On Thursday afternoon, Thomas gave a clinic in fortitude to President Obama’s spokesman, Robert Gibbs, during the briefing. "Has the president given up on the public option?" she inquired from her front-row-middle seat.
The press secretary laughed at this repetition of a common Thomas inquiry, but this questioner, who has covered every president since Kennedy, wasn’t about to be silenced. "I ask it day after day because it has great meaning in this country, and you never answer it," she said.
"Well, I — I — I apparently don’t answer it to your satisfaction," Gibbs stammered.
"That’s right," Thomas snarled.
"I — I’ll — I’ll give you the same answer that I gave you unsatisfactorily for many of those other days," Gibbs offered. "It’s what the president believes in –"
"Is he going to fight for it or not?" Thomas snapped.
"We’re going to work to get choice and competition into health-care reform" was Gibbs’s vague response.
Thomas took that as a no. "You’re not going to get it," she advised.
"Then why do you keep asking me?" Gibbs inquired.
"Because I want your conscience to bother you," Thomas replied. The room erupted; Gibbs reddened.
Actually, conscience isn’t the problem for Gibbs and his boss; it’s spine.
Actually, Helen is right, and Dana is wrong.
I know, big surprise.
You see, this "spine" of which Dana writes implies that the Obama team has wanted to—and still wants to—push for a public option, but they are afraid to do it. It implies that the inclusion of a public option in a health reform bill is the goal of the administration’s strategy, but they flinched.
Alas, as we’ve discovered, the public option is part of a strategy, but that strategy is one that keeps the PO floating in a “believe in, but won’t insist on” limbo for the listening and dancing pleasure of the Democratic base, while the Rahm Squad plays sweet music for the moneyed interests. In the end, the White House fully expects to ditch the public option, say “Hey, we tried, but the votes weren’t there,” and then turn to PhRMA, the AMA, hospitals, health insurance companies, and the other benefactor-beneficiaries of the Baucus Caucus and say (sotto voce), “We kept our end of the deal, now you keep yours.” That is the administration’s strategy; they know it, but they won’t say it in an on-the-record press conference.
And that, of course, is shameful. That behavior, that plan, that level of faux-realpolitik cynicism is a betrayal of the heady promises made by candidate Obama, and, more importantly, of all the folks that worked so hard to get him elected. That is that sort of thing that should gnaw at you, that is the sort of thing that should eat your conscience alive.
(special thanks to KC for finding the video of the exchange)
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Should put a statue of Helen in the Capitol someday.
Every press secretary seems to have to learn anew: you don’t piss around with Helen Thomas.
Right up there with the whole thing about needing 60 votes. They don’t really need 60 votes; they do want them, for whatever reason. (And actually are not doing anything, AFAICT, to get them.)
I want a liberal/progressive party. Or the blue dogs (’Republican-lite’ congresscritters) to get mad enough to leave.
Gibbs (who the hell knows how he feels about the PO), suddenly more admiring of the grit and fortitude (and the advantage of shamelessly banishing Helen Thomas to the cheap seats) of McClelland than of his boss, is moving to Texas to lounge on Scotty’s porch and watch reruns of Hee-Haw.
Then he wakes up, shakes off the sleep, and wishes his problems were only those of Ron Ziegler…
Thanks Gregg
Colbert will do the dedication.
Why doesn’t Obama want a public option? Why does he think insurance companies are more important than people? I can understand Rahm being against it, he’s just another DLC type corporate dem. But I can’t figure out what’s in it for Obama. Is he really that craven of a politician?
Helen Thomas for president!
I have been asking for months: Where is the Million Citizen March on Washington for Health Care for All? Where are the celeb shiny objects? We need bodies peacefully in the streets on this. We always have. I take it that a certain key level of organization just has not happened — or are we in for some sort of next act when that kind of stuff plays out?
(OT P.S. You’re not from Lafayette are you, Gregg?)
Oh, no. I want her right where she is, doing just what she’s doing.
Yes.
This has been another episode of simple As to simple Qs.
Gregg, did you mean Dana?
I was wondering why we hadn’t heard much about Helen Thomas lately. But what really shocks me is that Dana Milbank’s actually on the right side of an issue for a change.
