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	<title>Comments on: NY Bankruptcy Court Wipes out MERS-Registered Mortgage; New Trend in Foreclosures?</title>
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		<title>By: deontos</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/27/ny-bankruptcy-court-wipes-out-mers-registered-mortgage-new-trend-in-foreclosures/#comment-2004294</link>
		<dc:creator>deontos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>**Foreclosure Fraud**

During the housing boom, lenders passed around mortgages as if they were whiskey bottles at a frat party. Notes were lost, destroyed, sold into multiple pools. Mortgages were not recorded and exorbitant fees were collected by the big firms on Wall Street.

Now that the bubble has burst, “lenders” are trying to collect on loans they do not own, in most cases never lent a dime on the transaction, have no right to, or were paid 30 times over in bailouts, insurance, credit default swaps, etc.

They are doing this because they can. They are steamrolling the courts rocket dockets because hardly anyone is contesting their foreclosures. Think about it. If you could go into a court and file thousands of foreclosures a week, and only a mere 10% challenged the authority of the foreclosing entity, what would you do if you were the greedy bankster?

The crises is even worse in non judicial states…

In almost every case these pretender lenders do not and did not own the loan. Almost all loans during the boom were securitized and it was investors that put up the money. Not the banks.

Now these “pretender lenders” are trying to steal the homes by filing fraudulent assignments, by the thousands, to process the foreclosures.

Don’t believe me? See for you yourself.

http://4closurefraud.wordpress.com/

4closureFraud

See also:
livinglies.com
http://livinglies.wordpress.com/foreclosure-defense-forms/people-players-and-resources/mers-mortgage-electronic-registration-systems/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>**Foreclosure Fraud**</p>
<p>During the housing boom, lenders passed around mortgages as if they were whiskey bottles at a frat party. Notes were lost, destroyed, sold into multiple pools. Mortgages were not recorded and exorbitant fees were collected by the big firms on Wall Street.</p>
<p>Now that the bubble has burst, “lenders” are trying to collect on loans they do not own, in most cases never lent a dime on the transaction, have no right to, or were paid 30 times over in bailouts, insurance, credit default swaps, etc.</p>
<p>They are doing this because they can. They are steamrolling the courts rocket dockets because hardly anyone is contesting their foreclosures. Think about it. If you could go into a court and file thousands of foreclosures a week, and only a mere 10% challenged the authority of the foreclosing entity, what would you do if you were the greedy bankster?</p>
<p>The crises is even worse in non judicial states…</p>
<p>In almost every case these pretender lenders do not and did not own the loan. Almost all loans during the boom were securitized and it was investors that put up the money. Not the banks.</p>
<p>Now these “pretender lenders” are trying to steal the homes by filing fraudulent assignments, by the thousands, to process the foreclosures.</p>
<p>Don’t believe me? See for you yourself.</p>
<p><a href="http://4closurefraud.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">http://4closurefraud.wordpress.com/</a></p>
<p>4closureFraud</p>
<p>See also:<br />
livinglies.com<br />
<a href="http://livinglies.wordpress.com/foreclosure-defense-forms/people-players-and-resources/mers-mortgage-electronic-registration-systems/" rel="nofollow">http://livinglies.wordpress.com/foreclosure-defense-forms/people-players-and-resources/mers-mortgage-electronic-registration-systems/</a></p>
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		<title>By: ProgThis</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/27/ny-bankruptcy-court-wipes-out-mers-registered-mortgage-new-trend-in-foreclosures/#comment-2004190</link>
		<dc:creator>ProgThis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The homeowners didn&#039;t break the privity of their contract with their mortgagees.  Stupid, greedy banksters have only themselves to blame.

Congress will probably preempt any states that start erasing mortgages though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The homeowners didn&#8217;t break the privity of their contract with their mortgagees.  Stupid, greedy banksters have only themselves to blame.</p>
<p>Congress will probably preempt any states that start erasing mortgages though.</p>
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		<title>By: ProgThis</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/27/ny-bankruptcy-court-wipes-out-mers-registered-mortgage-new-trend-in-foreclosures/#comment-2004189</link>
		<dc:creator>ProgThis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not 100% on this, but I think the answer to your question is not always.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not 100% on this, but I think the answer to your question is not always.</p>
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		<title>By: tinman1967</title>
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		<dc:creator>tinman1967</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just what we need.  New a different ways for deadbeats and freeloaders to get out of their legal obligations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just what we need.  New a different ways for deadbeats and freeloaders to get out of their legal obligations.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynthia Kouril</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynthia Kouril</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Way different in NY, we have judicial forclosure here. They have to take the homeowner to court.

Somebody correct me if I am wrong, but in non judicial forclosure states can&#039;t the homeowner sue the lender and do all this &quot;prove the note&quot; stuff?

I thought non judicial forclosures only went forward if the homeowner did not go to court to get a restraining order. I realize this shifts the burden of initiating a court action onto the homeowner, but I THINK homeowners have some sort of judicial relief availbale--if facts warrant it--in evey state.

