Comments on: Taking Out the Intelligence Laundry: McClatchy Avoids Policy Debate in Pro-Escalation Afghanistan Report http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/12/taking-out-the-intelligence-laundry-mcclatchy-avoids-policy-debate-in-pro-escalation-afghanistan-report/ Firedoglake weblog Sat, 18 Feb 2012 08:28:03 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: SunnyNobility http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/12/taking-out-the-intelligence-laundry-mcclatchy-avoids-policy-debate-in-pro-escalation-afghanistan-report/#comment-1995047 SunnyNobility Tue, 13 Oct 2009 01:58:37 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/?p=44693#comment-1995047 I want to argue the objective. Does that come under policy? Sincere question. (edit: rely not aimed at post 8. sorry) I want to argue the objective.
Does that come under policy? Sincere question.

(edit: rely not aimed at post 8. sorry)

]]> By: MarkH http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/12/taking-out-the-intelligence-laundry-mcclatchy-avoids-policy-debate-in-pro-escalation-afghanistan-report/#comment-1995045 MarkH Tue, 13 Oct 2009 01:51:40 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/?p=44693#comment-1995045 Isn't it amazing how they scream about wasted tax dollars and government being too big and then they turn around and say "Let's spend more!"? Isn’t it amazing how they scream about wasted tax dollars and government being too big and then they turn around and say “Let’s spend more!”?

]]> By: jcc2455 http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/12/taking-out-the-intelligence-laundry-mcclatchy-avoids-policy-debate-in-pro-escalation-afghanistan-report/#comment-1995044 jcc2455 Tue, 13 Oct 2009 01:50:29 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/?p=44693#comment-1995044 "The problem with any story about this region that focuses on intelligence reports is that the intelligence can easily offer contradictory information:" The real problem with any story about this region that focuses on intelligence reports is that in general, the US intelligence community doesn't know shit about the region. “The problem with any story about this region that focuses on intelligence reports is that the intelligence can easily offer contradictory information:”

The real problem with any story about this region that focuses on intelligence reports is that in general, the US intelligence community doesn’t know shit about the region.

]]> By: Mary http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/12/taking-out-the-intelligence-laundry-mcclatchy-avoids-policy-debate-in-pro-escalation-afghanistan-report/#comment-1995038 Mary Tue, 13 Oct 2009 01:30:12 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/?p=44693#comment-1995038 And only one perspective gets a pay off for their spouse. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/04/22/MN310531.DTL That should reassure people who are sending their children off to die. And only one perspective gets a pay off for their spouse.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/04/22/MN310531.DTL

That should reassure people who are sending their children off to die.

]]> By: ThingsComeUndone http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/12/taking-out-the-intelligence-laundry-mcclatchy-avoids-policy-debate-in-pro-escalation-afghanistan-report/#comment-1995035 ThingsComeUndone Tue, 13 Oct 2009 01:15:06 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/?p=44693#comment-1995035 I think I need to read more Generals arguing for more troops to get the lines I need to finish this song but I worry teh stupid might be catching. I think I need to read more Generals arguing for more troops to get the lines I need to finish this song but I worry teh stupid might be catching.

]]> By: ThingsComeUndone http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/12/taking-out-the-intelligence-laundry-mcclatchy-avoids-policy-debate-in-pro-escalation-afghanistan-report/#comment-1995034 ThingsComeUndone Tue, 13 Oct 2009 01:13:28 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/?p=44693#comment-1995034 One More Chance <em>Why I thought the Mission was accomplished</em>? Your not listening to me the Generals, the Diplomats the Intelligence agencies all say that this Time I'm goin Win <em>Generals, Diplomats, Intelligence agencies are you off your meds again are those the voices in your head talkin or you drunk friends at the bar.</em>? We can win this time all I need are 40,000 more troops I mean Lottery Tickets! Damm I thought fallin for Greenspan's Housing bubble con was as dumb as you went! One More Chance

Why I thought the Mission was accomplished?

Your not listening to me the Generals, the Diplomats the Intelligence agencies all say that this Time I’m goin Win

Generals, Diplomats, Intelligence agencies are you off your meds again are those the voices in your head talkin
or you drunk friends at the bar.?

We can win this time all I need are 40,000 more troops I mean Lottery Tickets!

Damm I thought fallin for Greenspan’s Housing bubble con was as dumb as you went!

