Oklahoma, you’re seriously NOT O.K.:
On Nov. 1, a law in Oklahoma will go into effect that will collect personal details about every single abortion performed in the state and post them on a public website. Implementing the measure will “cost $281,285 the first year and $256,285 each subsequent year.”
Under H.B. 1595, the state of Oklahoma is going to spend over a quarter of a million of its taxpayers’ dollars annually to try to shame women into foregoing abortions. Isn’t that special? It’s almost enough to make one long for the martini-clouded days before Roe v. Wade, when women only had to deal with the life-threatening dangers of back alley abortions, without the additional stigma of government-sponsored Internet shunning.
The following is the posted information that the Gilead Oklahoma legislators believe will be generic enough to avoid that irksome HIPAA:
1. Date of abortion
2. County in which abortion performed
3. Age of mother
4. Marital status of mother
(married, divorced, separated, widowed, or never married)
5. Race of mother
6. Years of education of mother
(specify highest year completed)
7. State or foreign country of residence of mother
8. Total number of previous pregnancies of the mother
That’s a whole lotta information about the mother, that, while it doesn’t identify her by name, certainly narrows her identity down, especially in the small towns that dot the Oklahoma landscape.
And another thing: Notice anything missing? Go ahead, re-read the list — I’ll wait.
[whistles, files nails, looks up]
Figure it out yet? Bingo! The father, whom we assume had something to do with the pregnancy in the first place, doesn’t have to account for his actions at all. Way to put women in their place, Oklahoma!
I think H.B. 1595 is fairly solid evidence against letting states opt out of any public plan that Congress may eventually include in the health care reform bill. Given the current condition of the country’s economy and employment rate death spiral, it simply is impossible for a vast majority of uninsured people living in those Republican states that don’t think their residents deserve the right to decent health care (or ANY health care, as the case may be in Oklahoma), to move to a state that does.
Yes, down the road, the afflicted citizenry might find the will to vote out these "states’ rights" asshats who pass legislation intended to deny medical care to distinct classes of people, but that doesn’t help those who are living without insurance today. This country can no longer afford to wait to get a real public option passed for ALL the people, not just those who are fortunate enough to live in liberal enclaves.
Shame on you, Oklahoma.




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Unfortunately, the powers that be in Oklahoma seem to be immune to shame.
By the by, what does the mother’s race have to do with anything? Trying to target people of color, are we, now?
In Oklahoma all pregnancies outside the sacred covenant of marriage only occur through spontaneous generation. Obviously no doG fearing upright Xtian man would have anything to with such dastardly acts.
oklahoma — not ok
Trying to target people of color, are we, now?
Do remember that this is the only state in the union where Obama failed to win a single county.
This is more Big Expensive Government from the Party of Big Brother tell me will the supposed Fathers name be revealed too?
As if having Tom Coburn and James Inhofe as Senators wasn’t reason enough to beat feet out of that crazy-hole…
well, those people rarely know who the father is.
/Senator Coburn
Behold the land of Inhofe and Coburn.
If anyone wondered how that pair ever got elected to the US Senate, this new OK law ought to make it clear how well they fit in with their state.
mighty fine writing kitty
Good thing we have you as a counterexample; this business leaves me with an urge to say some very broad-brush things about Oklahomans as a species.
maybe the OU football team needs a new mascot. It could be a bat – which defecates like mad, while wearing a straight-jacket.
Keeping government off my body! /Bachmann
As I did over twenty years ago, which is actually before the lunatics took over the asylum. Never a progressive paradise, it was not always this batshit crazy and regressive. There were always loons and talibangelicals in Oklahoma politics, but once upon a time there were also reasonably sane folks (even a few moderately progressive ones like Carl Albert) to keep them in check.
Went for McCain by over 30 points.
thanks, Suz. My head’s a bit fuzzy these days trying to make sense of it all.
Yeah and how are they going to know if the Mom is telling the truth without more expensive tests?
After all Men especially men going into politics will sue if their names are revealed as the Fathers of kids who were aborted.
Guys like Newt, Senators Vitter, Ensign and Sanford its hard to believe that none of them hasn’t paid for an abortion or two somewhere down the line.
“Crossing the line” takes on new meaning.
