The documentary Cat Ladies provides a look into the lives of four self-described cat ladies, each with similar reasons for their obsessive love of cats: isolation, loneliness and a desire to love and be loved, to help and to rescue. And as out of control as their lives become, there is something noble in their care for these creatures.
Margot, who has lives with three cats dotes on them, and admits to saving her kitties’ whiskers and to having dreams of breast feeding her cats as though they were children. Feeling like the under-achieving outsider in her family of academics–Margot is adopted–she looks to nurture something and to be loved in return. Her entire life revolves around her three cats.
Smart, pretty Jenny seems to have it all–looks, brains, a high paying job, her own home. She admits she’s a catch, but there’s something in the way: Her sixteen cats. Growing up in an unpleasant home situation, Jenny took comfort in her cats as a child and now though a comfort and a source of pleasure, her cats are also a physical barrier to the intimacy she craves. She worries that she will cross a line and soon have too many and cross the line into becoming a “crazy cat lady.”
Diane crossed that line when she was forced into retirement after the bank she worked for merged with another. She shares her apartment with one hundred and twenty three cats she has rescued. She spends her days and nights feeding them and cleaning up after them, along with feeding Toronto’s feral cat community. She has lost friends because she is so obsessed with the care of cats.
Diane has realized that things are out of control but doesn’t know what to do, how to manage her hoard of felines. She is one step away from becoming Sigi, a cat hoarder/rescuer whose filthy house is home to close to two hundred cats and is fast becoming a neighborhood nuisance. She says that saving a cat gives her a feeling of accomplishment, and that she would love to find homes for her cats, except the ones who only she knows how to care for. Her level of “care” is heartbreaking in its both its tenderness and its filthy despair.
And therein lies one of the problems with “rescuers.” In their minds they want to save the cats, a wonderful ideal, but no homes are right for the cats, no one can care for them like the hoarder. As the head of animal cruelty in Toronto points outs, often these cats are because the rescuers become overwhelmed. He takes us on a tour of house where cats are ill and dying, pointing out a dead kitten and explaining that as well intentioned as rescuers are, they are a bit beyond the normal bounds.
What causes crazy cat syndrome, feline hoarding? It may start with loving a creature, wanting to help but then it accelerates. One theory is that toxoplasma gondii –a relative of the malaria parasite found in cat urine–can affect some people, primarily women, the same way it does rats and mice. The parasite makes rodents less fearful of the smell of cat urine and slows their reaction time, making them slower.
T. gondii antibodies in persons with schizophrenia and other severe psychiatric disorders and in controls have been reported; 18 reported a higher percentage of antibodies in the affected persons; in 11 studies the difference was statistically significant.
Could cat hoarding be a form of schizophrenia caused by the parasite?
Sadly, Diane and Sigi the two worse cat hoarders and the animal cruelty officer do not offer solutions to the feral cat population, which is capture, fix and release, which allows the feral cat population some degree of control, if only people would fix their pets and not turn them loose.
Cat Ladies’ filmmakers show compassion with their subjects, but also give an unflinching look at their lives, the cost in social isolation and psychic pain and well as the financial cost. Each in their own way realize they are trapped. Even Sigi who defies animal control and her neighbors with the nearly two hundred felines says that if she stopped rescuing cats now, it would be ten years at least before they were all gone.
When one of Margot’s three cat’s dies, she reaches out to distant friends and family and discovers that she is cared about and that with Bongo’s death she has the opportunity for the human contact, for friendships, for a normal life. Diane, Jenny and Sigi–and their pets–may not be so lucky.
Please spay and neuter, and support programs which capture, fix and release feral cats.



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Just a quick heads-up before we start discussing Cat Ladies. As always, if the subject matter is not to your liking please come back next week or drop me a line afterwards rather than moaning about it during the discussion!
Please stay on topic–the movie Cat Ladies, cats, cat ladies in general, hoarding, animal rescue, pet population control–I think that will keep us busy! My typing is marginal, but you all know that by now and I appreciate your patience in the delivery and translation!
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Hey Lisa,
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Jeantte, thanks! Sometimes my brian seems clear to me… Our cat Mr Bruce and I and my roommate Cat (real name and she’s human) so enjoyed Cat Ladies…how did you find your subjects?
And how long did you spend with them?
The associate Producer Suzanne mullett had the original concept when someone called her a “cat lady”. She did a lot of her own research concentrating on the history of the cat lady and on cat rescue.
However once we took the project on, we hired a researcher and she did an amazing job of finding people. We had a lot of interested people come to us.
