Honestly, I didn’t expect the conservative freefall to happen virtually overnight, but the movement really has come apart at the seams. The "Big Tent" party, the Party of "personal responsibility", has devolved into a giant sandbox filled with bed-wetting, Nazi-fretting, hissy-fitting, pants-shitting, name-calling, bill-stalling, spiteful schoolchildren.
The One Who is Shrill put it thusly:
“Cheers erupted” at the headquarters of the conservative Weekly Standard, according to a blog post by a member of the magazine’s staff, with the headline “Obama loses! Obama loses!” Rush Limbaugh declared himself “gleeful.” “World Rejects Obama,” gloated the Drudge Report. And so on.
So what did we learn from this moment? For one thing, we learned that the modern conservative movement, which dominates the modern Republican Party, has the emotional maturity of a bratty 13-year-old.
I would have said that the Republicans were behaving more like bratty 8 year-olds, but I’ll work with Mr. Krugman here. Like obnoxious, sullen, pimply-faced adolescents, the conservatives are going to spend the next four years locked in their collective bedroom with the "ADULTS STAY OUT!" sign on the door, running up the phone bills while they bitch and moan to their friends about how unfair and how stupid, ugly, and authoritarian their parents are.
The Virginia gubernatorial race took an ugly turn this past weekend when a prominent endorser for Republican Bob McDonnell mocked the slight stutter of Democrat candidate Creigh Deeds.
At a rally for McDonnell’s campaign, Sheila Johnson was taped discussing the importance of communication skills in the state’s next governor.
"We need someone who can really communicate," she said. "And Bob McDonnell can communicate. The other people that I talk to, especially his o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-opponent… could not articulate what needed to be done."
How seemly. How mature. How gracious. I think someone needs to be grounded for at least a month.
Also like typical, narcissistic, melodramatic tweens, the conservatives have a bizarre, hyper-aggrandized image of themselves:
I’m interrupting my career. It’s not like I want my new career in politics. But I’m willing to interrupt it the same way that somebody interrupted their career and joined World War II and went off to fight the Nazis.
And yes, there’s always that one kid whom the rest of the pack assiduously avoids, the one who always seems to be sporting a case of ringworm, and who prefers to socialize with the voices in her head:
In a 24-page filing littered with all-caps, bold, and underlined text, Birther attorney Orly Taitz is demanding that a federal judge recuse himself in a case that has morphed from a soldier’s attempt to resist Barack Obama’s orders to what Taitz sees as a prosecution of herself.
All this would be terribly amusing, but for one small matter: each time the conservatives who control the Republican Party act like Veruca Salt on steroids, the Democrats, despite their solid majorities in both Houses, respond each time like permissive parents who try to mollify tantrum-throwing tweens by acceding to their every demand. Let the Republican Party continue its lightning descent into puerility and irrelevance. Consider it tough love. . . or tough shit.
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Meow!
Actually a huge roaring Growl to you WT!!
If I don’t watch it on television, will it really happen?
Frankly, it doesn’t matter to me. I’m evolving anyway. I’m a bitch.
Ue-Kaca!
Hey I talked him down from his original comparison to adolescents on his blog.
Rawr?
If a wingnut decomposes in the forest and no on is there to smell, is it real?
would the smell be any different from the usual?
oh, dude, that smell LINGERS.
Sheila Johnson is the very rich ex-wife of BET billionaire Robert Johnson who was so helpful to Hillary Clinton last year discussing Barack Obama’s drug habit. She wrote a lovely WaPo Op-Ed describing why she, a Democrat, would support McDonnell for Governor this time.
I think it’s a class thing for her. She lives in Middleburg among the horsey set now, and probably thinks Deeds is common people. Talks funny, too. Also.
Good evening WT.
Bratty to be sure.
Only blood hounds can tell the difference.
Also from Krugman’s column. Nothing we didn’t know but nice to read it expressed so succinctly in a mainstream publication.
