A close reading of the CIA’s Inspector General Report and the Senate Intelligence Committee’s narrative on the Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) torture memos reveals a more detailed picture of the CIA’s involvement in the construction of the OLC memos. What emerges is consistent with recent charges of CIA experimentation on prisoners, and of the overall experimental quality of the torture program itself. It also points to a crucial piece of "analysis" by the CIA’s Office of Technical Services, a memo which may or may not include damning medical and psychological evidence of the damaging effects of SERE techniques, and which the IG report maintains was utilized "in substantial part" in the drafting of the August 1, 2002 Bybee memos. If one is looking for a smoking gun in the torture scandal, in my opinion, one doesn’t have to look much further than this.
The quote below is from the April 22, 2009 Senate Intelligence Committee narrative of the Office of Legal Counsel’s opinions on the CIA’s interrogation program. Please keep in mind as you read the quote and the added bolded emphasis, that recent documentation has shown that for years the CIA and Special Operations had researchers studying the effects of SERE training. Moreover, the research had been published in peer-reviewed journals, in part because the research was also meant to add to the psychiatric community’s understanding of the mechanisms of Post-traumatic Stress Disorder. Some of the research had also been published in the June 2000 edition of Special Warfare, "The Professional Bulletin of the John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center and School."
So, keeping this all in mind, consider the following from the Intel Committee’s narrative (emphasis added):
According to CIA records, because the CIA believed that Abu Zubaydah was withholding imminent threat information during the initial interrogation sessions, attorneys from the CIA’s Office of General Counsel met with the Attorney General, the National Security Adviser, the Deputy National Security adviser, the Legal Adviser to the National Security Council, and the Counsel to the President in mid-May 2002 to discuss the possible use of alternative interrogation methods that differed from the traditional methods used by the U.S. military and intelligence community. At this meeting, the CIA proposed particular alternative interrogation methods, including waterboarding.
The CIA’s Office of General Counsel subsequently asked OLC to prepare an opinion about the legality of its proposed techniques. To enable OLC to review the legality of the techniques, the CIA provided OLC with written and oral descriptions of the proposed techniques. The CIA also provided OLC with information about any medical and psychological effects of DoD’s Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape (SERE) School, which is a military training program during which military personnel receive counter-interrogation training.
While the fact that the OLC accepted at face value the CIA’s statements regarding the safety or the effects of the interrogation procedures they were proposing is no surprise to anyone who has read the torture memos — and evidence of the unprofessionalism and bias of the memo’s authors — the degree to which the conspiracy (by CIA or OLC, or both) to withhold evidence of the real effects of the "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques" (EITs) by the CIA has never been made more concrete than now.
To my knowledge, we do not have the specific document wherein the CIA provides the "medical and psychological effects" of SERE school. I have been told that this document is still classified. But it seems possible that the CIA did pass on the details of the research that was available to it, including the debilitating effects of SERE techniques, which sent stress hormone levels, according to one research report, "some of the greatest ever documented in humans." Another report cited "neuroendocrine changes… [that] may have significant implications for subsequent responses to stress."
One of the authors of these reports, Charles A. Morgan, III, M.D., who has identified himself in certain settings as a "Senior Research Scientist" on the CIA’s Behavioral Science Staff, has criticized my coverage of CIA experiments on the psychological and physiological effects of SERE training upon human subjects. While he could not specify what aspects of this coverage he felt were "inaccurate and misleading," he did insist:
The research conducted by our research team at the National Center for Post Traumatic Stress Disorder is not, and never has been, conducted for any other purpose than to help us understand the pathophysiology of stress disorders and we might better help in the treatment of veterans.
In making his mea culpa, Dr. Morgan never mentions that some of this research was funded (over $400,000) by the Army and the Office of Naval Research. He doesn’t mention his acquaintance with "great people who do military interrogations." He also forgets to cite his book contribution, where he states (emphasis added):
The SERE training environment affords the military services the opportunity to collaborate with various other government agencies in exploring old and new techniques in gathering human intelligence.