We put out ads online and we obviously followed up on known cat rescuers as well as asking for word of mouth references
We did a lot of phone and written interviews and then we had Sally and Christie do some in person interviews too
We shot with the four ladies for roughly six months and during this time I spent quite a lot of time with them, which I believe is how I earned their trust and hopefully made them comfortable, which allowed them to open up on camera about some very difficult and personal issues.
Their lives were very moving and relate-able. They were so genuine in their compassion and pain and self awareness
Hi LIsa Hi Sally. (Edit: and Hi Christie and Jeanette as well)
I found the Cat Ladies rather heartrending in a lot of ways. I had a male neighbor variant on the Cat Lady in that he would “rescue cats from the shelter.” The shelter finally realized something wasn’t quite correct (he was in his late ’80s) and they stopped at 12. By the time I moved in to the apartment upstairs, they were down to 5 cats left.
(I am a cat lover although have tended to be one at a time. Dan’l watched the documentary with me but was not real impressed. I guess that cat nonchalance) :})
I love cats, but the trailer attached freaks me out. These people need to get a life.
A woman I know slightly, veyr wealthy, has 60+ plus cats, most are exotics–again she is “escuig” them but she wil never give them up to suitable himes. Some magane to not be fixed and then well, there are more of them…She collects LOTS of things: antiques vintage stuff, dishes, toys, etc. Itis def a form of mental disorder
Cats are our hardest audience! We’ve resorted to bringing catnip to the theatre.
I would like to say that what we wanted to address was the label of “cat lady” that is casually thrown around rather than the issue of cat rescue – although obviously that is part of film.
I have painful, family association with some of this…is the cat piece a variation on the “hoarding” disorder?
Did you find any folks with good outcomes?
I would agree – but they do chose that life
eCAHN, sadly this is their life, and not all people are cookie cutters to your standards. There are many abandoned animals and people have different responses to them. And some people have imbalances in their lives that lead them to hoard
I think age does play a large role in these situations – as people get older their social network gets smaller and smaller and the cats are able to fill that void.
I take that to be a very dismissive approach for a very serious condition.
Well for Sigi – she believes her life is a good outcome. Margot tried to reach out but it ended a bit tragically with one of her cats mauled by a dog
I thinkyou did a wonderful job of showing the different aspects of “cat lady-dom” from the lonely women who love their pets to the the extremes.
Welcome to the Lake, ladies.
I’ve got 12 but don’t fall into the rescuer or hoarder category. Three pairs of siblings I scooped up at work and had homes for, had them fixed, vaccinated, etc. Then the people backed out after hearing that ferals were hard to socialize, which isn’t true but there was no convincing them. One was a kitten dumped outside my office one morning, another was a stray who turned up at work injured. The remaining 4 were adopted to keep them from being euthanized out of convenience by their guardians, 2 of those from my vet who refused to euthanize them.
OH poor Margot…Poor woman. She has really had some blows in her life. I hope she finds a way to work through he pain and fears and losses.
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Thanks LIsa. It’s important to remember that this is not a film about hoarding per se, but about a strong emotional bond to cats and the stereotype of ‘the cat lady’
With the film we really wanted to show the different ways a woman’s relationship with cats can manifest.
How are Sigi’s neighbors coping with the situation? Were al her cats taken away, or was she just fined?
There is no bylaw preventing Sigi from having as many cats as she has.
Sally, Christie:Ithink pets fill a huge void in people’s lives. We had a film a few weeks ago “The Way We Get By” and one of the seniors, a man, had dozens of cats, as he progressed in his volunteer work he managed ot reduce the cats, clean up his house, sell it and move, but he is a rare one…mnay people can;t get up the gumption to do that sadly, Sigi’s house was scary, Diane’s moving that way.
While the film does deal with such themes as loneliness I think it’s really important to highlight the fact that Margot, Jenny, Diane and Sigi are also independent, fiesty, self-aware and in many ways have chosen to buck social conventions.
There is a plan underway to try and address the number, the local council wants to deal with the situation (I think) but limiting the number of cats isn’t probably the real issue.
It’s the spay and neuter issue that comes to the forefront of their bylaws instead.
And to be clear Sigi is a big advocate of Spay and neuter
I found Diane to be quite interesting just for her personal self awareness. She seemed like her biggest fear just might have been that she had already passed that unknown number that means “crazy cat lady” even though she claimed that she hadn’t reached it as yet.
As a cat lover (one or two at a time, thank you). I found this movie very disturbing. Can’t help but think it will turn off a great many people to cats..