It’s the old broken clock principle. Not to worry, he’ll probably be an idiot again next week.
True enough. He is like Brooks – stubs his toe and stumbles across truth, then receives a call from Rove’s minions and jumps right back on the crazy train.
I’m certain it will require less time than that.
I don’t know about that, but there’s no doubt that Sen Tom Harkin would make an infinitely better Majority Leader than Reid. Not only would Harkin push his Senate colleagues until he got the public option on the floor, he’d probably stand up to the jackals in the administration in order to make it happen, too.
Missing the point is Dana Milbank’s specialty. When he isn’t fluffing the powers-that-be.
Except for the word “infinitely,” I could almost believe you’re damning with faint praise. After all, a limp noodle would make a better leader than Reid.
I don’t think Dana is an idiot. Wish I did. He is so owned.
Exactly what is involved in “fluffing?” Please be explicit and thorough. Credit will not be given for partial answers.
To be honest, I didn’t much like Daschle and was even less happy when the leadership went to Reid.
I don’t know, but “fluffing” sounds kinda kinky.
That’s why I asked.
Why does “smarmy” come to mind with Daschle?
Dana, Dana…she does not snarl, nor does she snap. I listened twice to make very sure.
But I do.
Be careful what kind of loaded verbs you use in future. Little pissant.
I don’t think there has been a competent Dem leader on the Hill since Tip O’Neill.
Breathing new life into a flagging erection by any means available.
Well, eCAHN.
You’ve asked a straight question.
And now push for a straight answer, just like Helen Thomas.
Teddy’s hiding. A tactic not available to Gibbs.
And that’s exactly the reason this situation went fubar.
I wasn’t much of a fan of Nancy Pelosi, but she has earned my respect.
Barack Obama gained my respect since he took office, but now it’s looking like, well…
Harry Reid, though. We have the stage perfectly set for them to have checkmate in three moves. So, here we are, 28 moves later, and it looks like they’re just determined to throw it all away.
Why is that? Because no one who’s competent wants the job?
Ds are really good at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
Obama was an effective campaigner but is evidently a crappy politician, gave away too much from the outset. Nancy has talked a good game but will cave eventually. Reid is just pathetic.
Legislative competence is not required. Only fluffers need apply.
Edit… I thought for sure you were talking about Dana Perino, not Dana Milbank.
Far scarier.
Delicately phrased, but my understanding of the term (supported by the urban dictionary, http://www.urbandictionary.com) is that the specific reference is to backstage oral operations on pornographic movie sets.
I think they all have a quota.
Back to the topic, what Gregg Levine eloquently surmised, Jane Hamsher has been intimating with a steady crescendo. [A crescendo is a small spiky mammal.] I’m afraid they are correct.
Being competent doesn’t enter into it. Being properly $upportive of your peer$ in your Hou$e of Congre$$ doe$.
Practice, practice, practice.
Although they didn’t start things off, Daschle & Gephardt certainly advanced the Republican dream of making supplicants out of Dems when they took a complete pass on the Patriot act. It is at that moment that the Democratic party completed the handover of the legislature to the shouters.
We should not blame Obama for that (he is responsible for a whole lot of things) – we forked it over without so much as a whimper.
From Urban Dictionary:
IOW, sometimes they’re just looking for a handout.
Some of the other definitions are interesting too, like female farting.
My understanding (based on no direct information at all) is that fluffing has been put out of business by ED drugs.
To be sure, Ds have had a lot of practice, and as the cliche goes, practice makes perfect.
And given what those whores on Capitol Hill are doing, the reference is perfectly appropriate.
Milbank’s wiki entry is remarkably scant.
Something about the condescending laughter that always seems to attend an actual honest question. Versailles America really makes me fucking barf.
One of my sisters has been using the term in that context for years. Gee, I just thought she was being eccentric.
This is my favorite definition. I thought my imagination was good, but I never thought of this.
Helen is made of tougher stuff than I or at least has a much higher tolerance for imbeciles. Likely some combination of the two.
dare I ask what a hairy houdini might be?
Egad, did you read the definition of “hairy houdini?”
If you must know.
Gotta go back to the link and click on it. FDL doesn’t allow links within quotes. Or maybe it does, but I don’t know how to do it.