Asexual reproduction?
I’m sorry, but you are *way* too rational to be considered as representative of OK (even in the past tense), methinks.
Parthenogenesis.
Oklahoma has produced a number of decent folks like Will Rogers, Carl Albert, Woody Guthrie, Maria Tallchief, and others. I really do not understand what has happened there over the past 25 years. Probably because I have been gone for almost all of that. Things really started going down the sewer when they started electing Republicans to high office (right before I left in the late 80s). Before that the state was solidly Democratic, except in a few isolated spots. In southeast Oklahoma, where Coburn is from, Republicans did not even field candidates for most offices.
Glad you clarified the state … thought it might be mine. We have two Senators just as bad Richard and Kay
There are rational people currently residing in all the red states. Must be terrible for them.
I miss OklahomaKiddo and Lahoma.
Asexual reproduction?
nah – that’d take genuine ingenuity, imagination, and, *gasp* science. My money is on whatever is next on the incredibly-boring-sex ladder.
Yay parthenogenesis. Tell men to squash it. :-)
Odd that OK is also the site of one of the worst acts of domestic terrorism.
Or maybe not.
Actually I am fairly representative of a certain segment of the population there, at least when I was there and I suspect still. I just really do not know what has happened down there. Just glad I am gone.
There are rational people currently residing in all the red states. Must be terrible for them
gee, how would I know? I mean – I live in Indiana, which, come to think of it, is the Mississippi of the Midwest.
never mind.
which is why shrugging one’s shoulders and saying, “so move to a blue state!” is an adolescent response, at best.
Oddly enough, in the early 20th century Oklahoma actually elected more socialists to public office than in state in the history of the US. Woody Guthrie was not a fluke. Those days, however, were long gone by the time I came along.
Which state are you fortunate enough to live in? Georgia?
Good point.
Fuck.
Anything to make their two australopithecine Senators
proudecstaticready for the Governors race, where they both can do much less harm to the nation.I hope both of these two assholes have mothers, sisters, wives, daughters, and nieces.
Of course, now I’ll be humming Shriekback’s “Nemesis” the rest of the night…
Might be time to dust off that A Vagina is Not A Clown Car poster, watertiger.
Just the federal building that suited McVeigh’s nefarious purpose, could have been almost anywhere. My niece and her husband live in Norman and were at the OKC airport with my sister when it happened. Some distance away and they could still feel the blast. Conservative or liberal, we were all Oklahomans that day.
TCU,
I think you’ve hit on a great idea.
The only thing the Evil Government knows for sure (without some dang bureacrat doin’ some serious research)
are numbers 1, 2, maybe 7.
Somebody should run ads encouraging women to lie like hell about the rest.
They should all be white, 50, widowed, PhD’s who have never been preggers before.
Mess with the gubmints heads.
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
love ya, NJ!
NC
Well, like all generalizations there are of course, exceptions.
Generally speaking, that is.
My apologies if that sounded flip. What I meant was McVeigh knowingly blew up not just a building but alot of people who were much more likely to be conservative than liberal in their thinking given where he chose to act.
Looks like one of my family reunions.
Love you back, tigre
Dude!
Compared to guys like McVeigh your typical Republican is progressive.
Regrets. But you at least have hope in the near term. OK, dunno.
Sigh – Dr. Dick, you’re so right-what happened in the last 25 years? They started electing Republicans. I think the conservatives I knew in OK in the mid-80’s would now pass for Blue Dog Dems, or possibly further left than that.
I blame Reagan, and the 2nd amendment folks who ginned up the militias, and the media that just thought the militia were colorful, good copy…and, oh, well. The usual suspects of the last 25 years.
But – a point even Watertiger and all the very bright Late Nighters seem to have missed:
All these rules refer to information about “the mother.”
By definition, unless the poor woman seeking abortion gives up under this onslaught, she will not be a mother.
When did we stop seeing pregnant women as “mothers-to-be,” and transformed them into already being “mothers?”
If I have a spontaneous abortion, otherwise known as miscarriage, at 5 months, never giving birth, am I a mother anyway?
Since I don’t have any classes tomorrow, I think I will go listen to some live, local, and organic music. This guy, solo & acoustic. Take care all.