Of course, he neither confirms nor denies his affiliation with the CIA, an affiliation which I have traced to the CIA’s Science and Technology directorate, through his association (large PDF) with the Intelligence Technology Innovation Center, which is "a research organization under the CIA’s authority" that "answers directly to the CIA’s Science and Technology directorate."
But most of all, Dr. Morgan’s arrows fall way short of his target, as I have never accused him of personal involvement in the reverse-engineering of SERE techniques for use in the torture program. What is disturbing is his seeming lack of concern over the possiblity that the research he helped conduct was either used to further experiments upon torture victims in the CIA’s clandestine prisons, or contrariwise, was withheld from Office of Legal Counsel lawyers who relied upon CIA advice concerning the effects of techniques derived from the SERE schools.
What is indisputable is that by virtue of his position, Dr. Morgan had access to CIA officials just at the time that another department of the CIA, one to which he is affiliated, was, according to the CIA’s own Office of Inspector General Report (large PDF) involved in vetting the SERE techniques for use in interrogations. The other department was the Office of Technical Services (OTS), part of the CIA’s Science and Technology Directorate. This, by the way, is the same division that was responsible for the MKULTRA experiments of the 1950s and 1960s. From the OIG report:
…CTC [CIA's Counter-Terrorism Center], with the assistance of the Office of Technical Service (OTS), proposed certain more coercive physical techniques to use on Abu Zubaydah….
CIA’s OTS obtained data on the use of the proposed EITs and their potential long-term psychological effects on detainees. OTS input was based in part on information solicited from a number of psychologists and knowledgeable academics in the area of psychopathology….
OTS also solicited input from DoD/Joint Personnel Recovery Agency (JPRA) regarding techniques used in its SERE training and any subsequent psychological effects on students. DoD/JPRA concluded no long-term psychological effects resulted from use of the EITs, including the most taxing technique, the waterboard, on SERE students. The OTS analysis was used by OGC [DoD's Office of General Counsel] in evaluating the legality of techniques.
OTS’s solicitation of information on SERE from JPRA elicited some sort of feedback from JPRA, which supposedly told OTS that SERE training caused no long-term effects. The IG Report does not say if this was in the form of a memo and only speaks of OTS’s analysis. In any case, we should not confuse any OTS "analysis" with the information provided by JPRA itself to the Office of General Counsel, which produced a number of memorandum and attachments in late July 2003. Marcy Wheeler has been analyzing the timing of these JPRA items, including the fact that one of these key documents is missing.
The CIA IG Report is relating a story whose emphasis differs from that produced in the narrative of the Senate Armed Services Committee investigation (PDF) into SERE torture. In the latter, JPRA is the main culprit in providing cover for the supposed safety of using SERE techniques. Yet, in the OIG account it looks like the CIA used DOD/JRRA as a cover for the safety of techniques that it knew were in fact harmful from their own analysis of the "data." Moreover, it was the OTS analysis that was used — "in substantial part" — as the basis of the August 1, 2002 memo approving the "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques" (EITs).
That legal opinion was based, in substantial part, on OTS analysis and the experience and expertise of non-Agency personnel and academics concerning whether long-term psychological effects would result from use of the proposed techniques.
Moreover, the CIA’s Office of Medical Services was frozen out of "the initial analysis of the risk and benefits of EITs," and not even provided with a copy of the OTS report given to the White House Office of Legal Counsel. Such compartmentalization of information is indicative of a covert operation, such as a Special Access Program (SAP). This SAP would have included personnel in CIA’s CTC, OTS, OGC, and Directorate of Operations, also portions of DOD (JPRA and Special Operations Command), and probably the White House’s OLC, Office of the Vice President, and National Security Council.
It seems highly likely that the CIA report to the OLC on the medical and psychological effects of the SERE school program, mentioned in the Senate Intelligence Committee narrative quote above, is in fact the OTS report, which came from the same CIA directorate to which Dr. Morgan belongs. This does not speak to Morgan’s foreknowledge of what would be used, nor to the amount of his involvement. But it does speak to the likelihood that the government research he conducted (with others) was available and likely used by his associates in the CIA.
