So, earlier, a crazy right-wing person posted something especially crazy and right-wing at NewsMax, which is saying something, because News Max is a site that solely exists so that crazy right-wingers can post crazy right-wing crap on the Internet — crazy right-wing crap like, oh, this (an example chosen more or less at random). But this particular earlier right-wing crap managed to Cross a Line by suggesting the American Military might just take it into their heads to politely and peaceably stage a coup and depose the president on the grounds that he is an evildoer bent on establishing a Marxist Dictatorship in the United States of America.
To be sure, the tone of the column is more sorrow than anger: oh nuts it’s such a drag that we have to get the military involved, but goshdarn it, this Obama fellow is a Marxist Fascist, so whatareyougonnado. Not that this sort of distancing was able to keep the column from getting deep-sixed. Nor was it able to prevent Shocked, Shocked conservative bloggers from talking about how kooky and out-of bounds such a column is, because that’s not how we do it in this country, buster, where we have elections!
Well, fair enough. I guess. But then, well, I rather wonder why exactly they might be taking this sort of reasonable line, that elections have consequences, etc. For instance, the Confederate Yankee goober informs us that "we are a nation of laws, not a nation of mob rule and coups by military strongmen." Good to know. But then, those of us with memories that stretch back all the way to last spring remember that the Confederate Yankee goober was saying stuff like this, about how when the black guy got elected he was gonna take yer gunz:
As severe the rush is now, it would be even worse if more Americans knew of Obama’s attempt to corrupt Constitutional scholarship while at the anti-gun Joyce Foundation. Barack Obama is a gun-banner at heart, and there is every reason for Americans to doubt his campaign’s more moderate rhetoric when compared to his actual record.
Buy guns, America. It’s good for the economy, good for the development of our nation’s moral character, and our last bulwark against tyranny.
So, clearly, for the Goober, an armed uprising against the liar-in-chief is something all good, decent Americans ought to be contemplating. Indeed, the Goober believes all good Americans should be buying guns in order to forcibly resist the policies of the elected president.
Maybe it’s just me, but the peaceable military coup idea sounds less messy, with a lower body count than this "let’s pretend we’re Liberia!" fantasy. Why not go for it?
Because, you know, you have to ask, what’s the problem with this News Max scenario (which is not the first of its genre, by any means), if the general consensus of the online right is, in fact, that Obama is about to impose the dictatorship of the proletariat? That he is, you know, not going to do any such thing, and that these charges are more than a little hypocritical, is not my immediate point.
What I’m saying is that if the right wing really believes that Obama is as dangerous as they say he is… then logic and patriotism ought to dictate that they should be in favor of a peaceable military attempt to depose him. And to be sure, they really have said he’s just that sinister. Shit, News Max just themselves published a detailed explanation of why the Obama presidency is creating a world just as bad as the one we’d be living in if the Nazis won.
So why not a coup, if they really believe their shit? Like I said: they’re sissies.
Either that or they are willing to flirt with destroying representative democracy, but not willing to fuck Mussolini. Or something. Cowards!



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I would surmise that NewsMax (as I observed earlier when this story first broke) is starting to enjoy their new long term intimate relationship with pretty much every imaginable federal LEA. I trust that the asshat poster is enjoying his as well. Perhaps the rest of the wrongosphere is beginning to realize that elections do, in fact, have consequences, as does openly advocating the violent overthrow of the government (called sedition or treason in most quarters).
Stewart is smokin’ tonight on Dems and healthcare reform. Don’t miss it.
Well, I know I don’t know what’s happening to my country, but you know, gosh darn, this sure is exciting….Not the Eisenhower years anymore,dontchaknow? For sure. But I do get a little confused b/c I heard the early mean talking insulting Laura Ing..just this very morning talking about how weak that Ob is and how he doesn’t ever stand up for anything and everyone, the foreigners, also, all want him to be stronger….So, how can he be a dictator if he is such a weakling? /s.
I am sure someone has an answer.
Thers !
The good Doctors are present … on with the flaming, then !
Do not attempt to impose logic, consistency, or facts on wingnuts. It just confuses them and makes their heads explode.
Pansie-ass wuss girls is the term that came to my mind. And, yes, I’m doing fine tonight. Got my toadie-nails done today and all.
I think between the three of us we might mount a doctoral offense.
Was wondering…ready for the count-down? Have fun.