TMI.
For making neocon remarks, Milbank got shunned by Olbermann. Now Craig Crawford does some verbal volleys.
Last nite, the “centrist” Crawford said that Lindsey Graham is a level-headed, good guy.
I guess Crawford wants to go where Milbank went.
Why lend credibility to neocons? It is not warranted. Graham, Lieberman and Crazy McCain were the three Iraq amigos.
Ah got a Persian Rug fer Five Bucks! – Lindsey
Turns out “peanut butter” has multiple interpretations as well. Modern relations are so complicated, makes me glad to be a hermit.
Hopefully, more & more progressives will recognize Obama is corporate owned. His speeches are filled with progressive rhetoric, followed by actions which benefit the rich & powerful. Sounds a lot like those evil crazies of the other wing of the American Corporate Party. The final bill that passed, and you know it will pass, will be a jackpot for the insurance industry & Big Pharma. So, progressives, do we huff & puff to keep a corrupted Democratic Party in power, or is it time to stop this farce? My suggestions: 1. Primary all Blue Dogs, including Obama. 2. If a Blue Dog wins their primary, vote for the Republican opponent in the general(It gets rid of the fake Democrat to await a later day). Until all Blue Dogs are kicked-out of the tent, there is no hope for real change.
I’m sorry I started this.
Ms. Lindsey IS what passes for sane over there these days.
Imagine that.
TMI is right. Used to think I’d like to know everything. The internet taught me there is much that is best ignored.
At least there’s one real journalist in the WH briefing room. Gibbs is just another flack in a long line of WH flacks. The more things change the more they stay the same.
Thanks. I did not need to know.
You got that right.
I have a long letter I want to send to the White House. How much would you all hate me if I put it up for your comments? Serious feedback only.
The WH press corps are by and large merely courtesans. Pampered, priviledge and most wanting nothing more than to fit in and cash in. Pathetic stooges.
Do I need to pass on the brain bleach?
Gibbs is so bad, I wonder where the hell they found him. Scotty McClellan faked sincerity 100 times better. This Gibbs guy is a real assclown.
I think he’ll get the hook very soon.
Put it up, Knoxville.
A link to this thread would be strongly preferred.
Maybe put it up as a diary, if it’s really long. Then link to it, inviting comments? Don’t know if that’s an appropriate use of diaries.
Obama wouldn’t want to add to the unemployment figures unless of course he’s letting someone go who is a real progressive. Gibbs sadly will be around for a while until he has enough material for a book.
I learned a long time ago that nobody reads long e-mails, however well written. Bulleted lists have the best chance of at least getting skimmed.
Same goes for comments, with the exception of Marcy’s regular commentators.
Very appropriate use of a diary.
Heading out, splendid weekend to all.
Maybe. I just don’t think Gibbs is an effective shit peddler. He is unable to fake sincerity or empathy; he stammers, yammers and trips all over his tongue, and he’s a fucking goofball.
IMHO, he won’t last much longer.
Helen!
I know. Long messages are easier to blow over. And I have a tendency to be long winded. However, I have never written to the White House before and I want this one letter to be right.
Not sure what a diary is and I don’t know where to put it so I can give a link to it. I’m just going to put it up. Whoever wants to skip over it, can.
I will appreciate any comments, from overall impressions to little typos.
Here it is. If you click on “seminal” at the top of FDL, you can see what kinds of diaries others have written.
Dear California:
Both of your Senators are snakes. They’re no better or worse than any of the others. But they’re snakes.
Shame on you, Californians for electing them. Diane Feinstein and Barbara Boser are both snakes. You elected them. Shame on you voters in California. How could you?
I think appealing to O’s better nature is a losing proposition. He gave that up a long time ago. (I actually doubt he ever had one, but that remains to be seen.)
Too long, too rambling.
A letter to a government official should fit on one piece of paper. Telling President Obama he’s well down the road to disappointing you (again) might make you feel better, but it won’t carry a lot of influence.
Figure out what you want to say (Get a conscience, and a bad bill is a lot worse than no bill at all), marshal your arguments and make them.
YES!!!!!!!!!!
Two things matter – legacy and electoral vulnerability.
