What a difference eight years makes. Take climate change . . .
As the Disgruntled Chemist noted in 2005:
That climate change is occurring and will continue to do so is not disputed within the scientific community, despite what a sizeable segment of the public thinks. Atmospheric CO2 levels are expected to reach at least double what they were in pre-industrial times within the coming century, up to 500 parts per million at least. Again, this is not disputed. There is a scientific consensus, as a survey of over 900 articles in peer-reviewed journals shows.
Nobody publishing in peer reviewed journals thinks that global climate change will have no effect, but what no one is sure of is how much world temperatures will go up. Different climate models predict different effects, and you can find a model that will give you whatever magnitude of temperature rise you want between about 1 and 10 ºC. In general, though, the most trusted models put the rise in global temperature between 1.5 ºC and 6.5 ºC over the next century, as reported by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).
So, that’s the problem. Despite what authors funded by oil companies and the Bush administration say, global warming is real and it is happening.
Horrors! What did the Bush Administration do between 2005 and 2007? The GAO looked into it in 2007, and they were not impressed:
After more than three years of study, the Government Accountability Office, an arm of Congress, harshly faulted the Bush administration for doing little to deal with the far-reaching effects of climate change rapidly taking place in national parks, forests, marine sanctuaries and other federal lands and waters — almost 30 percent of the United States.
The GAO said the Interior, Agriculture and Commerce departments have failed to give their resource managers the guidance and tools they need — computer models, temperature and precipitation data, climate projects and detailed inventories of plant and animal species — to cope with all the biological and physical effects from the warming.
"Without such guidance, their ability to address climate change and effectively manage resources is constrained," the report says.
[Full report here - pdf]
Horrors and more Horrors!!! And how did the Bush Administration react?
The White House disagreed.
*sigh*
But that was then.
Things have changed a bit, what with the new folks in town. Take this from last Monday at the Department of the Interior:
The secretarial order signed today at Interior’s command center establishes a framework through which Interior bureaus will coordinate climate change science and resource management strategies. Under the framework:
- A new Climate Change Response Council, led by the Secretary, Deputy Secretary and Counselor, will coordinate DOI’s response to the impacts of climate change within and among the Interior bureaus and will work to improve the sharing and communication of climate change impact science, including through www.data.gov;
- Eight DOI regional Climate Change Response Centers, serving Alaska, the Northeast, the Southeast, the Southwest, the Midwest, the West, Northwest, and Pacific regions – will synthesize existing climate change impact data and management strategies, help resource managers put them into action on the ground, and engage the public through education initiatives; and
- A network of Landscape Conservation Cooperatives will engage DOI and federal agencies, local and state partners, and the public to craft practical, landscape-level strategies for managing climate change impacts within the eight regions. The cooperatives will focus on impacts such as the effects of climate change on wildlife migration patterns, wildfire risk, drought, or invasive species that typically extend beyond the borders of any single National Wildlife Refuge, BLM unit, or National Park.
According to Katherine McIntire Peters at Gov Exec,
The order is an attempt to put science at the center of all planning related to department missions and to break down stovepipes created by agencies within the department, Salazar said at a briefing on Monday.
Think about that for a minute. If Salazar is just now trying to put science at the center of all planning, it kind of suggests that science has been somewhere else for the last eight years.
I think Jane nailed it in 2005: global warming will not be solved with more bikinis, iced tea, and freon. Too bad it took us four more years to get the political heads of government agencies on board with that.
(Photo by Dan Crosbie/Canadian Ice Service via Will Bunch at Attytood.)



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And I am unimpressed with the Kyoto-like Energy bill which the corporations are still gonna fight against. It’s 10 years too late for Kyoto.
Back when Poppy Bush was Ray-gunz VP, Doonesbury did the bit about how he had to put his principles in ‘blind trust’. Maybe that’s where science has been the last eight years, not wanting to be held accountable for all the BushCo years.
Rush Limbaugh. What else needs to be said. He made it his one true calling…to debunk the “myth” of global warming…and to send all his dittoheads out to save us from the libruls who are trying to make billions of dollars by creating climate change strategies. In fact, I’m outside right now…going up and down my street waving a butterfly net in which I’ve duct taped three pieces of window screen to make a mesh so tiny that it traps co2…and after I convince my neighbors that we should all do this every day….thereby saving the planet….and that they should each pay me ten thousand dollars for a net….I’ll be a very rich man.
When climate change shit finally hits the fan…which it’s doing right now though we’re too stupid to see it….I pray to my God….(Yaweigh…a Norwegian fitness instructor) that he goes straight to hell for creating the climate of denial of the climate we defiled.
I know more than a few government science-types who had been keeping their heads down for the last eight years. “Just let me do my job, please.”
This ought to be very good news for those at Interior.
Would someone explain to me why the rightwing denies global warming? I know that the corporations who pollute constantly have a vested interest in this subject but why do the fundies? Have never seen anything in the Bible about pollution being good. Where do they get the idea that saving the earth is a bad thing?
