As we enter the final stretch of this battle for the soul of our nations health care, I am constantly reminded just how many triggers there are. Thought I would kick off a list this evening with a few of my least favorite triggers and ask you all to add yours in comments. I will add them to the post throughout the next 24 hours.
As always please do chime in with whatever may be on your mind tonight.
1. Mandates.
2. Join the Third Way.
3. Ask everyone to slow down and read the bill with a trigger in it.
4. Deny any and all working visitors access to care.
5. Hire Rahm Emmanuel as your COS.
6. Criticize the blogosphere for their lack of information and perspective.
7. High deductibles.
8. Cry tort reform.
9. Attack the czars.
10. To get better healthcare out comes America needs to get rid of its guns. (Senator Ensign)
11. Keep the gov’t hands off my Medicare!
12. Spend months courting Olympia Snowe.
13. Forget Ashley Baia.
14. Longing for bipartisanship
15. Look forward, not backward.
16. Don’t get sick.
17. Signing any bill labeled “health care reform” will be a great victory.
18. Propose a co-op.
19. Refuse the nuclear option.
20. Call Obama a fascist.
21. The Republicans have a number of good ideas worth considering.
22. Filibuster.
23. Let Harry Reid lead.
24. Use the abortion card.
25. 51 Votes in the Senate is BAD.
26. Passing a bill with Sen. Baucus’s name on it* is worth whatever compromises it takes to get it passed.
(*as opposed to any of the four bills with a public option that already passed out of committees)
27. Negotiate with big pharma in secret.
28. Affordability tests.
29. Give States a trigger.
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Eureka!
don’t short your insurance investments
Elliott!
What are the triggers actually proposed?
And has any trigger EVER been pulled in any legislation?
Pull my tiger!
grrowl
Criticize the blogosphere for their lack of information and perspective.
I remember you.
Those are the triggers set for the insurance companies and the like… which never get pulled.
Good one!
Hi Sunny..)
But with if someone wants to take away your trigger?
Isn’t Sen Ensign saying that American healthcare would be great if it were not for all the gun deaths?
The Fucker wants to take away our guns! Get Him!
So when is Glen Beck and Chuck Norris going to get Sen Ensign:)
I see high deductibles as a trigger. Buy insurance, but don’t dare see a doctor due to costs.
OK, how can we phrase that a bit more succinctly?
COS?
and hold that tiga!
tort reform
Chief of S***
T00bz. PlaZ. r0zors on teh android :D
Chief of staff
Yes!
Eric Cantor is a walking talking trigger…
rrrrrooooooowwwwwwWw!!!!!!11111
Be a stupid democrat. How stupid is it possible to be?
black kids on buses
“illegals” in ERs
are these triggers?
ask everyone to read the health care regulations in other countries and claim it really blows.
Oh my.. did you see the latest Mike Stark video top front page Seminal now… unreal.
Don’t pull my tiger!
whine about all the socialist czars that Bush left behind.
Well I haven’t heard the black kids meme yet, is it real?
And I already included deny visitors in the top five… but you are on the right track..)
Sen Ensign is the Only Senator on record this year who has suggested that taking away America’s guns would be for the best presumably because Sen Ensign a Republican is from the government and they know best?
The Senator is claiming that to get better healthcare out comes America needs to get rid of its guns.
The Democrats want you to keep your guns but yes they ask everyone to pitch in with more taxes to help those sick people who ned help.
Like the Good Smaritian did in the bible. Or when jesus said give up all your goods to the poor if you would be like me.
America is a Christian Country anyone who don’t like it can get the HELL OUT!
Any Questions?
oooooh, no. thanks for the tip. I’ve been out most of the evening. saw your fun post before heading off to sleepyland and couldn’t resist a few contributions. fun idea.
I have come to the conclusion that its cheaper to NOT have insurance. Get hit my a bus? Just declare Medical bankruptcy. In the meantime, why pay a premium for no service?
They don’t seem to appreciate how much money is saved through PREVENTATIVE health care.
For example, finding cancer early, or diabetes,guiding patients away from unhealthy habits, etcetra…
Simple logic, simple math.
