  Especially since so many of the same folks who are ardently anti-abortion are just as ardently anti-contraception, anti-sex education, and plain anti-sex?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of the abortions performed in the late second and third trimester are in fact for the life of the woman, so I guess saving a woman&#8217;s life is pretty damn evil.</p>
<p>Do you think taxpayers should be paying for Viagra and Cialis under the health care plans and insurance exchanges?  Isn&#8217;t that a similar situation as paying for the abortion?</p>
<p>If the child is not wanted, would you have the woman be forced to carry it to term?  What then?  How much more does it cost to deal with unwanted children?  If poor women cannot afford an abortion, are you willing to help pay the tab for the child abuse and neglect system to protect the unwanted children?  Or the sicknesses and injuries because someone has been forced to have a child they did not want and probably can not afford?  Isn&#8217;t in fact allowing abortion coverage into the exchange the more economical route and better for the total society?  </p>
<p>Or is it just a bad thing that a woman had sex?  Especially since so many of the same folks who are ardently anti-abortion are just as ardently anti-contraception, anti-sex education, and plain anti-sex?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian77</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/11/07/stupak-amendment-passes-64-dems-ask-for-primary-opponents/#comment-2012216</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abortion is a medical procedure in the sense that you want to have a medical professional to do it, just as you do with plastic surgery.  But in the great majority of cases, it&#039;s not done for a medical purpose, i.e., not done to preserve the life or health or the woman.  It&#039;s done because the woman decides not to have a baby.

Many reasonable think abortion generally is the taking of an individual human life (I&#039;m not one of them.)  MOST Americans think abortion after about 5 months is pretty damn sick and pretty damn evil.  The Supreme Court has spoken, and virtually all abortions are constitutionally protected.  But Ann Coulter does not get the community at Firedoglake to pay her book advance when she engages in constitutionally protected speech.  NRA members don&#039;t get funding from the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence to support their constitutionally protected right to buy and carry guns.  And those who get abortions should use the power of the State, i.e., taxation on pain of jail, to coerce their neighbors to pay for the procedure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abortion is a medical procedure in the sense that you want to have a medical professional to do it, just as you do with plastic surgery.  But in the great majority of cases, it&#8217;s not done for a medical purpose, i.e., not done to preserve the life or health or the woman.  It&#8217;s done because the woman decides not to have a baby.</p>
<p>Many reasonable think abortion generally is the taking of an individual human life (I&#8217;m not one of them.)  MOST Americans think abortion after about 5 months is pretty damn sick and pretty damn evil.  The Supreme Court has spoken, and virtually all abortions are constitutionally protected.  But Ann Coulter does not get the community at Firedoglake to pay her book advance when she engages in constitutionally protected speech.  NRA members don&#8217;t get funding from the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence to support their constitutionally protected right to buy and carry guns.  And those who get abortions should use the power of the State, i.e., taxation on pain of jail, to coerce their neighbors to pay for the procedure.</p>
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		<title>By: dakine01</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/11/07/stupak-amendment-passes-64-dems-ask-for-primary-opponents/#comment-2012211</link>
		<dc:creator>dakine01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 00:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right.  So the way to do that is to cut out all medical care for pre-natal, blame the woman for having sex by forcing her to carry an unwanted baby and then leave her with no support system whatsoever once the child is born.  And yes, the woman has every right to fear abandonment as the actions of the &quot;righteous church-goer&quot; have often shown far more concern for the fetus than for the child after birth.

Don&#039;t try to lay any of your pseudo righteous guilt on me.  Cosmetic breast surgery is not something that I would have covered (although breast reconstruction after a mastectomy should be).  But you miss all the reasons why a woman might need an abortion, beyond the &#039;choice&#039;.  And cosmetic breast surgery is not being made more difficult to receive and blocking insurance companies from even offering it as part of the plans available

And how will you enforce it?  Make pregnant women stay locked up until the child is born?  Your self righteous sanctimony is as disgusting to me as you probably feel that I am for actually believing that all of this falls in the &quot;none-ya&quot; category.

So leave your &quot;calls&quot; in your church and keep them the hell away from the laws of the land.  Keep your beliefs where they do not infringe on the beliefs of those who belief differently than you do.  

I don&#039;t like to see my tax dollars spent for the death penalty, for wars of aggression against Iraq, for incarceration of people for non-violent crimes, for military weapons systems that were obsolete when the USSR dissolved.  You seem to miss the concept that we are ALL paying for things with our taxes that we don&#039;t agree with.  It comes with reality of life as a nation.  You get no more of an opportunity to ppick and choose than I do which is none.  Live with it and get over yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right.  So the way to do that is to cut out all medical care for pre-natal, blame the woman for having sex by forcing her to carry an unwanted baby and then leave her with no support system whatsoever once the child is born.  And yes, the woman has every right to fear abandonment as the actions of the &#8220;righteous church-goer&#8221; have often shown far more concern for the fetus than for the child after birth.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t try to lay any of your pseudo righteous guilt on me.  Cosmetic breast surgery is not something that I would have covered (although breast reconstruction after a mastectomy should be).  But you miss all the reasons why a woman might need an abortion, beyond the &#8216;choice&#8217;.  And cosmetic breast surgery is not being made more difficult to receive and blocking insurance companies from even offering it as part of the plans available</p>
<p>And how will you enforce it?  Make pregnant women stay locked up until the child is born?  Your self righteous sanctimony is as disgusting to me as you probably feel that I am for actually believing that all of this falls in the &#8220;none-ya&#8221; category.</p>
<p>So leave your &#8220;calls&#8221; in your church and keep them the hell away from the laws of the land.  Keep your beliefs where they do not infringe on the beliefs of those who belief differently than you do.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like to see my tax dollars spent for the death penalty, for wars of aggression against Iraq, for incarceration of people for non-violent crimes, for military weapons systems that were obsolete when the USSR dissolved.  You seem to miss the concept that we are ALL paying for things with our taxes that we don&#8217;t agree with.  It comes with reality of life as a nation.  You get no more of an opportunity to ppick and choose than I do which is none.  Live with it and get over yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: soyi50</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/11/07/stupak-amendment-passes-64-dems-ask-for-primary-opponents/#comment-2012210</link>
		<dc:creator>soyi50</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 00:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are called to protect the rights of the person in the womb whose right to life are imposed upon. Cosmetic breast enlargement is a medical procedure. Perhaps you want to pay that with tax dollars?