Doing something about global warming means spending more money, as in an energy tax, or passing along the cost of pollution rights. The fundies think god gave them cheap oil as part of their patrimony. (Of course, if you add in the cost of energy wars, then it’s not so cheap, but don’t bother the fundies with complicated reality.)
Kudos for EPA shutting down mountaintop removal permits too
I love that phrase, “put science at the center” — wow, that IS change.
Some of the TheoCons look at the story of creation in Genesis one and read words like “subdue” and “have dominion over” as license for humans to do whatever they want to the rest of creation. For the rightwing, everything is an argument about power. Not compassion, not mutual care, not preservation, not nurture, but power.
The image of a toddler taking off a diaper in the sandbox comes to mind. “It’s my sandbox, and if I want to use it like a litter box, I can do it because I AM IN CHARGE.”
Have to hand it to SOME religious leaders…they got ahead of this issue long before many others. Thank God. (or not…maybe thank a commonly held belief among those types that a certain bearded individual spent a few days out of his very busy existence to make us a nice planet…and that we shouldn’t screw up our little gift)
We’ve been here for only SIX THOUSAND YEARS!!!!….and if we leave right now….I bet we don’t get our security deposit back.
I love that phrase, too — but I wish it was a direct quote from Salazar rather than the reporter’s summary of his presser. I looked for a transcript or audio/video link to the briefing, but no luck.
DOI under Bush was all pro development and exploitation. It was only constrained by public interest lawsuits. As for climate change, right up to the end Bush had nutcase global warming deniers like Stephen Johnson at EPA and Jim Connaguhton at the Council of Environmental Quality in the White House. They fought any response, meaningful or not, every step of the way.
The problem is of course not just with dealing with the effects of climate change but also seeking to minimize and reverse the carbon loading we are doing. The cap and trade bill Obama supports and which seems to be going nowhere due once again to his lack of leadership would not have done this, another Obama hallmark.
It is hard to see how effective Interior policies can be developed in the absence of any real plan to control carbon emissions.
These look like promising steps. Another thing Salazar could do is re-hire the scientists, like me, who didn’t keep their heads down and were purged by Bush/Rove.
Unless something has changed since June mountaintop removal is still very much with us.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..03984.html
EPA halts mountaintop removal permits
http://www.alternet.org/enviro…..l_permits/
Changed about a week ago.
I don’t know your specialty, but there’s a bunch of openings . . .
Funny, when the global warming message wasn’t working you had to change the message to climate change..Sounds just like Health Care Reform to Health Insurance Reform..Like I will keep saying, when Al Gore gives up his private jet, SUV’s and 28,000 thousand square foot house I might start listening…Oh Yea, and when they put the windmill farm off the coast of the Kennedy Compound…You libs crack me up….
that’s because george, with his massive intellect, and dick, with his human rights activism, didn’t feel like they could devote the resources or the time to “think” about this pressing and certain problem.
it didn’t seem to be affecting their bottom line, at least for the next fiscal quarter.
When you going to tell Gore and Pelosi to give up those private jets?
If you live in a coastal city, it might be a good idea to learn to scuba dive – for food.
Thanks and also eCAHN, I will update my Obama scandals list to reflect this.
Gore makes millions off the BS he sells to you people….
Are we a little envious?
All hail the authoritarian. *spit*
Excuse me? That was snark, right? The last time I checked we’ve been around for a lot longer than 6000 years. Even the fertile crescent has verifiable cultures dating farther back than that.
Not at all, I don’t buy into his bullshit.
You trolls are pretty funny yourselves. If you note my #12, I use both global warming and climate change. Climate change was originally used by wingers to discredit the idea of global warming. Scientists began to take on the usage, not because they agreed with nutcases like you, but because they thought it better captured the notion of climate disruption that our use of carbon based fuels was producing. The two terms are fairly interchangeable in our discourse now. The overall trend is toward temperature increases but because of increased instability and volatility in the world’s climate there will be larger variance within the overall pattern.
Oh and Gore offsets his energy use to keep his carbon footprint zero. And Pelosi as 2nd in line of succession to the President is required to fly not in a private jet but a government supplied one for security reasons, just as Obama and Biden are.
In his documentary, the former Vice President calls on Americans to conserve energy by reducing electricity consumption at home.
The average household in America consumes 10,656 kilowatt-hours (kWh) per year, according to the Department of Energy. In 2006, Gore devoured nearly 221,000 kWh—more than 20 times the national average.
Just for you..I’m going to go outside and crank up my SUV…….and let it run for a few hours….
Yea ok, Al Gore offsets his carbon footprint, the way he looks his ass needs to park his SUV and start walking more….
What if it isn’t bs? What then? If we continue as we are it will be too late to stop it. We’re already having huge water shortages around the world. No water, nothing but dry land so no crops, etc. Starvation in many, if not most, places. And American won’t escape it. We’re talking global. Wake Up.
there’s a lot of that running around. exactly which flavor don’t you buy into? how can you tell them apart? explain yourself if you’re going to rant.
