The metaphor—whether born of intent or ignorance—was bad enough. Anyone who was doing something other than drawing pony pictures in their 6th Grade civics book will recall that you don’t fire until you see the whites of their eyes. As in, fire your gun. It is a command, attributed to American officer William Prescott, from the Battle of Bunker Hill. It is about shooting at your enemy from a distance where you can be more sure of actually killing them. And the metaphor was made a little too fleshy when Bachmann instructed her adoring rabble to flood the halls of Congress and confront her opponents—which, to Bachmann’s mind, is pretty much all Democrats, and a goodly number of Republicans, too.
And, flood they did. While there were no muskets leveled, there were plenty of reports of harassment. Bachmanniacs crowded congressional offices, yelled at staff, interfered with business, and, in at least one case that I have heard about, physically accosted a member of the House. (The Representative declined to press charges and would prefer to move on and focus on the people’s business, so I will leave the story there.) All this, remember, at the urging of Rep. Michele Bachmann and other congressional colleagues that joined her rally “press conference”—US Representatives such as Rules Committee member Virginia Foxx, Minority Whip Eric Cantor, and Minority Leader John Boehner.
Stupid and ugly by itself, but here’s a simple, broader point: Ms. Bachmann is a member of Congress. Boehner and Cantor are leaders of the House Republicans. They all have the power and position to confront other members of Congress any day of the week. If they want to debate about the merits of health care reform, they not only have the ability, they have the proximity, access, permission, and responsibility to do just that. . . in Congress!
But—and I hope this point is indeed simple, simple enough for the Democrats in Congress and the White House to notice—Bachmann’s super bowl of nuts chose not to engage in deliberative debate and neighborly negotiation. Instead, Bachmann, Boehner, Cantor, et al.—with the ready help of Dick Armey and the astroturfing organizers at Americans for Prosperity—have chosen to implore others to terrorize their political opponents. The strategy is to scare the other side into inaction, to politically paralyze with fear, to keep angry, indeed violently angry, people who don’t have the position or power that the Republican Representatives have, up in the faces of public servants who are actually trying to get something done.
If you are a Democrat, say, in the House, and you know that the leadership of the GOP, in the House, has organized a mob with the express purpose of terrorizing you, well, how inclined would you be to work with them? Hell, how inclined should you be? They, the Republicans, are making it publicly clear, they don’t want to work with Democrats; they want to make their lives miserable, and throw enough garbage onto the path of progress so that the Democrats eventually trip.
So, loyal Democrats, true public servants, elected representatives of the people’s will, keep this in mind (because I hear you say stuff like this all the time): you don’t negotiate with terrorists. The GOP is out to unravel the system; I am counting on you, members of the Democratic caucus, and all lovers of democracy, to defend it. Ignore the stampede, don’t step in the dung, keep your hand on Constitution (preamble and all), and your eyes on the prize. Pass healthcare reform with a robust public option, and you can say: we didn’t let the terrorists win.
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Just be sure to include John Voight in the whackos…..Really awful.
I’m irritated at the anonymous Congressman who declined to press charges. Appeasement only whets the wingnuts’ appetite to go further.
And why hasn’t Bachmann been censured for leading a mob onto Capitol Hill?
Finally, “Let It Ride” is one of my all-time favorite songs, so kudos for the thread title.
Clever boy.
And really, that performance yesterday could be called art.
Surely there is some ethical rule about leading a mob against the legislative process.
If you are a Democrat, say, in the House, and you know that the leadership of the GOP, in the House, has organized a mob with the express purpose of terrorizing you, well, how inclined would you be to work with them?
I may not be an official member of the FDL hard-ass club (I prefer “occasionally irascible wise-ass”), but I think that I will nonetheless disqualify myself from answering that one.
From Beck to Bachmann in one night. The question to answer on today’s pop quiz is – Who is more fucked up and why?
all the wacko stuff is a little disturbing. What will happen one day if some Dem invites a few thousand of his friends the same time as the Tea Baggers are around? Maybe we should stand facing them but then some of the really far out folks carry guns.
Who is more fucked up and why?
fwiw – I think that Beck is acting to a large extent.
Bachmann is who she is.
Multiple choice, right?
Maybe you should call a few of your friends to visit Michelle and her mentors and express a little outrage. How about a few thousand?
Why are these GOP whackjobs allowed to incite violence against fellow public officials without any intervention from law enforcement. I know how fond they are of using tasers. At least they would have a reason to use them at a rally full of rabid dogs.
The saddest part of these teabag get togethers is that they are made up of confused old white folks and some mentally unstables.
