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		<title>By: JamesJoyce</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/16/bonfire-of-the-inanities/#comment-1997451</link>
		<dc:creator>JamesJoyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the refresh with the link!</description>
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		<title>By: JamesJoyce</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/16/bonfire-of-the-inanities/#comment-1997448</link>
		<dc:creator>JamesJoyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I can’t believe we’re actually considering mandates in the rest of the country, especially where the insurance corps are not regulated. just nuts.&quot;

Yes its retarded!!

Did you look at other states in the union in the AMA  Comp Study?   The 2009 AMA study is available for  $150.00 from AMA   ANY LINKS ANYONE!

http://www.ama-assn.org/ama1/pub/upload/mm/368/compstudy_52006.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I can’t believe we’re actually considering mandates in the rest of the country, especially where the insurance corps are not regulated. just nuts.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes its retarded!!</p>
<p>Did you look at other states in the union in the AMA  Comp Study?   The 2009 AMA study is available for  $150.00 from AMA   ANY LINKS ANYONE!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ama-assn.org/ama1/pub/upload/mm/368/compstudy_52006.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.ama-assn.org/ama1/pub/upload/mm/368/compstudy_52006.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/16/bonfire-of-the-inanities/#comment-1997444</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i don&#039;t have cable tv, so don&#039;t watch KO.

&lt;blockquote&gt;a challenge in Massachusetts’s health mandate law, any links!!!!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

see oldfatguy&#039;s comments to me on this thread:

http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/12/did-schumer-cause-the-ahip-freak-out/comment-page-1/

we&#039;re lucky in MA because we had pretty decent regulation before mandates. now, given MA&#039;s experience with cost, i can&#039;t believe we&#039;re actually considering mandates in the rest of the country, especially where the insurance corps are not regulated. just nuts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i don&#8217;t have cable tv, so don&#8217;t watch KO.</p>
<blockquote><p>a challenge in Massachusetts’s health mandate law, any links!!!!</p></blockquote>
<p>see oldfatguy&#8217;s comments to me on this thread:</p>
<p><a href="http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/12/did-schumer-cause-the-ahip-freak-out/comment-page-1/" rel="nofollow">http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/12/did-schumer-cause-the-ahip-freak-out/comment-page-1/</a></p>
<p>we&#8217;re lucky in MA because we had pretty decent regulation before mandates. now, given MA&#8217;s experience with cost, i can&#8217;t believe we&#8217;re actually considering mandates in the rest of the country, especially where the insurance corps are not regulated. just nuts.</p>
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		<title>By: JamesJoyce</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/16/bonfire-of-the-inanities/#comment-1997440</link>
		<dc:creator>JamesJoyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Corporate servitude predicated on &quot;Involuntary Servitude,&quot; to government and corporation under the facade of a legitimate government interest?

&quot;Involuntary servitude is a United States legal and constitutional &lt;strong&gt;term for a person laboring against that person&#039;s will to benefit another, under some form of coercion.&lt;/strong&gt; While laboring to benefit another occurs in the condition of slavery, involuntary servitude does not necessarily connote the complete lack of freedom experienced in chattel slavery; involuntary servitude may also refer to other forms of unfree labor. Involuntary servitude is not dependent upon compensation or its amount.&quot;

&quot;The Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution &lt;strong&gt;makes involuntary servitude illegal under any U.S. jurisdiction whether at the hands of the U.S. government or in the private sphere, except as punishment for a crime: &quot;Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.&quot;&quot;&lt;/strong&gt;

The rights of the governed are usurped by an &quot;unconstitutional mandate&quot; which violate constitutional due process and equal protection clause under the law, for individuals, while protecting the financial solvency or government and corporations, at the expense of the republic and governed.   

Control the corporations..................................</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corporate servitude predicated on &#8220;Involuntary Servitude,&#8221; to government and corporation under the facade of a legitimate government interest?</p>
<p>&#8220;Involuntary servitude is a United States legal and constitutional <strong>term for a person laboring against that person&#8217;s will to benefit another, under some form of coercion.</strong> While laboring to benefit another occurs in the condition of slavery, involuntary servitude does not necessarily connote the complete lack of freedom experienced in chattel slavery; involuntary servitude may also refer to other forms of unfree labor. Involuntary servitude is not dependent upon compensation or its amount.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;The Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution <strong>makes involuntary servitude illegal under any U.S. jurisdiction whether at the hands of the U.S. government or in the private sphere, except as punishment for a crime: &#8220;Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.&#8221;"</strong></p>
<p>The rights of the governed are usurped by an &#8220;unconstitutional mandate&#8221; which violate constitutional due process and equal protection clause under the law, for individuals, while protecting the financial solvency or government and corporations, at the expense of the republic and governed.   </p>
<p>Control the corporations&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: JamesJoyce</title>
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		<dc:creator>JamesJoyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Selise, 

In our state, driving is a privileged issued out of a &quot;Cracker Jack Box,&quot; at a reasonable fee.  The analogy between auto and health insurance, fails!  KO was sickening last night on the issue!

