Comments on: The Debris of an Occupation http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/09/the-debris-of-an-occupation/ Firedoglake weblog Fri, 17 Feb 2012 06:57:32 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: bobh http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/09/the-debris-of-an-occupation/#comment-1993191 bobh Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:09:17 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/09/the-debris-of-an-occupation/#comment-1993191 And don't forget, those arguing that Obama has no "real accomplishments", that Iraq withdrawal is a major accomplishment. And don’t forget, those arguing that Obama has no “real accomplishments”, that Iraq withdrawal is a major accomplishment.

]]> By: solerso http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/09/the-debris-of-an-occupation/#comment-1993106 solerso Sat, 10 Oct 2009 03:47:24 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/09/the-debris-of-an-occupation/#comment-1993106 <p>thanks for noting that, and quite correct. the romans, actually, only knew the part of the world known as afghanistan even existed from the semi-mythological “histories” that were then available, of alexander the great. the romans knew enough about engineering and management to stay out of the himalayas.</p> thanks for noting that, and quite correct. the romans, actually, only knew the part of the world known as afghanistan even existed from the semi-mythological “histories” that were then available, of alexander the great. the romans knew enough about engineering and management to stay out of the himalayas.

]]> By: Petrocelli http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/09/the-debris-of-an-occupation/#comment-1992847 Petrocelli Fri, 09 Oct 2009 23:33:30 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/09/the-debris-of-an-occupation/#comment-1992847 <p>I don’t know who Pierce is, but Hugh is practically infallible, IMVHO.</p> I don’t know who Pierce is, but Hugh is practically infallible, IMVHO.

]]> By: ShotoJamf http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/09/the-debris-of-an-occupation/#comment-1992833 ShotoJamf Fri, 09 Oct 2009 23:00:10 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/09/the-debris-of-an-occupation/#comment-1992833 <p><em>“Nice catch, wrt the “several Caesars” reference. That’s one reason I love this place … the brain power catches every error.”</em></p> <p>This has started me wondering. I can’t imagine Pierce just up and missed the point, but anything’s possible. A clarification is probably in order.</p> “Nice catch, wrt the “several Caesars” reference. That’s one reason I love this place … the brain power catches every error.”

This has started me wondering. I can’t imagine Pierce just up and missed the point, but anything’s possible. A clarification is probably in order.

]]> By: ThingsComeUndone http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/09/the-debris-of-an-occupation/#comment-1992832 ThingsComeUndone Fri, 09 Oct 2009 22:55:44 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/09/the-debris-of-an-occupation/#comment-1992832 <p>If that turns out to be true thats the sort of thing Obama should declassify now. Torture, WMD the 20%ers don’t care but turning down a chance to get Ossama and Ossama is still free?<br /> I think even the 20%ers would support a trial for that Criminal Negligence maybe?</p> If that turns out to be true thats the sort of thing Obama should declassify now. Torture, WMD the 20%ers don’t care but turning down a chance to get Ossama and Ossama is still free?
I think even the 20%ers would support a trial for that Criminal Negligence maybe?

]]> By: Petrocelli http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/09/the-debris-of-an-occupation/#comment-1992831 Petrocelli Fri, 09 Oct 2009 22:44:18 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/09/the-debris-of-an-occupation/#comment-1992831 <p>Nice catch, wrt the “several Caesars” reference. That’s one reason I love this place … the brain power catches every error.</p> <p>Methinks Obama will separate AQ from the Taliban. It’s been said that Mullah Omar wanted to offer up OBL and key AQ heads [pun intended] in exchange for a truce with America but Bush/Cheney ignored him.</p> Nice catch, wrt the “several Caesars” reference. That’s one reason I love this place … the brain power catches every error.

Methinks Obama will separate AQ from the Taliban. It’s been said that Mullah Omar wanted to offer up OBL and key AQ heads [pun intended] in exchange for a truce with America but Bush/Cheney ignored him.