I’m sure all the men in OK are good friends of Rev Dobson sooooo it must be the water…go figure
I like it:)
when the anti-choice people started referring to fetuses as “unborn babies”.
The Bible Belt does appear to reduce oxygen to the brain. Perhaps they should try wearing suspenders.
ah yes, the ray-gun years…
Don’t they also apply that designation to zygotes?
Now we’re living in the pray-gun era.
I got nothin, but rage, WT.
And the thanks to you for bringin this up.
As long as we are ALL under the threat and assault of corporate feudalist 2Percenters, we’re all fucked.
Men, women, children, alike.
We’re fucked.
when the anti-choice people started referring to fetuses as “unborn babies”.
Does viability have anything to do with a determination that teh stoopid has set in?
and to the glimmers in the daddy’s eye, as well.
Sounds good, enjoy!
how long before the supreme court smacks this down?
it cannot be constitutional. HIPPA alone would seem to disallow this.
and, of course the father is not named or identified.
that would be like fair or something.
and oklahoma would not want to be seen as fair.
women get pregnant all by themselves in oklahoma, which is good, because at least they are not having sex or something else unsavory.
Yep. and we need to push back against this “mother” meme, too.
OTOH, given this is the way this stupidity is written, it seems to me anybody who actually has an abortion, instead of being discouraged, has a perfect argument against answering a single damn question oon the form. “Doesn’t apply to me!”
http://carnalnation.com/
This is the most likely reason for this legislation.
Back when I was just a Hershey Bar in my daddy’s back pocket. h/t to Laurie Anderson
Maybe we should just refer to the stupids as mature fetuses.
It’s the meth, low life whites, and the xtians.
James McMurtry nails it all in Choctaw Bingo, the musical.
They made the meth cuz the shine don’t sell.
and to the glimmers in the daddy’s eye, as well.
you really think that there are a whole lot of glimmering eyes out there?
poor fuckers.
Uh-oh – linky not working.
HA!!!
Oklahoma certainly doesn’t have the monopoly on Teh Stupid.
Good point, I do too.
What HAPPENED?
When personal descriptors were stripped out of medical records, what was left was age, race, and sex. But even here race was increasingly considered irrelevant. So that left just age and sex. In this case, sex is a given. So the only legitimate descriptor is age. Any other information should remain confidential. I think what Oklahoma is doing is a violation of HIPAA.
This always drives these abortion whatjobs nuts.
Scenario:
In Vitro clinic is on fire…. There is a living breathing child sitting in one room, there are 3,000 fertilized eggs sitting in another room. Which do you save?
Do they really think those 3,000 are already children? Why woudn’t they save 3,000 and let the one die?
It isn’t clear to me, is a pro or con?
http://carnalnation.com/conten…..ues-voters
Try this one…not good at this.
Louie Louie, oh no,
Me gotta go
Ai yi yi yi, I said
Louie Louie, oh baby
Me gotta go.
HA! I just love that his name is, in essence, onomatopoeic.
I”ve never heard a full accounting of why he chose to do it.
Anyone know?
DID he do it? Was he set up?
Meth HAD to be involved . . . how fucked up can you get without drugs to believe shit enuff to kill innocents?
More to the point, this is the state that sent Tom Coburn and Jim Inhofe to the United States Senate.
…human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together…mass hysteria!
Thanks for the lol. Needed. I can’t believe I didn’t foresee still having this level of rage so far into a democrat’s term as pres.
And, for all my disappointment on the big issues (with Obama), things like this: are what I was really hoping for. If there weren’t so much crazy going on (or if Bush hadn’t left so many messes to be cleaned up), this sort of thing might get more coverage.
Great article. I saw this earlier on thinkprogress but, I’ve figured out the father’s names…Dick Nocondoms! Somebody call Senator Coburn and tell him. Also, tell him to tell his 77% of Oklahoma highschool students that GEORGE WASHINGTON WAS THE FIRST PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES! They couldn’t name him but, that’s not a reflection on him and the ignorant, infbreds in his state. It’s not his fault?
O.T.
Go to Huffington Post to vote for Jane as the Ultimate Game Changer
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..lide_image
Sorry, my kin is from Terra Haute, I was born in NY, my younger bro in Saigon.