To what purpose was this information used? It seems Dr. Morgan has serendipitously given us the answer himself: "exploring old and new techniques in gathering human intelligence." The CIA appears to have used torture to conduct what Physicians for Human Rights, in a "white paper" (PDF) recently published, called "possible unethical human experimentation, [which] urgently needs to be thoroughly investigated." The government should declassify the OTS report, and bring the process of investigating the CIA’s role in the torture conspiracy fully into public purview.
Related posts:
- CIA/SERE Experiments Evidence of Attempt to Mislead on OLC Torture Memos
- Experiment in Terror: The Psychological Evaluation of Abu Zubaydah and Its Role in Designing Torture
- “Targets of Opportunity”: Corruption, Contractors, and the Origins of the SERE Torture Program
- Expanding the Investigation into SERE Torture
- The July 2002 Torture Training Session





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Timely….I will copy part of response from my Breck girl Senator:
Sorry…I could not paste….she thinks any prosecution action = “vindicative”….her word. I’ll try to get more of her Breck girl opinion.
May the Lord have mercy on our souls.
a terrific piece here jeff, I would like to clarify or point something out in one of the quotes;
I’m to find the link and I can’t but a CIA agent specifically said something along these lines;
“we kept telling Cheney there was no link between al qaeada and and Saddam but he kept telling us there was and to go back and get it”
now that is paraphrased but that is the gorilla, Cheney was told by the CIA there was no link and he literally told them to use torture to create the link everyone told him was not there
and the cia informed cheney et al that they were compliant
but cheney wanted more, even though he was informed they were getting or had all the information that was avaiable and actionable
now, I want to make another point, the vast majority of the cia was not on board and we are talking about only a hand full of cheney henchmen that went along with this program
I really don’t think we can use the term “the cia” when we really mean, “the few people that were under cheney’s thumb in the cia”
there is a huge differance betweent those two statements and I believe the latter is correct
now I’m going to look for the referance where the cia told cheney they had all the information they could obtain and he told them to use more aggresive techniques
if someone has that referance please post it for me
We’ve known that Cheney used torture to obtain false confessions forever. It’s one of the classis reasons for torture, and I’m sure Cheney was aware of that. Al-Libi let the cat out of the bag. And who cares if it’s only the tender few at the CIA this time. The organization has done so much shit to damage the U.S., it deserves all the brickbats one can throw at it, regardless of the merits of the individual ones.
because this is a huge point
Most Americans believe the cia does more good then harm, they also believe we need a clandestine operation
if we can point out this was not “the cia” but it was “cheney’s cronies undermining the cia” that goes a very long way in this discussion and in getting something done to those involved in the torture program
if Americans believe the entire cia was involved in these programs they are far less likely to welcome trials then if they understand the fact that it was the select few who cheney managed use in infiltration
his team b
it is a very big deal ecahn, very
off to bed
They knew exactly what they were doing.. Torture Torture and they knew and they knew the Law and they preformed these horrendous acts anyway! Every single person that had anything to do with these acts must be brought to justice! whether they performed them or gave them the Golden Legal cover they are all guilty of War Crimes and capital crimes under US Law!!
Any Doctor, and I mean ANY DOCTOR who participated in any way in the torture, should be jailed awaiting trial and if found guilty spend the rest of their miserable lives in a dungeon. These people,(and I am being generous using that term)took an oath to do NO harm. Something inside of me tells me that they did plenty. Any american who participated should never see freedom again.
Just this old chief’s 2 cents!
1. I doubt that the average joe cares about this fine point, which means you can’t convince him because he won’t pay attention.
2. O won’t let trials happen no matter what.
Did you read Miles’s Oath Betrayed? Very (sadly) informative. Here’s his FDL Book Salon, if you weren’t there.
Let us give credit where credit is due, to that ROTTEN PIECE OF HUMAN GARBAGE, JOHN YOO, TORTURE CZAR. As I have noted, he has legalized torture, assassinations and False Flag Ops. But he is also a freak and not in a good way.
http://articles.latimes.com/20…..n/oe-yoo13
That is because Saudi Arabia controls Al Qaeda.