I suppose if you’re an armchair general, all this seditious talk makes sense; except –
WHO WILL FIGHT THE ACTUAL BATTLE? HMMM?
They’re not pussies, Thers, they’re stupid, lazy, morally disfigured, and haven’t figured out who they will get TO DO IT FOR THEM!
E-vening all.
Perhaps a little more can be done to knock some sense through the thick skulls of the wingnut aristocracy when it’s one of their mouthpieces on the chopping block. God knows that random sedition from idiots with picket signs hasn’t forced them to assume some responsibility for their crap.
Of course…but they say it all with such authority and sincere concern and pontificating hypocrisy.
It would unseemly of me to point out that
everyone’s favorite sensible centrist Lanny Davis has a column at
FloNewsmax.Knocking sense into wingnut skulls is a sisyphian task.
It just occurred to me about these Randian asses:
John Galt was neither a General, nor a soldier. He did withdraw from society though. So retreat was in his nature.
Is it Thersday already? I’ll go read the post and watch the video to find out. I was going to head to bed early, but there may be too much fun to be missed. I’ll check it out to see.
Gnome !
We’re fired up and ready to go ! *g*
I got a JD, kin I play?
Still, even Sisyphus had to do something to get his rocks off.
All is welcome!
LOL!
I switched with watertiger. She said she’d beat me up if I didn’t take Weds so she could have Thurs. She’s mean!
Even a JD??? What next, she asked.
Oh, yes. The list is so long, I’ve totally crossed off some projects. Save them for Christmas. Ah, jeez, it’s a pain to realize you’ve raised a girl who’s having such a corporate wedding. She’s turned into Bridezilla. I’m hiding tonight. But, yes, let the countdown begin. I think a cup of tea is in order for me.
We even accept Dr.s of Divinity (or is that Divine Drs.?).
707 !!!
Reserve your strength. Sounds like you are going to need it.
I knew that. I just thought we had changed the names of the week to accomodate you.
Just being accepted is Divine
Shit, the U.S. has overthrown 14 other legitimate regimes. Don’t know why the U.S. one should be exempt.
We haven’t, yet. We should stage a coup!
Thanks, D. I’m trying to pretend this is just a vacation at the beach. I’ve even saved hemming my outfit for “up there”. It’ll give me an excuse to stay in my room, on the balcony. Taking a good book. Gotta fly under the radar, I think. Gonna give it my best, calmest shot.
Apparently because even the wingnuts don’t have the fucking nerve.
Somewhere I have the list of the fifty something US military interventions in Latin America during the 20th century. Overthrowing governments (especially democratically elected ones) is what we do best.
Does that explain why some other folks don’t like us? Well, we’ll show ‘em (that’s how people from TX talk…like W)
They’re jousting at windmills. If they weren’t in cloud cuckoo land, they would’ve realized the left is like totally pissed off with Obama for being Hillary in drag and dead butch.
Is it a far away location?
Don’t be too sure, at least not yet.
Nah, go for that shot of tequilla.
And Thers, why is this crap not being prosecuted for treason? Or is it?
We’re also very good at running elections in Florida.
If they ever realized that, they would all suddenly become rabid Obama supporters, just because it would piss the liberals off.
Did anybody else see the newsworthy assertion of Derbyshit today that women should not be able to vote since they tend to lean to the left?
Or, cage a stew. I know, I don’t know what that means, either.
Now now now. Kinzer in Overthrow is far more discriminating than you. He identifies only 14 in 100 years, vs. your 50. Difference (iirc) is that for Kinzer, U.S. had to play decisive role. So discriminating is he.
Santa Barbara is 1 1/2 miles north of where I am.
No but I did read, per Phyllis, I think, that feminism destroyed the country.
They Might Be Giants.
I did and thought it rather outstandingly incoherent, even by his lofty standards.
Blowback, perhaps? Especially the part about what the U.S.ians don’t know about what their govt does, so are blown away (as in 9/11) when U.S. targets fight back?
Underestimate wingnut nerve at your peril.
The Secret Service is investigating … let’s hope they make an example of this guy …
We *are* talking about the 101st Keyboard Commandos, after all.
I did, and I think you commented on that. (Can’t keep track of all the bs and resulting comments) Back to the 50’s?
Fuck me. Hours, not miles.
Overthrowing the Bush admin in 2008 is prolly why all those righties are pissed.
Damn those elections!
