Comments on: Late Late Night FDL: Against The Wind http://firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/late-late-night-fdl-against-the-wind/ Firedoglake weblog Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:16:55 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: Suzanne http://firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/late-late-night-fdl-against-the-wind/#comment-1987011 Suzanne Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:38:01 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/late-late-night-fdl-against-the-wind/#comment-1987011 <p>the white van has moved off my tubes. not sure how they zapped both the cable modem <em>and</em> the router but both died mon nite at 8:15 pacific. took 3 hours this morning along with 3 separate calls to tech support to get the new cable modem up and running.</p> <p>lurk did a great job (and i have to admit my shoes make lurk’s legs look good). i’m not going to say one word about the chocolate pudding splattered on the walls.</p> <p>thanks to everyone</p> the white van has moved off my tubes. not sure how they zapped both the cable modem and the router but both died mon nite at 8:15 pacific. took 3 hours this morning along with 3 separate calls to tech support to get the new cable modem up and running.

lurk did a great job (and i have to admit my shoes make lurk’s legs look good). i’m not going to say one word about the chocolate pudding splattered on the walls.

thanks to everyone

]]> By: MarkH http://firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/late-late-night-fdl-against-the-wind/#comment-1986778 MarkH Wed, 30 Sep 2009 08:09:11 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/late-late-night-fdl-against-the-wind/#comment-1986778 <p>Because Obama truly believes single-payer is the better way to go.<br /> If he truly believed in a public option he would fight for it and get it.</p> <p>Sorry to be brutal, but that’s the way I see it.</p> <p>OTOH, listening to the Republicans lies, distortions and stupidity makes me want to throw up. Remember the scene in Animal House…yeah, like that.<br /> No, not the dead horse, the throwing up on the Republican college dean.</p> <p>It’s not just that I disagree with their opposition to the public option. It’s that Americans, even Republicans, deserve far better representation than these idiots and liars.</p> <p>Sen. Crapo: How much will the Rockefeller amendment save?<br /> Staffer: about $400 Billion dollars.<br /> Sen. Crap: I’m against that.</p> <p>Sen. Ensign: I’m against any public option and since there’s one in the House bill I’m against all health reform because we might get the public option in the final bill and then in some future Congress it might get changed.</p> <p>Geez, I think Ensign and Conrad were working together slapping one another’s back.</p> <p>Sen. Grassley: smiling and laughing while Jay Rockefeller said there were uninsured kids in WV and people going bankrupt because of healthcare bills. The people of Iowa ought to run him out of the state, though I’d hate to see another state have to take him in.</p> <p>Sen. Kyl: But but state health insurance commissioners will make it work.<br /> Sen. Cantwell: Prices have gone up over 100% in 10 years because they didn’t.<br /> Sen. Kyl: *crickets*</p> <p>The Republicans know the public option will work and save a lot of money.<br /> They clearly oppose it because they don’t want the public to like Dems.<br /> Sen. Ensign said they didn’t want this new entitlement to have a constituency.<br /> They clearly oppose it because they would rather destroy America than to let Dems govern.</p> <p>The Republicans aren’t representing the needs of their entire states, just a handful of special interests called The Rich. Or as George W. Bush called them, the Haves-and-Have-Mores, His Base.</p> <p>OTOH, they also made it clear that anything government creates can get changed and grow into a monster which can’t be killed. I suppose they would love for their “defense” projects to be killed off because they have a constituency and cost more than originally projected. Well, they did complain Obama hasn’t really cut much of anything significant. Maybe now’s the time.</p> <p>But, on the recalcitrant Dems…wtf</p> Because Obama truly believes single-payer is the better way to go.
If he truly believed in a public option he would fight for it and get it.

Sorry to be brutal, but that’s the way I see it.

OTOH, listening to the Republicans lies, distortions and stupidity makes me want to throw up. Remember the scene in Animal House…yeah, like that.
No, not the dead horse, the throwing up on the Republican college dean.

It’s not just that I disagree with their opposition to the public option. It’s that Americans, even Republicans, deserve far better representation than these idiots and liars.

Sen. Crapo: How much will the Rockefeller amendment save?
Staffer: about $400 Billion dollars.
Sen. Crap: I’m against that.

Sen. Ensign: I’m against any public option and since there’s one in the House bill I’m against all health reform because we might get the public option in the final bill and then in some future Congress it might get changed.

Geez, I think Ensign and Conrad were working together slapping one another’s back.

Sen. Grassley: smiling and laughing while Jay Rockefeller said there were uninsured kids in WV and people going bankrupt because of healthcare bills. The people of Iowa ought to run him out of the state, though I’d hate to see another state have to take him in.

Sen. Kyl: But but state health insurance commissioners will make it work.
Sen. Cantwell: Prices have gone up over 100% in 10 years because they didn’t.
Sen. Kyl: *crickets*

The Republicans know the public option will work and save a lot of money.
They clearly oppose it because they don’t want the public to like Dems.
Sen. Ensign said they didn’t want this new entitlement to have a constituency.
They clearly oppose it because they would rather destroy America than to let Dems govern.

The Republicans aren’t representing the needs of their entire states, just a handful of special interests called The Rich. Or as George W. Bush called them, the Haves-and-Have-Mores, His Base.

OTOH, they also made it clear that anything government creates can get changed and grow into a monster which can’t be killed. I suppose they would love for their “defense” projects to be killed off because they have a constituency and cost more than originally projected. Well, they did complain Obama hasn’t really cut much of anything significant. Maybe now’s the time.

