evening, eureka.

evening ES

Good evening..)

Hopewell
Jeez.

Hey ES, SN, and newt! It’s almost October, maybe the madness will chill.

Tomorrow is a decisive moment, no?

newton, you guessed it the other night. Turkey in plastic bag :(

Um, for those that weren’t here the other night, sunny and I were talking about kitchen calamities…

The bags seem to greatly reduce the margin for error, yeah.

Is it really that decisive? Just one committee, although an important one. I’ll be watching.

What error? Are you talking about the oven bags?

Seems like it will be.. though not the only one. Just looked at the cspan TV schedule 10 am to 12:30 ET. Not very long.

I think ES is right. Tomorrow is when we are likely to find out just what kind of fight Obama has in him. And the reviews are not encouraging.

I love the flavor of plastic. /s

If you haven’t seen the photos of the Chinese preparing for their 60th anniversary, really cool.

Cooking times. Poultry seems to cook so fast that it seeps off the bones. Sunny’s example was as good as any, where the turkey ‘disintegrates.’

Disintegrates? Wow.

Actually an old friend tried a diet back in the seventies.. IIRC, chicken breasts, lemon wedges, quartered tomatoes.. and black pepper.. baked in a bag. Was so simple and delicious, even skinny boys like me asked for more.

margot’s on top of that. She has raspberry scented plastic razors that attract ants.

OK, that’s funny!

They have trained to stand motionless for a solid hour, to refrain from swaying during the second hour and not to collapse after three hours, reported Xinhua, the state-run news agency.

Ants have no taste these days.

Perhaps the connective tissue in the joints melts under too much steam. My t’giving turkey collapsed on the platter. I was somewhat amused, my family not so much.

Hey! That’s China. The ballerina with the rifle is stunning too.

I can’t do the bags, cuz I need the gravy. Once in a great while I’ll use the bag, but it just seems wrong.

Surreal photo.

Helloooo Late Night Peeps!

Now stop talkin about my raspberry razors. Stupid ants, lol.

They taste like blackberries.

hey Kelly

Hey
this is sad, but i saved it. i’m sure you are familiar…

OH i see what you meant. Never mind!
Hi ES, Kelly, Sunny, everyone.

Hey Kelly

Hey Margot.. sending you some whipped cream..)

my lips are sealed *g*

Mmm. Apple pie and whipped cream. Thanks ES.

What is Obama going to talk about in this speech Healthcare sure but is this just a Healthcare speech or a speech about everything? I would like to hear more about ending the wars, green energy, and ending the coup in Honduras.

Uncanny!

I found myself, having to DEFEND MYSELF on another blog, kinda orange colored, the other day about my anti-war, anticorporate bonafides.

I couldn’t believe it. I was like “yer fekking kidding me!”

Sadly, agreed.

Too much mainstream push in support of corporate favored outcomes.

Way too much.

And how optimists would posit House will rule Senate (given House is more public oriented than Senate) I don’t get, that, not at all.

The Senate is the crux, and the devil, in this detail, regardless of the House Bills.

And in committee, Senate has the leverage, I believe, although I don’t know why or how.

I hope for better, I fear the worst.

I think I will try that green banana curry recipe MFI posted at Seminal this weekend.

If this speech is about healthcare then what are the odds that a Senator announced a bill to allow drugs to be reimported from Canada today? Either Obama was behind it or we got one very brave Lefty Senator with a great sense of timing who might be looking to move up in the Senate Leadership perhaps?

What speech?

I think ES is right. Tomorrow is when we are likely to find out just what kind of fight Obama has in him. And the reviews are not encouraging

Sorry my bad I just read that comment and assumed there was another speech coming.

I can whip one up if you like. /s

My bad, too.
Someone from the administration will probably be sent out onto the lawn (I’m betting giggly Christina Romer) to ‘comment’ on the wonderful progress the Senate is making.

Put turkey, birds, what ever, in an aluminum pan, on top of carrots, celery, garlic, onions, and any herbs ya want. Use whole herbs, no need to strip thyme from branches, etc. Use whole garlic, in peel, no need to strip peels.

Once turkey, bird or what ever big item is seasoned, and located on top of mirapoix and herbs, load up half and half of chicken stock, vegan stock, beef stock as appropriate to big meat in question, and half and half white wine or red wine as appropriate, so it comes half way up the sides of the aluminum pan.

