I was all set to write a post speculating about who might be sufficiently crazy enough to win the Republican presidential primary in 2012, when David Brooks tried to throw some sand in my gears:
The talk jocks are now in spittle-flecked furor. Day after day, whole programs are dedicated to hurling abuse at McCain and everybody ever associated with him. The jocks are threatening to unleash their angry millions.
Yet the imaginary armies do not materialize. McCain wins the South Carolina primary and goes on to win the nomination. The talk jocks can’t even deliver the conservative voters who show up at Republican primaries. They can’t even deliver South Carolina!
….[The] media mavens who claim to represent a hidden majority… in fact represent a mere niche — even in the Republican Party.
Is it possible that all the sound and fury of the Becks and Limbaughs and their unhinged minions really signifies nothing? That the bigots and weirdos carrying racist and incoherent signs in DC last month were the sum total of Beck’s loyal minions, and everyone else only watches him for the same reason people watch Jerry Springer and NASCAR? That the real "silent majority" in the Republican Party is made up of sane, decent, practical-minded folks who find their lunatic fringe appalling?
Well, maybe. Brooks’ logic is a little shaky, as he apparently assumes that the support of conservative talkers would be enough to overcome Thompson’s fatal laziness, or the anti-Mormon bigotry that dogged Romney (so to speak). There’s influence, and then there’s miracle-working.
Since we can’t really rely on the presidential primary results (plus the fact that the Republicans have actually become even more insane since then), what else can we look at? Alas, there are no polls which ask respondents "Are you a raving insane person who gets all your information from Fox News and talk radio, Yes, No, or Not Sure?", so we’ll just have to look at how many of them are birthers and deathers instead.
I found polls from July (Kos/Research 2000) and August (Public Policy Polling) on whether or not Obama was born in the U.S. The July poll yields 42% Yes, 28% No, and 30% Not Sure from Republicans, while the August poll breaks down 36/44/20. On the question of death panels, I found a September poll (Kos/Research 2000) which echoes the Republican scare language about "level of productivity in society." That one breaks down 43% No, 26% Yes, and 31% Not Sure.
If we ponder all of those numbers together, it appears that roughly 40-45% of Republicans spend most of their time on this planet, while the rest hover somewhere between Wildly Credulous and Ted Nugent. In other words, a significant majority of Republicans are so far out of touch with reality that the most insane talk radio conspiracy garbage sounds pretty plausible to them. Even if they’re not at Rush and Beck’s beck and call, they’re sure as hell listening. And believing.
I was going to write that the Republican Party is so crazy now – and getting crazier – that Sarah Palin could have a serious shot at the nomination. But now I’m wondering whether she’s crazy enough.



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It’ll be Beck.
We’re long overdue for a “It Can’t Happen Here” American moment, lotsa broadcasters have tried, but I think Beck could pull off the nom.
Palin is definitely crazy enough!
Teabaggers hate democracy and want our president to fail.
Who else hates democracy and wants the United States to fail?
My questions is this – how crazy can people get?
What was it that Sen. Lindsey Graham said about Beck?
I was thinking some combination of Palin, Beck, and Bachmann. But like I said, I’m not sure Palin’s crazy enough anymore. The GOP has passed her by.
Maybe Virginia Foxx or Jean Schmidt…
Will Beck make himself cry during the acceptance speech?
If Sara Palin became president we wouldn’t have to worry but for ten – fifteen months tops. She would quit a third of the way in.
Yes, I’m sure her veep wouldn’t be insane at all.
oh yea, that.
See, that’s where your Bachmann or Beck would be. Or perhaps some kind of Beckmann hybrid creature…
Like Mittens, Beck is a Mormon.
You know that. I know that. I’m not sure Greater Wingnuttia has really noticed.
It’s so ironic how Republicans have this huge distrust of Mormons, despite the fact that they’re ideologically pretty much indistinguishable from fundies, and how many Mormon conservatives and Bush loyalists there are. Wasn’t, like, half of Bush’s DOJ Mormon?