A healthy population is a productive population.
Lions & _tigers_ & bears!
kids on the bus was a shot at Limbaugh taking another general racist shot at Obama. just stupid stuff that has nothing to do with HC and thereby becoming a major topic on rightwing media.
Or the short version the
The GOP wants to take away our guns…Get Em!
Excellent
To get better healthcare out comes America needs to get rid of its guns. (Senator Ensign)
w3rd
he’s grrrrreat! :P
LOL.. I ran across the old Paul Simon song while reading our daily threads… and the idea came to me.
Trigger (I actually visited him when he was in the Victorville Roy Rogers museum):
Trigger words for 20%ers
Get the angry masses mad at the solution v. the problem.
It’s not there.
To which I add when has any Dem ever said lets ban all guns?
Exactly.. or maybe they do realize it. That old hate the worker, keep them scared and indentured meme is a strong one among the owners in America.
I would like to see the numbers on how many patients are dropped by their insurance once they have a catastrophic illness. Its not insurance anymore, it’s a gaming theory pyramid scheme- only with people suffering and dying.
Dizzying, isn’t it?
Now we need to spread that around the MSM!
*groans*
talk about govt takeovers of the auto industry and wall street like it really happened and like they’re in the same shape as HC.
I paid half price for a broken arm this year without insurance… because any insurance i would have had.. the deductible wouldn’t have covered any of it.
gn
Water cooler post. Here.
gtg pups,
Keep the govt hands off my Medicare!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
nite
oh my
We need commercials of people with healthcare who didn’t go to the Doctor because it was still to expensive until it was to late.
Then we bring up their medical bills on the tv screen vs a French person same disease who’s Cancer, Diabetes etc was caught early.
Then we bring up the odds of both people living long lives.
Nite Dosido
I don’t want the government getting between me and my doctor and my insurance company and the medical industrial complex and Pharma.
Hey, I remember you, too.
OT but is it true they are rushing out Palin’s book before her star completely fades? blithering idiot that she is.
OK.. what about this as a trigger?
Spend months courting Olympia Snowe.
Yeah and if they won’t give us that information we accuse them of hiding it every day on the news. The same way Lou Dobbs goes after immigrants!
What an exit.. I’m adding that one.
nite dosido
Its already a best seller I read but just how much of that is bulk buys?
to quote tw3k “w3rd”
How do they face themselves in the mirror?
How do they get through the day?
Think she will go on the Daily Show?
gn
gn.
I made this on MLK Day 2008, which if people will recall, there was a very good speech…
Imagine my remorse at these 50 ways to leave yer
lovervotergood idea
Moved from Victorville? I just have to wonder why? As if anyone in CA would consider Roy Rodgers as cool.
Rancho Mirage has street names like Bob Hope, Gene Autry, Dinah Shore, etc. Talk about generational stupididy.
and getting nothing but the big chill in return
Thses red-state seditionists want a re-run of the civil war, and they’ve armed themselves for it. Bring their sorry asses on.
Well, she could do Fancy Pageant Walking…
Drugs, I imagine.
Hey Kelly… we may be writing your next song tonight. *s*
89.6%
Yikes.. though I will say if it ever happens they are going to be shocked at how many lefties are well armed.
True! Scanning the best snark even now!
89.6%
Is that the amount Palin’s ghost writer’s IQ dropped after working with her?
Got a link?
Got insurance?
nite all!
I hope she does but even Katie can trip her up so who is more softball questions than Katie?
Margotita
Happy Birthday!
Vampires have no reflection?
And let me paste the true and unrelenting words of Candidate Obama:
That is exactly what he said, and it remains exactly what I want.
Enough said.
Nite Bloom
all right, I admit it was just an incredibly educated guess.
so until we can link to my brain…
They are also gonna be surprise at how many lefties there are south of the Mason-Dixon line — present company included.
Happy Birthday Margotita:)
Well jeeez.. give me a link and I will add
Forgetting Ashley Baia as a trigger.
If we could get that real number ET would have a field day:) Hmm why don’t we demand the publisher give that number why don’t we get KO and Rachel to demand that number?
Yup.. Sure hope it doesn’t come to that… but it might.