We did home leave from SE Asia there a few times when I was young. 50’s.
Over the decades, I saw NO reason to go back.
Here’s another reason.
Indiana Wants Me Back. Not.
I only wish that were true. Just look back over McVeigh’s life, and it’s not that hard to see how he got there.
he *did* say that some of those might sound like fun, “to some people”.
P.S. Could that moron have a more appropriate last name?
OK Rethugs want to control the women of the state. Can the OK teabaggers explain how they want less government except to control women?
American as apple pie.
Just ask Derbyshire.
I liked this from the Jane entry.
“Current Status: Take-no-prisoners blogger”
He got smart-mouthed with Jane one too many times. She had to cut him off.
But I really do miss them.
tejanarusa , did that work?
http://carnalnation.com/conten…..ues-voters
Be nice if he married somebody named “Pyle” and hyphenated his name.
Heading out, splendid evening to all.
Where is the outrage form DC????
Somehow this all reminds me of A Boy and his Dog…did Obama win OK or is this the new American wasteland? Who is underground? You? We?
A cautious young fellow named Rahm
Had seatbelts installed in his Bomb.
When the kids were strapped in prison
He committed a democratic sin
Without even leaving the white house garage. That’s clever, isn’t it?
As American as apple pie indeed. Don’t mind what Arne is doing to your kids. Or your leaders to your rights.
I gotta go back to the basic premise of this post.
WTF is Lesbian Bathroom Attacks?
Oh. Really? That’s it?
night, rf
She is such an inspiration.
Yes. Now I’ll look at it…
Seems that ‘mother’ term of art would render the law unconstitutional, even for a first-term law student to argue. Damn, I wish I could teach at Pepperdine!
Far as I know. OKK was mixing a lot of margaritas in those days.
Larue, here. Tom Coburn is insane.
To WT: Didn’t Bachmann have a problem with women voting too?
Hey! Since I’ve had too much champagne, I’m gong to log out now but, not before I insult evey wingnut, cousin lovin, douchebage, who’s parents were clearly brother and sister. That’s you Cleetis, Cleofis, Digger, and Nub….Brush your tooths!
She was definitely saying we should go back to the original founders intent of the constitution. iirc, women didn’t have the right to vote let alone hold public office. So she would have to go home and STFU.
Okay, dammit! Who let the cat out of the bag about our gay agenda?
My agenda isn’t just gay…it’s downright jolly!
Hmmm . . . ok.
Hey, an arguement, with anyone, with or without maggies, is an arguement.
Guess that shit happens, and that’s that.
A blog can accept it, or not, and it’s blog owners choice.
I DO miss him and her . . . though.
Shame to lose them over an arguement.
Difference of opinion, however shrill or misbegotten, should be embraced in a blog, IMHO.
I guess, if I owned the place, I’d be a bit pissed off after a time.
I’m not all that tolerable, myself, about shit. *G*
Thanks for the info, had forgotten the past. It’s best left there, ’spose . . .
I’m waiting to find out how many women are harassed after this takes effect, or threatened with bodily harm, or file for restraining orders.
So she would have to go home and STFU.
*re-thinking Derbyshire’s position….*
Hey, is anyone else using the Sidekick LX?
Thanks WT, crikers, he’s as nuckin phutz as the rest of them in biblical land.
Bless their lil hearts, each and all (before they all implode, that is).
Geebus. Phuckin geebuz. Sigh. *shakeshead(
Yeah, Jane gave him more than enough chances to cool down, and he challenged her every step. Too bad, cuz it was nice to have the OK lowdown.
Nope I didn’t forget and this is just the place I want to see if the Opt in/out of the Public Option works and see what those nutcases do.
If they have a mass revolt, that’s a good thing and the people there would learn a valuable lesson in paying attention to who they elect to public office.
Where’s the House member from that suggested dropping don’t ask don’t tell was akin to allowing Bestiality in the streets of America?
What rocks do they find these people under?
Oh, I remember that now. Only one girl at a time could go to the girls room at school….
And let’s not forget, Coburn is the guy who counseled and mediated for Sen. Ensign and his gf and his gf’s hubby and how much to pay them;
He’s the person who swore he would never, ever, reveal what he advised because it was under the seal of the confessional, or something;
until he revealed it a couple of days ago…
Yup. Insane. And to think I thought Don Nickels was far-right….He looks positively statesmanlike in comparison.