I used to think we could wave the old, “You are charged with preserving, protecting, and defending the Constitution…” trope. But I think we are past that.
Actually, I was trying to point out to him that he’s facing the same situation that Clinton faced going into the 1994 midterm election. That time, Clinton pushed too hard and lost. This time, in 2010, Obama will lose because he hasn’t pushed hard enough and achieve results.
I seriously doubt Obama wants to face a Republican-run Congress come Jan 2011.
Bush didn’t give the moral high ground to anyone, and he certainly didn’t give it up to US. We’d still have it if he had. Something like this might be more effective.
“President Bush deserted the moral high ground. It is your duty and privilege to lead us back to the moral high ground. Do not lead us further into the moral swamp by abandoning the needs of the people in favor of the health insurance oligarchy.”
Thanks for your comments. I will cut out all the rambling about waiting forever for this moment and focus on the punches.
Yes, Diarist. Good analysis. Obama long ago gave up on real healthcare reform and now talks about insurance reform. He’s all talk and no action. He has brought zilch in terms of change on the bank bailouts (same policy as W’s Paulson), on defense (even kept W’s Defense Secretary on), on state secrets etc. He’s a mouthpiece for Goldman Sachs and the insurance companies.
By the way, http://www.healthcareforamericanow.org is airing two new ads here in Tennessee. Both powerful. I’m going to make another contribution to them. So I’m not just writing letters!
I suppose the ads focusing on Baucus are still airing in Montana and DC. Anyone know? And what about FDL Action’s ad focusing on Lincoln and Ross. I haven’t heard anything about them. Are they airing in Arkansas or what?
Hi Knoxville, you are a brave one to put up your writing and ask for comments! :)
I agree with BCT: too long. Is your major point basically
“hey we have waited too long for this opportunity. Don’t squander it.”?
I guess if it were my letter I’d point out the consequences of blowing off his campaign promises: hurting a whole lot of young people; hurting the country even more with salt in the wound he was sent to heal; and putting the GOP back in power.
I might even repeat some of the things he said in his campaign, the personal stories.
Then give him your “call to action”. Support the PO unequivocally.
That comment right there would make a good letter, changing it so it’s “You’re facing the same..” etc.
EXACTLY! Mind if I borrow your wording, along with BargainCountertenor’s?
But O walks on water. His shit doesn’t smell, and the poo that’s thrown at him doesn’t stick.
I guess I didn’t want to say it so directly. I’m sure they’re very aware of what their lives will be like if Boehner were to become Speaker in a little over a year. So I thought inserting it indirectly would paint the picture more effectively. But it’s too long.
What about this shorter version?
Knoxville
Find something between: Dear Mr. President, You suck..
…and what you wrote ;~P
Seriously, stick to the facts and keep it brief. One page. Period.
Great job, though.
Since you’re new to FDL, I’m guessing you don’t realize that Lurk (comment 70) is the FDL moderator here.
If I may…
Thanks! I’m not sure a message that amounts to “you suck” will go anywhere but the circular file! ;-) I’m trying to give the impression that this President and Congress will lose reasonable, moderate Democrats like me if they f*ck us over.
Only half right.
Boxer is okay. (Not great, but okay.)
DiFi sucks.
Sometimes I wonder if people in power are really aware, or if they think they’re invulnerable.
I didn’t realize it! Sorry. I did reply to that comment within my reply to eCAHN @ 78.
That’s kinda where I was going…
Hey newt!
That’s got to be true for many of them.
What else could explain John Edwards and John Ensign?
I doubt it’s true of all of them, though.
Doing a drive-by as I finish canning 60 f&!king lbs. of gorgeous Bartlett pears.
I put $10 into Grayson’s corner yesterday. I would so willingly put $10 into the corner Helen Thomas says we should donate to , to prove we have her back. I would love to prove I have her BACK. Jeez, how do we treat our elders when they stand strong for us? Helen doesn’t have a personal story in this debate in terms of her health care providers.She’s very comfortable. She’s giving us her final years, when she could retire, to be the ignition spark on Health Care Reform.
Thank you, Helen Thomas!!!!! From the depth of my heart. You didn’t have to go there but you did.
Although I would edit the first sentence thusly:
Wow. Now I know where everybody was while I was still downstairs!
