"I don’t want to put the resource question before the strategy question," Obama told King. "Because there is a natural inclination to say, if I get more, then I can do more. But right now, the question is, the first question is, are we doing the right thing? Are we pursuing the right strategy?"
Apparently General McChrystal and the Petraeus cabal aren’t willing to wait for their Commander in Chief to set the strategy. Prior to the President’s interviews, McChrystal’s people were already telling journalists that they were “impatient with Obama” as Nancy Youssef reported. This “Power Play,” as I mentioned last night included a veiled threat that McChrystal would resign if he didn’t get his way.
And sure enough, just hours after the Commander in Chief was on the airwaves, somehow McChrystal’s classified report hit the Washington Post … compliments of Bob Woodward no less.
Wow, what a coincidence!
Remember that members of Congress were only:
allowed to read copies of it in secure offices on Capitol Hill, but the lawmakers were not allowed to take notes.
The Pentagon Sunday night described the report as “a classified pre-decisional document” yet apparently assisted the McChrystal’s pressure play by “releas[ing] a declassified version of Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal’s assessment of the war in Afghanistan” to the WaPo and it can be read here.
McChrystal’s conclusion is described by Woodward:
Toward the end of his report, McChrystal revisits his central theme: "Failure to provide adequate resources also risks a longer conflict, greater casualties, higher overall costs, and ultimately, a critical loss of political support. Any of these risks, in turn, are likely to result in mission failure."
In other words, give me more troops or it will be your fault, Obama, that we lose the war.
The Woodward article is coupled with an analysis by Rajiv Chandrasekaran and Karen DeYoung describing the attempt by the military to “push Obama into a corner;”
with public statements such as those by Adm. Mike Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, that the situation in Afghanistan is "serious and deteriorating" and "probably needs more forces." One official questioned whether McChrystal had already gone beyond his writ with public statements describing the protection of the Afghan population as more important than killing Taliban fighters…
But Obama’s deliberative pace — he has held only one meeting of his top national security advisers to discuss McChrystal’s report so far — is a source of growing consternation within the military. "Either accept the assessment or correct it, or let’s have a discussion," one Pentagon official said. "Will you read it and tell us what you think?" Within the military, this official said, "there is a frustration. A significant frustration. A serious frustration."
And the pressure campaign was quickly picked up by the Wall Street Journal, quoting McChrystal as saying:
"The insurgency cannot defeat us militarily; but we can defeat ourselves," Gen. McChrystal wrote.
The New York Times follows suit:
“Failure to gain the initiative and reverse insurgent momentum in the near term (next 12 months) — while Afghan security capacity matures — risks an outcome where defeating the insurgency is no longer possible,” General McChrystal writes.
As Steve Hynd noted last night:
Here’s the thing – I don’t for a second believe McChrystal is acting alone, any more than General Odierno in Iraq was acting alone when he kicked up his heels earlier this year about US troops staying beyond the time alloted by the SOFA agreement. Both are too closely orbiting the career fortunes of their mutual commander. We may well be looking at the first moves in the Petraeus 2012 campaign as well as at the usual military/civilian rivalry.
We can hope that President Obama gets frustrated enough himself with this military claque centered around Petraeus to remind them who is Commander in Chief. Or maybe we should hope that Rahm decides the political threat is getting out of hand?



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Is it about time to take a page out of Harry Truman’s book?
Luv Woodward’s headline: next 12 months decisive. Heh. McChrystal requires 2 Freidman Units, not just one.
The timing of the leaked report is suspicious and i do believe the purpose of the leak is to force the president’s hand to escalate the war.
Where have we heard this song before?
Shorter McChrystal: My unit is bigger than your unit.
dya think?
I don’t have a unit. *g*
Avoid this quagmire at all costs
Set up Afghan security forces then get the hell out , there is no winning there
Pass the ammunition. Victory is just around the corner.
Out of Iraq and Afghanistan, NOW!
McChrystal is the war criminal who lied to Congress, the American public, and the Tillman family about the friendly fire death of Pat Tillman. McChrystal was a key person in the lie that tried to claim that Pat was killed by Taliban fighters rather than by his own fellow soldiers in a total clusterfuck operation.
Now McChrystal is being trusted with the failing/failed war in Afghanistan.
A little earlier I was puzzling over the same question as Pres. Obama, but then I saw a sharp and timely reminder of what our objective is supposed to be:
When someone really loses your trust, it’s just lost, isn’t it?
I would “pull a Truman”.