And…
On C-Span2 right now, the Rules Committee is STILL at it. And guess what – Jon Walker is in his sixth straight hour of tweet updates…
I have no idea whatsoever what you’re talking about.
No, open ended question.
Hellz yeah! Far be it for me to go OT in my own thread, but I, too, really want to give a big shout out to Jon–he has actually been liveblogging the Rules Committee hearing on the House health care bill since 2pm EST!
I have had it on in the background all day–and it is a sight to behold at times–but Jon has been paying close attention for over ten hours with only one real break.
The tree of Liberty…
I believe that are quoting the Ten Commandments, or something. Surely that would excuse any violence that might ensue.
Au contraire jayt, you’re a charter member.
I read that thing 5 hours ago, then switched over to KO and Rachel.
They sure are giving the Goopers every opportunity to be
constructiveobstructive.And glad to hear your boy is ok.
HEY! If I was a member of Congress and boner or any of the others followed me around wanting to talk I’d ignore them, and that is probably why they say no one will listen to them.
all I really know is the quite obvious: for the entire duration of the vicious, disgusting, indefensible Bush administration, any D who stood up to argue a single point which W hadn’t commanded, that D was immediately shouted down as un-American and a traitor.
And in 2009, as the R’s creep inexorably toward true treason and insurrection, no one is saying a godddamned word.
I believe in the principles of the Democratic Party – I just don’t believe in Democrats any more.
Spineless fucks.
Or maybe they’re just classier than am I.
hiya eg! – thanks for the note the other day – appreciated it.
The Dick Armey mission-statement.
What’s amazing is–contrary to the stupidbowl of freedom–there is actually real debate going on in the rules committee. Jon, Kagro, and powwow have noticed this, too. Most of this does not belong in a Rules hearing, but there is real meat in here. While I don’t agree with powwow’s conclusions that this belongs on the floor tomorrow (it would be a disaster–you would not see an honest discussion, and you could see some very dangerous horse trading that would result in some very bad votes that might blow this whole thing sky high), I have to ask, why can’t we see this kind of discussion at an earlier stage? This is the kind of debate we should have been having in May.
Yeah, I remember when Democrats were real sumsabitches who could take care of bidness….and pick up a dog by its ears. Then the Dixicrat flip-flop occurred and now the Republicans are jerks and the Dems are weakknees. It boggles…..it really does.
Yes, and while people are staying behind the expected barriers of their partisan leanings, it is a very public process.
She is so damn pathetic I have a hard time getting worked-up about her
antics.
In fact, almost every time I have seen her on the public stage, I have felt embarrased for her.
Unlike Palin, I don’t think she poses any threat to the Republic.
We have a reactionary mob of racist, teabag thugs who want to shut down democracy. For eight years the teabaggers got to intimidate and threaten dissidents. They now use terrorist tactics while claiming giving people health care is itself terrorism. They were bussed into town by corporate lobbyists.
The corporations are at war against the people.
Bachmann is missing Her calling, she would be much better replacing EVIRA hosting HORROR movies. SHE COULD FIT THE PART.
It might help if we had leaders in each house who were better at charging forward than they are at retreating.
My kingdom for an LBJ in the Capitol….
Reminder: Viet Nam!
before he was president, LBJ was quite possibly the baddest Senate Majority Leader in history. That’s what I meant.
(I said “Capitol”, not “Capital”)
I think that his cowboy boots actually were put to use a few times. *g*
Bart Stupak is blowing up the whole HC bill right now because he wants Hyde language in the bill or nothing. Doing the bidding of the religious right and the GOP. I am beside myself.
Yep.
“Sanctity of life…”
What a complete whackjob.
what is “Hyde language”?
Civil Riights 1964, Medicare, space race…….and, yeah, VietNam…..which also belongs to Nixon, who deferred the pull out til after his second election.
Hyde Amendment
And this does not come close to doing justice to the fuckery that is being spoken in this hearing.
Stupak=C Street=hypocrisy
Henry Hyde = Hypocrite/Philanderer
Speaking of terrorist infiltrators, here’s a goofy hack on MSNBC. The tweet goes on. NSFW if you haven’t already seen it…
MSNBC Having A Bad Friday (NSFW)
Chris Smith (Fundy-Whackjob-Fuckhead-NJ): “Abortion is not health care.”
Have you read Robert Caro’s multi-volume bio of LBJ? It is excellent. In Caro’s opinion LBJ was the greatest Majority Leader in the history of the Senate. Caro does an superb job in making a strong case for that opinion.
It is too bad LBJ didn’t stay put in the Senate.
thanks – that’s what i was guessing.
So Stupak wants to overturn Roe via a bullshit amendment to a national healthcare bill?