Eloquent and emotional B.S.!
Got him elected. Won’t get him re-elected.
ES – look in my #69, and it’s the 2nd link “very good speech”
Damn straight! And where is that sorry-assed bastard’s White House on today’s debate. AFAICT, they’re supporting profits for the pharmaseuticals and the insurers, i.e., they’re pushing for the other side. Damn him.
Thank you Ellie!
U got it! *n*
Thanks.. added.
I looked up Ashley in the Google for a phone number; no answer and no response, and I don’t blame her for not answering or calling me back.
I did want to know her opinion about what was going on today, but I won’t stalk her. I don’t think anyone else should either. But I do think it was rude to use her story and we end up with the situation we have today.
Sorry – drawn away. Writing a post tying Thomas Friedman’s genuine worries about an Obama assassination attempt to Palin’s nuttiest followers.
Cakes and kittehs all around!
And i just added
Longing for bipartisanship
aaah, that needs to be reported and repeated.
I’m one of the few, but not the only, guy I know who has simultaneously been a member of the NRA and the ACLU. It seemed like a good idea, a broad interpretation of the first two ammendments, until the NRA endorsed Ronald Reagan.
Beyond rude… downright cold.
You should call her (at a decent hour *ahem*) If she would go on the record it would make a powerful and timely post, amigo.
No government-run health care systems (and don’t touch my medicare)
No socialized medicine in America (and don’t touch my medicare)
Fired up! Ready to go!
Reach across the aisle.
Look forward, not backward.
Single-payer is off the table.
Fucking A, Dood!
I would join the NRA in a heartbeat if i felt genuine threats to the 2nd were in our midst… but the NRA for now is just far to extreme for a regular membership from me. Most of all they really let all other egregious assaults on those stinking amendments go by the wayside. When the fourth weakens, imo, so weakens the 2nd in particular.
Public option would mean rationing, long lines, and more people dying while waiting in long lines.
If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
Don’t get sick.
If you do get sick, die quickly.
Hey neuro.. got it!
It’s a long long way to Bipartisanship ♫
with considerable apologies to my roots in Tipperary
Health care reform means death panels!
It was yesterday at 5:00 her time, from the number I found, if it was the right number at all.
I’m not going to call again. I just won’t force myself on her, although others might, because I’m not the only one to figure this out.
But I do think that whole speech needs to be vetted AGAIN in terms of policy then, versus positions taken today. I really do, and that is all up to Obama to defend, not some campaign worker.
Some of my best friends are “off the table.”
Adding it now.
Bipartisanship is all that really matters.
LOL!
Signing any bill labeled “health care reform” will be a great victory.
Already up there..)
Aren’t co-ops kind of a public option?
Bingo… going up now.
a revolting truth, isn’t it?
Nope.. but, imo, it’s a trigger ploy. Adding it now.
“Change you can believe in” means compromising before the battle has begun.
Edit: “Change you can believe in” means compRahmising before the battle has begun.
Republicans are so for health care reform, as long as Black Socialist-Fascist-Marxist-Nazi-terra’ists have nothing to say about it.
Hey ES
Oh… Refuse the nuclear option.
The Republicans have a number of good ideas worth considering.
Newt!
Yup.. adding: Call Obama a fascist.
Hey newtonusr..)
My father was a (non-professional) gunsmith. With him, I used to shoot on compeition rifle and pistol teams, and we reloaded our own ammunition and re-worked our own guns.
I’ve not been involved in that culture for four decades, but I recall it well.
Thats why we are here pushing :)
note edit @ 133
o rly?
Evening Miss Ellie
No Morphheus tonight?
Candidate Obama. Let’s see something…
lmao… whimper* bang head on keyboard*
adding it.
Republicans already agree with us on 80 percent of health care reform.
I hunted almost daily for several months out of the year thru most of the 90’s into the early 2’s.. So I got my refill of NRA crowd.
Hang on a moment ES – you know I lurvs ya, but I think your list needs a link for each of these “offenses” otherwise it’s just a bitch list, which is ok, but I’m thinking you’re looking for a wee bit more substance than that.