Want is up with the Mormon’s infiltrating everything. Remember when Howard Hughes died and it was found that they had taken over everything for him.
They’re just like the gays OMG!
Maybe it’s the alcohol ban that throws ‘em. Marrying your cousins can’t be the problem.
They get crazy enough to host shows on Pox Noise !
((( Mary & Ron )))
LOL … Eli !
Beck’s a convert, though — having a revelation message can mean something to the born-again Xtianists, whereas Momo-for-life is suspicious to them.
Alternatively, an all-clown-car ticket: Palin/Bachmann
Rogue times two!
LDS was the Scientology of the 19th century. Both continue to seek mainstream acceptance. Sorry folks, if your superstition is less than 2000 years old you need not apply.
So, how many of you think that Palin paid Steve Schmidt to say that it would be a catastrophe if she were to become the 2012 Republican nominee?
Palin/Bachmann would certainly have entertainment value.
Palin wouldn’t pay anyone a nickel. She is too greedy.
Dualing Crazies.
Hah … I prefer to call it Stupid- stition …
So glad to see Sarah is wearing a flag pin on her book jacket. In fact, the color palette of the cover is red white and blue… almost like she is trying to tell us something.
Todd quit his job last month — such a stellar example that couple has set for little TeaLeaf, Camaro, and Moon Unit.
I have a theory that Michele Bachmann is into bestiality. It would explain how her twisted mind can turn the school-based health clinics discussed in H.R. 3200 into “sex clinics” that will take children on “abortion field trips.”
But a greedy person, especially a greedy Republican, knows how to manufacture a phony controversy to, say, sell books.
The talk jocks are now in spittle-flecked furor.
phony foaming at the mouth
Religion: a magic device for turning unanswerable questions into unquestionable answers.
Sarah wouldn’t be so subtle, would she?
In that case she should probably run on a ticket with Rick Santorum.
When Michele Bachmann is tapped out of ideas she finds the closest mental hospital and pays the patients for theirs.
“Here, Honey, this quarter is for you.”
Kinda like the episode of Seinfeld where Mr. Peterman buys the exclusive rights to all of Kramer’s stories?
The Unamerican, traitorous bastards that are the conservatives.
I wouldn’t wish that on a dog.
I also love the subtitle “An American Life.”
I would love for her to come to my ultra conservative school district where there are 5 of those clinics and tell the folks running them that they are sex clincs. I’d hate to see what they do to her.
She wouldn’t want us to mistake her for a Slovak.
Or a secessionist.
Or dumb and dumber.
Hey! Ron is a Slovak. 100%. But he is really smart.
Couldn’t help myself. He is always telling Slovak jokes.
To punaise @ 30
Ah!
The rabid transit …
the bridge from here to there
in no where flat!
The demagogic express is on the roll.
(Can you spell ”that’ without any ”r’s”?)
In fine form, tonight, as always you are, punaise.
If punaise was any tastier I would make a sandwich with him.
more like that episode on This American Life where the squirrels invade the attic, setting off a hilarious chain of events with the cop’s flashlight breaking the homeowner’s nose, a fireplace, and a burning couch set on fire by the flaming squirrel.
the more inadequate they realize they are the more insane they will become
here’s what’s going on;
those that ushered in “the republican era” (rush, elder, etc) are now impotent and worse
when I say worse, I mean they actually turn republicans into democrats, I even go so far as to have fun and call rush a “secret democrat” for all the republicans that are now democrats because of his insanity
so they are worse then impotent, BUT they are all the republican party has, how does that expression go?
“you dance with the one that brung ya” or something like that
so rush brought them success under Reagan, then again for bush (not really but enough to steal the election)
now they feel like without them they are nothing
and there is the problem, because with these “pundits” the republicans have to organize hate, violence and “apparent” discontent in order to get play
now don’t forget, they have the media under their thumb so when they say something it gets air time, which leads them to believe the are effective and so they keep it up
squirrel sandwich!
salut, DW!
Brilliant !
Yes, she is.