Cover whole affair with tinfoil tent, and set in bbq grill, with hard wood fire (I DISDAIN briquettes) that’s been heated up and then scooped to sides. Set the alum pan in MIDDLE, for indirect heat. Cover lid.

It will boil up fast, if yer rig is right. And the liquids will steam the bird or meat FAST!

A 20# bird on the bone will cook full in three hours, if ya load up the bbq fully with fuel.

At end of 2.5 hours, you open lid, pull the aluminum foil tent off, and brown skin on bird the last half hour or so.

And the herbs, and wines you use, will INFUSE the bird, any way you want. Hell, put hot red curry paste in there!

Me, I’m partial to thyme, rosemary and basil, but I grow them and they are always plentiful to me. *G*

Mangiare!

And sorry, I’m going to rant for a minute here, but I’ll be goddammned if someone is going to call me NAIVE or UNINVOLVED when I have been out there videoing sites before, during (Digby linked to that film btw, way back then) ,and then after, especially as regards the healthcare issue.

I don’t just make videos for the fuck of it, or to make music videos to self aggrandize. I make them cause I care and invest time in the civic and citizen process.

Feh!

I would love to here what Rahm is saying about that Senator’s import drugs from Canada plan that wrecks his deal with the drug companies.

you remember the “Don’t taze me bro” incident?
You should have seen the apologists at a certain blog about that. “Well he was aggressive.” “He kept talking, he should’ve been quiet and polite.”
!~!~??
I don’t want any of them at my back during a confrontation. They’d probably be pointing me out and whispering, “She’s the troublemaker, officer! We’re good children.”

Those two had the harmony, they did, in ANY configuration.
A pity the crazy one left so long ago, there could have been three.
And now, there’s only one, I think.

Alas, but splendid work, gents, splendid.

And sorry, I’m going to rant for a minute here

Your sorry about ranting here?….Somedays thats all I do here:)

I had all but forgotten Syd Barrett until Richard Wright died last year. Brought the whole thing back.

I think some GOP senators Dipper Dave even voted on a previous bill to allow drugs to be imported from Canada in other words that plan had more support than any healthcare plan we have now.
I want to see the GOPers run away from that vote now.

Keep it loud amigo.

Do it!

I totally will, Senor!

Supportive people like you make it possible for me to do so. As long as one other DFH sees one piece of work that I produce, I’ll keep doing it.

I’m no Mike Stark, but I do what I can in my part of the world.

Yum! Works on a gas grill too? I love the idea of whole herbs without the prep.

Well, Mike Stark gets lots of practice… and I myself want to storm the back walk of the congress some day.

Field trip!

can’t let an Arthur Brown post go by unnoticed. wacky late 60s and 70s prog-rock (mostly noise IMHO), but his record Galactic Zoo Dossier furnished the name of the record store in nascent Silicon Valley where we impressionable young teens got turned onto a lot of better stuff, notably early Genesis, Gentle Giant, Caravan, Camel, etc.

Yeah, the three of them were incredible so long ago.

Just incredible. Bless them all.

Like old Fleetwood Mac, with Jeremy Spencer goin off to a cult, and Danny Kirwin just losing it.

But Mic, John McVie, Peter Green (who went off for a long time, too), Jeremy Spencer and Danny Kirwin were the heart and soul of that band, along with Christine Perfect (McVie). The music they pulled off was grand.

And well, up thru the various forms with Danny and Jeremy (Kiln House), then with Danny and Bob Welch (Hero’s Hard To Find, Bare Trees, Future Games (MY all time fav) and a few more . . . it was grand music.

Anyhoots, I digress. Barrett, Gilmour, Wright. Grand.

Kelly, I’ve not seen your vids, but I’ll support you to the end, knowing your heart and soul for prog causes.

And thanks, Senor, for all your work, if I’ve seen it or not! Kudos!

Speakin Of Senor. Tom O’b. My fav.

nite all.

ES, thanks for mark’s curry. Coconut milk and curry paste are staples here – thai soups!

Sure, just got to know your fire, temps in the bird, and such.

But I’m not a fan of the gas, it’s a terrible smell. *G*

I’m a purist, it’s mesquite, apple wood, peach wood, or such, for the flavor. *G*

FDL Field Trip!