Glad you made the movie… just think it might have a great many responses… not all good.
However, one shouldn’t forget that having that many cats IS going to affect other people – especially the neighbours. It’s one thing to save kitties but without thought to others also is telling
I loved “The Way We Get By”, such a touching film. Lisa you raise a good point that there are no social service agencies that can help people deal with a situation like having too many cats, thus the problem often spirals out of control to the detriment of the cats and the homeowner.
& Lisa,
I live in the city & the country. Mostly the latter now. So I see lots of nature. Much of it is not kind. There’s a doe, who had twins this year, who hangs out on my property, who has a gigantic tumor on her left front leg. She can’t run, even limps while walking. Is it my job to rescue her? Otherwise she’ll likely die owing to coyote attack, once the snow comes.
I don’t know if it’ll turn people off cats – rather it might be a warning for people on the verge of having more.
Diane wants to warn other people about the life she has now. She is drowning and she knows it might be too late for her but it might not be for others
I think one of the important underlying themes in the film was loneliness in the modern social context, which also speaks to what Suzanne talked about earlier in regards to age. We’ve never lived amongst so many strangers in the history of human civilization. We’re often separate geographically from friends and family. We don’t find our niche. And yet humans need to socialize to survive – and sometimes cats make good – and unquestioning – companions!
We have great spay/neuter and release for feral cats her ein LA. The ferals keep down the rodent populati0n (there ferals at Disneyland, movie studios and colleges). Vets notch the kitties’ ears to indicate the have been fixed. It’s an awesome program which really helps nature’s balance
The question might be more – How could you help the deer? And when does your help actually maybe turn to hindering – will the doe become tame – too tame? Do you take it in? Do you make the fawns dependent on you? Where does it end?
I concur. In an ideal world, these ladies would find other like minded souls to help then rescue cats and do other things wiht etc.
Probably Trap Neuter Release is the best answer – but its a solution. Plus who pays for the neuter?
The issue probably goes back much further – the idea that the kitty is a disposable pet – one you can just chuck out the door when it starts scratching the sofa…
The worst part of my visit to Russia in 1998 was the smell of cat piss in the opera house. I presumed it was to keep down the rodent population, but still…
We also hope the film raises awareness about how many thousands of feral, abandoned and stray cats there are out there and how important it is to spay and neuter your cats.
What has happened with Jenny has she found love–perhaps with a musical veteranarian?
Our local SPCA has finally started fixing ferals at no cost. The lady next door feeds all the strays in the neighborhood and we have recently been trapping them and then releasing them back into the neighborhood. I haven’t seen a fruit rat in years. *g*
Jenny is still looking for love but she tells me she is in a much better place emotionally than she was when we shot the film.
I know perfectly well where it ends. The doe’s life is none of my business. I do have a friend who hunts on the property, who will take her out if he sees her. Part of that disgusting: humans know better than nature about everything natural phenomenon. A completely anthropomorphic sentiment: I wouldn’t like being a doe unable to run away from coyotes, so I’d prefer someone kill me quickly instead. WTF?
Jenny found…. 3 more pets – rats!
I believe she’s got a beau but it’s a conjugal visit relationship…
Are you off your meds? You asked the question….G’Night all.
My hunter friend argues that the only reason that god created bunnies was to provide food for carnivores. Bunnies are amazingly good at doing that. Perhaps feral cats provide another link in that food chain.
Apparently there is a website called animallovers.com – that would be perfect!
Human companionship and visits, going to movies and out to dinner, that works. For the longest time I dated men who were “allergic” to cats (ie didnt like them). Luckily now that has changed!
We should have suggested that….
Gnite RevBev. Guess you’ve never seen nature up close & personal. Had a “pet” blue heron who stalked my back yard for a week or so this past summer. Saw him strike for the kill.
One factoid we did hear about was that feral cats generally limit their number in a colony to 50.
are the extras driven out?
I believe so – or set upon…
My vet once asked me to take a 19yo female who had been brought in to be euthanized by a lady whose daughter’s boyfriend had moved in and was “allergic” to cats. Missy was hyperthyroid and they were also tired of giving her meds so stopped, requiring surgery to remove part of her thyroid. She lived to be 22 1/2, going to Rainbow Bridge two years ago last week.
So if a feral cat colony is a natural phenomenon, why is it of any concern for humans?
Jenny had outside interests, music; did Margot or Diane have any outside interests, lunch with friends at work, etc?