I have been wondering about flooding the WH switchboard with “No bill if no public option!!” calls, but I’ve just about given up. “A deal is a deal, after all” [with Pharma]but a promise to voters is what? Bait for the suckers? The only way to deliver the deal to Pharma?
I have to believe Obama has no intention of letting a public option through; he has the skills to get it done if he actually wanted it.
I have to avoid news shows for whole days to be able to keep breathing, not burst into tears at odd moments, or crawl into bed for the next year. (well, the cats would wake me up for breakfast. That is one of their chief values. *g*)
A minor footnote to marymcurmin’s situation – Got my waiver to sign for my actual divorce today. This evening, my about-to-be-ex offered one last try for the sake of health insurance – for me-he’s employed and I’m not. But he meant cancelling, not putting off the divorce, and moving back to the house that depressed me nearly to suicide, and he’s afraid to leave it and rent (his family owns the horror). No deal, I guess.
What weird twists this so-called “system” of health care/health insurance causes us all.
And I spent this past week in horrible pain without so much as calling my doctor because….you know. Much better. No serious consequences this time. What a fcked up world we live in. The best country with the best health care iin the world./s
Good night, folks.
I like to think that my letter will only be one of thousands that they receive, all essentially saying the same thing, which is: “It appears that you’re going to throw away this opportunity. Please don’t.”
Don’t apologize to me, just figured you’d want to know *smile*
THAT’S IT! I’M GOING TO SEND IT EXACTLY AS YOU’VE PUT IT.
Thank you.
Sorry to everyone for submitting such long comments earlier.
Thanks, newtonusr!
(((tejanarusa)))
I do that. I write looooong comments, walk away for a sec, come back and trim out 90%. The spleen-venting part is for me, not the reader :-)
[[[tejanarusa]]]
I’m so sorry you have to go through this pain. And I know…”What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger..”, Fuck that! It sucks.
Thanks. Just re-read what I wrote – didn’t mean to be so WATB.
Compared to mary, getting divorced when neither of them wants to, it ain’t so bad. If Suzanne’s here, she may recall I announced the final very last forever end of my marriage before….and then we gave it another shot…but now there’s paperwork and a case number. Anyway, looks like everybody’s gone upstairs.
Like I said to Mary…
What a shitty country. Best of luck.
Yeah, well, it sounds worse written down, somehow.
We talked about getting older (I’m 60 this month)and sicker alone…enither of us looks forward to it, but we just can’t make it work. Believe me, sad as I am, I am much happier than in that horrible little house with a man who was usually mad at me. I really suspect we’d be back in that place again if we actually tried it, and that was much, much worse.
And, before I got sick, I went to the symphony last Saturday, opening weekend, fabulous seat (bargain offer eagerly snatched up with recent earnings), and had a maaaavelous time. How long had it been, you ask? About 22 years. Got him to go once before we got married…..
[response to newtonusr October 2nd, 2009 at 10:16 pm @ 116]
Thanks again!
TheLurkingMod = moderator. I didn’t get that till now…
Here is the official Lurking Moderator welcome:
Welcome.
Is that you, Suzanne? Are you allowed to say?
Hey Knoxville and others,
Did you really think that the powers that controlled Bush’s presidency would be so stupid as to not make sure they had the “opposition” under 100% control too? That would beye a really dumb move wouldn’t it? They just allow us to perceive (imagine?) enough difference between the two administrations to believe that we still have a democracy. Usually they fall short of even that minimal requirement, and then it’s up to the media to complete the bamboozlement.
Have you not been paying attention? For the last 10 to 15 years?
Maybe we should set up a “show us who has the balls to be the leader when Harry gets his ass voted out next year” situation. It sounds like Rockefeller and Harkin have figured out that the voting public want strong leaders as well as public options. It would be wonderful to see them all fall all over themselves to look strong and populist, at least long enough to get some real reform done. When we’re not so desperately close to so many different cliffs, they can go back to being lazy and weak if it all proves too hard for them to maintain.
Easy now.
We just elected a Black President. I’ll bet the powers-that-be didn’t see that one coming. And we’re not through.
Unless you think we should just lie back and take our screwing like good little lemmings.