The fact that the report was leaked to Woodward looks so very, very bad for McChrystal.
Why is it so bad to use Woodward as the conduit?
I’ve just started reading the pdf, and parts of it are a stunning rebuke of McChrystal’s predecessors: McKiernan, Eikenberry (Obama’s choice as Ambassador to Afghanistan), etc., as well as the higher command staff and political leadership that directed the local commanders. McChrystal doesn’t name names, but how else can you read something like this (emphasis added):
pdf p. 6:
Yeah, the Toby Keith operational culture (”put a boot up their ass — it’s the American way”) hasn’t exactly done wonders now, has it? And it also look like booting translators out of the military because they are gay is like shooting yourself in the foot, when McChrystal says we need more of them.
Reading on . . .
pdf p. 7:
pdf. p. 9:
Kind of sounds like McChrystal thinks we may not have been doing the right things for at least a major chunk of the last eight years.
Damn. If only someone had said something earlier. Oh, wait . . .
Sooooo, one Woodward Unit = 2 Friedman Units
And people were afraid of the metric system.
We’re losing at least an average of one GI a day in this shithole. So at least 400 more combat casualties to fit McChrystal’s crystal ball.
Obama is so weak, he can’t handle the right wing nuts. How is he going to handle a military power play?
He’s looking a lot more like Jimmy Carter than like FDR to me.
Weakness is as weakness does, and it will be exploited, you can bet on that.
Does the military really write shit like that? It’s sooo sophomoric.
Little late now to change tactics, methinks. After we’ve shot the people to pieces for years they’ll now learn to love us cuz we’ll be targeting strictly Taliban with our new and improved Phoenix Program concept.
There should be people losing their security clearance over this. The data as to the ramifications of the recent fraudulent elections and alliances that Karzai has made with War lords/criminals is still being studied. McCrystal and his pentagon allie’s attempts to rush the process and the president is counterproductive.
Okay, I’ll take mission failure.
Off to swim in the great capitalist cesspool.
US KIA Irak: 4345
US KIA Afghanistan: 841
Be good to yourselves, and all other living things.
Namaste
“While the situation is serious, success is still achievable.”
OOOh, Oooh, there’s a light at the end of the tunnel?
learn a little history of the region before you commit more lives to a lost cause
there is no winning there
I agree. Don’t know who he’d replace McKrystal with, but I’d never, ever trust him again.
Isn’t he up for war crimes anyway???
Why do we have to “set up Afghan security forces”? According to an article at TomDispatch the so called Afghan Army that we have supposedly been building is a total farce. Why are we always spending money and lives on fraudulent B.S.?
http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175116
And where, mind you, does the U.S. find all these multilingual, culturally sensitive 18 year old U.S. troops? His memo is not even internally consistent.
Is that mission failure for $200 billion or mission failure for $1000 billion?
Yes, Juan Cole referenced that article. I thought: heh, the U.S. has been training the Taliban. But my next thought was: if that were true, the Taliban wouldn’t be so successful.
It infers a “carry-over” conduit of leak-policy via Woodward from the Bush administration.
And the “insta-declassified” leaking practice mentality of Cheney.
Woodward is no friend to Obama.
By the by, Siun, I love this slot for your Irak/Afghanistan posts. Love the Sunday nite slot as well. If we can stop these wars we can do a lot for our own country that doesn’t prop up the war industry.
Never. Give. Up.
Hearts and minds!
Or, just learn a little. I had a geography teacher once say that one of the reasons the Bay Of Pigs failed was that they didn’t look at maps to determine what the ground looked like where the dropped off a division and it was all swamp. That’s what I remember, anyway.
Thanks for the explanation.
Woodward has become a parasite addicted to access and wealth.
Except the Taliban knows not use Freidman Units in their training plans. They know that after one Freidman Unit it’s time to strike out on your own and leave the clown show behind. Plus in that first unit they learn all of the clown show’s secrets, such as they are.
And remember, this would not be the first time the WaPo was used, via leaks, to justify expanding a war. I wonder if Marcy will comment on this leak from her “leak” perspective?
The military brass’s sickness: the fallacy of sunk costs.
“It didn’t work. Give me more resources.”
And if you don’t I’ll blackmail you.
Or how Carter go snookered into a failed attack on Iran and LBJ himself went down the rabbithole on Vietnam.
It’s somewhat related to gambling addiction.
I wouldn’t buy a used car from him. Do we remember when he was on some show and told us he had some “bomb shell”, but he wasn’t going to divulge it. I don’t remember him ever dropping it. You’re correct. He’s a parasite.
