Save what? The Public Option you say? Okay, call me cynical, WHAT IS IT?

Is it Jacob Hacker’s plan? Is it a modified (for the better, but I don’t see how) version of it? It is much weaker version of it (according to reports, 3 of the 4 house versions and the HELP version are all weaker).

Then we are fighting for mediocrity?

Clearly whatever the Right came up with hasn’t worked and were still fighting over the compromise????

We’re having Tim Philips on TRMS just to fight for “The Public Option” and their opposition?

That’s what makes this whole thing the failure half ass reform that it is.

Everybody is already conceding the defeat of various parts of the House and Senate HELP bills that are far more progressive than the Finance Committee’s JUNK.

Grayson is right, the LEFT has no fortitude

If they want to act like children (the right) why do we have the be the adults in the room when a majority of Americans are child like themselves?

When we are going to raise a million dollars to donate to get the House and Senate to pass Single Payer? Put it on the floor vote for it, identify who didn’t vote for it, focus on them in 2010. If they are in a district that protects them from progressive opponents, fuck’em we’ll bowl over them by replacing the ones we can in states that won’t protect their ConservaDems.

This is LIFE and DEATH as Keith has said, as Greyson has said, let’s get it done and stop being so lily livered!

As klynn (35) wrote, “….fear mongering is bad for the country.” Game over. Point made. She could have worked her way back from the astroturf example with past representation of amoral positions.

Rachel is no where close to tweety or FauxNoise interviewers. She actually invites the interviewee to critique her introductions of them.

I assert that she becomes exasperated with their cognitive dissonance, just as I do. I analyze it as different paradigms: Rachel is about facts and moral honesty, whereever they take her. Guys like Tim Phillips are about amoral representation of a client regardless of facts or morality. Phillips has demonstrated, as Rachel noted again and again, that he literally will represent any amoral position and smile while he does it. Logical arguments fall apart when those two paradigms are so different.

I truly appreciate that Rachel is willing to do this face to face, in real time, without a net, and not limit herself to a time slot. She’s learning and as long as she doesn’t burn out and become cynical, she’s earned my eyeballs most evenings.

If this was a fight to save Single Payer from not being passed, the base might actually show up in protest, but its hard to get excited about a vague phase like “Public Option”.

BINGO!

Here’s the question I keep asking: Why has there been NO national call for public demonstrations in towns and cities across America in support of Single Payer on a Saturday? We could get 1 million people in the streets, including small business owners, self-employed, unemployed, almost laid off, families with kids, families with kids in strollers, retirees, etc. In short, they’ll look like a cross section of Americans including people who have insurance.

Instead, I’ve been receiving invites from MoveOn to attend events being held on weekday afternoons to support public option. Who is going to show up on a Wednesday morning at 11:30 AM? I’m in charge of my schedule and even I have meetings to attend. Are they going to look like the electorate which is going to be paying the majority of the health care costs?

He’s slick and rolled with the punches well. RW fell down when she had to go back into the early 2000′s to find some “dirt” on him. He’s been good at covering his tracks and then typically like all liberals as you said, you let them shape the Nationalist debate and we get painted with the “We Think America Sucks” label.

That’s why when he always describes anybody he talks about as a “Great American”, like anybody that disagrees with their view of America is automatically Un-American.

Utter Nonsense.

Rachel didn’t get beat up, nor did she destroy him. When you have to stammer for words and put your argument together on the fly like she did in the end, it doesn’t look good.

Tim is no fool, he would never jump on Democracy Now, Amy would Destroy him.

Finally, Tim is right about one thing, the WH did conduct backroom deals with Doctors, Insurances Companies and BigPhrma without batting an eyelash and this is solely why the debate was lost when Single Payer was taken off the table from the start.

If this was a fight to save Single Payer from not being passed, the base might actually show up in protest, but its hard to get excited about a vague phase like “Public Option”.

Nor did I know that he worked on the crapulous campaign against Max Clelland. Phillips deserves to spend his so-called afterlife in the 7th circle of hell for that nasty piece of work (support the troops my left butt cheek).

RM exposed a lot of info on that show and put a face and a name out there for all of us to see and chew on. Good stuff. Yes, RM called him a name, but a name well-deserved. Phillips isn’t just business as usual; he’s playing for keeps; and it’s all about ripping off as many of us as possible. Good to know who’s in the line-up.

Just because we criticize Rachel Maddow does not mean that we don’t like her. There is always room for improvement, and given the stakes of this contest, we can always do better because if we don’t, the price for failure will be measured in lives and treasure again.