]]> By: ThingsComeUndone http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/12/taking-out-the-intelligence-laundry-mcclatchy-avoids-policy-debate-in-pro-escalation-afghanistan-report/#comment-1995031 ThingsComeUndone Tue, 13 Oct 2009 01:03:40 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/?p=44693#comment-1995031 I want someone in the press willing to find a single General willing to go on the record about how are we going to pay for these wars. Thats Congress's job won't work the Pentagon needs to plan for a budget because 7 years of wild war spending IS IT. If the Generals can't win a war in 7 years then its time to admit defeat! Worlds Last Super Power, Best Army in the World...and they still lose! In other countries there Pensions and even their lives would be gone! But here <em>they have the gall to</em> <strong>demand</strong> <strong>One More Chance!</strong> This sounds like a Country song about an ex husband who never did any good creepin around the back door screaming One More Chance! I want someone in the press willing to find a single General willing to go on the record about how are we going to pay for these wars.
Thats Congress’s job won’t work the Pentagon needs to plan for a budget because 7 years of wild war spending IS IT.
If the Generals can’t win a war in 7 years then its time to admit defeat! Worlds Last Super Power, Best Army in the World…and they still lose!
In other countries there Pensions and even their lives would be gone!
But here they have the gall to demand One More Chance!
This sounds like a Country song about an ex husband who never did any good creepin around the back door screaming One More Chance!

]]> By: shootthatarrow http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/12/taking-out-the-intelligence-laundry-mcclatchy-avoids-policy-debate-in-pro-escalation-afghanistan-report/#comment-1995030 shootthatarrow Tue, 13 Oct 2009 01:03:02 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/?p=44693#comment-1995030 Maybe Afghanistan does not want Americans in Afghanistan doing democracy missionary work. After what befell Iraq American democracy missionary work does not really seem very sincere or capable of convincing the natives it is really great---really it is---never mind Xe or that torture stuff. Maybe WashingtonDC,the Pentagon,the CIA and some big and wealthy corporatists are not telling the truth as to why Afghanistan is on the you get our democracy like it or not list? There is a lot of energy to be exploited in lands north of Afghanistan that will require pipelines,supply lines and stable investment framing all of which are powering WashingtonDCs interest in Afghanistan which goes back to the Bill Clinton WH. George W. Bush and Dick Cheney have fingerprints all over this to be sure. This is not about Afghanis getting democracy. This is about resource exploitation/transit security or gaining control of lands bordering Iran to the east as well as from Iraq to the west of Iran in order to present Iran with very real military threats as WashingtonDC may desire or does desire to fulfil. Then there is the matter of Pakistan and that is not independent of above considerations either. It would be more useful if the Pentagon would stop the lie telling for the hidden interests behind what is really driving this AF-Pak conflict seeking on part of WashingtonDC. Are there any real American patriots in the Pentagon capable of telling the truth? Any? Maybe Afghanistan does not want Americans in Afghanistan doing democracy missionary work. After what befell Iraq American democracy missionary work does not really seem very sincere or capable of convincing the natives it is really great—really it is—never mind Xe or that torture stuff.

Maybe WashingtonDC,the Pentagon,the CIA and some big and wealthy corporatists are not telling the truth as to why Afghanistan is on the you get our democracy like it or not list?

There is a lot of energy to be exploited in lands north of Afghanistan that will require pipelines,supply lines and stable investment framing all of which are powering WashingtonDCs interest in Afghanistan which goes back to the Bill Clinton WH. George W. Bush and Dick Cheney have fingerprints all over this to be sure.

This is not about Afghanis getting democracy. This is about resource exploitation/transit security or gaining control of lands bordering Iran to the east as well as from Iraq to the west of Iran in order to present Iran with very real military threats as WashingtonDC may desire or does desire to fulfil.

Then there is the matter of Pakistan and that is not independent of above considerations either.

It would be more useful if the Pentagon would stop the lie telling for the hidden interests behind what is really driving this AF-Pak conflict seeking on part of WashingtonDC.

Are there any real American patriots in the Pentagon capable of telling the truth? Any?

]]> By: ThingsComeUndone http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/12/taking-out-the-intelligence-laundry-mcclatchy-avoids-policy-debate-in-pro-escalation-afghanistan-report/#comment-1995029 ThingsComeUndone Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:55:59 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/?p=44693#comment-1995029 Agreed. Agreed.

]]> By: SanderO http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/12/taking-out-the-intelligence-laundry-mcclatchy-avoids-policy-debate-in-pro-escalation-afghanistan-report/#comment-1995028 SanderO Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:54:20 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/?p=44693#comment-1995028 OT, one thing that I like about FDL is that we are frequently given actions we can take, petitions to sign, critters to call and so forth. It's very important to turn concern and anger into action. The pups are well informed but the fact that they are become ACTION pups is crucial to getting change. Jane is a giant in this. We need more action. OT, one thing that I like about FDL is that we are frequently given actions we can take, petitions to sign, critters to call and so forth. It’s very important to turn concern and anger into action. The pups are well informed but the fact that they are become ACTION pups is crucial to getting change. Jane is a giant in this.

We need more action.

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