Abortion is being used as birth control. Usually, if a woman has to have one it&#039;s because she feels abandoned or fears abandonment if she has the baby.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are called to protect the rights of the person in the womb whose right to life are imposed upon. Cosmetic breast enlargement is a medical procedure. Perhaps you want to pay that with tax dollars?</p>
<p>Abortion is being used as birth control. Usually, if a woman has to have one it&#8217;s because she feels abandoned or fears abandonment if she has the baby.</p>
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		<title>By: soyi50</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/11/07/stupak-amendment-passes-64-dems-ask-for-primary-opponents/#comment-2012206</link>
		<dc:creator>soyi50</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 00:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because they oporate as a church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because they oporate as a church.</p>
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		<title>By: dakine01</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/11/07/stupak-amendment-passes-64-dems-ask-for-primary-opponents/#comment-2012036</link>
		<dc:creator>dakine01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 21:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because women&#039;s reproductive issues are health related and legal?

Why do so many insist that they can impose their religious views on others by requiring that abortions be the only legal medical procedure that is not covered?  Why should women have to pay for Viagra or Cialis pills for men?

Oh and it was the Catholic Bishops and the Fundamentalists who are imposing their moral views on the rest of us.  After all, no one is requiring you to get an abortion if you don&#039;t want one so how is abortion availability &quot;Using the coercive power of the state?&quot; Isn&#039;t legislation that requires a woman to do something against her will using the &quot;coercive power of the state to impose your personal beliefs on others?&quot;

Oh right.  It&#039;s always OK when you say it.

But nice straw argument on the bibles.  At least you&#039;re original with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because women&#8217;s reproductive issues are health related and legal?</p>
<p>Why do so many insist that they can impose their religious views on others by requiring that abortions be the only legal medical procedure that is not covered?  Why should women have to pay for Viagra or Cialis pills for men?</p>
<p>Oh and it was the Catholic Bishops and the Fundamentalists who are imposing their moral views on the rest of us.  After all, no one is requiring you to get an abortion if you don&#8217;t want one so how is abortion availability &#8220;Using the coercive power of the state?&#8221; Isn&#8217;t legislation that requires a woman to do something against her will using the &#8220;coercive power of the state to impose your personal beliefs on others?&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh right.  It&#8217;s always OK when you say it.</p>
<p>But nice straw argument on the bibles.  At least you&#8217;re original with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian77</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/11/07/stupak-amendment-passes-64-dems-ask-for-primary-opponents/#comment-2012035</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 21:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand the idea that public funding for abortion is a moral imperative.  Religious conservatives don&#039;t ask you to pay for their Bibles.  Why do you insist that they pay for your abortions?  It is you, and not religious conservatives, who are attempting to use the coercive power of the State to impose your personal beliefs on others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand the idea that public funding for abortion is a moral imperative.  Religious conservatives don&#8217;t ask you to pay for their Bibles.  Why do you insist that they pay for your abortions?  It is you, and not religious conservatives, who are attempting to use the coercive power of the State to impose your personal beliefs on others.</p>
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		<title>By: stopstupak</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/11/07/stupak-amendment-passes-64-dems-ask-for-primary-opponents/#comment-2012019</link>
		<dc:creator>stopstupak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t care if you&#039;re Pro-Life or Pro-Choice, you should have the ability to make your own decisions regarding your health care. If you don&#039;t want to support a Pro-Choice plan, take your credits elsewhere. But to eliminate the option entirely kills the American right of choice. 

http://www.stopstupak.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t care if you&#8217;re Pro-Life or Pro-Choice, you should have the ability to make your own decisions regarding your health care. If you don&#8217;t want to support a Pro-Choice plan, take your credits elsewhere. But to eliminate the option entirely kills the American right of choice. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.stopstupak.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.stopstupak.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: dbern</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/11/07/stupak-amendment-passes-64-dems-ask-for-primary-opponents/#comment-2011905</link>
		<dc:creator>dbern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because it is not politics to expain the teachings of the Catholic church.  It is not the Catholic tradition to preach politics from the pulpit - you have to look to protestants for that.  Politics should translate good morality that is not one church&#039;s view into laws that protect people.  You probably don&#039;t have a problem with a law against shooting people, why should you have a problem with a law against killing a baby?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because it is not politics to expain the teachings of the Catholic church.  It is not the Catholic tradition to preach politics from the pulpit &#8211; you have to look to protestants for that.  Politics should translate good morality that is not one church&#8217;s view into laws that protect people.  You probably don&#8217;t have a problem with a law against shooting people, why should you have a problem with a law against killing a baby?</p>
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		<title>By: sasha</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/11/07/stupak-amendment-passes-64-dems-ask-for-primary-opponents/#comment-2011889</link>
		<dc:creator>sasha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also.  I would like to know why those Catholic churches who spent weeks telling their parishioners to support the Stupak amendment still have an income tax exemption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also.  I would like to know why those Catholic churches who spent weeks telling their parishioners to support the Stupak amendment still have an income tax exemption.</p>
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