Comments on: Rahm Makes Sense? http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/18/rahm-makes-sense/ Firedoglake weblog Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:13:25 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: bobh http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/18/rahm-makes-sense/#comment-1999326 bobh Mon, 19 Oct 2009 10:26:15 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/?p=45837#comment-1999326 We were the ones who rammed Karzai down the Afghan throats in '01-02. Another Bush Jr. fuckup. We were the ones who rammed Karzai down the Afghan throats in ’01-02. Another Bush Jr. fuckup.

]]> By: x174 http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/18/rahm-makes-sense/#comment-1999315 x174 Mon, 19 Oct 2009 09:39:15 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/?p=45837#comment-1999315 to rahm or not to rahm/ i really appreciate the information, siun, but i bet the US will make the worst possible decision in the on-going travesty called "da War in Afghanistan."/ it's how we do things here./ our continued presence in Afghanistan is sufficient proof of the insanity of the US government. Edward Said depicted US knowledge of the world as beyond deplorable in his 1978 book Orientalism. now with 30 more years of unadulterated stupidity to add to that record of idiocy and incoherence, i think that the US should be awarded a prize for its willful ignorance and blatant disregard of legality and humanity./ unless the US starts waking up REAL SOON NOW, the empire is fated to fall./ what a despicable (pretense of a) nation./ imagine the US being ripped apart economically by a war that it cannot afford because it so deeply desired to train and arm a nation that utterly detested it./ sounds about the right caliber of US stupidity./ to rahm or not to rahm/

i really appreciate the information, siun, but i bet the US will make the worst possible decision in the on-going travesty called “da War in Afghanistan.”/

it’s how we do things here./

our continued presence in Afghanistan is sufficient proof of the insanity of the US government. Edward Said depicted US knowledge of the world as beyond deplorable in his 1978 book Orientalism. now with 30 more years of unadulterated stupidity to add to that record of idiocy and incoherence, i think that the US should be awarded a prize for its willful ignorance and blatant disregard of legality and humanity./

unless the US starts waking up REAL SOON NOW, the empire is fated to fall./

what a despicable (pretense of a) nation./

imagine the US being ripped apart economically by a war that it cannot afford because it so deeply desired to train and arm a nation that utterly detested it./

sounds about the right caliber of US stupidity./

]]> By: RichardKanePA http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/18/rahm-makes-sense/#comment-1999234 RichardKanePA Mon, 19 Oct 2009 04:54:08 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/?p=45837#comment-1999234 What would make sense is how to get out of Afghanistan with bin Laden having as little to cheer about as possible, http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/10214 RichardKanePA What would make sense is how to get out of Afghanistan with bin Laden having as little to cheer about as possible,
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/10214

RichardKanePA

]]> By: DWBartoo http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/18/rahm-makes-sense/#comment-1999170 DWBartoo Mon, 19 Oct 2009 03:37:42 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/?p=45837#comment-1999170 Won't argue that, eCAHN. I enjoy your pokes at pomposity, most thoroughly. And your consist application there to. ;~DW Won’t argue that, eCAHN.

I enjoy your pokes at pomposity, most thoroughly.

And your consist application there to.

;~DW

]]> By: cinnamonape http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/18/rahm-makes-sense/#comment-1999155 cinnamonape Mon, 19 Oct 2009 03:24:03 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/?p=45837#comment-1999155 Perhaps, but the mujahideen had yet to develop other tactics. Like car-bombs, suicide belts, mobile mortar rounds, etc. It was difficult for the Soviets to completely eradicate them in the mountains and they could always take refuge in Pakistan. The Stingers certainly shifted the pendulum, but so did the hardened caves that bin Laden was famous for constructing. The Soviets could not eradicate these fighters without actually placing boots on the ground in very remote places. They took heavy casualties with more mundane armaments (RPG's, land mines). The Soviets controlled the cities, and intermittently the roads. And I suspect the Saudi's and the Pakistani's would have opened the spigots to arming them with missiles and heavy weapons (which they did, acting as America's and the UK's intermediaries). Perhaps, but the mujahideen had yet to develop other tactics. Like car-bombs, suicide belts, mobile mortar rounds, etc. It was difficult for the Soviets to completely eradicate them in the mountains and they could always take refuge in Pakistan. The Stingers certainly shifted the pendulum, but so did the hardened caves that bin Laden was famous for constructing. The Soviets could not eradicate these fighters without actually placing boots on the ground in very remote places. They took heavy casualties with more mundane armaments (RPG’s, land mines).