Oh, and it’s not “you people”, it’s “we”, that means all of us. even the ones with their head stuck in the sand – like if you can’t see it, it doesn’t exist. beach front property for sale in utah I hear.
Carbon Dioxide in the atmosphere has been rising due to use of fossil fuels, and encouraged by the fossil fools of the Oil and Coal industries. At 385ppm, it is a trace gas but it is a greenhouse gas as is methane increasing global temperatures. The issue is complex, but many other undesirable consequence are likely to occur. The oceans are getting more acidic. Damn Oil Company Overlords!
Like I said, it is Al Gore laughing all the way to the bank:
According to public disclosure information, Gore was worth somewhere between $1 million and $2 million in 2000. Not quite eight years later, Gore is estimated to be worth somewhere in the neighborhood of $100 million.
Thanks,
Biologist and NEPA. I have put in more than 50 federal job applications at and below my former grade (GS-12). And I have great performance evaluations. Despite some interviews, I have not had an offer. Afraid I’ve all but given up.
I will check these out. I was heartened that Salazar replaced the Commissioner that took my job away. For good measure they also summarily fired my wife, who was a temporary employee and enjoyed no civil service protections. She was well removed from what I did.
Bush-bots in government remain, and are ruthless.
what do you care what Al gore is doing? what are you doing? is this some kind of man-crush or something? enlighten us.
The money really gets to you, doesn’t it? He wrote books, etc. and he didn’t steal it. Republicans loot the treasury.
The head of AIGs derivatives division made 4 times that in less than half the time. He also helped bring the world economy to its knees. He lives in England, however, so nobody cares about him.
Stritz44 is uses neo-con tactics. Slander someone such as Al Gore, and ignore the real problem. The Oil and Coal criminals own these resources and want fossil fuels for the next 50 years to keep their investments profitable. But there is possibly a quite an easy and convenient solution. Put solar panels in roads. Then use solar energy and hydrogen fuel cells for power. Solar energy does not stink as gasoline and Striz do.
Ah the dimwittery of trolls. No arguments just blather. But what can we expect from fucking morons?
Re mountaintop permits, a whole list of 79 from the Army Corps of Engineers was considered likely to violate the Clean Water Act. These have not been rejected but put into an extended 60 day review. So we will have to stay tuned.
No man-crush, just think it is funny as hell he is making millions off this shit he sells you prgressives. Like I said, when he and the others him start living like they would like us to do then I might listen until then:
According to public disclosure information, Gore was worth somewhere between $1 million and $2 million in 2000. Not quite eight years later, Gore is estimated to be worth somewhere in the neighborhood of $100 million.
I tried to post the link in my previous comment but there was a problem with it. So I will try to give it again here.
Didn’t Al make some of his big time $$$ off the dirty old coal companies?
Hey, I have stock is those dirty oil companies..And when the windmills start to work then give me a call…
When Al moves into an energy efficient 3,000 sq ft home on a 1/3 acre lot, drives a Toyota Prius, and starts flying commercial airlines rather than in a private jet, I will worry about my energy consumption.
It seem there is another person who hates us almost as much as he hates himself. “Us progressives” may have to drive cars. But the progressives. did not have cocaine and sex parties with the “energy industry” at the Dept. of Interior. That is how neo-cons solved our dependence on Saudi Arabia Oil.
Stritz, we have a saying here. “LINKIES”. Where are yours?
I say we put some big ass oil rigs off the left coast and start drilling.oh that’s right not in my back yard…..
My, you do run on, don’t you. I’ve been cautioned not to feed the trolls, but you’re so easy…
The climate change message might come across better if they (Al Gore) Waxman and the rest of the liberals in congress wouldn’t try and sell their BS until they try to live the way they want us to do….
Again, we need some citations to prove that Al Gore is responsible for global warming. How do we know you are truthful if you have no proof. Oh, the neo-cons did tell us to attack Iraq because of weapons of mass destruction.
There was no proof of that either.
How does the neo-con brain work? Apparently it does not.
Last I heard Gore was driving the same kind of car as the Clinton’s, and Obama’s personal car, as well as several others – Ford Escape hybrid. I don’t know how Gore travels and I choose not to pull shit out of my ass like trolls.
Actually, Al Gore purchased 2 mercury mariner hybrids after he was catching hell for driving a lexus..and as far as air travel he uses a private jet and when not on the road he and his wife suck off of you in their 9,000 square foot home in Tenn, that burns more energy then 20 homes combined per year….
You people are strange. You got to admit.
Come on, we’re applauding Salazar for recognizing that climate change is a problem? That’s the least we can expect out of him. Science has regained some role at Interior, but is still not driving decision-making there. Better than Bush just means better than terrible.
Salazar delisted the wolves back in March over the objections of a lot of scientists. A bunch of groups have sued, but in the meantime Idaho and Montana have permitted wolf hunts. It doesn’t seem like Interior’s attitude toward oil and gas drilling on public lands has changed much.
We’ll see what decision Salazar makes on offshore drilling, particularly in the Arctic. That’ll show his true colors.