Out of curiosity, have there been groups filing lawsuits to stop this new law?
Thanks Loo Hoo for the breakdwon . . .
Apparenlty it hasn’t taken effect yet…I would expect litigation.
ph34r teh v4g
These people honestly believe that when there is an abortion- there is a murder. Given that mindset- their behavior is predictable.
They don’t, by the way, get this opinion from the Bible- which has nothing at all to say on the subject- but it is a burning sore for many.
Um, is your Peanut or kittycat typing for you? Or am I not privy to the code???
“K?”
it open source!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leet
:)
More like stupid people in general shouldn’t be allowed to vote. (him included) It’s absurd that people actually hold the belief that other people with a different political leaning should be stripped of their rights as americans simply because everyone does not hold the same belief.
These people disregard the murders of many others, at home and abroad, they are responsible for.
These people, are 23% of our nation, and should be relagated to their status as such.
How can we get this done?
Aside of rounding them up and sending them to Alabama, Louisiana, And The Georgian Swamps, to live with the snakes and gators?
…rounding them up and sending them to Alabama, Louisiana, And The Georgian Swamps, to live with the snakes and gators?
aww – that’s not fair.
snakes and gators have the inherent intellectual advantage….
Okay, then why not Alaska. Perhaps they could work on that bridge to no where….
Electing more Dems like Alan Grayson would help. Unfortunately there are too few like him.
et doesn’t deserve that
Um, errrgh, I’m familiar with some of that (pwned, n00b, etc.), but I can’t quite read your post… Help? Plz?
Reptilian superiority! Seems likely.
lol, i get a db error for what i was going to reply with ;)
Murder of who at home and abroad?
Abortion is murder. There is no question about it but those of us who oppose it must continue to discuss the issue in the hopes of reducing abortions without messing with the laws.
Interestingly enough, it appears that public attitudes are slowly moving in the “pro life” direction.Younger people are not more pro choice than their parents- unlike the attitudes of the young on other social issues. I’m not sure why- but it’s interesting.
Heh, good point. And No Offense to the GOOD people of them states.
I’d hate to displace THEM, if they are happy where they are.
It’s tough, this makin things better, ain’t it . . . ;-)
None of them have faced being pregnant yet. They know all about birth control now so the problems mostly aren’t there.
He’s sure coming out like a prog. Alas, I think others have, in a valid manner, questioned his past history, voting and belief wise. One to be watched, and praise for now. But Watched.
Hey, ET has to eat, too. Also. Fresh meat, ya know, winky, winky.
Howdy!! *G*
Aloha Ya’ll from Gemini Observatory…! Ground zero for the moon shot in 7 hrs…! ;-)
Laru and Loo Hoo — I’ve wondered about OKKiddo and Lahoma a lot recently. Many a time I wished OKK could stop shouting at us, but then realized he’d have to change to okk, and that wouldn’t have been nearly as much fun and/or educational. I wish they’d stop by some time and let us know how they are.
If ya have to ask, you aint one of us.
There’s a bridge lookin for yas.
You mistook me for a tepid and limp prog.
Fail.
Aloha CT!!
Taking any Pictures from atop your mountain?
how cool ct – you gonna be singing bomb bomb bomb da moon?
There’s no question it is NOT murder. Anyone who disagrees should definitely not have an abortion.
Simple.
http://www.brandone97.com/leet/converter/
Gotta be kiddin.
Pro choice is not gaining?
Who did the polls?
Women’s rights are falling to the waysid?
Yer killin me.
Got poll? Got science? Srsly, I’m not believin ya . . .
Show me. Or at least TELL me why you thing that?
Cuz I don’t see any of that, except from righty loony rhetoric, and YOU are not one I’d ever suscribe to that POV.
Ironically they’re planning to kick us mere peon spotters off the summit 2 1/2 hours prior to the 7:31 (ET, 1:30 HST) which means I’m only looking at half a night’s pay… The irony is that it’s like pea soup up here and they can’t even open the dome…! Bwhahaha…! ;-)
Penalty shot … Dan Heatley also got a hat trick on that shot!! Sharks ahead 6-3!! 14:00 left!!
