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Former Attorney General Michael Mukasey, who has dealt with terrorism trials as a judge and seen convictions successfully obtained with the full panoply of civil rights intact, thinks that U.S. civilian courts are not proper venues for terror trials.
Why? Because they’re an administrative hassle.
I kid you not.
The challenges of a terrorism trial are overwhelming. To maintain the security of the courthouse and the jail facilities where defendants are housed, deputy U.S. marshals must be recruited from other jurisdictions; jurors must be selected anonymously and escorted to and from the courthouse under armed guard; and judges who preside over such cases often need protection as well. All such measures burden an already overloaded justice system and interfere with the handling of other cases, both criminal and civil
Well, yeah, but the same is true for Mafia cases or any of the other “trial of the century” cases heard in state court houses—think serial killers or Charles Manson.
I remember the Bess Myerson trial. There were lines out the door of spectators waiting to get in. The day Mayor Koch testified, he decided to walk over from City Hall across Foley Square. I was the liaison for security that day and the NYPD came in early in the morning with bomb sniffing dogs and we had to seal the courtroom—essentially locking Judge Keenan out of his own courtroom. As the Mayor came walking across Foley Square, I was waiting at the front door of the courthouse with Romolo (Ray) Imundi, the U.S. Marshall for the district.
People on the street recognized the Mayor and began following him to see what was going on. By the time he got to the top of the steps a huge crowd was following him. It looked like the “thank you very much” production number from Scrooge.
Should Bess Myerson, Andy Capasso and Hortense Gabel have been denied the right to a public trial with their full measure of civil rights just because the notoriety created security and administrative hassles?
What about Scooter Libby? I showed up at the courthouse at 6:00 a.m. to be first on line for a spectator ticket on the day of opening statements. There were crowds and chaos and overflow courtrooms and they had to create a special extra press room and a closed circuit TV system within the courthouse. Should Scooter have been denied a full public trial with all his civil liberties intact?
Yet there is more. Judge Mukasey thinks that trying these individuals in the U.S. presents a threat of attack on U.S. soil by, wait for it, LAWYERS FILING MOTIONS!
You just can’t make this stuff up.
Moreover, there is every reason to believe that the places of both trial and confinement for such defendants would become attractive targets for others intent on creating mayhem, whether it be terrorists intent on inflicting casualties on the local population, or lawyers intent on filing waves of lawsuits over issues as diverse as whether those captured in combat must be charged with crimes or released, or the conditions of confinement for all prisoners, whether convicted or not. [emphasis, ahem, added]
Look, Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman (the “blind Sheik”) is probably the highest value detainee we have ever tried in a U.S. court and he remains a high value detainee because he continues to have organizations out there with plans in various stages of development just waiting for him to give the word to go ahead. Yet, we have successfully held him in SuperMax for how many years? And when he was transferred to Butner Prison in North Caolina, nothing terrible happened. The U.S. prison system is not the leaky sieve Judge Mukasey seems to think it is.
I won’t even go into the pretzel logic of Judge Mukasey’s Speedy Trial Act argument, it would take up a whole blogpost on its own.
The thing that bothers me most about this article though, comes near the end:
Nevertheless, critics of Guantanamo seem to believe that if we put our vaunted civilian justice system on display in these cases, then we will reap benefits in the coin of world opinion, and perhaps even in that part of the world that wishes us ill. Of course, we did just that after the first World Trade Center bombing, after the plot to blow up airliners over the Pacific, and after the embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania.
This twisted notion that we would only observe our own laws, our own Constitution, our own Enlightenment Age ideals—if there was something in it for us, if we could somehow profit by it— appalls me.
NO, No, no, no, no. We observe our own laws, we follow our own constitution, we hew to our own Founding Father’s ideals, because it is the RIGHT THING TO DO.
We do it because that’s who we are as people. We do it because it is those ideals, manifest in our Constitution and our laws that make us who we are as a nation, that define our national character.