The Taliban know a lot of stuff that the U.S. doesn’t know.
Cue John Oliver: http://www.thedailyshow.com/wa…..fghanistan
Thank you, Siun and Peterr.
pdf p. 7:
This is really scary…so what is implied to be unconventional warfare? Nuclear?
The right strategy?? Didn’t know we had one. Throw more troops against those formidable mountains that caused Alexander the Great to turn back, defeated the Brits and Russia? Sure doesn’t look like we have a strategy for getting out.
Did you hear that TDS won an Emmy for best variety show? Who knew that the best place to learn about politics could also be the most entertaining. I love John Oliver’s stuff. Really, all of the Daily’s Show’s folks.
Fantastic article. Best I’ve seen. Everyone should read it. Then keep it in mind when Obama, at some later date after he’s signed a version of the Baucus bill, feels he can afford to OK McChrystal’s escalation demands.
No — far from it.
McChrystal is pushing for more counterinsurgency — win the cooperation and support of the people, so they quit cooperating with the Taliban.
You don’t do that by busting down their doors with weapons aimed at their kids. You work with local leaders, respecting local customs, speaking (or at least trying to speak) the local languages, etc.
Not sure it will work, but that’s what he’s proposing. See Spencer for more.
Yeah, kind of like the US military in Afghanistan is the Semi Valley Police force strolling into South Central LA to take on the Crips.
I meant best place on tv. FDL is the other best place.
Yes, my youngest was watching and let me know when he won. I really enjoy Oliver too, but it’s a little disconcerting because I have a local friend who is the spitting image of Oliver and even has the identical accent.
See my 26. It’s a farce.
I didn’t even know it was on. Don’t watch much tv. A little news. Moyers. OMG, I’m turning into eCAHN as a pop culture ignorant.
(I mean that with love, you know.)
Wobbers. And Wapists! Wewease Woger!
I wouldn’t mention it so often if I weren’t proud of it.
Prisons are great recruiting centers.
Birds of a feather. Who else is going to support bookstores and publishing houses?
Oh, and eCAHN, your #26 made me remember one of the parts in Moore’s Farenheit 9/11. Really, Not all of them, mind you, but So Many of these young soldiers are not who I’d prefer. Born of parents who want their progeny to be fodder for the military industrial complex. And, that in itself explains alot. To me, anyway.
I could understand patriotism if there were a reason for it. When was the last time the U.S. military actually did somethat that was to the benefit of the U.S.?
So, any bets on who will be sworn in as prez on 1/20/13?
Fun W era gossip.
And McChrystal is so important because of what? I mean other than his ridiculous idea of his self importance. Send that war criminal packing. The sooner our kids are out of there the better.
There’s an answer to McChrystal stepping out of line and pissing on the shoes of his Commander-in-Chief.
Perhaps somebody starts looking more closely at Copper Green and Camp Nama, and McChrystal’s role in the same.
My thoughts exactly. The metrics of conflicts are measure in FUs
It doesn’t matter. The script is already writ. This is just the kabuki stuff to make it look real and provide cover.
e.p.u.’d moment: Stop! Stop! Stop, I say! Stop! Let us– let us pray. Yea, He cometh to us, like the seed to the grain.
Did you read Sen. Carl Levin’s remarks last week?
We’re not done.
Right on Rayne!
It’s just lovely that McChrystal has adopted the COINdinista’s theories at least for public consumption but I’m sure not about to forget what he did in Iraq and believe he’s some kind of grand humanist. From all I can see, the COIN mantras are merely a great way to try to sell permanent wars against brown people to voters who might otherwise support funding health care over warfare.
No problems here with the right wing military machine adding dollars onto our deficit, huh?
Perhaps if the US quit unilaterally funding a nuclear Israel in its illegal occupation of Palestine and quit supporting the most oppressive dictators in the SW Asian oil patch and overthrowing with force those who don’t toe the line, the US would not be such a target for terrorists.
That diplomatic approach would save money in the long run, not run up the deficit and leave enough cash to pay for quality health care.
This is the key point. You could see it already in Cordesman’s Afghanistan assessment of a few weeks ago. Superficially, what McChrystal is asking for makes sense. It would be good to have more people with greater knowledge of the country, its culture, its peoples, and its languages. But then the questions start popping up. Why after 8 years in Aghanistan do we still not have such people? Where can we get them now? Doesn’t all of this “how” to be in Afghanistan more “effectively” blow by the more important policy question of “Do we want or need to be there at all?”