They’re like a distillery, boiling out all the impurities so that only the 100% crazy remain in the party.
If Beck doesn’t get the nomination, he might start crying. Sorta like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj4I2f0ZO6g
She missed her chance. She could have been God-Queen of the coldest fucking third-world country in the hemisphere.
Yea but they don’t get that when you boil down the pot the level of the liquid gets really low.
You think she got that idea about “sex clinics” from a patient in a mental hospital?
That theory has as much supporting evidence as does my theory that Michele Bachmann enjoys having sex with animals and, as a result of severe repression, finds that twisted interpretations of reality spew out of her unconscious mind and take over all her conscious thoughts without her even being aware of their origins.
As Dan Riehl said in his own twisted speculations about the death of Bill Sparkman, calling him a pedophile based on no evidence whatsoever, “right now we don’t. I’m simply speculating on one possible alternative, however impolite.”
http://www.riehlworldview.com/…..dator.html
So, as Riehl demonstrates the forensic method in the Conservative fantasy world – “One doesn’t rule anything in or out without some firm answers” – I am free to speculate publicly that the mental disorder that drives the sick mind of Michele Bachmann is the result of a fetish for having sex with animals.
Yep that’s a good one.
Sarah is as American as ADHD. We should be very proud (what was I talking about?).
Watching the drooling idiotic inbredheads is finally boring people. After acting insanely ignorant for all these months nobody cares anymore. Polls show that August’s non stop freak show didn’t change anybodies attitude towards the President. In fact his ratings went up slightly. Just as mimes and clowns can no longer hold peoples attention, these morons will be piled on the scrapheap of outdated entertainment. Sarah Palin’s death panels rap is really getting tedious. What will she do for an encore? Light herself on fire? Boring.She’s going to have to have sex with an alien and give birth to a three headed green freak baby to get anyone to pay attention. Don’t get me wrong. She will continue to say unbelievably ignorant things, but that’s not enough to hold peoples attention.All the right wing freaks are running out of things to outrage people about. Ignorance is getting boring, even to the ignorant. TeaScrotes will just have to go back to what they do best. Inbreeding.
here’s an example, think progress has this up right now and it is the absolute most insane thing I have seen from the republicans to date;
this is in your face, no question about it, rooting against america stuff right here
when rush went public and said “your damn right I want obama to fail” he opened the flood gates and made it “ok” for others to root against their own country
there is nothing like this in real life except something like your sister breaking your toy because she doesn’t have the same toy
no kidding, that’s what’s going on here, it is that juvenile and destructive, in the grown up world it would be similar to a baseball player who is thrown out of the game and so he tries to destroy baseball in it’s entirety because he can’t play
however in this case we are talking about our country, our children, our wives, our parents, they want the destruction of this country because they are out of power, they “think” they can then make the country whole once they are in power…but when they say “make it whole” what they mean is make it a “hole” for everyone but them
Geez, K-town, I was just kidding.
I don’t deserve the credit. Not certain who does but kudos to the anonymous donor.
that’s really really good ratfood and I think I will use it in the future for sound bite purposes
here’s what religion really is (imho)
we all know that we will one day die, yet we do not want to die
RELIGION!!!!
there, that says it all, it gives us imortality and that quest for immortality cedes from us a power, the power of men who would exploit our fear of death
there it is
Too many syllables in “secessionist.”
I’m framing that one.
you know, I love talking to “intelligent designers”
I tell them;
“well, I kind of don’t want my children believing in magic, I don’t want them saying to themselves, “if I can’t explain it then a magician did it”
I go further, “I don’t want to tell my kids, “there is a grand wizard, in charge of all other wizards”
man they go bonkers
I really don’t mind religion when it isn’t forced on me or used as an excuse to treat other people like crap. Life is too short to second guess other peoples personal choices.
I’m not kidding at all.
I think Michele Bachmann has a secret bestiality fetish.
Psychologically speaking, my theory is as sound as any.
