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Kerry said the group was trying to broaden support for a climate plan and “achieve the obviously all-important goal of getting 60 votes” that are needed to overcome a filibuster in the Senate.
Although Kerry said the group’s push wouldn’t interfere with work by six Senate panels on the issue, it was a tacit acknowledgment that the leading measure — a bill he introduced with Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif. — is too controversial to pass.
That legislation has already stalled in Boxer’s Environment and Public Works Committee, where panel Republicans have boycotted two days of meetings in a bid to force a new federal analysis of the bill’s potential price tag.
Early Morning Swim: Al Gore Discusses GOP Global Warming Denialists with Rachel Maddow |
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| By: Blue Texan Thursday November 5, 2009 4:38 am | |
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The party of NO is doing a pretty good job, and the Ds seem to be chasing their tails.
Once again Blanche Lincoln seems to be swimming in the wrong swimmin hole.
democracynow is going to have the prosecutor in the Italian case where the CIA agents were convicted.
al gore
possibly the greatest president ever elected, shame he never got to serve
here’s an interview, someone on the torture squad;
she’s got only a portion right
the real price was paid by the victims not the criminals, there is no defense she can hide behind “I was given orders”
the real price was paid by the LOSS of information, it was paid by how the program UNDERMINED success
the real price is the FACT that we CREATED terrorists and ENEMIES against our cause and our nation
Gore / Lieberman
Wonder why that didn’t work out?
Al Gore said that we should still try to reach out to those, such as Inhofe and Steele. Why? Why waste time and energy on complete [insert your favorite dissing word here] like Steele and Inhofe? People who are that dishonest and stupid should be called out for the buffoons that they are so that we can spend our time and Energy working with people who show at least a spark of sense.
With Liarman on the ticket I had a hard time pulling that lever but then I looked at the other alternative.
Morning Mika slammin’ Elijah Cummings. “Keepin’ it real.”
Hey, Mika, how ’bout those leftward tilts in Congressional races? How ’bout the unbroken pattern of Virginia voting. How ’bout… not drivin’ me away when I’ve just started tuning in more because FoxImus is such rightwing drivel these days?
Mornin’, BT, pups
The oil men lurvs ‘em some Inhofe.
Poor widdle deSousa. Criminal was betrayed by a bigger criminal. Is there no honor among theives? (Rhetorical Q)
Clips of deSousa interview now on democracynow. Whine whine whine.
Scott Horton up on democracynow.
She’s just upset cuz she can’t go to Italy to buy shoes any more.
I am deeply concerned about how we deal with climate issues. Cap and Trade is rather popular on Wall Street (the hedgers and GS-ers that is) as the way it is now penciled out, it’s a brand new state-sponsored derivatives game.
Real reform would include:
- real taxes on fuel and low milage cars
- natural gas and alternatives for heating, real subsisdies for such, etc
- direct ‘pay to polute’ instead of this cap and trade nonsense
Don’t hold your breath tho
As we know from Condi, Ferragamo has outlets in NYC.
Italy also makes phenomenal world class yachts.
Head of U.S. Rome embassy was not included because of diplomatic immunity. Prosecutor may appeal that ruling, once he sees the judge’s reasoning.
Italy also makes phenomenal world class yachts.
sounds like a decent b-day present.
(although last year’s 11-5 was a lot more fun than this year’s)
Mornin’ all.
Morning BT and all.
Didn’t one Democrat take notes on how to frame the issue regarding filibuster?
When it came time to shove alito and roberts up ours, the filibuster didn’t pose a problem. Because we see the filibuster wasn’t used when the dems had 50 seats, it could just be we’re being lied to, again.
Happy birthday, jayt! Any big plans?
Kabuki
thanks – plans mostly include trying to forget that I’m having another one… *g*
Fugitives can be arrested in Europe, but not elsewhere because Italian govt would not send a notification to Interpol.
Happy your day, jayt. I have to agree with your assessment, too.
Naw, man, the object of the exercise is to collect as many as possible.
Happy Annual Day jayt.
Well, have a great denial day, then!
No shit, people are doggin me about 60, who cares??
Abu Amar received a $2.3 million award, and is launching a civil suit where Scott Horton thinks he’ll get a $10 million damages award. Collecting, of course, would be another matter.
Around klynn’s casa we celebrate anniversaries of our 29th b-day!
Have a great anniversary!
There’s an horrific story coming out of Lakeland, which is north of me. Parents allowed a 5 month old girl starve to death. Lots of food, and beer, in the house but no formula. She weighed 6 lbs when she was found after parents called 911. My smallest tiger weighs more than that. Five other children in the home, apparently all healthy. Father admits to fathering a total of 10 children. He’s 27.
where’s bmaz?
would be interesting to get his take on whether, and more especially *where* the 23 might be subject to arrest.
That is truly awful. Don’t understand those cases.
According to the Italian prosecutor, only in Europe. See my 23. IANAL, so I cannot critique prosecutor’s statement.
With Berlusconi basically saying FU to the courts don’t think there will be any arrest warrants issued anytime soon.
oops – missed it – thanks.