Ewe still here?
What if, what if, like in the sci fi movie, this bomb hits the moon, and breaks it up?
Even a TAD!
What are the impacts upon earth, tides, and our revolution and magnetic core, and atmosphere?
What? If? *G*
Dood, good to see yas! Send pics!!!!
GOT HAUS?!?!?!?!
*G*
Well! That sucks. But I did love Rachel Maddow’s middle school intern who is watching the stars with her Dad.
?
Show me the legal definition that abortion, in any trimester, IS murder?
Chris, good to see you!
It’s not murder, is what I was trying to say.
Hey Margot,
I finally got back to you on FB.
http://people-press.org/commentary/?analysisid=88
Is there a “leet to normal” converter? can’t find one…
Ah well, falling..asleep…off to bed. nite, all!
w1n?
http://ermarian.net/services/converters/leet
wordpress strips out some stuff tho
Oh, missed that. My bad, thanks for the clary . . . SO sorry for the misunderstanding.
Got apartment and a partial pad…! That count…? ;-)
Long time no see…
I can’t do that, however, Scott Peterson from California was convicted and sentenced to death for double homicide. He killed his 7 month pregnant wife.
What am I missing, I see PRO CHOICE numbers, steady all along.
Women favor choice for abortion.
What am I missing? Or, did I miss YOUR posit, which I thought was that women are AGAINST choice?
Thought that’s what you were saying the poll showed?
Always thought you were pro choice, too . . . I’m missin sumptin, it appears . . .
Thanks for spellin it out for me . .
I don’t think that’s Margot’s opinion.
Dude, family, housing, shelter, food all counts!! *G*
Good on ya, hoss.
Hope yer next leap up is to learn to play a dobro and sang!!!! *G*
*waves*
Paint your wag on, OK!?
Suz is upstairs…
What I said was that unlike attitudes on other social issues- attitudes on abortion are not moving- the young are no more pro choice than their parents. I think the research backs that up. This is altogether different than attitudes towards gay marriage, for instance. In that case the young have much more liberal attitudes than their parents.
I find that interesting.
I live in CA, was here when all that went down.
I don’t see it as an abortion issue.
I don’t see it as a pro women’s rights issue, other than he killed her and the baby.
That’s murder, but it’s NOT an abortion issue.
You gotta do better than that.
Yer killin me. And yer rationale.
Thanks, I got clarification on that, I mis understood the original posit as posted . . .
I am NOT, will NEVER be against abortion. They convicted him of killing an unborn that was the point.
So, polling shows that women are, and the general populace is, IN FAVOR of pro choice matters?
That’s MY understanding. Is that yours?
Despite that they might have not moved, in respect to gay issues?
And again, I’d like to know the polling house that DID that polling.
We all know that pollsters are hired by a side, and produce the results they are PAID to find.
Ya know? *G*
If we could just concentrate all the loons in one or two states, maybe they could leave the rest of the country alone. I’m sure they’d still be worried about “their” country, but at least their votes would be concentrated along with their insanity so the rest of the country might be able to get some things done. We might have to set up an Act Blue account to help refugees relocate out of crazy land, though. Can’t be against the death penalty but still sentence people to living like if haven’t been drinking the koolaid enough to be numb to it.
iirc, the law specifically applies to the killing of an unborn viable child…. 7mo would be considered a child that could live outside the womb (the traditional definition of viable)
SO? That’s not related to anything I said, or contested with others.
I’m talking abortion, and women’s rights to choose for themselves.
Where the phook does Petersen’s issue come into this issue?
Sorry, I think you walked into something, injected something, and I found it to be not relevant.
Or, I’m wrong about something, you’ve not ’splained, yet.
Pew, but there are similar results from other polls.
The public remains slightly pro choice- but unlike attitudes on gay marriage, the attitudes on abortion are relatively stagnant- and the young are no more liberal than their parents (he repeats for the third time).
That’s good code, for prosecution issues regarding homicide.
Thanks, Suz, for the detials.
MY point is what’s that point of law got to do with abortion issues, which is the topic I was responding to.
Somehow, MY point, and the abortion point, got changed to go to a point of law regarding Peterson.