We have the usurpation of constitutional rights at the state level in Massachusetts by a government in collusion with corporations.  Does Blue Cross Blue Shield violates IRS rules of inurement? when laws are passed that require citizens to enter into contracts with insurance corporations, which benefit from the law, considering they dominate the market in MA, tax exempt?  Larry O&#039;Donnel (SP as usual) did mention a challenge in Massachusetts&#039;s health mandate law, any links!!!!

Seems the state&#039;s and health insurers are really injurious to rights of Americans. Some states still exercise discrimination where interracial couples seeking marriage certificate are denied protection of law based on race?  Yup still happening in 2009!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Selise, </p>
<p>In our state, driving is a privileged issued out of a &#8220;Cracker Jack Box,&#8221; at a reasonable fee.  The analogy between auto and health insurance, fails!  KO was sickening last night on the issue!</p>
<p>We have the usurpation of constitutional rights at the state level in Massachusetts by a government in collusion with corporations.  Does Blue Cross Blue Shield violates IRS rules of inurement? when laws are passed that require citizens to enter into contracts with insurance corporations, which benefit from the law, considering they dominate the market in MA, tax exempt?  Larry O&#8217;Donnel (SP as usual) did mention a challenge in Massachusetts&#8217;s health mandate law, any links!!!!</p>
<p>Seems the state&#8217;s and health insurers are really injurious to rights of Americans. Some states still exercise discrimination where interracial couples seeking marriage certificate are denied protection of law based on race?  Yup still happening in 2009!</p>
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		<title>By: JamesJoyce</title>
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		<dc:creator>JamesJoyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the correction... Paraphrasing of sorts, the gist of what Jefferson feared is still there, no!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the correction&#8230; Paraphrasing of sorts, the gist of what Jefferson feared is still there, no!</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/16/bonfire-of-the-inanities/#comment-1997389</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i don&#039;t have to have a car. that&#039;s a choice (it&#039;s also a well regulated market). individual mandates for health insurance is not the same thing at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i don&#8217;t have to have a car. that&#8217;s a choice (it&#8217;s also a well regulated market). individual mandates for health insurance is not the same thing at all.</p>
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		<title>By: formidable</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/16/bonfire-of-the-inanities/#comment-1997388</link>
		<dc:creator>formidable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You ask a good question -- what&#039;s happening in America today?

It&#039;s called economic indebtedness -- a.k.a. economic slavery -- the same issue that drove the colonists to revolt against Britain.  In the modern-day case scenario, it&#039;s been engineered by the corporate aristocracy over many decades and what we&#039;re experiencing right now is the result of their efforts.

Of course, none of this could have been accomplished without the blessings and help of our elected legislators/prostitutes (needless to say) so it all comes back home to roost with the voters who either stayed at home and didn&#039;t vote at all, or who were swayed by the propaganda fed to them by the interest groups wanting to make sure the &quot;right&quot; politicians got elected.

As long as you let a bully push you around, he&#039;s going to do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You ask a good question &#8212; what&#8217;s happening in America today?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s called economic indebtedness &#8212; a.k.a. economic slavery &#8212; the same issue that drove the colonists to revolt against Britain.  In the modern-day case scenario, it&#8217;s been engineered by the corporate aristocracy over many decades and what we&#8217;re experiencing right now is the result of their efforts.</p>
<p>Of course, none of this could have been accomplished without the blessings and help of our elected legislators/prostitutes (needless to say) so it all comes back home to roost with the voters who either stayed at home and didn&#8217;t vote at all, or who were swayed by the propaganda fed to them by the interest groups wanting to make sure the &#8220;right&#8221; politicians got elected.</p>
<p>As long as you let a bully push you around, he&#8217;s going to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
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		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>second that. professional, but not expensive (for example, i wouldn&#039;t wear gold jewelry). and when you canvass, you can modify your dress according to the areas you will be visiting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>second that. professional, but not expensive (for example, i wouldn&#8217;t wear gold jewelry). and when you canvass, you can modify your dress according to the areas you will be visiting.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
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		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i hate the individual mandate and i will hate every dem who supports implementing one nationally. the experience in MA is that it does not affect the cost that much, and scarecrow says whatever cost savings there are is a one time (first year) thing. while the insurance companies continue to get the benefit year after year of a captured (enforced by the irs!) customer base.

there is NO way individual mandates should be implemented for private for profit corporations. it would be different if we had something like the swiss have with massive regulation and enforcement, but that&#039;s not happening here (especially with mr. larry no-regulation summers in charge).

let&#039;s see the health insurance industry regulated first (and not some faux, weak regulation that&#039;s poorly enforced).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i hate the individual mandate and i will hate every dem who supports implementing one nationally. the experience in MA is that it does not affect the cost that much, and scarecrow says whatever cost savings there are is a one time (first year) thing. while the insurance companies continue to get the benefit year after year of a captured (enforced by the irs!) customer base.</p>
<p>there is NO way individual mandates should be implemented for private for profit corporations. it would be different if we had something like the swiss have with massive regulation and enforcement, but that&#8217;s not happening here (especially with mr. larry no-regulation summers in charge).</p>
<p>let&#8217;s see the health insurance industry regulated first (and not some faux, weak regulation that&#8217;s poorly enforced).</p>
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