As far as background goes, Prop 8 was the final disposition of the case initiated after Gavin Newsom authorized the CIty clerk to issue marriage licenses to any two people. He did this because we almost beat him in the previous election (even though they outspent us 9:1 and Willie Brown’s Department of Elections cheated by releasing absentee ballots before the date on the official calendar with Newsom’s campaign informed) including in Supervisorial District 8, the Castro. So in order to win over a swing constituency, Newsom pulled same sex marriage, the case went to court, the Supreme Court decided our way, and that drew an initiative.

Hets need to let queers run our own movement.

I’ve also noticed this really annoying trend amongst het friends who support same sex marriage, who have chided me for wondering why they’re supporting one of the most conservative gay rights projects, as if my thoughts as a queer are subordinate to their altruism on my behalf.

As for adding anything substantive to the discussion, how about this; I, as a straight male, was in the fucking streets of the San Francisco Bay Area protesting for Gay Rights before you were fucking born. Find another target.

Wow! I thought I could read and shit. Actually read back over my comment and could not find that I said that. Anywhere. Real surprised you did though.

Sorry Mod, will try to not let it happen again.

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So eloquent. Why not read my piece in the Bay Area Reporter linked above?

Religious people tend to oppose same sex marriage.

Non religious people from all political perspectives tend to support same sex marriage.

Do you actually think that all conservative people are religious, or that no liberal people are religious?

And then there are those of us who are radical queers who could care less for state legitimation of our relationships, and who only got involved in the same sex marriage campaign after the alpha homosexuals raised and spent $45m and got their clocks cleaned, screwing us all through their hubris and incompetence.

But it is probably easier to keep on bleating: “four legs good, two legs bad.”

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Mod note: **** Please don’t do that.

I know you are not a reliable judge.

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Yeah, I guess being gay and living in California, with a sister who lives outside of Portland, ME means that I have nothing constructive to add to this, simply because I disagreed with your elsewhere.

Keep on, keepin’ on with the politics of subtraction!

I don’t know if support for same sex marriage is a reliable marker for progressive strength

I know you are not a reliable judge.