Newton – Are you kidding? That’s the whole point – whatever it takes to fool all of you suckers.
Good grief. Wake up please people, if you dare.
You suckers? So in your calculation, just for the record, who would be in the “not-suckers” category?
Naderites? Paulists?
Seriously…
Thanks for the constructive contribution, by the way.
You really don’t get it do you? They are putting on a show for you with the intention that you get caught up in the details and miss the forest for the trees.
Non-suckers are people who think for themselves. That kind of rules out any particular affiliation I think.
No, you didn’t answer anything.
What is your aim? What is your point?
To encourage you to think more deeply and clearly, even if it makes you uncomfortable.
Thank you so much.
And your question asked me to identify the not-suckers, which I did answer fully.
I sense I will not persuade you. That’s cool. At least you thought about it – more than most people would have done. Maybe you will revisit the idea sometime. Good luck.
Gibbs would be well advised to consider that those who mock and belittle Helen Thomas’ are not likely to fare very in the 20/20 hindsight of posterity. Thomas has more experience than anyone in press corps or in government. She has seen more obfuscation, posturing, spin, and outright lying than anyone else in the room. She also can smell bullshit when it is shoveled in her direction. Thomas was one of the very few in the White House press corps who did not succumb to intellectual and professional laziness during the Bush administration. While her colleagues had reduced themselves to being little more than stenographers for Bush, Thomas was doing what good reporters are supposed to do: to think, to be skeptical, to ask questions, and listen to the answers (or non-answers) and ask the obvious follow up questions.
I hope Thomas keeps asking that question repeatedly and does not let Gibbs and President Obama off the hook as easily as her colleagues do. We would be much better served by the press corps if they all exercised that kind of insistence on truth, integrity and the tenacity with which she has done her job for some 50 years.
I agree.
60 votes is such bullshit. 60 Democratic votes and it STILL wouldn’t be “bipartisan.” 60 votes, my hairy ass! They can pass Medicare for All under with 50 votes under reconciliation because bringing in healthy, younger people would reduce Medicare’s unfunded liabilities and reduce the deficit.
Yes, Medicare for All would reduce the deficit.
Argh!
Sans all the laughter, he basically answered “unlikely.” It’s “something” the president “believes in”.
Not answering her direct question.
He doesn’t refute her assertion.
Ms. Thomas “snarled”, Dana? By Washington Post standards, Ms. Thomas was as polite as a Southern belle, at least one that wanted to know whether Rhett really was going to marry her, now that he had put her in the family way.
The room “erupted”? Perhaps it woke up, surprised that one of its members was doing their job. “Erupt” is what people do when they view Mr. Milbank’s WaPoop-subsidized home movies.
Heaven help us from the cringe-inducing, whiny MSM types like Dana Milbank, who confuse brow-tugging stenography with journalism.
Agreed, Gibbs didn’t refute Helen’s assertion, he was condescending to her with, “Then why do you keep asking me ?” and Helen handed his ass to him on a Silver Platter.
Gibbs is accomplished at ad libbing and he got beaten by a smarter foe.
Why would Obama not fight for single-payer, and basically just name drop this “public option” rather than fight tooth and nail for it? Well, he’s a neoliberal. The fact he’s black or was raised by his grandparents of course affected his point of view, but it doesn’t mean he comes to the same conclusions about what is best to do as many progressives, and classic (not neoliberal/corporate) Democrats. That’s a poor conclusion many have made, and still want to believe in (including Michael Moore) despite all evidence to the contrary. He’s always worked within the system, never an agitator, and has made his way to the top, so again, I don’t think he has the same skepticism about the status quo (minus the Bush years) as many of us do. It’s possible to be poor and see the solution is within the current system, capitalism (and volunteer groups) rather than the government. His mother after all was responsible for bringing micro-finance to developing countries. This of course has good aspects that can help the poor get off the ground, but has many negative aspects as well. It’s a very capitalist solution to poverty.
Gregg is right. The problem would be spine only if Obahma & Rahma really wanted a credible public option, but flinched from demanding it for lack of courage.
They don’t want one. Not wanting to disrupt the elegant workings of unrestrained capitalism, they already negotiated it away. They now need a reason why they “can’t” get it.