Yes, and I’m still trying to wash the taste of vomit from my mouth. No surprise that Derbyshire’s rationale was insufferably chauvinistic, of course. You’d think a look at the women in any crowd of teabaggers would disabuse him of his self-absorbed inanity, but there’s nothing like a wingnut when it comes to holding on to stupid ideas like his “brain” was coated in fucking Krazy Glue.
Or the 82nd Chairborne.
Yes. P.S. in thingprogress sez Coulter agrees.
Hard to have a comback for such an antidiluvian way of looking at the world, but I guess with all the racism that’s abounding, extreme sexism would have to be next.
Don’t hold your breath.
It is not their nerve, but rather their crazy that you have to look out for. None of these bloviators will ever actually do anything. They are all far too lazy and cowardly to act. They may well inspire and inflame one of their more unhinged fellow travelers, however (Hello, Timothy!).
Do they all look like Liz Cheney?
OK if you are tired of hearing about Melanie Sloan raise your hand. I had to miss Jon Stewart to watch Melanie on Rachel’s show. I was critical of CREW because they wanted to use the Mann Act against Eliot Spitzer and put him in prison for 20 years. For Diaper Dave Vitter CREW wanted an investigation.
But mow CREW wants to file a complaint to the LA Bar about Vitter. I am not taking credit. But FDL gets credit for showcasing Mike Ross’s sweetheart pharmacy deal. Then CREW glommed onto that.
But what makes me mad is Melanie talked about ACORN and said “Its conduct was indefensible.” That is not true ACORN is great. Should I do a diary?
Because it’s all play-acting.
Good question. Anyone ever seen Derbyshire and Liz in the same place…?
… for hours ?
might need some v*agra … *g*
More like Dick.
Oh, and, friends, can I be honest with you? After working out for 6 months and finding the perfect outfit…I tripped getting out of the car on Saturday afternoon. Fell flat on my face. I’ve got a gorgeous shiner on one eye. Purple like a bad shadow job. So, I’ve been playing with make up and bought a big pair of sunglasses. I’ll be the MOB, in cognito. I joked to my husband that it was the universe giving me a lesson.
The Tea Baggers have a lot of racist and anti government signs at their rallies I wonder if the FBI is looking at their donors?
I wonder if Newsmax’s advertisers? Donors what ever are getting looked at?
We stop the GOP when we stop the money.
My mama used to say:
“if you don’t stop whining, I’ll give you somethin’ to whine about.”
Coulter has evidently espoused the same thing. What I am surprised at is that they don’t advocate slavery or repealing the Civil Rights Act. There is a group that more reliably votes D.
Fuck me. Hours, not miles.
Long time, not long distance?
Sorry…
Yep, more examples of teh stoopid … as if they really need to hasten their own destruction.
I wish it was. What they are doing is engaging in incitement, stirring up the more radical and unhinged elements to acts of insanely stupid violence. And it is deliberate. They just don’t want to be called out on it or held accountable.
My mom said the same thing, only she used the word “crying”. Lovely. I never said that kind of stuff to my kids. It’s a harsh life/world. It just is.
Perfect…I was just trying to think what it is about those women…Laura Ing, Coulter, Tammy Bruce (now Dick)…that makes them so mean. Laura actually censored herself the other day for a tacky remark..she said, “O, that was mean…” Right…’cause she always is!!
Bwahahaha …
Actually…
ok. nerve by proxy.
These red-state assholes want a second civil war. So, bring their sorry asses on. They’ve been spoiling for this for 150 years; let’s get it over with.
Where’s William Tecumseh Sherman now that we need him?
Eeep … find some Bach Rescue Cream and apply it 3-4 times a day … works like magic !
Ah, a new, improved Businessman’s Putsch, eh?
Yeah, I could see a buch of Tighty Righties jerking themselves into a frenzy over that, especially if it involves ‘putting someone in their place‘ for dessert.
The effete Village variants of the species will all over that like dogs on cheap meat.
;>)
Sure, but what I meant was the TIDOS class of people are playacting, though they don’t really know it. That they’re also inciting, they deliberately fail to understand…
Old Prescott Bush was part of that IIRC.
Oh Good. Derbyshit did suggest that a case could be made for repealing the voting rights act as well. Now I don’t feel so singled out.