What a great idea! Let’s figure out a Healthcare Offensive, and cover all the doors in an out of Congress! Film all the lobbyist-bitches coming and going.

I’m totally IN!

I love it when I eat out.. should have started cooking that way at home a long time ago.

nite Sunny

Cover the childrens’ ears.

night Sunny.

I thought Arthur would garner a blast from the past comment or two..)

AND, I forgot to mention.

At the end, lift bird out.

Then strain some of the remaining liquids and drippings from the bird, take some of the herbs and veggies, put to the blender or processor.

Force THAT thru a fine mesh strainer, into a sauce pot.

Add or reduce stuff to it as needed, for flavor or to thicken.

No need to use flour and butter, lo fat and lower cal gravy.

I like to add the giblets and such that I’ve had in the alum pan, while cooking the bird.

Others prefer just plain gravy from the veggies and liquids and such.

Yer choice. *G*

Hats off to Kelly!!!

step into the way-back machine!

Best suits and running shoes… those congresscritters can run-walk!

Oh and I would love to time a visit for a Billionaires for Wealthfare gathering. *s*

Arthur In ‘68. His FIRE, Is Classic

*G*

…no need to strip thyme from branches, etc…

Christ, do you know how many hours I have spent being picky about rosemary?
Now he tells me…

There you go.. now that whole recipe sounds like a real winner Larue. I was impressed at first, but the gravy sealed the deal.

I’m in.

Ok, A MUCH Better Arthur Version, Studio

And Credence, Of Course, The Short Versioni

*handsinpocket*
*lookinskyward*
*whistlin*
*stillwhistlin*

;-)

Yeah, toss that gravy over some buttermilk corn bread, yummers!

Great! We can split bus fare! :)

ES, the recipe is a basic base, YOU use what ya like, for seasonings on the bird or in the pan.

Use beer, saki, whatever, for the liquids.

The KEY, is it boils up and steams and cooks and moistens and INFUSES, da boid, and you brown it at the end.

Or use any meat or fowl, or game, for same results. The process is killer, the flavors are for the cook to decide! *G*

Thanks to those who like this! It’s a killer process, and end result!

So one store bought aluminum turkey pan will work over a three hour wood fire, or do you need two / double thickness? And I assume you don’t use a lid over the grill since a turkey is so large?

I am astounded by your memory for music, Larue! Here’s Hellfire.

Damn, I was unemployed during the Dem Convention. I shoulda just taunted y’all with food to get ya to come and be civic minded during then…

And for you folks out there WITH thermometers, who check grill temps and meat temps, if you stoke the grill right and fully, you SHOULD see temps as high as 450F or more, for at LEAST two hours. For larger birds, 3.5 hours of cooking might be needed, for birds under 15lbs, three hours total should be good, PROVIDED you have temps of 450F or more for two hours. LOAD UP THE FUEL! *G*

Holidays are comin, I’ll likely repost this info for a bird, and some info for prime rib same process, at Betsy’s, on Foodie Fridays!

Or just email me for same . . . *G*

Um, I only use one alum pan.

And, I use the lid on the que, but I’ve got a good sized que or two.

The lid is mandatory, it keeps in the heat!

To keep the lid on, you’ll have to adjust size of your bird or meat, I guess.

Good questions, wish I had thought about them, now I will, when I repost at Betsy’s these holidays! Thanks!

Thanks Loo Hoo. Been a junkie for it all since I got my first transistor radio at age 10, after all them years overseas.
Arthur Brown was killer, in Hellfire! Thanks for the linky!

It’s supposed to frost for the first time here tonight… I don’t think it will but the crisp night air with a bright low hanging moon and all these recipes made me forget about the senate finance committee for a little while. /s

Think I wil turn in.. in hopes of catching the votes in the morning.

Good night firedogs.

I usually use the 20 minutes per pound rule for birds, 25 for beef and 30 for pork. Course that’s in the oven, not on a grill.

Prime rib in the oven 500 degrees for one hour, oven off for five hours, and 350 to warm for one hour. Oven is never opened. This is after the meat is rubbed with salt and pepper.

Night, ES, and thanks.

nite ES

Ohh, OLD school! But what about the Yorkshires?

And nite ES, thanks for lettin me ramble thru yer thread, with music and food!

Never have done a Yorkshire. Heard of it though. *g* Sounds mighty English.