Yeah, if humans are the product of intelligent design, said designer was a bit of an underachiever.
the funny thing, I happen to believe in god, I also believe in the heritage of my people…which is of course, “religion”
my belief system;
“I believe in god, I believe he created the light with the sun, I believe he created life the same way, with evolution”
you know, even “inteligent designers” get on board with that explanation of my belief
Are you atheist?
Can you imagine the lather they will have worked themselves into by three years from now? We’ll be on the verge of another presidential election then, and if the rational GOPs prevail, the loons won’t have got their way. So they will have nowhere to turn.
Will they, in fact, go rogue if they don’t have Sarah, Glenn, or Michele to vote for as President? I imagine some of them might.
the gop is counting on only the “old, white and conservative” will come out to vote in an off-year election; the only way to beat these guys is to beat the conventional wisdom. in 2010, it will be all the more important to get out the vote!
it would be irresponsible not to speculate.
It’s hard to imagine them getting any more crazy than they are right now.
On the other hand, it’s hard to imagine that they won’t.
Prefer the term agnostic since I can’t prove or disprove anything.
To ratfood @66
Absatively and posolutely!!!
I have enough trouble first-guessing my own choices.
Besides, from my perspective, ”religion” wants to make everybody the ”same”.
I mean, isn’t it enough that we are all human beings?
Yet it would appear that there is controversy around that notion as well.
(Hey! BTW has any American distributor taken up the new Brit movie about Darwin? Last I heard none would touch it owing to the ”controversial nature” of its ”subject matter”. I sure am glad the American public is not afraid of new ideas.)
DW
Isn’t that what happened last year? McCain wasn’t crazy enough for a lot of them.
They wanted at least the craziness that drives the mind of Huckabee.
Voter turnout for McCain was mighty low…
Yes, it would be irresponsible not to speculate, indeed.
I see you too have caught the same bug that is right wing ‘logic.’
And that’s why he had to get Palin. It was kind of like a coalition ticket.
It is really and truly spectacular, isn’t it ?
I’m an atheist.
mccain couldn’t get any contributers and i think it had more to do with himself then his party
he can’t give a speach, he sounded like a weak, high voiced impotent old man
he needed someone who would bring in the funds to make a legitimate run and that looked like palin thanx to krystol
krystol had the hots for palin and promised mccain funding if he picked her, they had nobody turning out for campaigning at all and palin turned that all around
the sad truth;
the mccain campaign would been an even bigger joke without palin…no kidding
GOP’s new slogan:
“Willing Suspension of Disbelief”
Disgraceful that 85 years after the Scopes trial Americans are still debating the validity of Darwin’s theory.
There are far too many constants in the universe for me to be an atheist.
But I love the arguments of fundamentalists who say that an atheist must accept the notion of God before rejecting it.
They would also say that atheists specifically reject a monotheistic notion of God, which they say is the Christian God.
I can’t be an atheist, if I were then I couldn’t believe anyone was devine and I know as a fact some people are simply devine
Fixed it.
I can show them a virus evolve before their very eyes, I can show them a fruit fly evolve inside of a week, I can show them a tree evolve with the climate
and they deny there is evolution…and why should they accept it, it is evil after all, that’s why they named it evolution, it’s evil revolving around and around
But ten years ago that movie about Darwin would have been shown. But not now…no way.
this has been fun but I have to work tomorow so will see you in the morning, possible live panera blogging if I can get up early enough
punaise @ 73
&
Eli @ 74
Youse guys is gangin’ up on muh funny bone!
Them ole double whammies is too much!
It is not fair to make others laugh so much, it addles what wits I strive to maintain and leaves me on the floor groaning with laughter.
The cats are concerned, and my daughter’s wee Yorkie-Poo is beginning to whine.
Desist!
… On second-thought, second-guessing, I guess … don’t stop!!!
Please.
DW
I should have waited for the Late Nite crowd … someone would have played Abbott to my Costello …
- I’m an atheist.
- You’re an atheist ? Really ?
- Swear to God !
- Who’s on first?
- No one can prove anything either way.
- Oh, that’s our shortstop.