And THAT ain’t no part of nuttin, as The Father Of Bluegrass, Mr. MUNRoe once posited. *G*
Pump the brakes…. it’s not worth all that. Appears I misunderstood. I didn’t inject myself I made a comment which you are fucking free to ignore.
rw i see what you are saying. polling showed youth became more socially liberal with issues such as gay rights but the basic numbers did not show such a similar gain on the subject of abortion.
Yes- thank you. I thought the point was relatively clear- but perhaps I mistated it.
Yeah, but yer ignoring the accounts of the MSM for one thing, who drives issues and opinions.
And, yer ignoring that there are OTHER huge issues out there, that are polling MORE important right now, than abortion or women’s rights issues.
So PEW could EASILY be biased, and if not, and it’s clean research, it’s perhaps not relevant in priority amongst those polled.
Thanks for the info, but if you polled women and girls ages 14-80, on how THEY feel about abortion issues, across the USA, with good sampling and good sampling pool methodology, I’d bet you’d see different numbers, by large.
Women, support, women’s choice with respect to reproductive rights.
Aside from the 23% Xtian, Fundi based whackaloons, that is.
*G*
Nice chattin with ya.
We disagree about something, and I’m not convinced yer right about it.
*G*
Well, thanks for the clarity! Pumpin the brakes as I type! *G*
No, you made it clear, I just question it, the methodology, and the source!
I think I’m free to do that in here . . *G*
I don’t yet see anything that we disagree about- I said that there was no movement on the issue across generations- and you asked for polling data which I provided.
I have no opinion on the methodology- I haven’t read it. Have you?
Yes, yes you did.
And thanks for all that.
You win.
Enjoy!
*G*
(see #185)
*G*
What methodology?
*G*
And you have an opinion as to it’s inferential conclusions, which you have posited.
Can we just end this?
we could group hug or just move upstairs to my video (laughing)
Yeah, I’m with you.
Sorry Rwcole and Pups, if I went too far . . .
I’m just stubborn that way, ya know . . . ;-)
Viable for a day or so, anyway.
28-29 week preemies require beaucoup life support and have a fairly sucky prognosis even with said beaucoup life support.
Hey, this is the asshat state that gave us both Tom Coburn and James Inhoff. Methinks that too many Oklahomans have spent a few too many generations in the shallow end of the gene pool. This just screams out as something that will be smacked down in federal court. I guess that they thought actually branding these harlots with a scarlet letter “A” on their foreheads was a bit too much to ask for.
The new slogan on Oklahoma’s license plates: “Where Ignorance Is Bliss”
We need to remember when discussing Tom Coburn that he is who John McCain listens to about medical, ethical, and scientific issues. No, really.
Got your nails filed to rake?
It’s studies like this that might, I said might, spike some of the wing nut myths. When it turns out that it’s not the middle school tramp, an illegal on her fourth pregnancy, then we will know that it’s the College sophmore, or whatever.
30 years ago femanists started talking about their own abortions. They were not whom we had been told to expect.
Tom Coburn is the adulterous Senator Ensign’s blackmail go-between, right.
How’s that, Oklahoma Xtianists?
Oklahoma isn’t just shaming women who have abortions — it’s painting a target on their back.
Enough information that Operation Rescue — or one of their crazier, more dangerous imitators — will have enough information to solve the puzzle and then stalk, threaten, or hey with any luck, maim or murder one or more of these women.
That’s the point, ladies and gentlemen — killing the abortion doctors is no longer enough for wingnuts.
A similar program in another red state, where the data collected was supposed to remain private, somehow got “leaked” to Bill O’Reilly.
Oklahoma will be publicly posting the patients’ data on the internet, open to any gun nut with messianic tendencies.
But he or she will then be labeled a lone nut, and hands will be wrung — oh who could have predicted?
Anyone with a conscience.
Are you kidding? I have to give racial data to my CREDIT CARD COMPANY! Why are you so exercised about scientific data collection? The author made the only point that makes sense: where is the data about the father? This information is actually probably more important than that of the mother, and such biased information should not be allowed. Add a section on who the father is and ask about how many other pregnacies he has caused. Then we will be getting meaningful scientific data. But not until.