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Heckuva job, W.The top American commander in Iraq said Thursday it is unlikely the U.S. can declare victory by the time forces leave at the end of 2011.
"I’m not sure we will ever see anyone declare victory in Iraq, because first off, I’m not sure we’ll know for 10 years or five years," Army Gen. Ray Odierno told reporters at a Pentagon briefing.
Clearly, Ordierno hasn’t been paying attention.
Sarah Palin, 9/08:
Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, describing the need for more troops in Afghanistan, said the United States has achieved "victory" in Iraq.
Hugh Hewitt, 6/09:
"The Surge Worked: Victory in Iraq"
Michael Yon, 11/08:
"The war is over and we won."
Gateway Putz, 11/08:
We won. The Iraq War is over. I declare November 22, 2008 to be "Victory in Iraq Day."
Glenn Reynolds, 12/08:
VICTORY LAP? Bush is in Iraq.
Confederate Yankee, 11/08:
We can declare victory because President Bush wouldn’t quit on his troops.
Dana Perino, 11/08:
We believe that the conditions are such now that we are able to celebrate the victory that we’ve had so far…
Bill Kristol, 12/08:
“We’ve won the war."
The General is obviously suffering from BDS and is watching too much MSNBC.
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Seems symmetrical. The U.S. never declares war anymore, so of course the U.S. can’t declare peace.
Truth I like it!
This news is so bad it could make Glenn Beck cry. And here’s how he does it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj4I2f0ZO6g
BT thats the picture of Bush that got Tweety all hot and flustered about our Manly draft dodging Cheerleader President?
aw c’mon BT, Starburst boy is gonna feel slighted, he was out in front on this “Quiet Victory”
Wasn’t there supposed to be something like guideposts or something? Wasn’t there a political component to them? And these where accomplished when?
Nice list BT its good to see a list of the GOPers being wrong about the war.
Benchmarks and no most of them were not accomplished.
So what happens to the huge, ostentatious US embassy complex that was constructed in Baghdad?
The problem is that the rethugs have taken their victory lap. When the utter failure there becomes apparent it will be blamed on Obama.
Video of Glen Beck’s assistant putting Vics under his eyes so he can cry on cue the crying gives him ratings and convinces the lizard brains he is Real. Very Nice Catch ShotoJamf:)
Wow. I wonder what the price of Odierno speaking the truth will be? I’m sure that by later this afternoon all the Faux-wingers will be all over him as a defeatist… as their heads explode. I wonder how Petraeus is viewing this… I doubt Odierno went public with out a long, and soulsearching discussion with Petraeus about the merits of making this viewpoint “official”.
Other view… this now lets Obama move more resources to Afghanistan with an unofficial blessing of the DoD, because it’s already a “Lost Cause” in Mess O’Potamia, why not redeploy to the Afghan theater?
Agreed and the longer he stays the more blame goes to him. Still if he gets out now only Michelle Malkin would blame him.
Lets not forget John McShame.
Thanks. I’m hoping it goes viral.
So what happens to the huge, ostentatious US embassy complex that was constructed in Baghdad?
I’m thinking it would make a hell of a nice Holiday Inn Express.
Odierno will be spared their wrath – it will be all about Obama taking so much off the table and not listening to his generals
Turn it into a school, a normal one that teaches children in a manner they deserve.
ok – but can they keep the breakfast bar?
Didn’t John have a plan to win the war? Why isn’t he talking up his plan anymore Bwahahaha
The GOP lost Gen Ordierno the commander on the ground Obama and the Dems now have all the political cover they need to end the war why the Commander on the ground the guy Bush listens to says so!
Time to say If you vote GOP you vote for more war in Iraq and Afghanistan but no Healthcare for America!
ship books not bombs and we really win. NeoConnies are exempt from this constructive talk, to them nothing short of total evisceration is acceptable.
are we still paying Sunni’s to not fight?
What happened to its predecessor in Honduras?
The Reichwingers will say that PBO snatched defeat from the jaws of victory … after all, the war was winnable while Dubya was POTUS.
Actually, they’re goalposts. And they’ve been moved all the way to Dubai. (;>
Was there any real plan other than bomb, bomb, bomb Iran that he articulated? Beyond that it was smoke and mirrors.
Time to tell the GOP the rich will pay for the wars and if the GOP wants to keep fighting the wars they must get 90% of their members to vote to raise taxes to pay for the wars.
Yeah … with Shares in Lehman Bros. … they’re gonna be pissed when they find out !
Everything but the cinnamon roll-that be mine
Oh my we are already stealing their candy.
No plan details was ever mentioned that I heard
I thought that was to be taken over by the Iraqiis but that they only took on a few.
I bet no mention will ever be made of them in the Bush Library.
Sarah Palin, 9/08:
Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, describing the need for more troops in Afghanistan, said the United States has achieved ”victory” in Iraq.
How can we have had victory then state that her son was in a war zone?
I object to being exposed to that picture again. I do not want to see the outline of Bush’s package. Period. Blergh.
Seconded!
How can we have had victory then state that her son was in a war zone?
The Guv always was short on facts and long on sophistry….
Odierno is engaging in some pre-emptive CYA. Besides it isn’t clear that US forces will really be out of Iraq by the end of 2011. They may simply be renamed “trainers.”
I bet no mention will ever be made of them in the Bush Library.
I’m still trying to figure out what *will* be mentioned in Bush Library.
P.S. If and when that joke-house ever opens, I think that all patrons should be able to select a Repub or a Dem as their tour-guide.
Hugh from Hugh list or EW would be great guides!
Hugh’s List should certainly be in the Library !
Agreed that would blow some GOP minds if we insist that the library tell the truth I wonder if there will be a war crimes section?
Maybe we could sneak Hugh’s List into Bush’s Lie-brary …
Speaking of Hugh Hewitt
This week’s your lucky Sunday
CSPAN’s having him live on-air on In Depth series. Three hours of HH with calls from you, his true fan:
They’ve not only not declared war, they never provided a legitimate reason to attack and occupy Iraq. The thing about not declaring war is that it’s an out for any charges of war crimes. The character of this particular assault is that it was gleefully entered into as a pre-emptive attack. That is to say, the party attacked never intimated, mobilized nor engaged in war on U.S. assets anywhere in the world.
Betcha the aforementioned picture will turn up at the lie-berry.
Different Hugh
But, but, we already won…. mission accomplished!!!
Jon Walker has a new post up: “Rockefeller Explains Why He Fights”
Oh, I wasn’t referring to our Hugh
but
Thank you General; You are the only voice of reason we have heard come from the Pentagon that is still there after the Cheney presidency. I suspect that worries you at times?
It’s so funny how this picture is perceived in so many different ways. Some would say The Chimpinator looks like a strong leader. The other 99% would say he looks like a fool with his package on display. Ha Ha Chimpinator. The Retard President. Derp Derp
Home from work, where I am free to comment. So, late to this important post.
My response: There is nothing to “win.” You can’t win an occupation. You know what winning for the Iraqi people would be? For us to pull everyone out and just go home.