Ooh ooh, that smell, can’t ya smell that smell?
How went the weddin’, demi?
Oh now, honey, you aren’t a bitch. You are just spunky as hell.
Cannot be said too often or too loudly.
Do faeces stink?
Have you ever considered writing a gossip column?
No answered required, of course. ‘Cause I know. Sometimes.
If Orly Taitz is Veruca Salt on steroids, then I hereby demote the Anchor Babe to OompaLoompa on toast.
Bitch? I myself am a hussy and proud of it.
…who, at a fundamental level, do not accept anyone else’s right to govern.
elections are for little people.
I would SOOOO subscribe to Teddy’s paper.
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That explains a whole lot.
High praise indeed, Mary ! *g*
Watertiger !
Ain’t nothin’ wrong with gettin’ in touch with your inner bitch. It can be downright empowering. I know that’s what happened when I got in touch with my feminine side (she’s a real bitch!).
LOL!
Comes with the reek of death and moral decay.
Ratfood! Ain’t shared a thread with you in 4 EVAH! Good to see you.
My inner bitch scares the crap out of me. that is a good thing.
Put fuckin’ Wankette out of business!
Like Krugman a lot but I think this has been going on in the Repug party since Nixon.
Not to put too fine a point on it, since this post’s accompanying graphic is not intended as a realistic representation of human evolution (in reverse) but hasn’t it been concluded that while Neanderthal man and Homo Sapiens share common ancestors, Neanderthal was an offshoot that became extinct and was not an ancestor of modern humans?
BCT !
I’m not just a bitch, I’m sometimes incompetent. Here’s the FB link to the photo:
http://www.facebook.com/home.p…..=547874536
Not sure what to do with that.
Just saw your 34… nevermind.
Sweetie, that’s a link to a file on your Hard Drive.Never mind !Has its roots in the Goldwater campaign, gained traction with Nixon, but really only took off with Reagan, to be perfected by Toad Gingrich.
Pretty close to my thoughts on the matter.
On a completely different topic, my daughter-in-law is taking a Statistics course from University of Phoenix (U of Phonies?? has most of the same letters). She asked me for some assistance today, and I am appalled at what they’re teaching. It’s a mid-to-late 70s course, complete with unstable algorithms and an unwarranted emphasis on computations. Understanding of what’s actually happening is de-emphasized. It’s appalling that people are paying big bux for this sort of shoddy class.
Instant classic title and photo!
Note supposedly Liberal writer Sam Stein at supposedly Liberal HuffPo using “Democrat candidate.” Nice to do Lush Limpbaugh’s dirty work for him. Not even William F. Buckley would agree to use the “Democrat Party” insult.
http://www.newyorker.com/archi….._hertzberg
Since they know if they just keep repeating over and over, and that they will almost never be called on it, they’ll continue until it become accepted vernacular, as is happening now. Call them out. Always.
Hi hi hi, Kelly. Fine here. Is it snowing in Denver yet?
Petro! How are you this evening?
Betcha that’s not the first time you’ve said that ! *g*
Alas, I don’t have a facebook account (’cause I’m a no account) so it won’t let me see the purty pitchers.
I know. Now. And, I’m still techno impaired. I just tryed to send it via fb, but that doesn’t seem to work either.
Askling for the Mr. Techno to help. Give me a moment.
(it was fab)
That is still open to debate. Few paleoanthropologists believe that they or the other archaic Homo sapiens outside of Africa had a major contribution to modern humans (who arose in East Africa about 200,000 years ago), but I think a plurality think there was at least a little bit of interbreeding between moderns and archaics after the African diaspora at 50-60,000 years ago.
I usually manage to find the right button… eventually. How’re you, Petro?
or for that matter live and breathe
at least she didn’t tweet her personal email addy…
Askling?
I went to Askling, Colorado to ski.
doesn’t it start snowing in Denver on Labor Day?
I didn’t realize the African diaspora was that recent but then, I was just a tyke at the time…
The bride is lovely, but who is the young woman in the middle?