Primary this sorry motherfucker, whether he prevails or not.
In unsurprising false equivalency news, Washington Week ran clips of John Boehner addressing teabaggers and Nancy Pelosi at a press conference making the following statements, then the panel discussed them as if they were equally valid sides of the debate…
Yes–thanks. Stupak wants absurdly strict rules prohibiting any public option from helping pay for abortions, the way Henry Hyde stopped current federal health programs from helping with payments for these services over two decades ago.
I agree that Michelle Bachmann is, well, dangerous is a word that comes to mind. But, could someone claify something for me please ? IS this really still in the House bill ?
Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses. Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual:
• Section 7203 – misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.
• Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.” [page 3]
Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/06/house-health-bill-obama-m_n_348208.html&cp
Isn’t that a bit, well excessive ? I don’t have health insuraance at the moment for two reasons. 1. A pre-exisiting condition and 2. I simply cannot afford what my employer offers. I have been fighting diligently for a Public Option but I certainly don’t want to go to jail for being, well..poor.
Am I woefully ignorant? Has this been stripped from the bill or is it really a fair thing to impose on people that are just making ends meet ?
They are very close now to supporting a ban on contraception. Their reasoning, of course, is preemptive abortion. I kid you not – they are pushing that down the road as we speak.
I don’t know about the House bill. I watched the SFC hearings, and I believe that it has been striped there.
Disgusting. Is it pitchfork time yet?
The Pennsylvania Mutiny of 1783- Third Confederation Congress [or why Congress created Washington, D.C.]
On June 20, 1783 Independence Hall in Philadelphia was mobbed by up to 400 soldiers demanding payment of belated wages. The soldiers blockaded the doorway and would not let the Confederation Congress delegates to leave. Alexander Hamilton, the delegate from New York, persuaded them to let Congress meet later to discuss the issue. The soldiers then allowed the members of Congress to adjourn that afternoon. Secretly in the evening Hamilton called a special Committee to draft a message to the Pennsylvania State Council, demanding they call out loyal militia to protect Congress from the mutineers. They threatened Congress would move to a safer city if the Council did not deal with the crisis.
The following day, Hamilton’s Congressional committee at Independence Hall with the Pennsylvania Executive Council, including its president, John Dickinson. The Congressional delegates reiterated the need to do more to protect the Congress. The Pennsylvanians stated that they would meet with the militia commanders andask them to withdraw by the next day. The next morning however, the Pennsylvania Council again refused Congress’ request to provide security.The members of Congress left Philadelphia that day for Princeton, New Jersey.
Congress completed its session at Princeton by early November 1783. The official capital was then moved to Annapolis [November 1783], and then to Trenton, New Jersey [November 1784], and finally to New York City [ January 1785]. In 1787 that delegates decided to meet again in Philadelphia for the Constitutional Convention.
Pennsylvania’s failure to protect the Congress in 1783 was a primary reason why the framers created a federal district, distinct from the states, where Congress could provide for its own security, Constitutionally granting the Congress power “to exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States”. In 1788, the delegates agreed to keep New York City as the temporary capital. In 1790 Pennsylvania, convinced a relunctant Congress to return to Philadelphia while Washington, D.C. was being built. In a final abortive effort to convince Congress to retain the capital in Philadelphia, the city began construction on a new Presidential palace and an expansion to Congress Hall. However, on May 14, 1800 the Federal government finally departed Philadelphia .
Straightjackets.
Which tiptoes around the edge of what they would really like… prohibition of contraception, abortion, and abstinence for Caucasian Americans and mandatory contraception and abortion for everybody else.
Also more government funding for research in the promising field of phrenology.
Excellent!
Kathy Dahlkemper’s argument: S-CHIP doesn’t allow abortion coverage, so why should any federal law NOT contribute to limiting abortions?
Education. Education. Education.
Someone Democrat please ask: “Can we agree that the health care system in Freedonia is a model for the rest of the world?”
Stupak wants to ban all abortion paid for by either Federal money contributed to public options OR to the private insurance plans offered through exchanges!!! If this passes it’s el finito.
Duck Soup and cover…
:-)
Calling it a night. Adieu to all.
I want an NRA for abortion and contraception. A strong STRONG lobbying arm.
They are very close now to supporting a ban on contraception.
I would argue that a ban on contraception is violative of the First Amendment, in that it a) violates the ban on establishment of religion, and b) is a ban on freedom of speech (which is often expressed interchangeably as “freedom of expression”.
Which is not to mention that the government has no business legislating morality, and that I wish that these old white men would cease trying to stop the rest of us from fucking.
