Comments on: Bill Nelson Says No to the Public Option “Opt-Out” http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/12/bill-nelson-says-no-to-the-public-option-opt-out/ Firedoglake weblog Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:09:33 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: dmargoliss http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/12/bill-nelson-says-no-to-the-public-option-opt-out/#comment-1995214 dmargoliss Tue, 13 Oct 2009 05:13:12 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/?p=44724#comment-1995214 the trigger is the way to go. that will cut costs. Listen to Ezra Klein, Dylan Ratigan and Dionne, then the whitehouse will not tell you to get out of your pajamas. the trigger is the way to go. that will cut costs.
Listen to Ezra Klein, Dylan Ratigan and Dionne, then the whitehouse will not tell you to get out of your pajamas.

]]> By: bmull http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/12/bill-nelson-says-no-to-the-public-option-opt-out/#comment-1995026 bmull Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:43:26 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/?p=44724#comment-1995026 I agree with you about Opt Out. That trial balloon is going nowhere. I strongly disagree with those who attack the AHIP report because it comes from the insurance industry. By that measure the quarterly reports of every public company would be suspect. This is the first time the public has ever seen projected premium costs for both the insurance exchange and the larger employer-based market. The AHIP numbers are exactly what I would expect based on the Massachussetts experience. The burden is on those who doubt AHIP's numbers to produce their own analysis. (And no, CBO did not provide comparable data.) I agree with you about Opt Out. That trial balloon is going nowhere.

I strongly disagree with those who attack the AHIP report because it comes from the insurance industry. By that measure the quarterly reports of every public company would be suspect.

This is the first time the public has ever seen projected premium costs for both the insurance exchange and the larger employer-based market. The AHIP numbers are exactly what I would expect based on the Massachussetts experience. The burden is on those who doubt AHIP’s numbers to produce their own analysis. (And no, CBO did not provide comparable data.)

]]> By: marcos http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/12/bill-nelson-says-no-to-the-public-option-opt-out/#comment-1995021 marcos Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:33:27 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/?p=44724#comment-1995021 <blockquote>The opt out and trigger proposals are a complete sham, intended only to provide cover for pols lacking the courage, brains, or integrity to do the right thing.</blockquote> Yes, but here we are.

The opt out and trigger proposals are a complete sham, intended only to provide cover for pols lacking the courage, brains, or integrity to do the right thing.

Yes, but here we are.

]]> By: cbl2 http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/12/bill-nelson-says-no-to-the-public-option-opt-out/#comment-1995010 cbl2 Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:35:10 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/?p=44724#comment-1995010 sorry Rev, didn't see your input there. and there is the no small matter of Labor - Reid has counted on the influential Culinary Workers in past re election efforts - but they kept their distance from him until he recently introduced EFCA to the floor . they are re-affiliated with AFL-CIO so don't think the Baucus Caucus will be helpful what's a quisling to do ?:D sorry Rev, didn’t see your input there.

and there is the no small matter of Labor – Reid has counted on the influential Culinary Workers in past re election efforts – but they kept their distance from him until he recently introduced EFCA to the floor . they are re-affiliated with AFL-CIO so don’t think the Baucus Caucus will be helpful

what’s a quisling to do ?:D

]]> By: frankBel http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/12/bill-nelson-says-no-to-the-public-option-opt-out/#comment-1995009 frankBel Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:33:17 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/?p=44724#comment-1995009 I live in Austin, Texas, and I would love an optional Public Option. Let those red-dog Republicans publicly deny their constituents access to the health insurance available to everyone else. Here, in Texas we have Kay Bailey Hutchison gearing up for a fight with Rick Perry for Governor. Injecting health insurance and the role of the federal government into the Governor's campaign would reverberate into many of the down-ballot races and be an effective vehicle for educating the public. Likewise in many other states. Yes, there would be some states that would opt out, probably more out of adolescent anger than political chicanery. but as long as it was as easy to opt back in as it was to opt out, it would not be long before voters would be taking care of business. I live in Austin, Texas, and I would love an optional Public Option. Let those red-dog Republicans publicly deny their constituents access to the health insurance available to everyone else. Here, in Texas we have Kay Bailey Hutchison gearing up for a fight with Rick Perry for Governor. Injecting health insurance and the role of the federal government into the Governor’s campaign would reverberate into many of the down-ballot races and be an effective vehicle for educating the public. Likewise in many other states. Yes, there would be some states that would opt out, probably more out of adolescent anger than political chicanery. but as long as it was as easy to opt back in as it was to opt out, it would not be long before voters would be taking care of business.