I’m going to add
Filibuster you own party
and
Place Harry Reid in the position of Senate majority leader.
The bills currently under consideration do not cover illegal aliens or abortions, so let’s put clauses in prohibiting those things.
With all of the industry’s number pumping, I doubt there is an honest number to get. Seems tinkering with amazon, book clubs, private bulk purchaers, return rights, remainders, etc is a fine and opaque art.
Hey, where’s Lieberman? He’ll fix it.
Bwahahaha! Good one! I’m sure George Will uses that one
Nope
I didn’t even invite him over
but I do have a day off tomorrow :)
True thats why if we can get the facts the story will SELL!
Oh I’m totally ok with a bitch list.. and will add any links folks provide with their suggestions. Many of these are loose triggers. /s
If the suggestion is familiar enough.. i won’t require a link.
If we can blow the scandal involved in funny book sale numbers and link Sarah to it…sweeet
of obfuscation.
Eureka !
Man, this place is having quite the party tonight …
Aliens “visitors” are in the list.. adding use the abortion card now.
Corollary to ES No. 12: Getting Olympia’s vote is worth whatever
selloutscompromises it takes to get it.Well then, I’m fine with yer bitch list too!
Here’s another:
51 Votes in the Senate is BAD.
If we can get a prosecutor to look at politicians books and bulk buys by corporations that might want favors, if we remind voters Newt left over this!
If we can shut down GOP wingnut welfare for hack talking heads EXTRA BONUS POINTS!
Happy Birthday Margot !!!
dream on TCU, wouldn’t be reported ever — and it’s no secret
As long as you’re not making fun of my “Max, I found The Space Ship” video, I’m cool with that.
yeah, now it’s up to 65 to be good, bahstards
Hey petrocelli… throw in a trigger!
Bingo… adding it.
Here it is, my friend.
I think I’m running dry
great idea for a LLN, ES
The fact the book companies won’t release the numbers or allow an independent audit of their books becomes our talking point now we just need an author to sue who would have made the NY Times best seller list but for someone else getting bulk sales.
Real writers suffer because GOP politicians are getting cash under the table laundered through the book companies.
Right. And Nebraska Senate race winners need 65% to claim their seat. Senator.
Howsabout … If you really love America, you won’t fall sick !
*warming up the gray matter*
LOL.. Blanche Lincoln has /had an amendment to exclude government funds from paying for migrant workers health care.
Glad you stopped in, neuro.
Don’t get sick! adding it now.
All he needs is E85 to get re- elected and Bush gave it to him …
ouch
but oh so right.
fixed it for ya ;)
*Help* Harry Reid … donate some KY Gel !
here’s another tune for the occasion
707 !!!
{{{ Elliott }}}
Oh! You meant THOSE aliens.
Sorry. :)
When Republicans say nonsensical, loony shit like this, it’s terrible and we should call them on it.
And when Democrats like Ben Nel…
Oh.
never mind
My earlier comment about Trigger the horse didn’t fit your list meme. Here it is:
When your horse dies, stuff it and mount it in your living room.
Or – When you die quickly, as the GOP desires, get your surviving spouse to have you stuffed, thereby pulling a “Trigger.”
Brain Bleech Brain Bleeeach Brain Blaaaah! sorry Brain Bleach.
Yeah.. the folks growing and harvesting our food.
Passing a bill with Sen. Baucus’s name on it* is worth whatever compromises it takes to get it passed.
(*as opposed to any of the four bills with a public option that already passed out of committees)
Ok… which of the two would you prefer?
To bad we don’t have a good roy rogers / trigger quote.
The illegal stuff bothers me.
I don’t think people understand about how we as a civilized nation are supposed to treat people, any person who is ill.
People from all countries deserve care, just like we do if we’re sick in their country.
I was roommates with a lady in the hospital who said her father came from Bohemia in the early 1900s to do mine work. She said she didn’t care who was who.
Great post, ET !
Once again, we need the Progressive Blogs in Alaska to shine the light on Palin and her motivations for stirring up the Hornet’s nest of racism.