My solution would be to deny the hunter any rights on my property. The killing of any living thing is not acceptable.
because two unneutered cats and their offspring can theoretically produce over 300,000 more cats in under 7 years…
It’s not natural – it’s due to overbreeding of cats by humans.
Killing plants is therefore unacceptable, since plants live. What do you eat?
Sheer numbers. How many colonies of 50 would your local environment support?
So feral cats are NOT a natural phenomenon? I’m so confused.
Plants are not sentient beings. Sorry for not being more specific.
Margot’s life does largely revolve around her cats, but when her cat Bongo died a lot of people reached out to her, which made her realize that she wanted more human connections in her life. Diane is a very social person but her cat rescue work takes up most of her time. However, she does still occasionally see friends for a meal out.
Cats as we know them today are domesticated versions of an original wildcat.
Feral cats are domesticated cats that were released by owners.
I took in an 18 yr whose family was moving to Australia. She was really happy livng here, caught her fist muse and a huge bug. She lasted a year until her batteries ran out. Now we have Mr Bruce who was stud dud from a cattery and thus free since he was no use to the breeder. We got him fixed and he is soo happy; we call him our rescued sex worker.
Suzanne, what other festivals do you have scheduled?
Since I have coyotes, I think things would even out pretty soon.
I’d love to have a cat. Haven’t found the right foundling yet. I’m trying to get my cleaning lady to reallocate to me the cat she picked up on the road near my house. So far, she’s holding strong over her managerie.
I don’t know how I’d protect a cat from the coyotes. Had one who survived outdoors for 15 years, despite coyotes. I was a weekender then. She (fixed) became a country cat because she peed on the furniture in the city and was very hard to find on Sunday night.
After living outdoors (put a shelter for her in the garage during the winter) for 15 years, she got into a fight, and retired to the city for her remaining 6 years. It’s hard to imagine that I could luck out on such a fabulous cat as Jezebel, which is another reason I don’t yet have another cat, a decade after Jezebel’s demise.
Feral cat colonies in urban areas are not a natural phenomanon – humans disposed of them when they were no longer needed or wanted – most of them were never spayed or neutered so they procreate and thereby create larger groups of cats that are feral or wild and afraid of humans.
How do you know plants are not sentient? And what are you going to eat when you find out they are? Many people talk to their plants in the full believe that their plants understand.
A woman was moving to TN and was going to give her 17yo female and 12yo male to a shelter, where the 17yo wouldn’t have lasted the sunlight that day and the 12yo didn’t stand much more of a chance. Those were my last 2. Kismet is also hyperthyroid. Missy musta sent some vibes out from the Bridge.
One can be right or one can be happy. Not both.
I believe we have two festival coming up or they might have just passed that were in Ontario; one in Stratford and one in Windsor. Jet may have a better update on any new festivals coming up.
City feral cats undoubtedly help with the rat population.
I’ll think on that sentiment. Haven’t heard it before.
There are also feral dog packs in Los Angeles, pitbull and pit bull crossesas well as cat colonies. Pretty granly in some neighborhoods
The latest on CAT LADIES is that we also will be featured on ABC NEws 20/20 in late November.
A re-version of the film will be part of the strand ‘Secret Lives of Women” for WEtv in 2010.
We’re hoping for more festival exposure in the US and we have a couple of international television broadcasts – one in Israel and one in Finland.
I have coyotes, deer, wild turkey, raccoons, opossum, skunk, armadillos, snakes, all in my yard… and feral cats. Some ferals have been around for years. Note I live in an area with about half a dozen homes over 8 or 10 square miles.
It all works out… survival of the fittest. Fortunately my own cats have been rather fit.
Is the cat ladie problem universal in urban areas? I know Rome had a problem and there was much hue and cry over a plan to exterminate the cats for the Olympics….
Ditto. I have more property, but all the “wild” life you describe. I’m hoping that when I rescue a cat, s/he will be like Jezebel, good enough to avoid all the other natural preditors.
I believe it is due to the higher concentration of people. Cats have chosen to stick around humans because they no they can get food and if there’s more humans; there’s more food. Some larger cities in the US have come with mobile vet units they are mandated to spay, neuter and release at least to keep the populations in check. In Toronto there is also another initiative to get the rescuers to record the number and size of cat colonies in the city so that they can get a better sense of how to deal with the issue.
So here’s what I seemed to have missed. Cat ladies seem NOT to be about cats at all, but rather about the poor demented women who adopt unconscionable number of them. Is the film about the cats or about the women who adopt them?
are there palns for DVD release?