I am shocked. The brilliant neo-con torturers just need to copy wiley coyote.
See the last paragraph.
But do not market the Brand New Islam, or even new computers, in August.
Another tool would have our intelligence agencies create a false terrorist organization. It could have its own websites, recruitment centers, training camps and fundraising operations. It could launch fake terrorist operations and claim credit for real terrorist strikes, helping to sow confusion within Al Qaeda’s ranks, causing operatives to doubt others’ identities and to question the validity of communications.
Read the Dark Side by Jane Mayer… they did all these crimes because Cheney and Addington are cruel and inhuman assholes, both should face justice both in the US and internationally… May they rot in HELL when they get there as they surely must!!
Even better let them receive what they put other through… Fitting if ya ask me!
That should work out well. /s
Bingo!
And therein lies a great strategy for prosecution. Go after Cheney’s “team b” or whatever they were called, and they’ll likely fold like wet cardboard…
Jeff, did the ACLU or other organizations file an FOIA on the OTS document when the Inspector General’s report was released? Any idea if it will become available?
Hi Lt!! Glad to see you posting… I still visit your blog off and on and wonder…
Fair Winds and Following Seas!
da Chief
I just finished it, and you made some very astute posts in there. Being back home, I miss a lot of the “real time” things and like today, only get caught up on the bounce.
I’ve asked and not heard back on that yet. You can bet that when I know, I’ll add that info into the relevant post. From a reliable source who is very involved in the legal/political side of the anti-torture work, I have heard there is such a document; it is classified; and no one has seen it.
– @3, perris, you are very right about the false confessions point. It is important the American people know that torture for false confessions to influence the U.S. public with lies in order to invade Iraq occurred. Perhaps I should be adding that point to these postings. My main point is not counterpoised to that, but is about how the particular kind of torture came about. All torture is unreliable, and therefore can and often does produce false confessions. Not even torture, btw, even regular police grillings and threats.
– @9, eCAHNomics, yes, Oath Betrayed is a great, even essential book. In the latest edition, Miles lays out his thesis that the interrogation log of Al Khatani is in fact the record of an interrogation-torture experiment. I won’t recapitulate that here. Everyone should get the book.
One canard, wishful thinking at best (Rumsfeld and Cheney, I think, were fond of spreading it), was that SERE techniques could not have longterm deleterious consequences because we use them on our own people and they’re just fine. After all, Rummy stood on his feet all day without harm and people shouted at Gen. Myers for years until he eventually outranked them all.
Setting aside that our own forces might not be symptom free from such treatment, the SERE techniques as applied to interrogation of detainees is a Mack truck compared to the moped of their use during a short stint of voluntary, controlled military training.
It seems likely that serious study would demonstrate that. Either it will come out, or the Bush administration spiked such studies for the same reason it spiked the DoD’s legal analysis of torture, because it wanted to avoid documenting the obvious failure and wrongness of their assumptions and methods.
Yes, likely they spiked it. But unfortunately for them, and before they had such plans, the CIA/military was spending lots of money on this research, and there is a trail. And that’s what this article is pointing out. The SERE studies demonstrated that even in the SERE schools, the effects of the SERE mock-torture was profound.
there can be no atonment
I bet this is the cause of CIA chief Leon Panetta’s “hair on fire” report to Congress that caused such horror. Mere assassination is sooooo pedestrian, already.
In a minor way, then, the researchers might have been a bit underprecise in their experimental observations, about using “a couple of drops” of water to wake him up. Three drops of water to keep someone awake after three weeks of sleep deprivation? Five? Other researchers trying to reproduce the experiment would need to know.
In a more substantial way, they might have underreported the December 7 hospitalization with low pulse rate. An FBI agent reports (p. 70), about a captive that might be al-Khatani (p. 72), that a Lieutenant nurse told him of a December hospitalization with a diagnosis of hypothermia.
The experimentally observed December 7 dispute between the MPs and the dog handler is also curious. The experimenters never record the presence of any dogs.
Thanks Jeff
They knew what they thought they knew about WASPs response to pin prick torture exposures. In SEREs training,I read 10% were waterboarded in a very controlled manner. The other 90% got their training through observing the 10% who were W/B.