I suspect that the prospect of a Beck or a Palin getting the nomination — and the collapse of such chimerae as Bobby Jindal and Mark Sanford — is what is stampeding various establishment Republicans, especially Bush and McCain folk, into putting as much institutional backing as they can muster behind Tim Pawlenty. He’ll get his clock cleaned by Obama, but at least he’ll do better than any of the teabaggers’ darlings ever could, and stemming the bleeding in ‘12 is all they can hope to do at this point.
LOL … Egg-Jackly !
It will be interesting to watch the battle between the Republican establishment and the Republican id.
And by “interesting”, I mean riotously entertaining and a little scary.
All the “we want our country back” nonsense is a lot scary.
There was a brief shining moment when Americans feared we might lose the Cold War and the practice of critical thinking became highly valued. That time has passed.
I’ve got front row seats for the Rushbo V Bennett Title fight.
… perhaps I should move back a few rows … *g*
The key to making America great again, to making it a world leader in innovation… is to make sure that only rich kids can get a good education.
Give me some Vick’s Vapor rub and I will cry tears for Republicans’s demise.
Slobber like St. Bernards do they?
Am I too late to the thread to mock ELI?
And after the Cold War was won the executives decided that they could make more money by moving their companies’ factories to other countries where the labor was cheap.
Who won the Cold War again?
Eli @ 96
The Repubicants would be mortified to hear your take them so unseriously.
They.mean.business.
And you, Eli, treat them like mere buffoons and clowns.
They will probably pout for weeks and then erupt in some new frenzy of gravitas which you will demolish with your funny-barbed stings.
They are definitely not going to like you.
And you will NEVER be asked to be a Repubilcant committee-person.
However, I am certain you will make the best of such a situation and let it little disturb your serenity.
One of the things that the alarmist articles about the craziness of the Republican Party have missed is the drop in the number of self-identified Republicans.
Brooks hasn’t a clue; he is an elitist who likes to (in the attitude of his world) go slumming in analysis of the ordinary middle class and working class “real America”. Sometimes this blind squirrel randomly finds a nut.
The right-wing talk shock jocks can’t drive election results (yet) because there was in 2008 still a large number (more than half) country club Republicans supporting John McCain. They will reel the GOP in before the 2010 elections.
The birthers and deathers aren’t naturally that way but have been created through clever astroturfing and media attention that plays to their suspicion of conspiracy, to their racism, to their moralistic sanctimony, and to their fear of change–their fear of any change.
While a poll might find that almost half of Republican assert that Obama is not a legitimate president (that is the subtext of birtherism), the birth certificate nonsense is only a cover. Bill Clinton on day 1 of his presidency was also seen to not be legitimate, but for a different reason–he didn’t get over 50% of the vote. But the real reason underlying the bullcrap is that the conservative ideology cannot allow the American people to actually elect someone who is not conservative; it betrays the notion that they have been the “silent majority”. Now, they have been proved not to be the majority at all — and neither moral nor silent. It is the painful collapse of an illusion, one that the livelihoods of the media shock jocks depend on.
Despite appearances to the contrary, Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, O’Reilly, and their ilk are rapidly becoming irrelevant in American media and politics. Their only hope is to stop the Obama administration for accomplishing its agenda–corporatist or progressive, it doesn’t matter to them. They gained influence by bringing Clinton to impeachment and Bush to power; that influence has peaked even though the media audience for FoxNews hasn’t.
And the total number of teabaggers totals no more than 700,000 if all they could get to DC was 70,000 even with FoxNews pushing it for weeks and stage managing the event. An audience of 3 million; action by 70,000. Does that not tell where they are? Yeah, almost 50% say something to some pollster, but the actual belief in that is an inch deep. Poll the next outrageous assertion and the same folks will be there.
It’s a long way to 2012. And the GOP nominee will not be those folks who are the conventional wisdom at the moment, assuming there still is a GOP to nominate someone. Palin will have flamed out, her support moving to Huckabee. Romney will try again to outdo daddy. Eric Cantor will make his first exploration. And there will be a bunch of dark horses, one of whom might rise as rapidly as did Bill Clinton.