I’ve been using vitamin e and tea bags. Shit, we leave in the morning. Just another excuse to hide on the patio. And, long walks on the beach at sunset, holding hands with the mister. I’ve been out shopping, getting all kinds of last minute things, and know one’s said a word. Whatever. But, don’t you think that it is kind of funny? Oh, the vanity!
Oops. Didn’t refresh in time to see you had beat me to it.
So then we must hold them accountable the next time a winger shoots someone we bring up everything the GOP talking heads have said about Birther, Death Panels, Mexicans spread leprosy (had to throw that in), Obama wants to take away my guns, Secret Muslim, Military Coups and we point out with all these lies being said it is no wonder there are shootings.
Then we call out every GOP talking head to prove what they have said show quotes, law whatever.
If they can’t prove it we demand they get fired.
Free speech is one thing a broadcast license for tv is given in exchange for furthering the public good like news reports that are not lies and broadcasting tornado warnings.
There was a time when I mostly believed that Pres. Obama could do somethings to bring us together. I am still proud that we could arrive at electing a Black man in this country..
You heard it live…”you shouldn’t try to force people to be good,” so let’s go back to segregated toilets. Yeah, that’s a real forward march there, Derbyshite.
In the case TIDOS Wankee, I will concede that he (and the others in his class) really are too fucking stupid to realize what they are doing. The NewsMax wanker, the Faux Spews bloviators, and the hate radio jocks, however, know exactly what they are doing.
Good thinking. Let’s repeal the ten commandments.
{{{{{ demi }}}}}
It’ll be great fun !
Egad, that’s a bummer. Condolences to hubby too. People jump to conclusions that really suck when you didn’t do anything wrong.
Hope everything goes splendidly though, congratulations to your entire family on the impending nuptials.
My mom used to say that I should use my head for something besides a hat rack…
And now for me mostly dissolution….
DB !
And not saying “you lie” to a President speaking to a joint session. Courtesy? Respect?
I just sent Pelosi the following letter, more upset than I thought…
Just curious, do nude beach weddings include a dress rehearsal?
Why stop there? Repeal religion generally (no offense Rev.).
Yes – however, everyone was so palsy-walsy that nothing ever came of it despite all the red flags.
Taking that as encouragement, (much like a psychotic killer takes an unlocked door as encouragement to come on in and depredate) they moved on to people who really got things done. After that it became somewhat of a family tradition, yes?
;>)
I know it. GoodMrsPuma’s doctor gave me a stern warning about a black eye a couple of years back (no, it wasn’t me).
That has a familiar ring :)
Jeebus, I miss Christopher Hitchens …
What should we do about Kant’s Categorical Imperative?
Ooh, thanks, hon. I actually thought about saying, Oh, I mouthed off to him, again. He’s mister mellow cool, though, they’d believe I mouthed off, but not the implied result.
Thank you Goddess for coverup makeup. And, sunglasses. And, lessons.
You are breaking apart? You sure you are not merely disillusioned?
OK, I got a big day tomorra, must crash. Carry on with the treason!
Thanks…none taken;)
You will be lovely…”they” will be looking at the bride…not to worry.
[note to self - one can’t multi-blog while there’s a Thers thread happening at FDL. The thread will run at relative warp speed in blog-time. Remember!]
Yeah, those Bushes always get crushes on the manly men of action.
A well written polite letter scares the likes of Harry more than the blogs do. Us he dismisses without a second thought but the thought of losing Moderate Dems that is scary to Harry.
Why?
Yes, there is that – although whether it portends a optimistic possibility of change in spite of crude and extreme resistance, or is just another falsehood to keep the rabble in line as the combines come in for the kill is debatable.
Night!
What has Chris been doing he’s been quiet lately sobering up perhaps?
And make same-sex marriage mandatory. Keep it that way until the outcry peaks and then offer the alternative of only allowing consenting same-sex couples to marry. That should tip the balance.
Don’t remind me!
And with that I am going to toddle off as well. Can’t wait to see what
excrementexcitement tomorrow brings.Good lord, a Canadian – hide the silverware and shave the legs!
;>)
Hola, Petro.
My mind feels as though it is breaking apart trying to wrap itself around the stupid going around at present.
Well, I’m marching on Washington tomorrow, so I’d better get some sleep. Peace out, y’all!
g’nite
g’nite, EDP
Well said….we can hope.