I would like to check Stupak’s birth certificate. My guess is that the last two letters in his name have been changed.
Jon succinctly explains the crap that just went down in Rules.
IIANM, The Hyde Amendment is violotive (violotive?) of these same principles.
nite ratfood
Evenin Pups, gotta read back but, lemme say this about that:
Randy Bachman is turning over in his grave, that Michelle has his name.
And he ain’t dead.
Loved BTO.
HATE Michelle B-
1) Boner reads the wrong passage from the wrong document as he professes to be a leader of our constitution and whips out his pocket rocket to do so.
2) The Baggers impalin themselves on the swords of the wrong office for Speaker Pelosi.
3-4K in a protest in DC at The Capital, is NOT a sig showing. The Girl Scouts have turned out more there in targeted Senate and House Cookie Drives!
FAIL.
On all counts.
Do NOT hesitate to rub it in, abuse the snark, and make sure EVERYONE you talk to knows how badly they failed.
And continue to do so.
BatShitCrazed. Bachmanbatshitcrazed. MalMichelle. All of them. Bat. Shit. Crazy.
And proving it daily.
it’s our duty to support their public displays, and ensure that the MSM covers it in full force, and alludes to every, last, little, detail, the batshits continue to fuck up, time after time (apologies to Cyndi Lauper).
I wish they’d all just ascend, ya know?
That’d pure the earth a bit.
And now to read comments.
Harumph. ;-)
Bad art. U can call it anything you want. But it’s bad. *G*
Worst. Street. Theatre. Evah.
My god Mario Savio is rollin in HIS Grave, Face Palm
Worst, Street, Theatre, Evah.
Huckster vaudeville acts sellin Dr. Feelgood were better entertainment, and made more sense, and were better led and organized.
Sigh.
Is there a line in there that bans Viagra/Cialis?
They used this same argument against SCHIP…and tried to take out contraception, too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxcJS2WC6eg
http://aspe.hhs.gov/health/schip2/ReportSTLevel.asp?page=12
You can’t compare the two!
No way!!
Beck was a hard edged driving git picker that led the lead to the fusion of rock and jazz in Beckola.
Bacnman was the leader of Guess Who, a GREAT pop band, and BTO, one of the best rock bands at the time.
Apples and oranges.
Can’t compare.
No. In fact, the money for a statue of Jenna Jameson is still in there.
Do we have a summary as to what the hayall is gonna go down tomorrow?
And that other Family Values Advocate, Miss Carrie Prejean, got busted for making a sex tape — all alone, but at least not ‘opposite’ sex —- so she should become a congressional representative..and soon!
I love those ambidextrous pageant girls!
so the new morality has been
thrust upon us“handed” down.Masturbation – peachy.
Sex with another human being? You fucking pervert!
“The corporations are at war against the people.”
Frank, it’s been a long war.
Going back to at LEAST the 1890’s.
And we the people are still losing.
Sigh.
KO had a ball with this tonight.
With all the screw ups running the country, it’s time to give thanks for a real national treasure: Bill Moyers.
If you missed seeing The Good War on his show tonight, look for it on the web. And thank you to all of you who served this country honorably…..even when it was hard. And let’s elect better people whenever we can.
missed it.
pretty much thought that masturbation was a republican family value.
on edit: well, maybe not *family*
Only the wimmin. Blowjobs are the men’s province.
Are you kidding? Republicans hate anything sexual, which is why they are all so brain-crazy. Illicit sex is more their style. Masturbation makes you go blind, haven’t you heard. And grows hair on your palms.
oh newt,
this makes me and mrce crazy, just crazy!
Masturbation is for those that cannot afford staff.
me too
me too
And grows hair on your palms.
have you seen the price on razor blades these days?
fuckin’ republicans.
on edit; errr – *non* fucking republicans…
Who is they? House? Senate? RightwingTards?
This is major suckage as far as democracy goes.
You got ME concerned.
Job creation! And really, nice furry palms……hmmm…..kinky!
At the very least, Bachmann should face censure for her reckless and irresponsible actions. Inciting mob violence with hyperbolic violent rhetoric should not be condoned from sitting members of the House of Representatives. She is responsible for what the idiot sheeple rabble did after heeding her call.
She is nothing more than a God damned traitor and should be treated as such.
I never thought that I would have to re-fight for contraception. We won this in 1970 when Planned Parenthood came to campus — so depressing.
I wonder if they got the idea from The Vatican setup?
Greatest movie ever. Evah.
Evah.
If I say a state, I will be wrong – Kansas, or Missouri, or Kentucky, or one of the Dakotas… one of those. The goal is to drive a case to the Supremes.