*Smacks Forehead* … d’you mean to say that U of Phoenix Law Degree ain’t worth Bupkiss ?
Shoot, I was planning on partnering with bmaz down in the Land of Warner …
Great buddy, how’s things with you ?
I watching Favray put on a clinic for Aaron Rodgers …
Nice, I really enjoyed the one about “arse, poo and widdle.” “g”
Agreed. Didn’t KarlRove cut his teeth on Nixon campaigns? Seeme to me like that’s the period that the Sorting Hat was first used and it has been playing itself out ever since.
That is the bride’s older sister.
It was very close after Labor Day – 2 weeks ago today it was rain/snow mix.
I don’t know about a U Phoenix law degree, but I’m going to contact our Registrar about accepting that POS course as equivalent to what I teach. Because it’s not.
So I’ve heard. Wouldn’t be surprised if we have an early snow in Illinois this year.
Sadlyyes !
Excellent !!!
Going on FB to see the pics now …
What one generally fears from such outfits. One of my Ph.D. students applied for a job with them and was actually relieved to be turned down. I know that stats was the first time math made sense to me (blame New Math in the 7th grade), because the whole focus of the course is what are you measuring, how are you doing it, and why. Prof (an archaeologist) always said that you have to know how to do the math, but do not obsess on it because there are dozens of programs that will do that for you (this was in the 70s). I actually like stats.
Knew there was a reason why I don’t do facebook. First it wants to know my bday, and even after I supplied that, it wouldn’t let me on because it claimed my browser wouldn’t allow cookies. I have a vague idea what they are and am almost positive that cookies are allowed as I’ve had no problems on any other site. Wouldn’t know how to check it though. So fork facebook.
Touchdown Green Bay.
Going for two.
Are Favray and Aaron Rodgers contestants on Dancing With The Stars? I caught the bit earlier where Donny Osmond was making out with judge Bruno. A tad disturbing, I’d have thought Bruno had higher standards…
PETROVANOVITSKY!
Why, Thank You!
I guess I’ll have to make a flicker account for the rest of my friends to see how beautiful my daughter is. I’m still kind of cloud 9/weary/fried.
Thanks, Dick. What a nice thing to say.
All I have to do is read a site with cookies on it and I gain weight.
As a Jets fan, all I can say is “Minnesota, he’s all yours.”
/runs out of the room
Sissie!!!! Thank you.
Isn’t it wonderful to have beautiful intelligent daughters? I know, you know.
PS – I’m exhausted.
Nancy on Charlie doing well
You gotta LIE to social media to make it work! Tell FB you are 99 years old.
It sounds like you had a good stats course, particularly good for that era.
Courses like she’s taking obsess over the arithmetic and gloss the important stuff. It was one thing to obsess about arithmetic in an era when there were quite a few people who made careers out of computing that stuff.
No one can make a career out of computing now. I show the kids the math so we can interpret what the arithmetic is telling us.
I haven’t used it either, preferring to revel in my illusion of anonymity.
yup! and Twitter
That is for modern humans. The first African exodus is with Homo erectus at 1.8 million years ago. Moderns (our ancestors) evolved only in Africa. That is fundamentally why we are one of the genetically least variable species on earth and the race concept is total bullshit. There is more genetic variation in Africa than the rest of the world combined (you cannot statistically distinguish Europeans from Chinese from Australian Aborigines).
LOL.
cha cha,me too
Marrin’ off a kid is tiren.
My take on this game is a pox on both houses. Is there a way they can both lose?
I quit watching the NFL when the Rams abandoned Los Angeles. The Dolts leaving Balmer put the thing on thin ice, but the Rams leaving LA did it for me.
What kind of lie do I tell to get rid of the cookie problem?
Tell me your browser, and I’ll tell you your lie….
I thought current theory was that we went through a serious genetic bottleneck when Tuva blew its top 65 MY ago?