Night folks…my lovely cat is sound asleep, so time to turn off the lights;))
As someone who grew up with Jim Crow and segregation, it really is a huge step forward, and one even six months before the election I did not think we were ready to take. There is, however, a very long way to go and the resistance will only get stiffer.
How Bush is nolonger President:)
A spiritual relationship with the Force, the way, the Universe, without the religious dogma, and accompanying BS. What do you think? Is it possible?
Ouch! Think of it this way: You will be the one with the gorgeous outfit, the trim bod and the alluring sunglasses.
Night.
Night. March proudly.
Trying to figure out what these people are and what they’re really doing and why they don’t seem to be doing now what they told us for years they’d do if we helped get them elected…
Wait. You said Reid dismissed bloggers and listens to moderate types. Which one did I sound like in my letter to him?
Night, Rev.
Some days it seems it doesn’t matter.
How often do you aim for him?
I agree with you. If the dems can’t perform, we’ll need to make a mass exodus and become independents.
I’m thinking Almost Famous. Ha. (thanks.)
Goodnight to you and kitty.
I quit even caring long ago. I am connected to my people and my land in very immediate and material ways. I really do not need god when I hike in the mountains or am catching trout in our beautiful rivers. It is enough for me.
Because he’s not as batshit crazy as Derbyshite … I forgot the snark tag @ 105
Same sex, and naked. Manditory. The divorce lawyers would revolt.
I Kant answer that.
LOL … how’s the West Coast ?
And what are you throwing (or shooting)?
He did represent some sort of sanity…could make semi-sense.
Sounds good to me.
ratfood!
I found this recipe and thought perhaps if you were tired of the strawberry shortcake, you and Bob might enjoy Strawberry Cream Cupcakes
.
g’nite thersdyWensdy
LOL !!!
Reasonable people might disagree. But tbs, Hitchens does make sense on some subjects, Derbyshire not so much. Whadda choice.
you a fly fisherman?
darkblack doesn’t live there anymore, Petro…If Vancouver tumbled into the Georgia Strait tomorrow it wouldn’t take me with it. The best view was in the rear view.
;>)
Oh my, thanks! Sweet dreams tonight.
Nope. Spin cast only and this is the best time of the year. With cooling temperatures the trout are more lively and fight more. The fly hatches are dropping off, so they are feeding more down below where I can catch them. Found a sweet hole on Sunday where I caught six or seven (mostly small) in a little over a half hour. Every time I cast.
Very sad, but too true. I never thought I’d seriously consider leaving the Democratic Party.
Hey, eCAHN, just looked over at FDL’s “Stand by Alan Grayson.” There are 111 supporters! Nice.
Is that anything like a pocket fisherman?
It’s close.
Carry on, Pups. I might pop in this weekend, as we are taking the lap tops. Scarey, huh?
Kind of inbetween bloggers and moderate which is good that should scare Harry.
You’re thinking of a different kind of ‘fly.’
;-)
Object lesson for the prez too: Don’t sacrifice your bargaining chip.
Later Demi
Night, demi, enjoy the festivities. Think I will toddle off as well. Silly young minds just won’t corrupt themselves. Take care all.
Amigo!
Excellent. I’m off to beddy bye. Nite all.
Oh shit, the incompetence of the Democratic leadership has driven me into the arms of bloggers, and has even turned me into one… kind of. Ahhh…
Nite eCAHN
To use ’sissies’ in a deragitory manner os politically incorrect.
_these_ are pj bottoms!
Whoops, I might have said too much…
G’nite DrDick.
Have a great time, Demi.
G’nite everyone !
Yep, giving it all away at the outset wasn’t very bright.
Have a great time, demi and please save me some cake if you can…
Joining the exodus, goodnight to all.
what trout predominates?
the father was a fly fisherman, is why I asked.
See that is the exact story line if we can get it into the media that would scare Harry, the Blue Dogs and the GOP.
What percentage of Dems are Lefties first lets define Lefty.
Next have your political views moved Right or Left under Bush? Have your political views moved Right or Left under Obama?
I think if we can get some polling the results will be Great!
Never mind the total percentage of Dem voters how many Dem voters could be called Ultra Dems or Lefties?
And are we growing as a political movement?
LOL!!
Nite Petro
adios demita
Best Wishes (((demi)))
BEST, demi !
and then good morning!
