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	<title>Comments on: Hamsher on Maddow: Dear Arkansas Dems &#8211; Support Public Option or Be Primaried</title>
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		<title>By: vmuammar</title>
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		<dc:creator>vmuammar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 23:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think what we are going to have to do is replace Mike Ross, Blanche Lincoln and David Pryor. These three are sending out mailers to Arkansans asking us to campaign for Responsible Health Reform by going on there website &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.responsiblehealthreform.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.responsiblehealthreform.com&lt;/a&gt; I visited their website wanting to ask them to support the public option but there is only one choice there and it is to oppose public option. What about the rest of us, the ones who want the public option, they don’t even want to hear from us.They are not listening to me, maybe they will when election time rolls around.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what we are going to have to do is replace Mike Ross, Blanche Lincoln and David Pryor. These three are sending out mailers to Arkansans asking us to campaign for Responsible Health Reform by going on there website <a href="http://www.responsiblehealthreform.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.responsiblehealthreform.com</a> I visited their website wanting to ask them to support the public option but there is only one choice there and it is to oppose public option. What about the rest of us, the ones who want the public option, they don’t even want to hear from us.They are not listening to me, maybe they will when election time rolls around.</p>
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		<title>By: cheewizz</title>
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		<dc:creator>cheewizz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 22:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great piece on Rachel!  It’s about time someone (and from the south, no less!) light a fire under the conservadems — keep it up!  I’d never heard of this site before last night, but I’ll be a regular reader now.  Perhaps I can pick up some tips on how to get the message through to MY southern red state conservadem…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great piece on Rachel!  It’s about time someone (and from the south, no less!) light a fire under the conservadems — keep it up!  I’d never heard of this site before last night, but I’ll be a regular reader now.  Perhaps I can pick up some tips on how to get the message through to MY southern red state conservadem…</p>
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		<title>By: Italiangirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Italiangirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 20:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Soooo glad to hear that!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Soooo glad to hear that!</p>
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		<title>By: susaninCO</title>
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		<dc:creator>susaninCO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 19:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It seems to me that Ross and Lincoln, using Obama as their example, feel quite comfortable accepting corporate cash even though it means betraying the people who put them into office.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Remember, Obama cut lucrative deals with BigPharma and the med.ins complex this summer, and stiffing the people who elected him is at the heart of the cynical plan.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;While I am no fan of Rham, I think we need to keep in mind that he didn’t appoint himself chief of staff.  The people Obama chooses to keep close to him and the decisions he makes reveal who he is and what he cares about.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As I watch him, I am experiencing considerable cognitive dissonance.  The values he champions in his eloquent speeches are not realized in his actions.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Perhaps he should be challenged in a primary.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that Ross and Lincoln, using Obama as their example, feel quite comfortable accepting corporate cash even though it means betraying the people who put them into office.</p>
<p>Remember, Obama cut lucrative deals with BigPharma and the med.ins complex this summer, and stiffing the people who elected him is at the heart of the cynical plan.</p>
<p>While I am no fan of Rham, I think we need to keep in mind that he didn’t appoint himself chief of staff.  The people Obama chooses to keep close to him and the decisions he makes reveal who he is and what he cares about.  </p>
<p>As I watch him, I am experiencing considerable cognitive dissonance.  The values he champions in his eloquent speeches are not realized in his actions.</p>
<p>Perhaps he should be challenged in a primary.</p>
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		<title>By: letsgetitdone</title>
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		<dc:creator>letsgetitdone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 19:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In Jane’s replies to Rachel I began to see some targeting rules emerging for progressive action. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;– Find Blue Dog Democrats who aren’t voting like Democrats who represent States and Districts with relatively inexpensive media markets. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;– Determine whether they’re taking money from corporate interests.&lt;br /&gt;
– Determine whether, according to surveys, they are voting against the views of their constituents. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;– Assess the likelihood that they can be beaten in a Democratic primary. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;– Begin to run ads against them way before election time putting them on notice that if they don’t start representing their constituents they’re going to be primaried by a progessive Democrat in the next election.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I really like it!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Jane’s replies to Rachel I began to see some targeting rules emerging for progressive action. </p>