No lies. You just have to check the box in your peferences to yes I will fucking take cookies now. What browser are you using?
NAN has a fine plastic sturgeon
I’d also like a pox on the color commentary. Claiming a player is, e.g., “as good a receiver as any in the league” means, in reality-based English, that the player is average.
STFU, you morans!
Chihuahua Cha Cha?
PC, Internet Explorer.
Exactly what my prof did. When I got out, I knew what the statistic was measuring and how, what kind of data were appropriate (a major problem in anthropology, unfortunately), and what it actually meant. The calculations were simply a means to learn that. Framed that way is becomes meaningful and useful.
You got it.
When we watched the OU-Miami game Saturday night, we had to turn the sound off and catch a radio webcast for the play-by-play. Musberger was never much good, but he’s way past it now.
teh cute
If you’ve never heard The Waybacks, go listen to this CD.
Devolver
Sadly, the band is different now, but for 6-8 years, that band was kicking ass in americana.
And I thought, that cd cover shot is right up there with WT’s thread, only, different.
Fuck the fuckin pugs, for the fucks they are.
Harumph.
And dodgier on the cultural side of the house than on the physical side…
One of the things I try to make clear to my grad students (especially!) is that statistics is a way of thinking. It’s a particularly good way of thinking about some problems, and utterly worthless for other problems.
Nan sounding STRONG on the PO
aiiight, peeps. it’s getting close to the witching hour here on the Communist Nazi coast, which means i get to fry up a mess of xian babies to eat for a bedtime snack and retire for the evening.
Yes’m. I got’s to go soak now. Girlfriend is tarred.
But, it was a great amount of fun, amongst all the other stuff, and I’m pleased.
Got the bride’s bouquet hangin’ upside down under the chandlier in my living room. Dryin’ them roses. Memories forever.
It seems that one of the most common human characteristics is an exaggerated sense of self-importance, with obsession over (genetically) inconsequential differences like race being one of the most common manifestations.
she looks 20years younger than her age
What kind of wine do you serve with fried xian babies?
In your browser “Tools” then “internet Options” then “Privacy” tab. Set to medium.
Consider Firefox. Way better security and browsing experience IMO.
Go to your tools in IE, then go to internet options and click on privacy. You will see a bar that should be pushed to the highest point. Or perhaps a box to check depending on the version you have that says accept cookies.
Have a good soak, demi. Glad to hear you had fun.
Bloody Marys are the drink of choice.
Oh, I thought you were talking about me. Kidding.
a full-bodied red with a puckish bouquet.
white, something fruity to cover the bitter taste.
Privacy Tab, you mean like this?
That is seriously pre-human and gets close to the roots of the primate order. The earliest known direct exclusive ancestor of humans (Ardipithecus sp.) dates to about 4.4 million BP. (Has been all over the news lately – in typically distorted form. The genus, there are two species, was discovered 1994 and the current find dates to 1999. It is not nearly as dramatic as the media portray it.) Modern humans go through two serious genetic bottlenecks. One at about 200K BP when the lineage diverges from the archaic lineages and again at about 50-60K BP when moderns move out of Africa. Genetic diversity decreases as you move away from Africa with it lowest levels in the Americas. Result of sequential founders’ effect.
I wish Jon Gruden was on Dancing with the Stars, or journeying to one … his ‘good ole country boy’ act has irked me since Day One.
Maybe that explains the wingnutious irritatus.
Nooooo! Everyone will KNOW your Tab! I’m talking about the secret one we never, erm, talk about.
Used properly, it can reveal significant patterns in your data (but will never explain them). Used improperly it just confuses the shit out of everything.
your ageless darlin
Hmmm, tasty! Nighters.
Finally got to it, with help of KelleyC & marymc (thanks thanks thanks). Wonderful picture & mazeltov to the happy couple.
Vavilov’s Centers of Diversity idea.
Of course, Vavilov had three strikes going against him. (1) He was a botanist. (2) He was a Russian botanist. (3) He was not a neo-Lamarckian Russian botanist.