But, on the recalcitrant Dems…wtf

]]> By: ThingsComeUndone http://firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/late-late-night-fdl-against-the-wind/#comment-1986777 ThingsComeUndone Wed, 30 Sep 2009 08:00:33 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/late-late-night-fdl-against-the-wind/#comment-1986777 <p>We need to get the level of emotion and regular voter interest high enough on the issues that regular voters feel they have to educate themselves by hearing both sides to the argument.<br /> Between Google making research easy and Lefty Blogs providing a fact base placed to discuss and develop these ideas we create more informed voters.</p> We need to get the level of emotion and regular voter interest high enough on the issues that regular voters feel they have to educate themselves by hearing both sides to the argument.
Between Google making research easy and Lefty Blogs providing a fact base placed to discuss and develop these ideas we create more informed voters.

]]> By: ThingsComeUndone http://firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/late-late-night-fdl-against-the-wind/#comment-1986776 ThingsComeUndone Wed, 30 Sep 2009 07:55:42 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/late-late-night-fdl-against-the-wind/#comment-1986776 <p>All in all the Tea Baggers and the Right Wing Media by advocating violence and hate are scaring off Moderates and Minorities and Non Racists.<br /> The Public in general are paying attention to the issues and they see the link between GOP/Tea Bagger hate speech and shootings ( I would love some polling on this).<br /> The GOP/Tea Baggers are lying about Obama Healthcare etc and its obvious no Reagan Code words to hide that fact does lying weaken the GOP’s case in voters minds yes, how many voters think the GOP is lying more than they used to, How many voters are less likely to support an issue that they know one side lied about? (Again we need polling on this)<br /> Any cause the Crazy advocate gets tainted I see the country going more Left the longer the Healthcare debate goes on.<br /> Heck the more Left Obama goes like hopefully ending the wars the more Crazy the GOP the more they scare off Voters.<br /> But the key is a long campaign to educate voters on the issues and give the GOP Crazy response time to sink in to the public.</p> All in all the Tea Baggers and the Right Wing Media by advocating violence and hate are scaring off Moderates and Minorities and Non Racists.
The Public in general are paying attention to the issues and they see the link between GOP/Tea Bagger hate speech and shootings ( I would love some polling on this).
The GOP/Tea Baggers are lying about Obama Healthcare etc and its obvious no Reagan Code words to hide that fact does lying weaken the GOP’s case in voters minds yes, how many voters think the GOP is lying more than they used to, How many voters are less likely to support an issue that they know one side lied about? (Again we need polling on this)
Any cause the Crazy advocate gets tainted I see the country going more Left the longer the Healthcare debate goes on.
Heck the more Left Obama goes like hopefully ending the wars the more Crazy the GOP the more they scare off Voters.
But the key is a long campaign to educate voters on the issues and give the GOP Crazy response time to sink in to the public.

]]> By: OldFatGuy http://firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/late-late-night-fdl-against-the-wind/#comment-1986775 OldFatGuy Wed, 30 Sep 2009 07:30:47 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/late-late-night-fdl-against-the-wind/#comment-1986775 <p>Oh well, as I suspected, after doing some research (albeit admittedly “teh Google” research), it appears most of this follows under “free speech” and is therefore not illegal.</p> <p>I understand that. And on many levels agree with that.</p> <p>Yet I still can’t get it out of my imagination what would’ve happened had that same NewsMax column been printed in 2006 under HuffPo suggesting the military should consider a coup instead of contintuing a failed war in Iraq. </p> <p>Probably just the bias in me. Yeah, that’s what it is.</p> Oh well, as I suspected, after doing some research (albeit admittedly “teh Google” research), it appears most of this follows under “free speech” and is therefore not illegal.

I understand that. And on many levels agree with that.

Yet I still can’t get it out of my imagination what would’ve happened had that same NewsMax column been printed in 2006 under HuffPo suggesting the military should consider a coup instead of contintuing a failed war in Iraq.

Probably just the bias in me. Yeah, that’s what it is.

]]> By: ThingsComeUndone http://firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/late-late-night-fdl-against-the-wind/#comment-1986774 ThingsComeUndone Wed, 30 Sep 2009 07:23:53 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/late-late-night-fdl-against-the-wind/#comment-1986774 <p>Nite</p> Nite

]]> By: OldFatGuy http://firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/late-late-night-fdl-against-the-wind/#comment-1986773 OldFatGuy Wed, 30 Sep 2009 07:21:52 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/late-late-night-fdl-against-the-wind/#comment-1986773 <p>Take care and g’nite.</p> Take care and g’nite.

]]> By: newtonusr http://firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/late-late-night-fdl-against-the-wind/#comment-1986772 newtonusr Wed, 30 Sep 2009 07:20:21 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/late-late-night-fdl-against-the-wind/#comment-1986772 <p>i am out you guys<br /> sleep awaits</p> <p>see you soon</p> i am out you guys
sleep awaits

see you soon

]]> By: ThingsComeUndone http://firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/late-late-night-fdl-against-the-wind/#comment-1986771 ThingsComeUndone Wed, 30 Sep 2009 07:19:09 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/late-late-night-fdl-against-the-wind/#comment-1986771 <p>Good question beats me.</p> Good question beats me.

]]> By: ThingsComeUndone http://firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/late-late-night-fdl-against-the-wind/#comment-1986770 ThingsComeUndone Wed, 30 Sep 2009 07:18:29 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/late-late-night-fdl-against-the-wind/#comment-1986770 <p>At the very least we need to know who their donors are so we can do consumer boycotts and have ev ery Lefty blog have a list on the side of every post.<br /> The Glen Beck ad boycott we need to expand and coordinate with them. I want Lou Dobbs to be next. I want all Fox advertisers on every show to be hit.</p> At the very least we need to know who their donors are so we can do consumer boycotts and have ev ery Lefty blog have a list on the side of every post.
The Glen Beck ad boycott we need to expand and coordinate with them. I want Lou Dobbs to be next. I want all Fox advertisers on every show to be hit.

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