They don’t expect to win (and frankly, they hope they don’t – it will signal the end of the Republican Party), but they want to chip away some more.
Hell, the majority of Catholics support the use of contraception! Catholics!
Don’t look at me, I ain’t goin’ nowhere near your staff ! *g*
And all these Republicans in Congress with teenage girls — heh heh — good luck with that!
Can’t say I blame ‘em … every time I see Bill Bennett, I wish contraception could be retroactive …
Military schools have a lot to offer a growing young man…
They’re just blowin’ smoke … er … grasping at Straws … um … I’ll stop now … *g*
Oh! Good one!
you funny!
Hey you guys, Eureka is up now
I’ve been in this mood for 2 weeks now, so staying away from all the v. serious threads this week, lest I get into trouble …
How are you, Christine ?
I’ve been ill with a sinus infection , and working all the time. I’m swearing off news. And you?
Great, ‘cept for the crappy weather. We’re in for a nice weekend though … might fire up the BBQ one last time.
Feel better!
Do BBQ — cooking is love!
Thanks newt! I have been DENIED medication from my great insurance co. WTF?
K, I’ll add some goodies on the Grill for your cold.
That and a double Cognac ought to do the trick ! *g*
Vodka martini waiting for me tomorrow! Boy, Canada introduced me to a new love!
WTF ?!! Hammer them in the media … write letters, call into TV Talk shows, etc.
Exact your pound of Flesh !
I prefer those too … not a fan of Gin meself …
I told Medical Mutual rep and the pharmacist this morning (same phone call) that I should be there with a torch to burn their building down. Silence ensued…
Uh, translate that for me will ya?
That ain’t all that succinct to me.
Rattles my head.
Boil it down, Gregg, one more level, please?
She used BOTH hands?
We won’t know for SURE until it shows up on Stern.
Oh. Ok, your original comment had me MUCH more worried than this.
Thanks.
Roe v. Wade, like Brown v. Board Of Ed, are ALWAYS under threat.
And always will be, as long as real democracy survives.
But damn, I’d sure like to see them others bred out or die off or get deported for ignorance.
And I know that ain’t what democracy is all about, but shit, they suck more than we do.
Ya know?
Sigh, just being mean tonight. The bastids bring it out in me.
I’d be HAPPY with secession, send them all to Alabama. Or Georgia.
Into the swamps, with them all, who NEEDS cages in Colorado XE has to monitor!
(damn I’m bad tonite)
WELL now, THAT was a Spartan like response.
Corporal William Bennett. I like the sound of that.
Gin, light vermouth, olive, and onion.
Shaken.
Vodka is potato whiskey, it’s for peasants.
*G*
*G*
Dang yer fun.
ROFL … Larue !
Corporal Glenn Beck
Corporal Bill O’Reilly.
Corporal Michelle Malkin.
Let them talk about who is patriotic now.
Lemme be firm and manly resolved, and stiffened in my response about this matter.
I don’t think you think Spartan means what I think Spartan means.
*G*
And Upstairs We Climb.
For further wanton banter and inane idealogies.
*G*
I bow to your wow, as always Petro . . .
*bows*
But she and Palin have the same kind of appeal in some ways. What is it? They are anti-genuine-feeiing and empathyless women but they are women with a lot of histrionic emotionalism that draws and compels with the authoritarian followers. Playing “just plain folks” maybe? She is so reckless and unbelievable and I wonder if the horror the Left has for her is her main appeal to the Right? She is like a female answer to Joe McCarthy. Boehner is just plain scary and seems so vacuous, but at the same time that bullying confidence, and those declarations of absoluteness.
I think they are both very dangerous people. Anything goes with these people, and the fact that the rest of the Repub party falls in line, and the Dems watch these maniacs like they are paralyzed in fascination by a cobra. Instead of getting on with business.
Gonna make post midnight calls to Reps asking for Kucinich amendment put back.
Narcissism- if she had a mirror. Auto-lesbianism. Then again I bet she was “making love to the camera” which Is called LENS-bianism.
It was only a matter of time before these clowns invested the Capitol and tried to physically intimidate the Congress. There will be more of this as HCR comes to final votes.
Well, if Michelle can demonstrate in the Dem offices, then maybe someone should do the same to her. The idea is to show some support in the same way the Tea Baggers are supporting the repugs.
The question then becomes: how should we respond to the intimidation of the dems? If the repugs can delay this thing to next year, then can kill it just like in 94.The reason is simple. Congress has other things to do after the new year other than debate health care. Then once you are in the spring all attention turns to the coming election and the primaries.It may be now or never.
It was far less that four thousand.