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	<title>Comments on: Time to Throw Some Elbows on Health Care Reform, Mr. President</title>
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		<title>By: GDC707</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/16/time-to-throw-some-elbows-on-healthcare-reform-mr-president/#comment-1997820</link>
		<dc:creator>GDC707</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 05:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bravo! So Appropo. If I had trusted the lyrics in many &quot;My Fair Lady&quot; songs, I think things would have made a little more sense along the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravo! So Appropo. If I had trusted the lyrics in many &#8220;My Fair Lady&#8221; songs, I think things would have made a little more sense along the way.</p>
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		<title>By: bmull</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/16/time-to-throw-some-elbows-on-healthcare-reform-mr-president/#comment-1997740</link>
		<dc:creator>bmull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 03:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama = Public Option Enemy #1

Pelosi has smartly recognized that the robust Medicare+5% public option is the only plan on the table which will ensure affordability.

Everybody would have agreed on this long ago if Obama hadn&#039;t given credence to opponents&#039; unworkable schemes. Maybe he&#039;ll have an 11th hour epiphany but I&#039;m not holding my breath.</description>
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<p>Pelosi has smartly recognized that the robust Medicare+5% public option is the only plan on the table which will ensure affordability.</p>
<p>Everybody would have agreed on this long ago if Obama hadn&#8217;t given credence to opponents&#8217; unworkable schemes. Maybe he&#8217;ll have an 11th hour epiphany but I&#8217;m not holding my breath.</p>
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		<title>By: booyah</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/16/time-to-throw-some-elbows-on-healthcare-reform-mr-president/#comment-1997705</link>
		<dc:creator>booyah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish/hope/pray that this is the case. It is the ONLY way to interpret the events thusfar in a positive light.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish/hope/pray that this is the case. It is the ONLY way to interpret the events thusfar in a positive light.</p>
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		<title>By: Swopa</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/16/time-to-throw-some-elbows-on-healthcare-reform-mr-president/#comment-1997674</link>
		<dc:creator>Swopa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FWIW, here&#039;s the other article I was referring to, on Tuesday from those famous friends-of-the-blogosphere at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/28222.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Politico&lt;/a&gt;.

Like York, they saw Harwood&#039;s success at punking some liberal blogs and decided to try for a piece of the same action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW, here&#8217;s the other article I was referring to, on Tuesday from those famous friends-of-the-blogosphere at <a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/28222.html" rel="nofollow">Politico</a>.</p>
<p>Like York, they saw Harwood&#8217;s success at punking some liberal blogs and decided to try for a piece of the same action.</p>
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		<title>By: fuckno</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/16/time-to-throw-some-elbows-on-healthcare-reform-mr-president/#comment-1997639</link>
		<dc:creator>fuckno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>50 votes in the Senate for a PO, Biden has to break the tie; which way would he go?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>50 votes in the Senate for a PO, Biden has to break the tie; which way would he go?</p>
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		<title>By: OldFatGuy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/16/time-to-throw-some-elbows-on-healthcare-reform-mr-president/#comment-1997637</link>
		<dc:creator>OldFatGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, thanks.  I didn&#039;t know who Byron York was, so your take does explain a lot to me.

Thanks man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, thanks.  I didn&#8217;t know who Byron York was, so your take does explain a lot to me.</p>
<p>Thanks man.</p>
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		<title>By: Swopa</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/16/time-to-throw-some-elbows-on-healthcare-reform-mr-president/#comment-1997636</link>
		<dc:creator>Swopa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know about PW, but here&#039;s my take on that article.

On Monday, a few blogs (including this one) went apeshit about a quote from NYT reporter John Harwood that an anonymous &quot;Obama adviser&quot; had dissed liberal blogs.

My interpretation at that time was that Harwood was intentionally trying to pick a fight between Obama and the blogs, and several blogs (as I said, including this one) took the bait.

This is the second article since then trying to throw out the same bait.  (That this one was written by known right-wing phony Byron York shows the malicious intent.)  Fortunately, the blogs that got suckered the first time seem to have wised up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know about PW, but here&#8217;s my take on that article.</p>
<p>On Monday, a few blogs (including this one) went apeshit about a quote from NYT reporter John Harwood that an anonymous &#8220;Obama adviser&#8221; had dissed liberal blogs.</p>
<p>My interpretation at that time was that Harwood was intentionally trying to pick a fight between Obama and the blogs, and several blogs (as I said, including this one) took the bait.</p>
<p>This is the second article since then trying to throw out the same bait.  (That this one was written by known right-wing phony Byron York shows the malicious intent.)  Fortunately, the blogs that got suckered the first time seem to have wised up.</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
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		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you looked at the unemployment numbers lately?

There are plenty of people in pajamas nowadays and they&#039;re reading Worldnetdaily, Newsmax, Drudgereport, and freerepublic.

That&#039;s the real dumbing down of America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you looked at the unemployment numbers lately?</p>
<p>There are plenty of people in pajamas nowadays and they&#8217;re reading Worldnetdaily, Newsmax, Drudgereport, and freerepublic.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the real dumbing down of America.</p>
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		<title>By: OldFatGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>OldFatGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it possible to message a specific person here?

I&#039;d love to hear Phoenix Woman&#039;s take on that article linked at 8.

The more I read it, the more I think it&#039;s just plain more GOP/Media Complex bullshit.

The guy says Obama needs carping from the left, as it helps him with the center and conservatives.  

Hasn&#039;t nearly every poll ever taken on the PO shown SUPER MAJORITY support???  If 75% of the people are LEFT, then why is it even necessary to worry about the 25% that are in the middle or on the right???

This is just more bullshit TradMed trying to define the CW methinks.

If you&#039;re reading this PW, would love to hear your take on that article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it possible to message a specific person here?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to hear Phoenix Woman&#8217;s take on that article linked at 8.</p>
<p>The more I read it, the more I think it&#8217;s just plain more GOP/Media Complex bullshit.</p>
<p>The guy says Obama needs carping from the left, as it helps him with the center and conservatives.  </p>
<p>Hasn&#8217;t nearly every poll ever taken on the PO shown SUPER MAJORITY support???  If 75% of the people are LEFT, then why is it even necessary to worry about the 25% that are in the middle or on the right???</p>
<p>This is just more bullshit TradMed trying to define the CW methinks.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re reading this PW, would love to hear your take on that article.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnForde</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/16/time-to-throw-some-elbows-on-healthcare-reform-mr-president/#comment-1997614</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnForde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t one of the essential skills of politics calculated ambiguity?  Big money constituencies are less inclined to attack the president if they think he might be an ally. Maybe Obama doesn&#039;t want to put his hands on the ball and have people start attacking him until the ball is on the one yard line. If BO had alerted AHIP months ago that he supports a PO they would have been shooting at him all along.

I hope BO will push for a PO. If you know the story of his mothers death it&#039;s almost unimaginable that he wouldn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t one of the essential skills of politics calculated ambiguity?  Big money constituencies are less inclined to attack the president if they think he might be an ally. Maybe Obama doesn&#8217;t want to put his hands on the ball and have people start attacking him until the ball is on the one yard line. If BO had alerted AHIP months ago that he supports a PO they would have been shooting at him all along.</p>
<p>I hope BO will push for a PO. If you know the story of his mothers death it&#8217;s almost unimaginable that he wouldn&#8217;t.</p>
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