The Soviets controlled the cities, and intermittently the roads. And I suspect the Saudi’s and the Pakistani’s would have opened the spigots to arming them with missiles and heavy weapons (which they did, acting as America’s and the UK’s intermediaries).

]]> By: pastfedup http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/18/rahm-makes-sense/#comment-1999153 pastfedup Mon, 19 Oct 2009 03:21:59 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/?p=45837#comment-1999153 Just spent the better part of an hur reading this thread, now it appears to be over. But, in case you're still here, I guess I'm missing the obvious. Please state exactly what is was the Soviets 'won' even before the US-Saudi-Pak involvement? They certainly didn't win hearts and minds; the Soviets certainly didn't control all the territory of Afghanistan. They didn't defeat the tribla leaders and mujahadeen, who were safely ensconced in their mountin hideaways, where Soviet airpower couldn't reach tnem. So what did the Soviets win, control of the skies? Not trying to be snarky, just an explanation, or your definition of what was 'son' would suffice. Just spent the better part of an hur reading this thread, now it appears to be over.

But, in case you’re still here, I guess I’m missing the obvious. Please state exactly what is was the Soviets ‘won’ even before the US-Saudi-Pak involvement?

They certainly didn’t win hearts and minds; the Soviets certainly didn’t control all the territory of Afghanistan. They didn’t defeat the tribla leaders and mujahadeen, who were safely ensconced in their mountin hideaways, where Soviet airpower couldn’t reach tnem.

So what did the Soviets win, control of the skies? Not trying to be snarky, just an explanation, or your definition of what was ‘son’ would suffice.

]]> By: ThingsComeUndone http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/18/rahm-makes-sense/#comment-1999149 ThingsComeUndone Mon, 19 Oct 2009 03:13:35 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/?p=45837#comment-1999149 Bias for bigger weapons and board of director's jobs for Generals when they retire in weapon making companies vs contracts for guns and bullet proof vests, a bias toward bigger profit margin weapons for the army vs preparing for reality? Bias for bigger weapons and board of director’s jobs for Generals when they retire in weapon making companies vs contracts for guns and bullet proof vests, a bias toward bigger profit margin weapons for the army vs preparing for reality?

]]> By: cinnamonape http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/18/rahm-makes-sense/#comment-1999148 cinnamonape Mon, 19 Oct 2009 03:13:14 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/?p=45837#comment-1999148 The Boer War methods were those developed by the US "Indian Fighters"...separate the women and children into controlled zones. Use them as hostages or bait to pacify the warriors and institute a regime of treaties that basically took all productive land and opportunity for independent action. Of course, the Boers got their vengeance through political means some thirty years later. The Boer War methods were those developed by the US “Indian Fighters”…separate the women and children into controlled zones. Use them as hostages or bait to pacify the warriors and institute a regime of treaties that basically took all productive land and opportunity for independent action. Of course, the Boers got their vengeance through political means some thirty years later.

]]> By: eCAHNomics http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/18/rahm-makes-sense/#comment-1999144 eCAHNomics Mon, 19 Oct 2009 03:09:33 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/?p=45837#comment-1999144 Barlett is merely another R asshole. Barlett is merely another R asshole.

]]> By: DWBartoo http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/18/rahm-makes-sense/#comment-1999140 DWBartoo Mon, 19 Oct 2009 03:06:55 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/?p=45837#comment-1999140 Only we flesh and blood persons, dear Twain, our creation, the corporate person, may well flourish quite happily in such an environment, it will be less taxing for "them", certainly. Incidentally, Bruce Bartlet suggested that corporations should pay no taxes, while on book salon yesterday, saying that only people should be burdened with taxes. I'm merely trying to think ahead to such a wonderful time ... Must be addling me wits ... or somewthing. :~DW Only we flesh and blood persons, dear Twain, our creation, the corporate person, may well flourish quite happily in such an environment, it will be less taxing for “them”, certainly.

Incidentally, Bruce Bartlet suggested that corporations should pay no taxes, while on book salon yesterday, saying that only people should be burdened with taxes.

I’m merely trying to think ahead to such a wonderful time …

Must be addling me wits … or somewthing.

:~DW

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