(psst… HB Margot ;)
Rainbow, but we also have cutthroats, browns, brookies, and bull trout, though I have never even seen one of the latter, which are seriously threatened (it is illegal to keep them or cutthroats in the rivers). Now I am off to bed.
sleep well
Good Morning Where are you at that its morning already Iraq?
Nite DrDick
g’nite!
try not to corrupt too many young minds tomorrow ;)
Nite Rat
oh my no, it’s 12:29a here (on the east coast)
But after Petro has a goodnight, I want him to have a good morning.
I thought that statement put you in a more than usually cool and damp location.
I think that Republican followers are energized by having their emotions stirred, fearing their America being overrun, hating whomever they’re directed to hate. Cluster Fox does a great job of stoking emotions and helps greatly in moving people to the right.
But most people who vote for Democrats are people who think, who want to solve real problems (rather than fake, manufactured ones), and who do not like to be bullshitted by Democratic politicians who say they want, say, REAL health care reform and then somehow, inexplicably, can’t deliver despite having super majorities.
Bs like that moves people like me to the left, not to the extreme left, but to a moderate left that appears to be to the left of the jackals in office.
(Psst Elliot;)
Reid totally does not deserve to be a Democratic Senate Majority leader if he can’t get the 60 Senators who are in the flipping majority to vote for cloture on health care reform.
It’s so f’ing pathetic.
Now I’m back to depressed… can’t escape the conclusion that they don’t WANT cloture, that they don’t want real reform. WTF?
hehe
We might not be emotional voters but we the majority of Americans are to the Left of Harry Reid. I agree we care about solving real problems.
I think in low voter interest elections we could sometimes be fooled by fake issues but with voter interest up that should not be a problem.
What vexes me is how come the GOP and Dems are missing this Karl’s “the math “ which I make fun of every chance I get is still the math of most MSM pollsters and talking heads.
They said the Public Option was dead, Jane said otherwise
They now say Dems will lose seats next election I’m doubting it unless Obama goes Right or the economy fails more.
I won’t be so upset at him for failing to get 60 votes for cloture as I would be if he fails to make them do the actually filibuster. THAT he has direct control of, and this issue deserves the real thing.
Let those that want to delay a vote on health care have to stand there for days on end, let that be the news lead for days.
Make them do the deed Harry, or step aside.
By the math that they’re missing, do you mean the polls that say 65% of Americans want the PO and 75% of health care providers think the PO would be a good idea?
Yes!
Snap out of it!
It ain’t over til it’s over – as a wise philosopher once said.
I have seen generic R vs D polling for Congress tighening to the closest they’ve been since 2004/5 timeframe. Sorry I don’t have a link, but I’m pretty sure it was at 538.com that I read this polling.
Never underestimate the ability of the American people into being manipulated and fooled and/or just plain being stupid. How else can one explain GWB getting re-elected?
And, if you combine the tightening of the polls with the fact that we, on this side, (at least me and I’m sure others too), aren’t going to be inclined to lend a lot of support to the D’s if they can’t do real health care reform, I don’t think a repeat of 1994 is out of the question. I don’t think it’s out of the question at all.
My understanding is that they don’t really have to do that any more. There once was a time when Senators had to stand up there and talk and talk or read whatever to block a bill from coming to an up-or-down vote.
But I think rules for a filibuster have been changed almost so that now it’s the opposite, that if there aren’t 60 votes to stop debate and move to a vote on the floor, the committees just stop discussing whatever bill and various amendments and the thing just dies.
That’s what happened in ‘94 with Clinton’s effort for health care reform that ended by producing nothing, no?
Tonight Michael Moore (was it on Tweety’s show?) said he was gonna do what it takes to primary any opponent to the public option. Harry Reid ain’t sitting pretty.
Yesterday, I pointed out that Grassley seemed to be deliberately not getting it, i.e. the obvious rightness of Schumer’s argument and the obvious stupidity of his own.
It’s not the Democrats, Blue Dogs, and Republicans are missing the math.
It’s that they don’t want to see it, or are being paid off not to see it, or I don’t know.
Elliott’s right. I need to snap out of this…
I totally can’t wait for Michael Moore’s movie to come out!
Didn’t Reid become leader because Daschle, then majority leader, lost his seat in Nov 2002. That was the first time a leader of either party in the Senate lost his bid for re-election!
I think the tightening in the polls is because the Dems are waffling on healthcare not ending the wars now etc by not acting on these issues they are going Right on these issues which mean yes we will lose.