Afraid I’ve just about worn my secret tab down to a mere nub.
g’nite, wt
We all share 99.8% of our genes. Of that .2% difference, 85% is simply random differences between any two individuals, even within the same population. That, BTW, is why sex exists – to create that kind of genetic diversity to confuse the farking parasites.
Yep.
G’nite WT !
Thirded !
Sounds like a winning lottery ticket!
Petro!
One of the problems people have is imposing their preconceptions on the data. The entire bundle of nonsense over thimerosol in vaccines causing autism was the result of preconceptions imposed on the data.
So Letterman and all the other recently outed fornicators should probably say they did it to benefit the species.
We have to have sex to confuse the health care industry?
Fortunately, keeping it slippery reduces the wear.
Goopers have apparently decided that in this off year they can placate the crazy wing and collect money from them- and then perhaps re-emerge next year as sane people.
Will it work?
Possibly.
Voters aren’t famous for having a long memory.
Dood !
On the downside, after sitting on the goddamned finds for a decade the fuckers release their findings a week after I gave my lecture dealing with Ardipithecus. Now I have to address it, briefly, tomorrow in class.
They’d just designate it a preexisting condition.
Why did they wait? Was it political?
Yeah. Way too fucking much of that. Gots to respect the data and be willing to change your mind. For conservatives, it is easier to change the data.
In the thimerosol investigations my hypothesis is that the whole issue was framed wrong. I know nothing about that particular subject, but I do know a little about scientific method. I suspect the link, if there is one, between innoculations and autism exists in a small percentage of the population. So populationwide studies would not reveal that.
Well, that’s how Canada did it !
Sattler’s law of human interaction: Sex happens.
Desire is a preexisting condition?
Nobody is covered.
Actually I was thinking of rather smaller and less lethal parasites.
Neanderthal was an offshoot that became extinct and was not an ancestor of modern humans?
Evidence from the last 30 years suggests otherwise.
Like Bobby Jindal!
Or happened, for some of us.
Given the state of those skeletons, I’m amazed they could reconstruct them in a lifetime, much less a decade.
Of course, I’ve never been big on jigsaw puzzles.
No. They did a really good, thorough, comprehensive analysis of the remains and their context. That takes time. We now know an awful lot about Ardipithecus and the human lineage that we did not before as a result of their work. The best part is that it confirms much of what we expected to find and thought about the earlier, less complete, Ardipitecus remains and human evolution.
Beg to differ, I don’t consider conservatives modern humans.
Oh you both look beautiful!
Covers just get in the way.
Goopers know well that their “base” is batshit crazy. Even GW Clusterfuck knew it- but echoed the batshit often enough to keep em on board- cause they really don’t have any choice. If they lose their “base”- they can’t win s race for dogcatcher.
Yeah, me, too.
It is what paleoanthropologists are trained in.
my inner bitch bled through to my outer bitch
Wait wait wait! I read that as Shattner’s Law of Stupid Interaction
LOL … did they share the Mac ‘n’ Cheese ?
Speaking as an anthropologist, that is not yet decided. See mine at 45.
That would require that thimerosol act as a promotor or inhibitor of some physiologic (or possibly inducing some gene or another).
While that’s not beyond the realm of possibility, these sorts of population-specific effects generally turn up in identifiable subpopulations. The claims of the anti-thimerosol forces were population-wide in any event, and not borne out by the data.
You’ll love this.
Sherri Shepherd: Evolution Is Not An Absolute
Heading out, splendid evening to all.
What? You mean humans evolved? Where are the intermediaries? Where’s the ape-man?
Do you trace your descent from apes through your mother or father?
/snark.
Adios RF! Glad to have threaded with ya! At least for a wee bit.
G’nite ratfood ! I’m out as well … G’nite all !
That has also been my reading of the data. God, but I wish I knew the cure for scientific illiteracy and the anti-science bias in the American public.