Judge Mukasey seems to think that if a terror attack happened again after we had displayed our adherence to the rule of law in earlier terror trials that following our own laws was a failure in the effort to manipulate the opinions and actions of others.
Doing the right thing only if it going to get you want you want, is NOT a sign of moral strength. Doing the right thing for the sake of doing the right thing, even when it will cost you dearly, IS a sign of such strength.
It is said that adversity does not make good character, it reveals it. The United States, by following our own laws and Constitution, for the SAKE of those laws and Constitution and for the sake of the Enlightenment ideals they were meant to effectuate, will reveal its national moral character. It’s taken us too long to do it, but better late than never (which, by the way, is the Cliff Notes version of my answer to his Speedy Trial argument).



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Rightwing Activist Judge!
Isn’t it wonderful that this Red Queen was once a judge. ‘Off with their heads!’
Wow. So much for swearing an oath to the Constitution. Has Schumer ever apologized for backing this guy and helping to inflict him upon us?
Maybe we could get the “terrorists” to sign an arbitration clause, and try them in a private court away from public scrutiny. I’m sure if Tortureman Mukasey had his way, all litigation would be privatized.
And DiFi!
How naive to believe that a people strives to do the right thing. Don’t ya know Ayn Rand set us straight about that?. It is immoral to act for any purposes other than our immediate and demonstrable best interests.
OT, completely. Even Andy Rooney did a good piece, 60 Minutes, on the need for insurance reform…cited some ridiculous examples from his experience…..I suspect 60 hits a good audience, and Andy is so charming. Sorry, Ive had such log-in trouble, I post where I can;))
I’ll say it. Mukasey is a coward.
Judge Mukasey…
two things:
1) Those words just don’t seem to belong together, and;
2) Schumer !!
wwords? Are you starting to stutter, or is that weird words, wacky words, wanky words?
it’s not nice to make fun of my keyboard’s stutter.
The second thing only works if you say it like Mr. Spacely from “The Jetsons”.
“SCCCHHHUUUUMMMMMER! YOU’RRRE FIRED!”
yeah – that’s better, but I’ve been doing it that way for so long, it’s pretty much Pavlovian.
Saw-ree.
How’s good old Home in Indiana tonight? I was only there once, to visit, my since my pop grew up there, I have sentamental fondness for your hood, dude.
As are all republicans.
All is well.
Still sporting a shiner?
h4x!
Shiner? Demi has a shiner?
Well, don’t ask.
Okay, the first one went away. But, then the other night I was at my desk in the LR, ran to answer the phone in the kitchen, tripped on the leg of a dining room chair and went flying into the kitchen door. Bam. Another one. Swear to Gawd. Never had one in my life and now two within a month.
I’m exploring my inner monster. Maybe the universe is telling me to slow down. But, thanks for asking.
It’s just too embarrasing. I was going to have my mister take me to the doctor but I was afraid that they would think he punched me. That, and afraid to get the flu.
I won’t leave the house. I’m getting a lot of reading and house work done.
*g*
Has Mr. Demi had a T-shirt made yet?
(—> “She ran into something again, dammit!”)
j/k
I bet that’s it….so, slow down.
OT, again MoveOn out with more bad update about the WH & being poor on the public option….calling for action etc. Can this all be real?
Thank you Ms. Kouril for eviscerating this steaming pile of shit from Mukasey.
Thank….you….I’ll….try….that.
(ps, sometimes when I’m having trouble getting in here, I reboot and sometimes that helps.)
I think it is finally getting alittle better….I guess the PC inards did not like it that I was gone for a week…..Has anyone heard from Christy?
Don’t get me wrong, I;m not trying to dump on Judge Mukasey generallt, but he is WAYYYYY off base here
I must say though, the thought of LAWYERS FILING MOTIONS! scares me. Eeeek!
I will be happy to dump on Mukasey. Consider him dumped.
Not I. :( Miss her a lot!
Funny, we’ve had trials of terrorists before in this country without all those problems that Mucky is moaning about.