But according to the prosecutor, the fugitives can be arrested in Europe regardless of whether Berlusconi coopersates. Again, IANAL, but I suspect it may have to do with the EU.
my thoughts exactly, I sure hope marcy and the bmazter are gonna be on this like…errrr…errrr
STUPID ON REPUBLICANS!!!!
got a new one right there didn’t I
That exchange about the criticism of Gore from the right that he can’t be believed because he is invested in green tech. WTF??? Isn’t being able to spend your money how you want the conservatives’ very definition of freedom? By those lights, the oil companies would also have to STFU about energy policy. And all those daddy warbucks companies would have to stop saber rattling. And Big Pharma, Big Insurance and the AMA would have to STFU about health care reform.
What ever happened to putting your money where your mouth is?
That one goes on the list.
Happy Birthday, Jayt!
Morning, all.
Good one! Must be used.
Seems to me that there is an international anti-torture statute out there (cursory research didn’t make it very clear which one), that all countries who are signatories have the duty to apprehend those who are in violation of the statute if those persons are found to be within their borders.
IIRC, that’s part of the Geneva conventions and is the push behind the case in Spain. Don’t know how the Italian case relates to that.
thank you – but you’re gonna need more candles… *s*
heh.
I think they will always rant b/c Gore is the contrast, the conscience beside stupid W. Remember when he was criticized for “sighs” during the debate? Sighs, for crying out loud….lucky it wasn’t outright laughter with cries of Liar, Liar, you stupid drug addict.
In hindsight, it is not clear how VP Gore tolerated those hours of sham with lying W, the man who wanted an “humble” foreign policy. Liar…and now he is out teaching interpersonal skills…he should team with Sarah Palin. (Sorry, too early, I know.)
Hey, jayt! Many happy returns of the day.
Here’s a little gift.
It’s not a yacht, but might be more useful.
OK. Off to finish raking. Be well.
Hmm…url is not showing here. Show’s in edit, though. Too early for me to figure it out. Sorry.
New data released that new unemployment claims falling to lowest level in ten months.
Off to swim in the great capitalist cesspool.
US KIA Irak: 4359
US KIA Afghanistan: 912
US MBS 2009: 38.192
Be good yourselves, and all other living things.
Namaste
Oh, my. Those debates were painful. Especially the analysis afterward. I kept thinking Did these folks watch the same arguments that I just did? It’s when I realized that I see things very differently than a lot of others.
I thought the goal was to, ya know, address the fucking problem.
Thanks for the post, BT.
Good morning all.
Good Morning,
Hap, Hap, Happy Birth-day !
you’re looking all bad ass fabulous
we’re gonna need a bigger bowflex !
oooh, speakin’ of fabulous . . . good mornin’ scooter boy
Good morning, CBL
Happy birthday, jayt!
HAPPPYYYYYYYY BIRTHDAYYYYYY…..22222222222…..uuuuuuuuuuUUUUUUUuuuuu
where or where is the al gore of 2002-2006? i admired that al gore so very much.
current version? not so much.
the so-called climate change legislation going through congress right now is a corporate boondoggle and not a science based bill. the war on science continues, this time advanced by democrats.
lots of good stuff from james hansen here:
http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/
happy bday jayt!
Worst decision Al Gore ever made. Liarman may have done more to cost Gore the election than Karl Rove.
I “hear” you, but I think the worst decision he ever made was conceding defeat to W so quickly and not pushing for more ballot counting, as Al Franken did this year in MN.
Why Gore found it accepted to “quit” so quickly – allegedly in the name of “healing” for the country – has always been a big sticking point for me. He permitted the devastation of this country by not fighting harder to be POTUS, which he was fairly elected to be.
I like Gore, but I also agree w/a different prior post, in that I think, once again, he is conceding to corporate big interests on the current bill. Gore seems like a “good” man, but he’s not strong enough or something to really be as effective and productive as one would like.
What is it with Democrats. Republicans tend to be the most venal bottom dwelling jerks, but they fight & fight & fight for what they “believe” in. Seems to me that Dems are more into going along to get along. I get that some wars are won incrementally battle by battle, but for a guy who puts himself out there as extremely concerned about climate issues, he seems to cave in too much.
Offa the soap box now… onwards into the day ahead.
Agree. Gore utterly failed to enlist the support of his millions of backers in the Recount period, thus leaving the playing field of public influence to the highly motivated Bushistas and their skillful players like Jim Baker while they organized Brooks Bros mobs to shut down lawful vote counting activity. Our side got the dull aging lawyer Warren Christopher, and an overt attitude from Al Gore that said he didn’t want to rile up the masses with street protests which could get out of hand as he decided to make his recount approach solely one of a battle in the literal courtroom.
Interesting to consider what his running mate’s position might have been had Gore toughened up in the PR dept as much as the Repubs did. Liarman in his later memoir said he was privately one of those urging a more robust position in the Recount battle, yet other behavior in that campaign suggests he might have tried to backstab Gore had he actually tried the hardball approach.
Gore: He reminds me a bit of Humphrey: basically a good, decent liberal who would have done good progressive things as president, but who didn’t have the cojones or sufficiently well-honed political instincts to do the things necessary to get elected.