Good night and (after that little tidbit) nasty dreams.
Actually I trace my descent through both (as do all Americans and English), but my son traces his through his mother (he is Cherokee).
Good night, RF, Dr. D.
Eh? I ain’t gone nowhere yet (though it ain’t long). Still some Bushmills left in the glass.
Just my observation that some people are much more susceptible to some stimuli than others. And I think that most studies are designed not to reveal such links, if they exist.
And I’m not sure it’s the thimerosol. Could be the innoculations themselves. Had coffee with a public health doc who worked for NYC under circumstances where I was trying to repair a problem. So I started out by asking about what she did. It was something to do with infant innoculations, so I asked what the current standard was. Think she said something like over 20 required at that time. My son was then about 15, and that was roughly a quadrupling of the innoculations he had as an infant. I was shocked.
Not arguing that innoculations hurt more than they help. The opposite is almost surely the case. Just saying there may be some subpopulations that are hurt, and that the studies are not oriented to discovering that.
Finished my Wild Turkey and cigar.
The evening is winding down.
Better education. Maintaining the sense of curiosity and wonder common to all children.
Unfortunately, we decided that we wanted to opt for a system that made opportunities more nearly equal for women. They abandoned teaching and nursing for all the other opportunities, and we’re paying for it.
I’ve seen the anti-science group grow stronger in the last 20+ years. I hear stuff like this quoted in defense of not learning:
“Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?” Corinthians something.
I want to tell them it’s not either/or, but i figure they wouldn’t listen.
Citizen rwcole:
I remember when I toldja that the fascist party “base” was 17-25% of the voting population and made up a majority of voters in only a few states and only one of those states was outside the Old Confederacy…you of course thought I was batshit crazy and quoted some off the wall numbers from Charley Cook…now the great moderate elected Democratic majority couldn’t get cloture on a bill to make Christmas day a holiday and that 25% representation is gunna do what Gingrich and the Republican Revolutionaries couldn’t do – they’ll shut down the govenment.
They’re just waiting for it to cool a tad.
Easily solved by actually paying the people in those professions what they deserve. We got away with paying subpar wages for generations owing to the pink collar ghetto.
I must jump in here. Ask your doctor if any vaccines you take have Thimerosal. If the answer is yes. tell them GO TO HELL. It is a mercury based poison.
I suggest you do not go to the local drug store for any injections of any kind. The clerks at the check out counter really are not qualified to put anything into your body. Other than the MSG and HFCS and Aspartame, that is in all their food products.
The immune system is much better understood now than it was ten years ago, but it’s still not well-understood. I’ve heard immunologists arguing both sides of the issue.
One thing is certain: innoculation against childhood diseases pays enormous benefits population-wide. If we can identify children at risk of adverse effects, we can work to mitigate those effects or even allow them to rely on herd immunity.
What we can’t do is allow parents to opt out for trivial reasons (my baby might have an adverse reaction is a trivial reason). When we do that, we get epidemic disease. I worked for the Kansas State Health Department in the mid-80s when we had a whooping cough (Diphtheria pertussis) epidemic. It’s been long enough since that I don’t recall if there were any fatalities, but there was a butt-load of hospitalization that resulted. It was ugly, and it was completely preventable, but parents were opting out because little Sally got a sore arm.
Sorry- I don’t remember that conversation. I wouldn’t think that the “base” is that large- the Palin lovin, black hatin, sunday go ta meetin crowd is probably about 25% of the gooper population- but they give a lot of money and provide the leg power to the gooper party.
You can’t make a party out of the richest two percent- cause at the end of the day- you only have two percent- so you have to recruit the “others”.
Nixon cast the dies when he implemented the southern strategy- and they’re stuck with it
The last time I got innoculations, it was after 9/11 and I went to the NYC public health center in Manhattan. Have no idea what was in the vaccines (flu, Hep something, tetanus, pneumonia vaccination), but I felt invulnerable for about a week.