I have four cats and would have more but can’t stand the thought of more litter box cleaning.
At our local shelter there is a network of ladies who spend their time feeding, trapping, fixing and releasing ferals. They bring cage after cage of cats in on free spay day. They all have their own territories to work and compare notes about how many they trap and the condition of the kittehs. Bless ‘em, they do it with their own money because they love cats. Or maybe birds.
It was heartbreaking to hear that one lady say “I guess people don’t know how lonely I am.” Maybe she could find a group of cat ladies at her shelter.
In Paris there are many famous ‘cat ladies’ who take care of feral populations in the cemeteries
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The DVDs include extra scenes too!
You really do have to admire the dedication and selflessness of many of the cat rescuers who exists in so many communities. Margot however is not a cat rescuer but a cat lover.
“poor demented” is a bit of a stretch. The women with the most cats are still out rescuing cats and getitng them spayed and neutered. Sigi who has the most is happy, Diane is overwhelmed but dedicated….Margot loves her cats, and Jenny is well employed, plays classical music…”CAt Ladies” cuts across the stereotype you project
When I adopted my latest kitty (Miss Louiza) from the shelter a couple of months back.. my number one criteria was whether or not I thought kitty could handle an indoor outdoor country setting. Difficult to evaluate in a shelter setting.
One thing I wondered about at that time.. and the movie reminded me of again, was the amount of time cats are locked up really diminishes their ability to handle outdoor situations. I think we owners owe it to them to not shelter them too much in effort to “save” them if at all possible.
Margot is delightful. I felt like she could find a community of like minded kitty lovers on line or even in real life…
In NYC you may not adopt a stray until she is spayed. In my case, the kitten (moved with my son to TX) was too young. So NYC took a $100 deposit on my credit card, which was refunded when I brought her back to be spayed. (Emi, short for Eminance Grise, as she clearly controlled all humans within her vicinity and whose color was primarily gray.) The day after I picked her up from being spayed, at no cost to me, I read in the metro section of the NYTimes, that a boa constrictor has spent the same time in the same animal shelter, having been found as an illegal “resident” in a NYC public housing project. I was happy that the boa didn’t eat Emi.
Good for cutting across stereotypes. I hate them.
My first batch of cats adapted well form apt to indoor outdoor, but we lost one who was a great hunter, he went too far and I htink the coyotes got him after 5 yrs. Judy needed ot be indoor snce she was 17 and declawed, and Mr Bruce has no skills or brain, though he did kill a bug, probably it looked at him and died of fright!
I am thrille dyou’l be on Secret Lives of Women, it’s a GREAT series!
Christie, Suzanne, Jeanette, Are each of you working on new projects together or sepearetly, and if so what?
Rescuing a declawed cat.. that’s heroic!
I have a few ideas kicking around but nothing specific right now.
Jezebel was a great hunter. Often had dead mice on back porch, with her circling proud.
Can’t forget the time when we went for a walk, boasting loudly about how Jezebel was such a dog-cat, meaning that she would follow us whereever we walked. Only to be shortstopped when she refused. Turned out, she wanted us to investigate the high grass where she had trapped several bunny babies. How proud she was!
LL, I wanted a black cat, older maybe a girl, and my sofa just couldnt take it anymore, so if a eclawed on showed up..then lo and behold, Jud was available and fit the bill (I owuld have take her anyway, 17 yr old cat is NOT that big a deal, 17 weeks is a huge matter)
If you havent checked out the Cat Ladies site here’s your link
Sally and I are working on a new documentary – PEEP ME – about how pop culture is becoming peep culture -”Reality TV”, myspace, facebook, cctv, and surveillance.
I really do think that the parasite Toxoplasma gondii plays a part in cat hoarding…
Jeannette and I are working on another film called ‘Peep Me’ that actually touches on similar themes of loneliness and alienation but from a MUCH different perspective – people who reveal the intimate details of their lives online and on tv. thepeepdiaries.com
I’ll leave that to the scientists!
That sounds great, please keep us posted, we;d love to have you back!
Sounds like a great angle.
I have a great deal of affection for eccentrics. I think we, as a culture, don’t treat them well.
My wife and I have six cats and they rule our home. My wife is a cat lady but I do my best to keep her reigned in but she just brougnt anoter home which makes six now. I spent 4 hours on sunday at PETCO getting my penny a rabies shot that I could afford. We feed the feral cats in the neighbor-hood as well. I walk my Maine coon cat on a leash and people are amazed.