LOL … you read that, huh ?
I think virtually all Biblical scholars would agree that the Bible is mostly allegorical. The belief that every word in the Bible (including the story of Creation) is literally true is so preposterous it is embarrassing that so many Americans still subscribe to the notion.
And health care.
Just bear in mind that I’m just talking about the crazies’ influence amongst Republicans, not the nation at large. The Republican Party is blowing off its outer layers and collapsing into a very white dwarf.
I may have to start meditating or something, but I’m pretty sure I’ll be okay.
He’s trying to. I had the pleasure of listening to Beck a couple of weeks ago, and he was bashing the republicans as much as the democrats.
He is going to run a third party, I think.
That would be awesome. Even more awesome if he could recruit a bunch of his friends to run under the Insane Crybaby banner in some close congressional races too.
Be great if he did start a third party, since it would only peel votes away from the GOP, which is why I am confident that if he ever runs for anything it will be as a Republican.
White dwarf with very few sunspots.
Did someone say ‘Meditation” ?!!
But a lot of flares.
Gregg Levine is upstairs!
Late Night: Vertebrates on Parade
One of my favorite albums, BTW.
the republican id.
perfect!
One of my faves as well … what a master !
Yep. Coltrane’s ‘65-’66 work was incredible, almost as if he knew his time was short.
My goodness, you people are very angry.
So, you don’t like Sarah Palin, do you not recall that neither she nor McCain was elected? And despite your most heartfelt wishes, she will not be the Republican nominee in 2012.
I have to ask, why do you hate her so much then? You don’t like women whose belief systems differ from yours? Or is it that you couldn’t stand someone running for high public office against whom one might level the same criticisms that many had of Obama – inexperienced, more than a bit vapid, values and political ideology that differ from yours? Remember the bumper sticker, hatred is not a family value – or does that only apply to those who disagree with you?
You also do yourself and whatever cause or set of causes you claim to believe in a true disservice by the simple vitriolic vilification of the Republicans and those on the right. Despite what you might believe, there are many on the right who would disagree with you, not because they are heinous monsters or “fucking idiots,” but rather because they reach quite different, but equally well thought out, conclusions on these matters than you do.
It’s funny. Leftists are far more absolutist than any of those in the mainstream that I see in the Republican party. Does it not bother you to be so ridiculously intolerant and doctrinaire? You all sound like a bunch of southern baptist ministers who can tolerate no legitimate disagreement with your beliefs. What next, no dancing?
Why dont you go burn a bunch of Sarah Palin’s books in a bonfire? I’m sure her publisher would appreciate it.
Maybe they’re eating the Vapo-rub.
Brooks, like a lot of us, may sense that Teabagger- and talk radio-inspired violence is on the way, and wants to be able to say he had nothing to do with it when it happens.
Teabagger and radio inspired violence? Who are you? Nancy Pelosi?
Is that going to be your justification for shutting down legitimate opposition and free speech?
The problem is this:
The combination of those two facts makes it a better than 50-50 chance that within the next two decades will have a president who is crazier than George W. Bush.
Shutting down opposition is (thankfully) impossible, but co-opting it is not.
IMHO, this nation badly needs a progressive party. Obama’s dems have become a refuge for former Republicans who are not totally insane, and they’ve taken over.
So far as I can tell, Obama is well to the right of say Eisenhower.
Bush was/is crazy? Oh, come now – Obama proved how delusional he was to think that he could overhaul the medical system in this country without actually understanding it.
Let’s even say that he would have come to understand it, what’s wrong with leading with an incremental approach? He could have demonstrated that he could make good policy and get “buy-in” from those who have, actually, greater numbers than leftists on this topic.
You know, maybe, just maybe, don’t ask, don’t tell is not the right policy now. It was one of the best policies, in my view, that Bill Clinton ever made. I know that it even changed my perspective – i.e. liberalized – my views relating to gays.
Obama to the right of, say, Eisenhower? Explain that statement. I have to hear this. Provide examples, please.