Similar questions could be raised about the Afghan security forces. You are never going to turn them into standins for US forces. Most are illiterate. Many have a religious fundamentalist orientation not much different from the Taliban. How are you going to put together these forces in a country as ethnically and tribally divided as Afghanistan? How does working with warlords strengthen the central government? Doesn’t it delegitimize it in the eyes of the people?
We have no Afghanistan policy. And now from what I understand of the McChrystal report we have no strategy either.
You know, you talk a big game for someone who probably never thought about serving this country
reply to #17 How would you know? anything about the President. How long have you known him? to make that statment.
Wow. Great link there. Makes a great deal clear.
Hmmm…wartime info leaked to reporter, published in large newspaper…I guess this means I can expect the hard right wing attack dogs to start shouting “treason!” and demand imprisonment for the reporter(s) involved, amirite?
Nah, they only released a “declassified” version of the report. They learned from the school of “insta-declassify and leak.”
I wish to emphasize something I did in Siun’s posting yesterday, the weakness of the Afghan state. From the Woodward article:
The weakness of the state institutions is an argument against heavy U.S. involvement. It is like walking into quicksand, as the shifting alliances, the lack of cultural-societal traditions re strong central government, are precisely what drew the Soviets in deeper and deeper.
The U.S. cannot construct a state in Afghanistan, but that is what McChrystal is aiming to do… at the point of a bayonet, to use old-fashioned terminology. (Today, we might say, at the point of a Predator drone.)
LBJ listened to the predictions of his military and intelligence agencies in Southeast Asia, and found himself drawn into the fight for empire in that part of the world. The prospects for victory in Afghanistan are even bleaker. At best, the U.S. will have to maintain a ridiculously large garrison presence, well over 250,000 troops, simply to maintain the shaky and corrupt status quo. Along with the rest of U.S. military commitments, the resulting drain on the military and the economy as a whole will be significant.
Somewhere, Brehznev is laughing…
For anyone reading Levin’s statement, I’d highly recommend a read of Ann Jones TomDispatch piece which I linked in last night’s post.
(my bold)
And Putin is toasting his memory.
Those very weaknesses can be used to sink the US further.
What about making Afghanistan the 51st State.
Afghanistan is the graveyard of empires, and after Bush II managed to run the US empire off of a cliff economically, politically and militarily, Afghanistan will be the military and economic graveyard for the US empire.
The United States lies reduced to one big scam, with a tiny fraction siphoning off whatever productivity remains into its profitable but unproductive ventures, that at least that which has not been outsourced, and politics are reduced to a choice between red and blue which are all stand ins for the Green of Greed.,
That was a mission accomplished, w/ a triple tap to the forehead,for bush and cheney and the war mongers.
Another questionable general, constantly begging for more lives and money. Sound familiar?
I’ll back up Praedor on this one and I’ve got 3 years in the Mekong Delta. That good enough for ya? Oh, and don’t lay any of that “thank you for your service” bullshit on me.
Don’t frame this as poor innocent Obama vs. the big meanie generals. He’s running the show now and he has to make the decisions and take responsibility for them.
And that’s exactly how McChrystal has now framed this, putting his own Commander-in-Chief in a corner and giving him two options instead of consulting with CiC and giving him multiple options.
I’d be careful how you frame this, too.
Obama can perfectly well tell McChrystal or anyone else to go back to the drawing board if he doesn’t like the options he’s presented. I say again: The ultimate responsibility is his, not McChrystal’s or anyone else’s.
What, just more whining out of these Middle-East money magnets?? Bite me..
What a quote: “McChrystal’s people were already telling journalists that they were “impatient with Obama” as Nancy Youssef reported. This “Power Play,” as I mentioned last night included a veiled threat that McChrystal would resign if he didn’t get his way.”
Best solution: McChrystal gets FIRED.
Whiny and pushy generals and their money-sucking staff are replaceable on a moments notice. They can even be fired as we withdraw OUT OF THE MIDDLE-EAST…
” The Petraeus Cabal” by Siun.
Another in the continuing series of vampire fictions by this author. Suitable for teens-sophomores.
LOL
Speaking of sophomoric.
hey, Dragon. That’s why there are horse races. If you enjoy that kind of rhetorical excess served up from Siun, revel.
I’ve asked her repeatedly and have yet to see her come up with a single fact to back up her nonsense about Petraeus. All she’s ever been able to offer is Gareth Porter fantasy or allegations about other people that she can’t really link to Petraeus.