Maybe he ought to talk with Pat Fitz? (There’s a man with some knowledge of the subject.)
Don’t get me wrong, I;m not trying to dump on Judge Mukasey generally, but he is WAYYYYY off base here
Since this is show Mukasey IS, fer chrissakes, why shouldn’t one dump on him in general?
If it weren’t for the existence Alberto Gonzales, Mukasey would be remembered as the weakest pos, lying,immoral, cowardly Attorney General in the history of this country.
Fire away – Please !
How’s things over in your corner (aside from the running into solid objects – heck, I missed the step getting off the train Friday morning and skinned my knee, although it didn’t bleed.)
‘Tis beautiful. Great sunsets the last several nights, when I look out your way. Still have some tomatoes growing. Put in lettuce and onions.
You take the train from where? To LA?
I love it when there’s no blood, btw.
Consider yourself served with a Motion To Reconsider.
(I made a Motion to Change The Facts once, orally, but it didn’t go anywhere for some reason)
I really miss her as well and am sorry I was not around when her page went down….I liked that we could check in. I trust she will find her way back when she can.
I would like to second the “pretzel logic” motion. Not because I like Steely Dan, but…
“Nevertheless, critics…believe…we will reap benefits”
“…we did just that after the first World Trade Center bombing” etc.
Then followed by:
“In return, we got the 9/11 attacks and…” etc.
Basically, he’s replaying the story of JOB. He questions the value of good if it’s not rewarded.
But even JOB had to learn, our self-proclaimed righteous deeds don’t matter as much as what we do when we are challenged by severe testing.
Archives of Christy’s work is on the right side of the screen. Just scroll down a bit. I miss Christy too.
From Chatsworth, all the way to downtown. About 45 minutes on the train, if there’s no delays. It does put a crimp in some things – we’re doing potluck lunch on Friday, and it limits what I can take. (They’re going to get my infamous bean salad again.)
Probably a lot faster than driving. Bean salad sounds delish.
Yeah, that quaint old idea of “…whether those captured in combat must be charged with crimes or released.” What a pig this man is…absolutely shameful that he was a Federal judge. I love the idea that being taken prisoner “in combat” somehow abrogates all of your civil rights. We should send him a copy of the Constitution, he needs to read it again.
Were it only so for criminal defense lawyers…..
I am a criminal defense lawyer.
It was a criminal case where I made the Motion. (though I wouldn’t have done it if I didn’t know the Judge – I was just goofing)
But I work in the State Courts pretty much exclusively, where there’s a little more room for screwing around.
I can count on one hand the time I’ve been in the Fed system – grand total of one trial – no jury. So I walked up to the rostrum and said – “Judge, I’m a State Court guy – I don’t know if I can work from behind this thing – would you mind if I moved arund the room a little bit?”
Luckily for me, he jus laughed and said go ahead.
I don’t make a good fit for Fed work.
Some days I end up on the express bus. About the same amount of time there, slightly less comfort.
Bean salad: all cans. Green beans, yellow wax beans (Ralph’s doesn’t have them), red kidney beans, and improvising from there using water chestnuts, bamboo shoots, mushrooms, olives, baby corn …. And a good oil-and-vinegar dressing.
Brilliant post, Cynthia.
From a recent speech by the ACLU’s Jonathan Hafetz, posted by Andy Worthington as part of his announcement of the publication of a new book, edited by Hafetz and Mark Denbeaux of Seton Hall Law School, that presents the personal experiences of more than a hundred of the lawyers (civilian and military) who have represented those detained by the American military – mostly pro bono counsel for the citizens of more than 40 countries who have been forcibly imprisoned at the American Navy’s Guantanamo Bay base, the Air Force’s Bagram base, and at CIA “black sites” in unnamed countries abroad: The Guantánamo Lawyers: Inside a Prison, Outside the Law.
Cynthia, fantastic post.
Have you read Yuval Ginbar’s book Why Not Torture Terrorists?