I am trying to develop a couple of projects. Hopefully the four of us will be able to work together someday because it was a great experience!
Christie, Suzanne, Jeannette–DO YOU HAVE CATS and HOW MANY?
So here’s another macro Q. What makes these ladies choose rescuing cats as their cause? I have many causes and spread my efforts thin. Interested in what makes some take a single cause so seriously, especially cats, as portrayed in this film. Any short versions to communicate?
How so? Feurae is declawed all the way round, got him from my vet. Kismet and Brutus are declawed, front only. I’m staunchly against declawing but wouldn’t let that stand in the way of adopting one.
I used to have two – but one was worried by a dog and broke his leg – considering he was 19, I had to put him down. The other stayed with my ex-husband….
My son is asthmatic and one trigger is cat dander, so I don’t have any now.
Cats are culturally linked to women. They’re independent in nature, fairly easy to look after (no walking a cat!) and they incredibly affectionate and the “right size”.
I have two cats and will probably have more but right now 2 is a good number. And this way I can give them more attention.
Just saying I admire that.. because you have to give extra care… make sure they don’t get outside etc., can’t defend themselves as well, if at all.
Everyone makes choices and decisions abut how to spend their time. It’s been said that the measure of country’s goodness is how it treats animals…
I’m not sure if I should admit this but I have a dog!
I have a dog as well as a cat, at one point 2 dogs, three cats, but they pass on eventually. Not sure what I’ll do when the 12 yr old dog’s batteries run out…I ahve had him since he was 2 weeks old.
Oh, okay. I used to be an indoor/outdoor dad but after Yang’s encounter with a fruit rat years ago I’m strictly indoor now, particularly since I live in a small, dense city. People tear down the small streets and we’ve even got coyotes running around.
I walk my cats… start early.. they will follow you like a dog for the rest of your life. I however, have not been able to get my cats to follow me across the river behind my house. *s*
Nothing like sitting under a tree, turkey hunting in camo, with your cat laying in a tree next to you.
Cat Ladies, cat lovers and Movie Night pups, Christie, Suzanee, Jeanette THANK YOU SO MUCH!
Thank you!
OMg.. is this a fruit rat? That’s huge!
Thanks so much for having us.
Lisa, I think you might have gotten us all mixed up a bit. It’s been fun participating in this conversation this evening!
Thanks for the FDL Cat call.
Thanks so much it was great fun.
catladiesdoc.com
Look forward to festival updates!
Hey sally! Thanks too! Its been one of our busiest nights–and four filmmakers to boot!
Good answer. Hits all my buttons. Don’t know I would have had your nerve to say it so plainly.
You clearly don’t know any hunters, and if you eat meat, you don’t know where it come from.
My late husband used to make fun of hunters until I pointed out to him that rock climbing (how we met) was even more bizarre.
My most environmentally sensitive friends are hunters, including my beekeeper who hasn’t bought any meat for several decades.
I don’t know what that is but fruit rats here are just your basic rat. It wasn’t a bite or scratch that almost killed Yang, it was the bacteria she ingested with the rat’s body fluids.
Why do you assume so many of us do not know about things? Nature, hunting, whatever.
This is probably going to get me flamed, but: here’s the deal about catch-neuter-and-release: it’s not restoring nature’s balance, because cats are not native to North America. And feral cats decimate local bird and small mammal populations already squeezed out by humans. In Hawaii, especially, with its many rare and valuable birds, cats have been a major problem (along with, ironically, rats, also non-native).
Cats as they are now, like dogs, are not “natural” but a wild animal that evolved to live with us for its own survival. Very successfully so. But that means that, like us, they are also in competition with non-humanized animals.
I don’t actually believe that a cat’s life is worth the extinction of (more) native species, frankly, nor that euthanizing an animal that has no possible home and will either suffer or hunt vulnerable species is an evil thing to do. Certainly it is less evil than confining a cat to a house reeking of urine and feces with too many other cats and letting it die of untreated disease or starvation.
We, as human beings, are responsible for the overabundance of cats; we created their species and imported it, and if we cannot ethically care for all of them and keep them from causing harm, then we have the responsibility of doing what needs to be done. Which may be putting some of them to sleep. When we turn away from this responsibility, we are refusing to deal with actuality, and in the long run, we are culpable. And as hoarder stories often show, we may be causing more pain than we are preventing.
thank you for your thoughtful comment. Being an urban dweller in Los Angeles, I see the advantage of feral cats on studio lots, school campuses, cemeteries, at Disneyland. But yes, I certainly se eyour point as well!