The reason is a maguffin; it doesn’t matter what it is. It could be because their Senate pets claim to need a a 60 or 70 vote majority (when they only need 51 votes). It could be because the GOP (not the Blue Dogs) are recalcitrant and say no to everything. (A characterization Dems other than the likes of Alan Grayson refuse to use.) Or it could be because the dog ate the bill before it got out of Conference Committee. As long as the reason is well-done enough to stick to the wall of the MSM, it’s good enough for gubmint work.
Had these actors consciences, they would be bothered about shenanigans that disrupt families, lay treasuries bare and cost lives. That they don’t should bother us. It’s a feeling we need to attach to our pocketbooks and voting preferences.
What bothered Dana Milbank is that the room – filled with the most elite journalists in Washington, DC – “erupted” because a reporter was impolite enough to speak the truth to the president’s press flack.
It’s Dana Milbank’s face that should still be red, because Ms. Thomas was speaking to everyone in that room, not just Mr. Gibbs.
If the White House briefing room were actually filled with reporters, instead of the likes of Dana Milbank, it would be erupting every day. That it is Ms. Thomas’ behavior that is deemed unusual, rather than that the White House press corpse plays dead every day, is what’s newsworthy.
Exactly. Robert Reich recently wrote that they had negotiated a deal with the hc industry early on so that the hc industry wouldn’t throw their full weight into crushing any reform. I suppose Obama wasn’t so interested in a war with the hc industry, which would include more than insurance companies, and maybe feels private insurance works well enough so long as people have it. So that became his goal, something the hc industry would obviously be quite happy about. “You cover the sick, and we’ll force the healthy who currently don’t pay to get insurance as well. Deal?”
So, though the hc industry is spending millions in their campaign, it’s more to keep politicians in line with the deal they’ve already made and not to stray into the public option or single payer, which would spoil the deal for both the president and the industry. They want to say they passed major “reform” and they don’t want to lose.
The Democrats in Congress have a large say in whether Democrats retain control of the Congress. Do they want to have the majority to do things or just for the sense of power? Do they care to follow the lead of the President or did they just want him in office to make it easier for themselves to be re-elected? Do they really want to do the job and push the agenda?
It appears at times they would just be happy to take a blank piece of paper and write “Healthcare Reform of 2009″ on it and vote. Then they could take credit for passing ‘healthcare reform’.
I say that with some trepidation since they had done some good things leading up to the healthcare legislation work. They aren’t all disappointing all the time.
It’s just that the stimulus was required, but the healthcare reform, however important, might well have been ignored by many other presidents. The healthcare reform has been identified by Dems as their number one priority since 1992. How can there possibly be some senators who don’t care to really change things? How can they not see the current system is unsustainable no matter how they might want to support and build on it. Did they miss the healthcare debate among presidential candidates during 2007 and 2008? Do they think they get to decide all this by themselves?
How can a senator be so isolated that they don’t realize this is important to do NOW. The urgency of now is lost on them. Why? Because their own ideas of how the healthcare system/model should work has not been challenged and changed. Why? Because they have been isolated and have not engaged in the debate/discussion. They’re dinosaurs on this issue.
Are we back to square one? Do we have to begin the discussion of how the healthcare system should work and what principles have to be fundamental to it?
If you have a gov’t (or employer) run system you have control, but individuals lose their freedom. If you have individual freedom you have to release the great big rich hand of the corporations. If you have soaring costs you have to look at the pricing mechanism and see what’s wrong. We know our system lacks competition because it’s a health issue and individuals can’t do anything about it and the insurance market isn’t very competitive and is dominated by insurers dealing with corporations.
It’s corporate pricing which the healthcare insurers love. They soak up the dollars like a sponge. The more dollars in the pool the more they want. They would love the large stream of dollars from a gov’t able to put more and more in a system. They do very well with a corporate source that they’re draining to the point that we can’t compete internationally. They stay away from individual pricing because that doesn’t offer them much blood to suck.
The only way a gov’t system could avoid pouring endless dollars in the system is to control what it will pay directly to providers and that’s not a free market system. A great many Democrats and ALL Republicans would oppose that on principle, not to mention for political purposes.