Pay teachers what they’re worth? You’ve got to be kidding me! That’s UnAmerican!
” mocked the slight stutter of Democrat candidate Creigh Deeds.”
Obviously the foaming-at-the-mouth set lacks the benefits of a Classical education. Demosthenes was arguably one of the greatest orators of all time:
“According to Plutarch, he had a weakness in his voice of ‘a perplexed and indistinct utterance and a shortness of breath, which, by breaking and disjointing his sentences much obscured the sense and meaning of what he spoke.’” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demosthenes)
Yep. There may be a case to be made for more finely tuned studies, but clearly there is no significant general danger. The danger to children from not not getting immunizations is far, far greater. this, BTW, is one of the strongest arguments for universal health care. Ever wonder why the US has the highest rates for TB, plague, and a variety of other “rare” diseases in the industrialized world?
Is any work being done on that? If so, I am not aware.
In the rare call-in I have listened to (lefty NYC radio, not wingnuttery), the parents’ stories are heart-wrenching, compounded by the fact that every professional they talk to is telling them they’re head cases.
Norske is about right in his estimation, I do believe, and I professionally follow this shit.
Sadly true.
Guess it depends on how you define “the base”.
If we’re talking Rushites and Fox news believers who buy the whole conservative movement bullshit- I would think it would be less.
Probably down toward the lower end of Norske’s estimate. Bear in mind that the Goopers really have little else left (they are down around 20-30% self-identification).
OK. Bushmill’s is gone and it is time for me to be as well. Take care all.
Right- and the “base” is probably not a majority of the gooper population- but if you assume that they are half of the self identified goopers- that’s still a fairly small percentage of the overall population- maybe 15%.
May be time to buy a good motorcyle and tour the country to meet the “base”
I have lived with them for most of my life. Trust me on this, but you really do not want to meet them (especially in a dark alley). Now I really am off to bed. Young minds and all that.
Night DrDick.
A lot of em are over seventy- which is refreshing.
I’m not aware of anyone working on that, but I’m at a cow college, not a medical school. It will probably grow out of the molecular medicine work when it happens.
My heart goes out to those parents, but there’s simply no way to know why some things happen. I’m not convinced that our great-grandparents would understand us. In the 19th century a certain level of childhood mortality was inevitable. We might profit by understanding that we can’t shelter ourselves from every adversity in the world.
That isn’t to say that we haven’t made some stupid choices in our vaccination programs. Giving up the much safer Salk vaccine in favor of Sabin’s live polio vaccine was a stupid move. Sabin actually advocated the shed viruses from babies as a benefit rather than potentially serious bug. Staying with the very crude pertussis vaccine as long as we did was not a great idea, either.
We could use better public health policy, for sure. But vaccinations are a crucial component of any good public health policy. Good sanitation systems are the other crucial component. Take away vaccines and keeping fecal bacteria out of our food and water, and medicine has done relatively little in population terms over the last 150 years.
And another demographic shift I believe is happening; people like my dad (72 yrs) who THINK they are Eisenhower Republicans, you know moderate socially, fiscally relatively conservative are HORRIFIED at the Becks and Palins of the world and moving to self-identifying as “Independent.”
I told dad the other day “You’re a Blue Dog.” He actually didn’t deny it, and has voted repub forever.
Considering in the SAME CONVERSATION I said to him “And Obama’s a Blue Dog too if you want to get right down to it.”
I voted for a President whose results and commitments I’m disappointed in, as they are not left enough, defend same President to my Republican dad who then agrees that Obama is pretty much an Eisenhower Republican.
It’s a funky world these days. I just live in it.
Good night, Dr. D.
I’ll not be far behind you.
Ike couldn’t decide until the last minute what party to join- and Nixon would be labeled a flaming liberal by today’s conservatives.
We aren’t in Kansas anymore.
No kidding. It’s maddening.
That is incorrect. There is, at least potentially, a way to know. It’s just so much easier to call the parents head cases than to do, you know, actual research.
