I wasn’t trying to say that there weren’t people who spoke out and spoke loudly. There were. The problem was that the right very successfully framed the debates so as to marginalize those people who spoke out and spoke loudly. The divide between PATRIOTIC and UNPATRIOTIC reigned, and the majority of people who opposed the invasion and the whole premise that got us into it were easily marginalized as being on the wrong side.

What I wrote @ 35 – it wasn’t until around the end of 2005 or even in 2006 that it was becoming ok to say publicly and almost as a point of fact that the Bush and co probably lied us into an illegal war of choice – was I think what most people who opposed Bush were feeling.

It was best reflected in the fact that no respectable journalist was comfortable enough to say openly that the invasion was misguided or that it was a war of choice – one that would have been better not to have started – until, well, around the end of 2005 or even in 2006, i.e. not even when it was becoming obvious that there were no WMD was it entirely ok for most Americans to say it, but only well after it was obvious that the war was going badly.

Why do human beings still judge the rightness of a cause in relation to the success of those who implement the strategy to achieve the goals of that cause? Had Rumsfeld been at all competent and had the invasion been more successful, would the whole thing have been any more right or worth all the costs?

No.

[i’m postin’ from old weisgarber m’self … :)]

And now, I’ll mind my manners and leave the perv stuff to others . . . ;-)

It IS late night, ain’t it . . ????

Damned Merlot, almost aphro like . . . ;-)

Forever Yellow Skies
I’m Still Remembering
Bosnia
I Just Shot John Lennon
Zombies
How
Will You Remember
Nothing Left At All

And every other youtube of theirs. *G*

Here’s a hoist of Merlot to Dolores O’Riordan, bless her voice and soul.

Harumph!

I’ve been youtubing Cranberries, for a couple of hours now . . . god I love that Dolores O’Riordan. And Her Music.

Srsly, talk about intense, deep and multi meaning songs. Sigh. Even my new hip is old school anymore.

But for you folks out there, just run the youtube table on Cranberries.

And google their To The Faithful Departed cd, and then youtube each and every song.

Damn, and Zombie, and How, too . . . ok, back to yer regular Puppy Channel. ;-)

(Things you pick up from reading. Even if it’s fiction.)