#27
So, your experience is much more recent than mine. Much of mine was shooting on police pistol teams (small-town police, but cops nevertheless). It was a helluva education in how the world works. And when I went to college in a big town, I drank coffee at late nights with cops who hated “niggers”, but even more hated “stuents” — they thought I was a “worker” from the lower classes, just like them, which was so. But God how they hated students!
Erm … will a Roy Rogers joke do ?
I literally got a little nauseous when Obama slammed immigrants in his speech. Thoroughly disgusted me.
* Baucus & Grassley deserve our undying support *
LOL… maybe.
Did anyone say that?
He’s not one of us. We’ve got to get used to that.
She’s good at poking hornets’ nests with stinky sticks, isn’t she?
If we pay the insurance companies and Big Pharma and the Medical-Industrial Complex big-enough subsidies and don’t hit them with too many regulations, they will do the right thing and treat all Americans fairly.
Besides me ? Nope !
Max will be here tomorrow. I’m looking forward to meeting him.
Sarah’s MO: Holler anythin’ for a Dollar
To which, let me just rant a little –
The highway which we call I-25, running south from Ft. Collins, through Denver and to Las Cruces NM, is actually built over the Camino Real, which means Royal Highway, and is the actual ROAD built over many years, from the late 16th Century.
I personally consider it not only rude, but a sin, to call any native latino from anywhere in the Americas, Central or South, to be illegal when the trade routes have existed here for frikking CENTURIES!
Even beyond the Camino Real, , people have been moving, working, farming and trading beyond these newly imposed borders, and it’s ridiculous to ignore them, much less belittle them. THey are backbone and brothers.
In someone’s dreams, but certainly not yours.
pathetic.. the need for an enemy is so strong among authoritarians.
I am glad I didn’t hear it. This is a vast country. It’s not like we’re Monte Carlo, living on cliffs, jesus.
Absolutely. Lived in Mew Mexico and traveled 25 in CO and NM all my life.
It was so cool having him up here again last week. We’re going to get him up here in the summer for a longer, work-free trip, next time.
this time I’m really done.
I’ll check back in the morning to see what triggers I missed.
nite, all.
Oh oh oh.. I’m adding
Negotiate with big pharma in secret.
Nite neuro.. I will check in and add new entries tomorrow.
used the wrong name in the comment ET
* Give United Care a Blowjob *
Okay, Brain’s misfiring … G’nite all !
Heh… G nite Petrocelli
My folks divorced early and it was crazy from the early ’60’s to ’70s.
Went from living in WY, to back and forth in AZ and CO for many of the early years, but the teens was the shiznit.
And that was in rural AZ in the ’70s where my affinity for Native Americans, love of farming and ranches, disdain for authoritarianism was totally cinched.
It’s a pretty long story about that CO River Indian Tribes experience as a youth in the mid 70’s, but read it if you’re interested and when you have time.
So, I’m looking forward to meeitng him tomorrow. (I’ve been invited to the beer after the talk.)
How many handles do you have, TCU?
In reply to: KellyCDenver October 1st, 2009 at 12:09 am AT # 218
I have a few native American friends. Every Colombus Day we go out and celebrate the discovery of white men in America.
Max is so refreshing. He’s like the opposite of right-wing blowhards. He has tons of real information memorized. He never yells or interrupts.
Tell him “Hi” from Phil Munger and enjoy the beer. He likes good Scotch too.
I will.. thanks.
If this works out, damn, I’ll buy him one.
Well.. time for me to call it a night.
‘Good night firedogs
3 I think
LOL
Roy Rogers’ [stuffed] Trigger.
Confuse everyone with talk of exchanges.
Thanks ES. Good post.
ES, 16 & 26 appear to be dupes
Chief of Shit ideas and strategy is, I believe, the formal title.
If you want a genuinely robust public option, do what Chuck Grassley did and become a member of the predatory government’s legislative branch.
Hey ES, just circling back to see how the list grew.
I heard this morning that Orrin Hatch is going to require your list to have 70 triggers in order to be truly comprehensive and representative of what’s right for the people. /s
:P
Thanks..
Well we are over half way.. i suspect there are far more than 50. Hopefully folks will add a few more throughout the day.