]]> By: cbl2 http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/12/bill-nelson-says-no-to-the-public-option-opt-out/#comment-1995008 cbl2 Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:29:58 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/?p=44724#comment-1995008 <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/10/12/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5379681.shtml" rel="nofollow">this one's about 3 hours old</a> currently behind one GOP challenger by 5 pts, and another by 10. this one’s about 3 hours old

currently behind one GOP challenger by 5 pts, and another by 10.

]]> By: Peterr http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/12/bill-nelson-says-no-to-the-public-option-opt-out/#comment-1995007 Peterr Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:18:00 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/?p=44724#comment-1995007 He might be defeated, but it won't be a surprise to him. This has been coming for quite a while, and has been in the NV media on a regular basis. The latest is this from the <a href="http://www.lvrj.com/news/two-could-beat-reid-poll-finds-63955312.html" rel="nofollow">Las Vegas Review-Journal</a> yesterday: <blockquote>Nevadans say they're ready to replace longtime Democratic incumbent Sen. Harry Reid with an untested Republican. Which Republican? Undecided. But of their top two picks -- former GOP party official Sue Lowden and real estate developer Danny Tarkanian -- either one would unseat Reid if the election were held today, according to a poll commissioned by the Review-Journal. [snip] In one general election scenario, 49 percent of respondents picked Lowden and 39 percent chose Reid. In another, 48 percent picked Tarkanian to 43 percent for Reid. That poll, which surveyed 500 voters Tuesday through Thursday, has a margin of error of plus or minus 4.5 percentage points. In Clark County, where Reid needs to dominate to win another term, he is in a statistical tie with either Lowden or Tarkanian. "That is the bad news," UNLV political science professor David Damore said of Reid's Clark County numbers. "That tells you there is a disaffected base there."</blockquote> Harry's hurting, and he knows it all too well. The question is this: will he move toward the Baucus Caucus position to court more conservative voters, or will he move toward the public option to energize more progressive voters? He might be defeated, but it won’t be a surprise to him. This has been coming for quite a while, and has been in the NV media on a regular basis.

The latest is this from the Las Vegas Review-Journal yesterday:

Nevadans say they’re ready to replace longtime Democratic incumbent Sen. Harry Reid with an untested Republican.

Which Republican? Undecided.

But of their top two picks — former GOP party official Sue Lowden and real estate developer Danny Tarkanian — either one would unseat Reid if the election were held today, according to a poll commissioned by the Review-Journal.

[snip]

In one general election scenario, 49 percent of respondents picked Lowden and 39 percent chose Reid. In another, 48 percent picked Tarkanian to 43 percent for Reid. That poll, which surveyed 500 voters Tuesday through Thursday, has a margin of error of plus or minus 4.5 percentage points.

In Clark County, where Reid needs to dominate to win another term, he is in a statistical tie with either Lowden or Tarkanian.

“That is the bad news,” UNLV political science professor David Damore said of Reid’s Clark County numbers. “That tells you there is a disaffected base there.”

Harry’s hurting, and he knows it all too well. The question is this: will he move toward the Baucus Caucus position to court more conservative voters, or will he move toward the public option to energize more progressive voters?

]]> By: Twain http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/12/bill-nelson-says-no-to-the-public-option-opt-out/#comment-1995006 Twain Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:08:37 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/?p=44724#comment-1995006 If you consider Reid, it must be who has the softest voice and the least spine. If you consider Reid, it must be who has the softest voice and the least spine.

]]> By: ratfood http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/12/bill-nelson-says-no-to-the-public-option-opt-out/#comment-1995005 ratfood Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:59:38 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/?p=44724#comment-1995005 I don't know how they pick leaders, if it is based only on seniority, favors owed, or what. Be nice if effectiveness was among the criteria but it clearly is not. I don’t know how they pick leaders, if it is based only on seniority, favors owed, or what. Be nice if effectiveness was among the criteria but it clearly is not.

]]> By: SouthernDragon http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/12/bill-nelson-says-no-to-the-public-option-opt-out/#comment-1995004 SouthernDragon Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:59:15 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/?p=44724#comment-1995004 Bamboo Bill is not a lot different from Short Ride as far as loyalties go. He'll vote the way his wealthy donors want him to vote. The homeowner's insurance disaster we have here in FL is due in large part to Bamboo Bill's tenure as insurance commissioner. Bamboo Bill is not a lot different from Short Ride as far as loyalties go. He’ll vote the way his wealthy donors want him to vote. The homeowner’s insurance disaster we have here in FL is due in large part to Bamboo Bill’s tenure as insurance commissioner.

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