]]> By: ShotoJamf http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/09/the-debris-of-an-occupation/#comment-1992830 ShotoJamf Fri, 09 Oct 2009 22:43:07 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/09/the-debris-of-an-occupation/#comment-1992830 <p>You might want to shoot him a note over at:</p> <p><a href="http://www.thenation.com/blogs/altercation/482673/slacker_friday" rel="nofollow">http://www.thenation.com/blogs.....ker_friday</a></p> You might want to shoot him a note over at:

http://www.thenation.com/blogs…..ker_friday

]]> By: Hugh http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/09/the-debris-of-an-occupation/#comment-1992829 Hugh Fri, 09 Oct 2009 22:37:26 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/09/the-debris-of-an-occupation/#comment-1992829 <p>I wonder how all this squares with no further withdrawal of troops until next year and the clear desire by Obama to keep around 50,000 troops in Iraq indefinitely. </p> <p>Re Pierce, just a historical note: the Romans were never within hundreds of miles of Afghanistan.</p> I wonder how all this squares with no further withdrawal of troops until next year and the clear desire by Obama to keep around 50,000 troops in Iraq indefinitely.

Re Pierce, just a historical note: the Romans were never within hundreds of miles of Afghanistan.

]]> By: SouthernDragon http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/09/the-debris-of-an-occupation/#comment-1992828 SouthernDragon Fri, 09 Oct 2009 22:36:03 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/09/the-debris-of-an-occupation/#comment-1992828 <p>Whoa, 10 penny nail hit with a 16 ounce framing hammer.</p> Whoa, 10 penny nail hit with a 16 ounce framing hammer.

]]> By: ShotoJamf http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/09/the-debris-of-an-occupation/#comment-1992827 ShotoJamf Fri, 09 Oct 2009 22:30:27 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/10/09/the-debris-of-an-occupation/#comment-1992827 <p>Charles Pierce had this comment on Afghanistan today. He nails it, as usual:</p> <p>“I am admittedly not an expert on the culture and politics of what we all used to call the Near East. I am particularly not expert on the politics and culture of Afghanistan–which, come to think of it, puts me in roughly the same boat as Alexander The Great, several Caesars, a handful of British PM’s, and Leonid Brezhnev, all of whom down through the centuries paid far more dearly for their ignorance than I ever will. But I do know that there is in this country a seriously building sense that the war there has spiraled beyond any rational attempt to control it. Correct me if I’m wrong but what I see now is a vicious and expanding tribal conflict the roots of which go back beyond the invention of movable type, and one that’s now energized by a thoroughly modern war between several thoroughly modern drug cartels, all of which is taking place right on top of the least stable member of the Nuclear Bomb Club. And we’re the referees. How this is possibly a coherent foreign policy moving forward is, I confess, beyond me, but it’s going to be what finally blows up the Obama Administration politically. Of that, I am certain.”</p> <p>Um…Yup.<br /><a href="http://www.thenation.com/blogs/altercation/482673/slacker_friday" rel="nofollow"><em>link</em></a></p> Charles Pierce had this comment on Afghanistan today. He nails it, as usual:

“I am admittedly not an expert on the culture and politics of what we all used to call the Near East. I am particularly not expert on the politics and culture of Afghanistan–which, come to think of it, puts me in roughly the same boat as Alexander The Great, several Caesars, a handful of British PM’s, and Leonid Brezhnev, all of whom down through the centuries paid far more dearly for their ignorance than I ever will. But I do know that there is in this country a seriously building sense that the war there has spiraled beyond any rational attempt to control it. Correct me if I’m wrong but what I see now is a vicious and expanding tribal conflict the roots of which go back beyond the invention of movable type, and one that’s now energized by a thoroughly modern war between several thoroughly modern drug cartels, all of which is taking place right on top of the least stable member of the Nuclear Bomb Club. And we’re the referees. How this is possibly a coherent foreign policy moving forward is, I confess, beyond me, but it’s going to be what finally blows up the Obama Administration politically. Of that, I am certain.”

Um…Yup.
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