Please correct me if I am wrong about this. I am not admitted in all 50 states , nor have I attempetd to (yet) to research this point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Way different in NY, we have judicial forclosure here. They have to take the homeowner to court.</p>
<p>Somebody correct me if I am wrong, but in non judicial forclosure states can&#8217;t the homeowner sue the lender and do all this &#8220;prove the note&#8221; stuff?</p>
<p>I thought non judicial forclosures only went forward if the homeowner did not go to court to get a restraining order. I realize this shifts the burden of initiating a court action onto the homeowner, but I THINK homeowners have some sort of judicial relief availbale&#8211;if facts warrant it&#8211;in evey state.</p>
<p>Please correct me if I am wrong about this. I am not admitted in all 50 states , nor have I attempetd to (yet) to research this point.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynthia Kouril</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/27/ny-bankruptcy-court-wipes-out-mers-registered-mortgage-new-trend-in-foreclosures/#comment-2004176</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynthia Kouril</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not just banrupting hedge funds. The triple A rated traunches of the se CDOs (Collateralized Debt Obligations--and the debtsa re not just mortgages, they can be corporate debt, car loans, any loan with collateral)where mostly bought by big institutional investors like municpalities, Universities, pension funds, State Comptrollers.

You are looking at the total fianacial collapse of those kinds of institutions. This is a disaster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not just banrupting hedge funds. The triple A rated traunches of the se CDOs (Collateralized Debt Obligations&#8211;and the debtsa re not just mortgages, they can be corporate debt, car loans, any loan with collateral)where mostly bought by big institutional investors like municpalities, Universities, pension funds, State Comptrollers.</p>
<p>You are looking at the total fianacial collapse of those kinds of institutions. This is a disaster.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynthia Kouril</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynthia Kouril</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will be doing more (a lot more) posts on this. I beleive there is one more lement to the story, and if I am right, it will be much much bigger than last year&#039;s bank collapse.

If my theroy is correct, and I almost wishit wasn&#039;t, it would mean that all mortgages that had the interst in land separated from the promissory note AND had the promissory note included in a pool that was divided into traunches and those traunches sold to different investors would have broken the privity of contract needed to make the promissory note enforcable.


We are not there yet, we still need a test case for that theory, but if I&#039;m right. All of those debts would just evaporate. 

So, you could end up owneing your house free and clear which is nice, but it might be a nightmare if you ever wanted to sell it. I cannot imagine how a title company would deal with it.

There will be a series of posts to develope this idea. I&#039;m going to do a Marcy Wheeler type trip into the weeds, so it will take many short posts to avoid confusing everyone, including myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will be doing more (a lot more) posts on this. I beleive there is one more lement to the story, and if I am right, it will be much much bigger than last year&#8217;s bank collapse.</p>
<p>If my theroy is correct, and I almost wishit wasn&#8217;t, it would mean that all mortgages that had the interst in land separated from the promissory note AND had the promissory note included in a pool that was divided into traunches and those traunches sold to different investors would have broken the privity of contract needed to make the promissory note enforcable.</p>
<p>We are not there yet, we still need a test case for that theory, but if I&#8217;m right. All of those debts would just evaporate. </p>
<p>So, you could end up owneing your house free and clear which is nice, but it might be a nightmare if you ever wanted to sell it. I cannot imagine how a title company would deal with it.</p>
<p>There will be a series of posts to develope this idea. I&#8217;m going to do a Marcy Wheeler type trip into the weeds, so it will take many short posts to avoid confusing everyone, including myself.</p>
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		<title>By: ProgThis</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/27/ny-bankruptcy-court-wipes-out-mers-registered-mortgage-new-trend-in-foreclosures/#comment-2003846</link>
		<dc:creator>ProgThis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 03:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some states require a judicial foreclosure, others don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some states require a judicial foreclosure, others don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: jonerik</title>
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		<dc:creator>jonerik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 03:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m coming to this post late but I wonder how much impact these rulings can have if most mortgages are foreclosed not through court actions but by an alternative procedure by advertisement. There the mortgage holder gets to foreclose by publishing an advertisement and then taking title  through a sheriff&#039;s sale. There is the right of redemption for a year but there is no way short of paying off the mortgage of reclaiming the property. At least that&#039;s how most of them are foreclosed in Minnesota and Wisconsin. Mortgagees and their assigns only go to court to collect deficiency judgments personally against the debtors and mortgages only wind up in bankruptcy when that situation arises. Is that different in New York?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m coming to this post late but I wonder how much impact these rulings can have if most mortgages are foreclosed not through court actions but by an alternative procedure by advertisement. There the mortgage holder gets to foreclose by publishing an advertisement and then taking title  through a sheriff&#8217;s sale. There is the right of redemption for a year but there is no way short of paying off the mortgage of reclaiming the property. At least that&#8217;s how most of them are foreclosed in Minnesota and Wisconsin. Mortgagees and their assigns only go to court to collect deficiency judgments personally against the debtors and mortgages only wind up in bankruptcy when that situation arises. Is that different in New York?</p>
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		<title>By: earlofhuntingdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>earlofhuntingdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 03:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s hoping the Masters of the Universe were too clever by half, that their apparent belief in the fungibility of mortgages and the utility of severing the debt from the underlying real property goes unrewarded.  It would be nearly a first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s hoping the Masters of the Universe were too clever by half, that their apparent belief in the fungibility of mortgages and the utility of severing the debt from the underlying real property goes unrewarded.  It would be nearly a first.</p>
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