Thanks for this Peterr.

And of course, if abortion is made de-facto illegal and available only to the rich, soon thereafter, we will hear the stories about how bad it is with all these poor people having babies they can’t afford and why should the gov’t do anything to help those damn breeders out.

As others have noted, I’m not real happy about a lot of things that are paid for by my taxes but I damn sure don’t toss a hissy-fit over it. But maybe that’s the key – go to Stupak’s office and toss a fit over things (which would most likely lead to my arrest and a spell in jail)

The ugly reality is that the rich can completely ignore all the fundy proscriptions on abortion. If their kid needs an abortion, they fly wherever and get it. That fundy stuff designed to wreck a psyche doesn’t apply to them.

Yeah, I’ve got a long list of things that I’d rather my tax money didn’t go to support, too.

Sadly, some of them are supposed to be illegal already (warrantless wiretaps and torture, just to name two).

Same as it ever was. I grew up in a small town and I know that there were abortions performed in those days where the girl didn’t want to “visit her auntie in another state for 6-8 months”

thank you peterr.

You have to realize, that Stupack as a member of the “family” and previous resident of the C street house, made famous by Ensign and Coburn, only want abortion services for their adulterous girl friends (those with boy friends don’t have to worry about that). As a Gyno, I wonder if Coburn provides those services for the chosen. No one should be shocked at these people beleiving they live by a different set of rules than the sheep. That is one of the founding precepts of the “family”.

As most of us in left blogistan know, abortion is the ever-ready dog whistle to rile up the base into incendiary rage “against” something that our corporate overlords don’t like. The corporations, in this case Big Ins & Big Pharma, don’t want to lose the millions upon millions that they are ripping off of citizens/the system via a badly out of whack insurance system. So they wave the shiney object of abortion out there knowing the reliable reaction from the teabagging wingnuts. And of course, hand-in-glove corporate owned media will gin up the volume on the tiny little astroturfed tea parties to make it seem more well attended and important than it is.

Anyone who has ever worked for Planned Parenthood (equally demonized by the fundies and C Street Family, etc) or an abortion clinic or known someone who has, knows full well that the middle to upper class fundies seek abortions all the frickin’ time either for themselves, their daughters, their sisters or their girlfriends (and often, they are already married and seeking abortions for mistress one or two or three).

I worked for a law firm in the central valley of CA (eg, the Bible Belt of CA). When the American Bar Assoc came out many years ago in support of Roe v. Wade, most of the lawyers in that firm made this big hairy deal out of quitting the ABA, and some even burned their stupid membership cards. The firm was big on being this fundie-based place, and even had Bible study groups at lunch time (I think illegally or at least borderline).

Most of the attorneys there were married but had girlfriends on the side, and it was very well known that quite a few of these mistresses had had at least one abortion, if not 2 or 3, paid for by the attorney.

It was quite insane.

These guys (mostly all white male lawyers in this firm at that time) would all happily be members of the C Street Family (and quite likely their churches are tied into all of that). They certainly firmly believed in total double standards; saw no problem with one set of rules for them and a completely different set of rules for others; were racist bigoted sexist creeps; and so on.

Yes, I am glad not to work there anymore!! But sad to say, there are a LOT of people, including women, who operate this way. In that same town, I had a friend who worked for Planned Parenthood, and she saw many women picketing out front shrieking out the most vile stuff at the women coming in for abortions. But then next week, these same women would be sneaking in the back door to get one for themselves or for their high school age daughter. And then the week after that, they’d be right out front again with the nasty signs and the ugly language.

It goes on widely and all the time. I do not understand or comprehend this behavior. I don’t like it, but I “get” why corporate CEOs want to rip me off. This other stuff, though, is bizarre to me. It sucks, but it’s all too common, in my opinion. It’s tough to fight it because the level of outrageous denial is very, very strong, as well as being quite endorsed by these churches.

We live in a broken, sick and very dysfunctional society.

So much for the fake religion of antiabortion, instead of fighting for the disadvantaged, poverty and injustice. Sadly most progressives are not too far behind in the fake game. They will fight against wars and health care, but will seldom, if at all, mention the disadvantaged, poverty and injustice.

I helped pay for a D&C back in the 80s when I was a grad student for the first time. It was performed at an OB/GYN office for a cost of $350 in 1984. No insurance involved.

Since my COBRA benefits have run out I’ve used Planned Parenthood for primary medical care – I needed a prescription for an ACE inhibitor renewed. I paid $5.00 for the visit and full routine blood work (kidney/liver, blood sugar, lipid panel). Planned parenthood has a long track record of subsidized reproductive health services as well (in fact they gave me 4 dozen condoms at that visit).

In places where abortion is available I’d expect the impact of Stupak will be minimal. Lack of insurance is not the problem today, the biggest problem is finding facilities and physicians that will privide the services.

Morally and ethically it is wrong to separate reproductive health from other health care.

He’s oh so Dickensian.