Just thinking out loud.
Anyone who was 21 and could vote for Ike in 1952 was born no later than 1931. They would be what- 78 today?
There aren’t many of em left.
Agree completely with your public health comments. But there’s another issue wrt public health that I meant to mention. After anthrax attacks, I saw CDC behaving in a way that even I, an interested outsider, thought was completely stupid. Like not quaranteening people & places immediately.
As a result of which I posited another hypothesis. Everyone in public health now is incompetent, as a result of letting vaccines do their thinking for them.
FDR democrats are long gone- the WW2 generation is all but gone- American’s senior citizens are from a different period- cold war veterans.
and DFHs.
I’m sorry, but I disagree.
We understand the world through models. As George Box put it, “In essence, all models are wrong. Some models are useful.” Models necessarily oversimplify some aspects of reality and fail to capture the full detail of reality. Hence, Box’s aphorism.
But what this means is that there will be some phenomena that we less-than-perfectly. And that means that there are some things we cannot explain. It doesn’t mean that someone won’t come up with a model next week that explains it, but truly revolutionary models aren’t terribly common.
I wonder how many of the frightened about health care reform are currently on medicare and worried that if Obama lifts the 14% subsidy to medicare advantage, their current health care plan will fold.
That’s not totally irrational.
Many seniors depend on HMOs that they access through medicare advantage- that allow them to get care with few deductibles and copays for almost nothing- courtesy of the 14% subdsidy- the idea of going to straight medicare with larger deductibles and copays must scare the shit out of em.
Quarantining is of doubtful utility, according to my friends still in the PH racket. We may learn more about the utility of quarantines with this H1N1 mess; we may not, given that the quarantine is voluntary.
To the extent that quarantine worked in the 18th and 19th C, it worked because there were no effective treatments for the diseases. People knew to stay away. However, quarantine is ineffective for vector-borne diseases unless the infected people/animals are isolated from the vector. Quarantine is also not terribly effective for diseases that are transmissible ahead of frank symptoms. Lots of diseases are (flu is one, BTW). Quarantine shortens the infection chain (good) but rarely shortens it to 1. It’s really a disease-by-disease thing, and if the pros say prophylactic Cipro was the way to go, I’ll buy in.
I’d really like for someone to get to the bottom of what happened with the anthrax letters. That entire episode has looked to me like a CF (cluster f***) from the beginning.
My point is more about orientation rather than affiliation.
There are folks over 60 who THINK they are nice Ike republicans. They know the Ike era, and think that’s what they want.
Their vision is becoming shattered. They are now becoming Independents. They are really Blue Dogs.
And that’s what Blue Dogs are; Republicans.
The Toba Caldera (in Sumatra…just next to the same fault line where the earthquake just occurred) about 80-90,000 years ago.
The 65 my date is the Cretaceous-Cenozoic Boundary (that corresponds with the extinction of the dinosaurs).
I don’t disagree- but it’s sometimes helpful to remember just who these people actually are and what their life experience has been…there is, for example, a big difference between those who actually lived through world war 2 and the great depression compared to those who just heard about it.
You could ask your students to watch this
http://dsc.discovery.com/tv/ar…..hecus.html
Or check out the associated videos on the site.
Most of the current senior population is from a unique generation. They were squeezed between the “greatest generation” and the boomers.
One interesting feature of their generation is that they have never had a president of their own, nor have they ever won a war.
McCain was the last hope of the “lost” generation.
Trivia quiz
How long has it been since the USA has actually won a war?
I think someone needs to be grounded for at least a month.
it was fun, fun, fun till Daddy took the T-bills away.
Orly Taitz: Sister Morphed Teen
Grenada?
As for devolution… just wait until Ashley Todd gets her party’s nod to run for Congress in 5 years time
“How seemly. How mature. How gracious. I think someone needs to be grounded for at least a month.”
Perhaps a good spanking would help….? Naa – but spank em anyway.
Thank you for the link.