The employer-based system Kerry wants to support is killing us. We need insurers to price to the individual and family, not corporations with deep pockets and not the gov’t treasury. And, we need them to compete with one another to get the individual’s business.
We need choice for individuals and competition for insurers.
The Exchange is good. Crossing state lines to buy insurance anywhere would be good. Ending anti-trust exemptions for insurers might make life a little tougher on them and better for everyone else. Many of the other reforms in the current legislation would also help consumers.
But, you get the competition when it’s individuals and not corporations the insurer has to sign up. You get competition when there are more sources of insurance. You get more competition when more people are enabled to buy insurance and the profits could be higher for the competitive winner.
You get more competition when there’s more plans for the individual to choose from. That might include (a) public option(s). It clearly happens when the individual, hundreds of millions, find what is best for them.
The employer-based system burdens employers (Ask GM and look at what’s happening to American Airlines today) and ties employees to jobs. That’s not good for the nation’s economy. Perhaps worst of all, it more-or-less condemns the unemployed to not having insurance because the rates are corporate rates that individuals, and particularly unemployed individuals, can’t afford.
Rep. Alan Grayson recently said over 40 thousand people die every year because they don’t have health insurance. How many of those were unemployed? Democrats can’t afford to be the party whose healthcare reform plan is: We’re not going to change anything because we must support the employer-based system, so 1. Get a job with insurance; 2. Don’t get sick; 3. If you get sick die quickly, so you won’t be a burden on anybody. That’s unacceptable.
The Harvard study Alan Grayson quoted from this week concluded that 45,000 Americans die prematurely in the United States each year because they cannot obtain reasonable health care. That’s 45,000 preventable deaths every year, and many more lives needlessly afflicted with physical and mental anguish, afraid of meeting the same fate.
Let’s put that in perspective. We would need to build one new Vietnam Veterans’ Memorial on the Mall in Washington each year just to hold the names of the dead. They would quickly lead up the steps of the Capitol and into the pristine Rose Garden at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
None of those dead will work on Capitol Hill. For $503 a year, members of Congress and the Supreme Court have a fully staffed Naval hospital in the basement, preferential access to Washington area hospitals and a choice of 10, count ‘em, 10 premium, no questions asked full-coverage medical plans. All on the taxpayer’s dime (millions of them). A modest benefits plan for a family of four in this country costs twice that per month. And it’s not taxpayer financed.
and beautiful roses each day.
I read (somewhere) that the WH abandoned the single-payer/PO back in the Spring b/c they were afraid of the pushback from Big Insurance and Big Pharma and the ads they would run on tv attacking the WH/Obama.
I’m a huge Obama supporter, and I like to give him all the credit in the world for being 6 jumps ahead of everyone else, but isn’t that why we elected him? — to fight the good fight?
To say that I’m disappointed by the WH’s weenie-ism on this, is an understatement.
Those democrats in congress beholding to insurance “corporations” will enable the further evisceration of the American people, just as the segregationist undermined the constitutional and civil rights of AMERICANS. The lawmakers bought by monied interests, are now proposing a “life tax” with penalty for failure to comply, with a government mandate to enter into contracts with corporations? This is grounds for action!! Since when under our system of law does the government have right to impose a tax penalty on individuals who are now “forced to associate” with scumbag insurers?
CORPORATE SERVITUDE UNDER THE COLOR OF LAW? Corporate Sodomy under the color of law!
“Freedom of association,” usurped? Now a tax on “Life” itself. Servitude Under the color of law. Jefferson is and was correct! Anybody feel like “”Dred Scott?” What protection of law?? The corporations are taking everything, now enabled by Government? Corporate Protectionism??
If folks wanted to see Americans take to the streets to fight for real healthcare reform, we needed Obama to go straight for single-payer. For THAT, I would enthusiastically engage… and I bet I’m not alone. Instead, we have Obama’s waffly, pseudo-support for a watered-down, bipartisan ‘tweak’ to the current failed system.
We are not impressed.
Why are the insurance companies even part of this discussion? When does America get to re-join the civilized world?
America is officially broken.
obama is a gutless coward. can you imagine a SINGLE principle that he wouldn’t negotiate away?
and i’m laughing at his rapidly dropping jowls and neck flap–he’s quickly earning the face he deserves