She asked Dean what it would mean if Democrats passed healthcare reform through the Senate using budget reconciliation rules, rather than relying on the whims of faux-centrists (Snowe, Lieberman, Nelson, et al.) to get a filibuster-proof 60 votes.
His response was that reconciliation would produce a better healthcare reform bill, and not just (as Lindsay notes) because of a lessened need to water the legislation down.
Saying that "the best way to do the public option is to have it be part of Medicare," Dean points out that using reconciliation rules for a budget resolution would force the bill in this direction, because "there would be no question that an expansion of Medicare was germane and permitted in the budget resolution."
Another benefit, Dean adds, is that "for political reasons, the Democrats need to get this done by 2010, so some people can sign up for it by 2010. And the only way to do that is to use an existing bureaucracy."
The advantage isn’t just the typical desire of politicians to point at tangible results of their legislative work, either:
Implementing it [a public option] immediately for significant numbers of Americans is going to deflate all the lies that Republicans tell about this bill. Once people actually start to sign up, they’re going to find out that all those things weren’t true.
. . . Once health care reform actually goes into effect, the Republicans who are only selling fear and anger — that’s all they’re selling — that has to go away, because reality will always trump fear and anger.
Dean cites his experience with civil-unions legislation in Vermont as proof of this. All Democrats need to do is find the will to make the reality happen.



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Whatever it takes to get the very best bill possible…
i love this man,if he were not happily married,id throw myself at his feet like Rille Hunter…………i just WUVVVVVVVVVVVV him to pieces
Interesting US News blog item
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/wa…..ember.html
Sayeth them: no deal until December, bill is now “too big to fail” whatever that means, they quote an industry shill concern trolling the bill…
Interesting. Didn’t think USNWR favored reform, they’re generally very conservative.
hence the quoting of insurance industry lobbyists? I thought it was hilarious that of all people they’d quote a shill.
silly Howard, trying to apply Earthman logic to the Beltwayvian mind.
Put up the bat! Well, I guess I’m glad he’s back in the game.
I hate to think where we would be today were it not for Howard Dean. Praise Genes.
Experience with “civil unions”? i would have thought he would point to his experience with health care, which he also passed in Vt. The civil unions legislation did pass, but it was at the end of Deans last term, and it wasnt wildly poular, actually, I was living in Vt. at the time and the consensus was the fallout from the civil unions bill resulted in the election of a republican govenor; his honor douglas the douche
Great interview, Lindsay. Thank you, Swopa.
This is an excellent point — that the bill will be BETTER if it isn’t watered down for 60 votes, and that the FASTER it’s implemented, the better it will be for America (and the Democratic party, as a bonus!)
Hey Dr. Dean. Serious question. How many ways can Harry Reid fumble and bumble to make sure that Joe Lieberman (who is with us on everything but the war) gets to cast his vote for big insurance?
Conrad and Nelson are the worst problems, i still dont believe they will vote to support a republican filibuter on THIER presidents signature domestic legislation, term 1. It would be political suicide, unless, as many of us supect, Obama is a secret enemy of the PO and is personally willing to kill it to protect his deals with big health care.I am one of those people, but i am not a very trusting type individual
“reality will always trump fear and anger.”
But sadly, lobbying money usually trumps reality. I suspect Obama’s already broached the reconciliation subject with his insurance industry overlords and was told “no.”
Caution: Merge Ahead.
It’s when Harry Reid merges Teddy Kennedy’s bill with the final Finance committee bill, with a little Kent Conrad Budget Committee soupcon thrown in for seasoning.
That’s when the sausage really gets made in the Senate. Remember the FISA disaster? That’s how Harry made it happen his way: by bringing his preferred bill to the floor, amending it requires 60 votes. If he brings HELP to the floor, amending it to strip Public Option would likely require 60 votes; alternatively, bringing MaxTax to the floor would require 60 votes to put IN Public Option.
I.e., fuckery deluxe.
I doubt that anyone who has lived through the Bush era will ever completely trust the gov’t again and that’s what’s so sad. We need to have at least some trust and Bush and Cheney have destroyed it all.
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so, when the republicans re-take the white house or majorities in one of the two houses, however long that will take, why can’t the just “reconcile” and eliminate or privitize whatever public option we produce with all this hard work?
it took reagan all of a few years to give almost all middle class assets to the wealthy, it took bush all of a few years to give the rest away
so what will protect us?
Don’t get why in God’s name they wouldn’t listen to this guy. He’s as big a reason as anyone the Dems are where they are w/ control of the WH and large majorities of both houses. Yet, idiot Rahm is the major player. what has Rahm ever done to warrant his job?
Wait…I lived through the Bush Years, and reality sure did not trump fear and anger then. I hope things are different now.
He sucks up to the big boys.
exactly. he wants the power so he aims to please the big money holders. he’s a stereotypical political grifter
Err, but I don’t think any of the Senate bills treats the public option as an extension of Medicare. If anyone can correct me, please do.
Speed is important. People will die from lack of healthcare while the
debateRepublican/Blue Dog stalling goes on.OK, you must realize that if the bill and option are passed with reconciliation, that there will be a ready made excuse for the GOP to alter or recind it by reconciliation at a later date should they get a majority. A simple majority will take it away instead of needing the 60 votes, and there will be no defense against it really.
And, as the tides always change (witness the huge majorities that swept in with Carter that 4 years later were a senate majority and GOP President.
Yeah, just like they rescinded Medicare after it passed? Once we get a public option, it is here to stay. People will buy into it, it’ll be popular, and it’ll be politically impossible to get rid of. Oh, and if we get a strong, robust public option that anyone can join, implemented next year, the Democrats won’t have to worry about not being the majority party for a long time to come.
Good point. Medicare is so popular now, the Republicans have to pretend that they are its strongest supporters. Once we get a real public option, Americans will never give it up.
The plain truth of this statement raises disturbing questions about the Democrats who stand in opposition to it. There is no way to oppose this in clean conscience yet they persist in vollying canard after canard to justify doing just that. I’m left to ponder the murky depths of what drives this sorry lot.
What does “for political reasons this needs to get done by 2010 mean?” I think that it means that the President and the Democratic party are willing to throw some of their members under the bus for this bill.
Please don’t insult the intelligence of the American people by calling it the “Public Option” the public does not control this option or will have no input into this option. It should be correctly called The Government Option.
Using reconciliation on the health care bill with exponentially create the divisiveness in this country. Millions of people who followed the political process now. The did not trust Bush and they do not trust Obama.