I believe, they believed their own hype about how these guys had mastered the mind and we weren’t sure how to crack them. Think of the discipline required to hold tight to a target, twice, flying at over 600 MPH for the first time where a twitch would have been a miss,as told by the government sources of course. Think of their mastery of the emotions here.
These were experiments.to get to know how far the line was with Muslims.
Yes, as I’ve shown elsewhere, they didn’t think the Muslim “zealots” were biologically like normal human beings. This is Nazi stuff, no two ways about it. And the government is trying desperately to cover it up.
I wish you’d say more or write a diary on this! You’ve obviously looked closely at the material.
What about Obama keeping the rendition program alive and well?
they have nothing to worry about. obama has their backs
“CIA experimentation on prisoners”? It gets worse by the day. Will someone in authority Prosecute?
Every time I’m just about to give up one of the right wingers does something so disgusting, so absurd, so dangerous that one just has to hang in there for a little longer.
Lets all work together to see some of the Bush-Cheney scum jailed for their lawbreaking.
Get out in the streets in front of your Congressional Representative’s office and raise hell. Start your own “prosecution” protest group.
KEEP ASKING ALL POLITICIANS AT ALL PUBLIC EVENTS
“WHY DO YOU SUPPORT TORTURE?”
If they aren’t actively calling for enforcement of our Federal Torture Laws, They DO Support Torture and a dual standard of Justice.
SIGN THE PETITIONS
Demanding
prosecution for all those leaders
in Bush’s Administration that
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Torture…torture….torture. Too many people (especially the progressives) have hammered away at this issue and now all the terrorists know they can go forward and suffer no real harm (think waterboarding). All of a sudden we have all these plots being revealed as terrorists get more brazen, safe in the knowledge they will get the kid glove treatment if caught.
When innocent Americans start dying the blood will be on the hands of those progressives who weakened our whole system of interrogation.
Jeff,
Thank you for this post. Did you have a chance to go look at those links I posted in the comments of your previous piece irt other nations participating?
It is clear, failure to address this will continue to degrade our diplomatic trump irt our historical human rights record. Additionally, we have just announced to the world that anyone can do the same to our service personnel.
Yes, Jeff, I know you will post the information if you get it. My point, I guess, is that what you have laid out is a credible allegation of a specific violation of the scientific experimentation clauses of the Geneva Conventions, spec. Article 11,2(b) of the 1st Additional Protocol, Article 5,2 of the 2nd Additional Protocol (which ever applies to the individual), Article 32 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, Article 13 of the Third Geneva Convention, Article 12 of the Second Geneva Convention, and/or Article 12 of the First Geneva Convention, which ever apply. Article 7 of the ICCPR applies if it turns out that the laws of war are not applicable, and under Article 4 of the same covenant, Article 7 is non-derogable for any reason whatsoever.
In other words, if the party who is filing the FOIA is listening, that memo is crucial as evidence in a credible allegation of a crime against international humanitarian and human rights law which is punishable under universal jurisdiction by any other country in the world if it isn’t punished here. The courts examining the FOIA case need to take that into account. Medical experimentation on people in custody is a major crime on its own, regardless of any accusations of torture.
(I know you are aware of all this, I just wanted to make sure it was on the record)
that’s my thinking jo, if we say to the cia, “we know it was them and not you” then they are on board with an investigation and prosecution
if we say, “it is the entire cia” they will do whatever it takes preventing that investigation
@32 Perris, this entry seems to substantiate,imho, what you are saying about the line of demarcation between CIA and a second string team “B”.
Copper Green is reported by American investigative journalist Seymour Hersh to be one of several code names for a U.S. black ops program, according to an article in the May 24, 2004 issue of The New Yorker. According to Hersh, the task force was formed with the direct approval of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld during the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan,October 2001, and run by Deputy Undersecretary Stephen Cambone. Hersh claims the special access program members were told “Grab whom you must. Do what you want”.
The program allegedly designed physical coercion and sexual humiliation techniques for use against Muslim Arab men specifically, to retrieve information from suspects, and to blackmail them into becoming informants.