<p>– Find Blue Dog Democrats who aren’t voting like Democrats who represent States and Districts with relatively inexpensive media markets. </p>
<p>– Determine whether they’re taking money from corporate interests.<br />
– Determine whether, according to surveys, they are voting against the views of their constituents. </p>
<p>– Assess the likelihood that they can be beaten in a Democratic primary. </p>
<p>– Begin to run ads against them way before election time putting them on notice that if they don’t start representing their constituents they’re going to be primaried by a progessive Democrat in the next election.</p>
<p>I really like it!</p>
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		<title>By: letsgetitdone</title>
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		<dc:creator>letsgetitdone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 19:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;djfourmoney, I know you asked this question of Jane, but if I may I’d like to state my own view of it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think the insurance companies will fight legislation imposing heavy regulation every bit as hard as they will fight Medicare for All. So, from the point of view of someone who wants to bring overhead and profit costs in insurance down from roughly 30% to 2.5% over provider costs, there is no advantage of getting any less political resistance from them because we are proposing heavy regulation, rather than proposing Medicare for All, or a strong public option that will get us to that. Further, regulatory legislation is much more difficult for people to understand and get excited about than a bill like HR 676 which provides for enhanced Medicare for All.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Also, even if heavy regulation is passed, the industry will still have residual power that it will use to undermine regulation, and when the Republicans get in again, they will see to it that the grip of regulation on the industry is loosened. On the other hand, if we put the insurers out of the business, at least with respect to essential health care, their political influence will be largely gone and a great conservative influence in American Politics will be overcome. So, in my view, there is no advantage in trying to compromise with them even with heavy regulation as in the Swiss or Dutch models. For America, having them gone is the best solution to the problem.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>djfourmoney, I know you asked this question of Jane, but if I may I’d like to state my own view of it.</p>
<p>I think the insurance companies will fight legislation imposing heavy regulation every bit as hard as they will fight Medicare for All. So, from the point of view of someone who wants to bring overhead and profit costs in insurance down from roughly 30% to 2.5% over provider costs, there is no advantage of getting any less political resistance from them because we are proposing heavy regulation, rather than proposing Medicare for All, or a strong public option that will get us to that. Further, regulatory legislation is much more difficult for people to understand and get excited about than a bill like HR 676 which provides for enhanced Medicare for All.</p>
<p>Also, even if heavy regulation is passed, the industry will still have residual power that it will use to undermine regulation, and when the Republicans get in again, they will see to it that the grip of regulation on the industry is loosened. On the other hand, if we put the insurers out of the business, at least with respect to essential health care, their political influence will be largely gone and a great conservative influence in American Politics will be overcome. So, in my view, there is no advantage in trying to compromise with them even with heavy regulation as in the Swiss or Dutch models. For America, having them gone is the best solution to the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: letsgetitdone</title>
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		<dc:creator>letsgetitdone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 18:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;We will. Simply because we’ll believe that any promises they make to us at election time are just so much kabuki. If you don’t keep your promises when you get elected you can’t expect people to come out and vote for you next time. It’s elementary political logic. When will they ever learn?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We will. Simply because we’ll believe that any promises they make to us at election time are just so much kabuki. If you don’t keep your promises when you get elected you can’t expect people to come out and vote for you next time. It’s elementary political logic. When will they ever learn?</p>
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		<title>By: yellowdog jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>yellowdog jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 17:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jane rocks.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane rocks.</p>
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		<title>By: roxsteady</title>
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		<dc:creator>roxsteady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 17:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Nice work Jane! Rachel is the best because she lets you talk. We’re going to kick asses if these ladies have our backs! Now that’s what I call…BALLS!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice work Jane! Rachel is the best because she lets you talk. We’re going to kick asses if these ladies have our backs! Now that’s what I call…BALLS!</p>
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		<title>By: stritz44</title>
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		<dc:creator>stritz44</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 15:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;More then Ed and Keith?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More then Ed and Keith?</p>
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