But lets not let Rahm try and place the blame on us.
I do think voters are moving Left of Obama. I do think we can win big if Obama moves Left. Still the next election is a non presidential election which the pollsters say will mean low turnout.
And they are right for us it will be low turnout maybe, but for African American voters the first election after we get our First African American President I expect there to still be record turnout.
Hi everyone. Just running through tonight. Nice post… my favorite line:
HE’S GONNA TAKE YER GUNZ!
Don’t get sick!
In that case the Republicans targeted him, quite rude in Capitol politics.
Michael Moore may save this nation.
Great point and Daschle even more than Harry gave Bush everything he wanted. I see a pattern here with Harry’s polling suggesting he is following the same path going Right can get even a Senate leader from a small state unelected.
Small states population wise benefit more from pork per capita which makes being able to bring in the Pork better for them.
Are voters moving left of him, or is Obama moving right of them?
See this is why we need polling:)
True, but in this case Democrats from across the country are targetting Democrats like Reid who are failures. Reid’s failure will deflate all energy in the Democratic base. Daschle lost because he got too comfortable and the Republicans outflanked him. Reid will lose because he’s not uncomfortable enough, and Democrats will work to take him down.
In my case, I’d say I’m moving left BECAUSE he’s moving right. He’s moving to the center because he thinks that’s the way to win in 2012. But he should be more worried about 2010 and losing all the energy of the millions of supporters who worked their asses off to get him elected. In other words, he should be thinking like Bush, i.e. ABOUT HIS BASE RATHER THAN ABOUT THE MIDDLE.
Eureka Springs is upstairs with
Fifty Ways To Pull A Trigger
Yeah, cause the corporations are all corporationie. S
If we are expecting Micheal Moore to save the nation— then God help us all! The only thing that can do any good right now is harassing the hell out of every Democrat in power and letting them know that if they don’t get behind a public option, then they are fired! It doesn’t matter how much insurance lobbyist’s money they have socked away if WE all let them know we will NOT vote for them if they in ANY WAY derail a public option.
Dear Senator
I for one, have had enough of all the reasoning and negotiating with Rethugs and Insurance and Pharma. Either you will vote for a REAL Public Option or you will not and if you will not then… Well, you’re fired. I’ll vote for Palin in 2012 just to spite you if you F*%* this up.
Dammed Straight and if we get polls to prove that we can laugh at Rahm and the TV talking heads who are pushing Obama to the Center.
Well. that approach is new to me!
I’m off to bed. Night all!
It’s ironic in the obscene that the very same people who claim to be such defenders of the Constitution are so anxious to flaunt it by encouraging a coup d’etat which would effectively negate its principles — !!!!
The reichwingers who’re advocating the overthrow of the government are a bunch of spoiled brats who refuse to recognize anyone they didn’t vote for as being legitimately elected. It’s the same “massive resistance” strategy that Southern states used to block integration after Brown v. BOE — just refuse to follow the law and throw a temper tantrum any time anyone tries to make you.
As for the armed militia bullies, I hope they’re stupid enuf to try something, so they can be smacked down really hard. They’re mostly a lot of old, overweight GI Joe types who never did anything in Vietnam and claim to be hardass heroes.
If they had courage all of these people would be in Iraq and Afghanistan fighting the “islamofacists” who would be shooting back not strutting around unarmed citizens wearing guns. Today the military is begging anyone to come and join the fight but this bunch is still in the United States, just arming up. And they don’t mind one bit that there are honest to god private armies being employed by the government. They are worried about ACORN. These are not patriots, heroes or nationalists. They are something else.
You don’t need courage or brains to be scapegoats or punks keeping the real animals in power. That is what the militias are being groomed for to be patsies and new Klan posses. They are watching legislators all over the country make new places they can bring their guns and licking their lips waiting for a chance to “restore order”. These people have no interest in fighting a new Hitler over there or over here. They are waiting for him.
Oh, no you don’t.
The man’s a disaster, and even you folks are starting to recognize that. It’s not so much that he’s a Marxist, although he is — it’s that he’s never had to put his sophomoric ideology up against the real world, and when he does it blows up in his face, exactly as it ought.
At this point the only thing that would keep Obama from going down in history as the man who did his damnedest to ruin America and failed miserably out of incompetence is martyrdom. We’re not going to give you another JFK, and we aren’t going to clean up your trash for you.
Regards,
Ric