According to the article, the sexual humiliation techniques were based on the book, The Arab Mind, written by the late cultural anthropologist Raphael Patai in 1973. The book claimed to be a “study of Arab culture and psychology”. According to Hersh’s anonymous intelligence source, the Patai book was “the bible of the neocons on Arab behavior”, which gave life to two themes: “One, that Arabs only understand force and, two, that the biggest weakness of Arabs is shame and humiliation”.
Hersh claims to have spoken to a senior CIA official who said the program was designed by Rumsfeld to wrest control of information from the CIA, and place it in the hands of the Pentagon.
According to Hersh’s sources, the program was so successful in Afghanistan, that Cambone decided to introduce the SAP program to operations during 2003 invasion of Iraq, eventually leading to the use of common soldiers instead of using special ops forces exclusively. In Hersh’s view, the program was used on detainees at the Abu Ghraib prison, leading directly to the prisoner abuse by US soldiers there.
Wikipedia
Yes, yes, yes! Thanks, ondelette. You have said exactly what I wanted to say, and had left out the precise laws of war and human rights that this crime engages. There is no legal cover for this kind of crime. Not that there is for torture, either, but this is a war crime of the highest sort.
I will bookmark or copy your comment for further reference, and I thank you for putting it here for readers.
@30, klynn, one of the links was behind a firewall, but I read the other, and the main point being the activities of the Israelis as partners in the torture process. This is worthy of a full post. Many assumed the torture issue in Israel was settled when the Israeli Supreme Court ruled against certain forms of coercive interrogation. But as elsewhere, the struggle continues there, as well. Moreover, Israelis have been reported at some of the U.S. torture sites. Of course, so have the British, the Germans, Canadians, Egyptians and others. — The issue deserves wider exposure and discussion.
@33 Gitcheegumee — The entire story of Rumsfeld’s parallel and competitive torture program at DoD is a very interesting one. I have held off reporting that way b/c I have always been suspicious about the whole rivalry meme. I don’t discount it either, but in the world of spooks, you don’t know if the story you are getting is to enlighten or mislead. My recent studies are leaning me more and more to the idea the CIA was always in charge.
Jeff, you are the master on these issues…you certainly will not get “lip” from me on this subject.
What WAS intriguing to me from this entry is that Timing of the initial statement-October 2001-right after 9/11,and Rumsfeld allegedly issues the directive to SAP members to “Grab whom you must. Do what YOU WANT.”
Now this was well before the atrocities at Abu Ghraib,and even longer before the der Spiegel interview where Helgerson admitted torture occured PRIOR to the date “torture memos” were written.( Panorama/BBC article from last week)
I recall a thread here a month or so ago discussing WHY Rumsfeld wanted to wrest the control from CIA and place under Pentagon jurisdiction. The theory was it was for the explicit purpose of running a “B” team-without CIA oversite.
At least that was my understanding of the discussion.
I’ll try and get you the other link. It was about a visit by a group of Bush officials to another country regarding eit’s/torture specific to training. HAd not seen this trip covered anywhere else in the media.
Yes, Team B is the theory. Steven Miles feels he’s worked it all out and adheres to the separate Rumsfeld program. There certainly was a separate program, but was it created to be in conflict with CIA, to compete, to confuse, to run in parallel… I don’t know.
Another issue has to do with the fact that it appears unlikely to me that Special Operations command wasn’t running some of these abusive interrogations on a small scale in other countries. I’m thinking, for instance, Columbia, other Latin America, Africa, etc. Remember, on 9/11, Mitchell was apparently working out of Special Ops at Ft. Bragg. Their mentor, Aldrich, had a long history with Special Ops, as did many of the SERE trainers.
One SAP, two SAPs… who knows. The full story if ever unravelled will be complex and internecine.
By the way, please don’t hestiate to ever criticize or “do battle” with some concept or fact I propose. If I’m wrong about something, I’d rather know. If another POV helps me understand a dimension of a complex problems, I want to know that too. None of us have a monopoly on any of this material. It’s too dense.